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Joseph Addison
Oswald T. Allis
Thomas Aquinas
Karl Auberlen
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Albert Barnes
Karl Barth
G.K. Beale
Beasley-Murray
John Bengel
Wilhelm Bousset
John A. Broadus

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Vern Crisler
Thomas Dekker
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William Gilpin
W.B. Godbey
Ezra Gould
Hank Hanegraaff
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G.A. Henty
George Holford
Johann von Hug
William Hurte
J, F, and Brown
B.W. Johnson
John Jortin
Benjamin Keach
K.F. Keil
Henry Kett
Richard Knatchbull
Johann Lange

Cornelius Lapide
Nathaniel Lardner
Jean Le Clerc
Peter Leithart
Jack P. Lewis
Abiel Livermore
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Martin Luther

James MacDonald
James MacKnight
Dave MacPherson
Keith Mathison
Philip Mauro
Thomas Manton
Heinrich Meyer
J.D. Michaelis
Johann Neander
Sir Isaac Newton
Thomas Newton
Stafford North
Dr. John Owen
 Blaise Pascal
William W. Patton
Arthur Pink

Thomas Pyle
Maurus Rabanus
St. Remigius

Anne Rice
Kim Riddlebarger
J.C. Robertson
Edward Robinson
Andrew Sandlin
Johann Schabalie
Philip Schaff
Thomas Scott
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Daniel Smith
Dr. John Smith
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Noah Webster
John Wesley
B.F. Westcott
William Whiston
Herman Witsius
N.T. Wright

John Wycliffe
Richard Wynne
C.F.J. Zullig

MODERN PRETERISTS
(Major Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 or Revelation in Past)

Firmin Abauzit
Jay Adams
Luis Alcazar
Greg Bahnsen
Beausobre, L'Enfant
Jacques Bousset
John L. Bray
David Brewster
Dr. John Brown
Thomas Brown
Newcombe Cappe
David Chilton
Adam Clarke

Henry Cowles
Ephraim Currier
R.W. Dale
Gary DeMar
P.S. Desprez
Johann Eichhorn
Heneage Elsley
F.W. Farrar
Samuel Frost
Kenneth Gentry
Steve Gregg
Hugo Grotius
Francis X. Gumerlock
Henry Hammond
Hampden-Cook
Friedrich Hartwig
Adolph Hausrath
Thomas Hayne
J.G. Herder
Timothy Kenrick
J. Marcellus Kik
Samuel Lee
Peter Leithart
John Lightfoot
Benjamin Marshall
F.D. Maurice
Marion Morris
Ovid Need, Jr
Wm. Newcombe
N.A. Nisbett
Gary North
Randall Otto
Zachary Pearce
Andrew Perriman
Beilby Porteus
Ernst Renan
Gregory Sharpe
Fr. Spadafora
R.C. Sproul
Moses Stuart
Milton S. Terry
Herbert Thorndike
C. Vanderwaal
Foy Wallace
Israel P. Warren
Chas Wellbeloved
J.J. Wetstein
Richard Weymouth
Daniel Whitby
George Wilkins
E.P. Woodward
 

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(Virtually No Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 & Revelation in 1st C. - Types Only ; Also Included are "Higher Critics" Not Associated With Any Particular Eschatology)

Henry Alford
G.C. Berkower
Alan Patrick Boyd
John Bradford
Wm. Burkitt
George Caird
Conybeare/ Howson
John Crossan
John N. Darby
C.H. Dodd
E.B. Elliott
G.S. Faber
Jerry Falwell
Charles G. Finney
J.P. Green Sr.
Murray Harris
Thomas Ice

Benjamin Jowett
John N.D. Kelly

Hal Lindsey
John MacArthur
William Miller
Robert Mounce

Eduard Reuss

J.A.T. Robinson
George Rosenmuller
D.S. Russell
George Sandison
C.I. Scofield
Dr. John Smith

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Thomas Torrance
Jack/Rex VanImpe
John Walvoord

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The Bible is Mistaken

"It is probably true that the disciples thought of the three events (the destruction of the temple, the second coming, and the end of the age) as one event. But as was almost always the case, they were wrong."
(House and Ice, Dominion Theology, p. 271)

The Preterist Position & Infidels


See Also : Regressive Preterism : "If Preterism is not true, then the Bible is wrong."


"It is undeniable that Paul, with the whole of primitive Christianity, erred about the imminently expected parousia." (H.J. Schoeps, The Theology of the Apostle in the Light of Jewish Religious History, p. 46)

The above conclusion is totally unacceptable, though made by a highly respected man, and echoed by many others. This belief in the error of the doctrine of the writers of the New Testament renders the doctrine of Scripture inaccurate. Because there is no middle ground in this issue as, ultimately, there is no denying that the fulfillment of prophecy about "the end" was imminently expected, only two choices are available:

1. That which was expected and, consequently, written in the New Testament took place.
2. The doctrine of the Word of God are totally unreliable, and the Scriptures are rendered impotent.

Below are various quotations from men who, in fact, deem Scripture unreliable due to this perceived non-occurrence of prophecy.

 

VARIOUS SOURCES, BEGINNING WITH JUDAISM

3/1/4: Prophets and Prophecy - "Jesus specifically told his disciples that he would return within their lifetimes. "This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Paul also predicted that Jesus would return within their lifetimes.. So, we can see that Paul predicted an event that did not come about...  Moses taught us that this is how we know that people like Paul were false prophets."


Jewish view of failure of Christ's return - "Jesus did not come back "quickly," as promised, to judge mankind. The time has long past that one can claim Jesus will come back "quickly." Thus, what we have in Revelation 22:20 is a false prophecy." Jews for Judaism
 - "These various statements reveal that the myth of the "second coming" was explained in different ways as the interval following Jesus' death lengthened." Jews for Judaism
"Apparently, the early Christian community was convinced of the imminent return of Jesus, as the Messiah, and the inauguration of the kingdom of God. It never happened." Jews for Judaism
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"The expectation of Paul and the other New Testament authors was for the speedy arrival of the second coming in their generation. The use of "for yet a little while," "shortly," "the time is near," and "I am coming quickly" point to the utter failure of the predictions that Jesus was coming a second time to do what he did not accomplish the first time." Jews for Judaism
 
- "There was to be fulfillment within the lifetimes of certain individuals alive at the time Jesus made the promise and following upon certain cataclysmic events which were to be witnessed by that generation. These events never occurred and the time for their occurrence has long since passed." Jews for Judaism
 
- "The second epistle of Peter is a late attempt to explain away the obvious fact that the second coming did not arrive at its appointed time." Jews for Judaism
 - "It should be noted that these "tribulations" were not fulfilled in the events of the years 66-73 C.E., the period of the First Jewish-Roman War. Jesus' own statement shows that the culmination of the "tribulation period" was to see the parousia, the second coming of Jesus (Mark 13:26; Matthew 24:3, 30), which certainly did not occur during the war nor subsequently." Jews for Judaism

Max I. Dimont (1971)
"Like the Christians, who continually had to postpone Judgment Day because Jesus failed to keep his appointment for a second coming, so the Jews, from century to century, had to postpone the arrival date of their messiah by new calculation." (The Indestructible Jews, p. 174)

John P. Meier
"And he said to them, 'Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power [en dunamei]'."   - Mark 9:1 (Matthew 16:28 // Luke 9:27)

"(This saying was) most likely...produced by early Christians who sought to reassure themselves of Christ's coming in glory as the years passed by with no parousia in sight." (John P. Meier, A Marginal Jew - Rethinking the Historical Jesus, Vol. 2.)

Francis William Newman (1890)
"
2. The prophecies of the New Testament are not many. First, we have that of Jesus in Matt xxiv. concerning the destruction of Jerusalem. It is marvellously exact, down to the capture of the city and miserable enslavement of the population; but at this point it becomes clearly and hopelessly false: namely, it declares, that "_immediately after_ that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, &c. &c., and then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven, and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect," &c. This is a manifest description of the Great Day of Judgment: and the prophecy goes on to add: "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." When we thus find a prediction to break down suddenly in the middle, we have the well-known mark of its earlier part being written after the event: and it becomes unreasonable to doubt that the detailed annunciations of this 24th chapter of Matthew, were first composed _very soon after_ the war of Titus, and never came from the lips of Jesus at all. Next: we have the prophecies of the Apocalypse. Not one of these can be interpreted certainly of any human affairs, except one in the 17th chapter, which the writer himself has explained to apply to the emperors of Rome: and that is proved false by the event.--Farther, we have Paul's prophecies concerning the apostacy of the Christian Church. These are very striking, as they indicate his deep insight into the moral tendencies of the community in which he moved. They are high testimonies to the prophetic soul of Paul; and as such, I cannot have any desire to weaken their force. But there is nothing in them that can establish the theory of supernaturalism, in the face of his great mistake as to the speedy return of Christ from heaven." (Phases of Faith
Passages from the History of My Creed)

Rudolph Bultmann (1961)
"The mythical eschatology is untenable for the simple reason that the parousia of Christ never took place as the New Testament expected.. (Kerygma and Myth, p.5)

Nils Alstrup Dahl (1977)
"Today, nineteen hundred years later, we know that the future did not unfold as Paul had hoped and expected. His journey to Jerusalem with the collection he had gathered did not excite the envy of his compatriots in the way he had hoped. Israel has not accepted Christ, the parousia has not yet occurred." (Studies in Paul, p. 157)

House and Thomas Ice
"It is probably true that the disciples thought of the three events (the destruction of the temple, the second coming, and the end of the age) as one event. But as was almost always the case, they were wrong." (House and Ice, Dominion Theology, p. 271)

W. G. Kummell (1957)
"Therefore it is impossible to eliminate the concepts of time and with it the 'futurist' eschatology from the eschatological message of Jesus (and from the New Testament altogether);.. Jesus does not only proclaim in quite general terms the future coming of the Kingdom of God, but also its imminence. What is more: on the one hand he emphasized this so concretely that he limited it to the lifetime of his hearers' generation; yet on the other hand he only expected a part of them to live to experience this eschatological event; so he did not wish to limit its proximity too closely. It is perfectly clear that this prediction of Jesus was not realized and it is therefore impossible to assert that Jesus was not mistaken about this." (Promise and Fulfillment, p. 148, 149)

C.S. Lewis (1960)
"Say what you like," we shall be told, "the apocalyptic beliefs of the first Christians have been proved to be false. It is clear from the New Testament that they all expected the Second Coming in their own lifetime. And, worse still, they had a reason, and one which you will find very embarrassing. Their Master had told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their delusion. He said in so many words, 'this generation shall not pass till all these things be done.' And he was wrong. He clearly knew no more about the end of the world than anyone else."

It is certainly the most embarrassing verse in the Bible. Yet how teasing, also, that within fourteen words of it should come the statement "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." The one exhibition of error and the one confession of ignorance grow side by side....

The facts, then, are these: that Jesus professed himself (in some sense) ignorant, and within a moment showed that he really was so. To believe in the Incarnation, to believe that he is God, makes it hard to understand how he could be ignorant; but also makes it certain that, if he said he could be ignorant, then ignorant he could really be. For a God who can be ignorant is less baffling than a God who falsely professes ignorance. The answer of theologians is that the God-Man was omniscient as God, and ignorant as Man. This, no doubt, is true, though it cannot be imagined." (Essay "The World's Last Night" (1960), found in The Essential C.S. Lewis, p. 385)

Olshausen
"As regards the contents of the discourse, a great difficulty lies in its placing in apparent juxtaposition circumstances which, according to the history, are separated by wide intervals. Obvious descriptions of the approaching overthrow of Jerusalem and the Jewish polity are blended with no less evident representations of the second coming of the Lord to his kingdom. . . We do not hesitate to adopt the simple interpretation, and the only one consistent with the text, that Jesus did intend to represent his coming as contemporaneous with the destruction of Jerusalem and the overthrow of the Jewish polity." — Com.,vol. ii, pp. 221, 222.

The Pulpit Commentary (On 1 John 2:18)
"The last hour can only mean the last hour before the second coming of Christ. Nothing but the unwillingness of Christians to admit that an apostle, and especially the apostle St. john, could seem to be much in error about the nearness of the day of judgment, could have raised a question about language so plain.. But it may very reasonably and reverently be asked, What becomes of the inspiration of Scripture if an inspired writer tells the church that the end of the world is near, when it is not near? The question of inspiration must follow that of interpretation, not lead it. Let us patiently examine the facts, and then try to frame a theory of inspiration that will cover them; not first frame our theory, and then force the facts to agree with it."

H. J. Schoeps (1961)
"It is undeniable that Paul, with the whole of primitive Christianity, erred about the imminently expected parousia." (The Theology of the Apostle in the Light of Jewish Religious History, p. 46)

"the objective course of world history has belied New Testament eschatology." (ibid. p 46)

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Date:
08 Sep 2003
Time:
22:57:33

Comments

It is interesting to see what I used to be and would have become had not Jesus intervened, you who portray him as dead and in doing so have elevated yourselves above GOD. I see things years before they take place and when they occur in my presence I always thank Jesus for letting me know I am where he had intended me to be. Scoffing masons and wizards write from the heart of lucifer using big words, etc. to mock GOD or imply his son was a liar.


Date:
26 Sep 2003
Time:
14:41:15

Comments

According to the preterists the world has ended, the Second Coming has happened, and we're all right now, at this moment, judged and either in Heaven or Hell. Though I'm not sure whether its Heaven or Hell that I'm in, I would say, judging by all the junk on TV, it must be Hell! --Jeff Marchant

{Jesus' Kingdom is not of this world}


Date:
29 Nov 2003
Time:
08:43:14

Comments

Another logical possibility would be that the Second Coming actually did happen around 70 AD, concurrent with the destruction of the Temple and perhaps also related to the last stand at Massada and the great diaspora. Some might have "raptured", or something like that, leaving the rest and successor Christians (including contemporaries) "left behind". How would our fundamentalist "neighbors" like to be themselves dumped into that category? Obviously, they have missed SOMETHING! Was it THIS?


Date:
07 Feb 2004
Time:
19:21:54

Comments

Dear brothers, I am getting the idea that there is some misguided quoting going on here. Have the been taken in context and quoted truly? Please, for conscience sake, quote with the utmost integrity. Is there a reason for all this quoting? Why have these things been done? Is it for the glory of Christ or for your own ideas to be "proven"? Is this really what the Scriptures teach unmistakably? I think that some would make the Word of God do backflips for them and have it roll over and do tricks before they would bow the knee to Scripture. Who is the man that GOD reguards?..."the man who trembles at My word." Please be very careful in speaking so haughtily about your views, for we will all stand before Him one day and give an account of what we did for Him while on this earth. No matter what a preterist may do, they cannot deny that fact. Though we are forgiven in Christ, we are still accountable. The "Lord will return with ten-thousands of His saints" and He will reward the faithful and punish the wicked. These things are set in unbreakable stone and I believ that the Word of GOD is sure. There is not one dot that will go unfulfilled. Do you believe this? If not, you better check your theology. For the glory of His majesty! Travis: schm8150@lbc.edu

[The Word of God is the standard by which all doctrines and ideas are judged.]


Date:
09 Feb 2004
Time:
09:42:34

Comments

Hebrews 9:25-26 essentially states that CHRIST died once! Revelation ll:8-9 contradicts this!! (Walter C. Cambra)


Date:
26 Apr 2004
Time:
12:10:22

Comments

Walter, Your comment makes no sense. Rev. 11:8-9 speak of two witnesses being killed. They are killed where the Lord was killed , in Jerusalem, which the writer here is calling Sodom & Egypt in spiritual sense. The above article show the how much people have erred from biblical text from the time statements in order to make there doctrines work. Either everything happened as Jesus and the Apostles said or we can throw the book away! Bill K.


Date:
19 Aug 2004
Time:
04:26:30

Comments

'Soon' and 'quickly' are very difficult to estimate in a book which counts a day for a year and seven years for a week. Even in the early stages when God promised Abraham a son, it sounded as if the said son would appear fairly rapidly - but 20 years later God reaffirmed the promise and then Isaac was born - way past the last minute. It's quite difficult to understand a God who plays time like a concertina, and poor Abraham and Sarah were driven to all kinds of mental gymnastics and mistaken solutions. St Paul said these things were written as examples for us. It is quite reasonable to think that 2000 years is 'soon' for a God who has lived since before time began. Sometimes in the OT when a genealogy is listed it says, 'this is the generation of so-and-so...' so a generation can be verticle through time, not only horizontal. It has been suggested that the generation referred to is the Jewish people who have miraculously survived their disperssion. Never the less these suggestions don't seem to solve all the problems of the text, I admit. When Jesus comes back, no doubt he'll give us a few more clues.


Date:
16 Nov 2004
Time:
16:28:52

Comments

Jesus never said they would directly experience His return before their death, simply that there were those among them who would SEE it. John did (in a vision), and wrote about it in Revelation.


Date: 03 Nov 2005
Time: 03:59:50

Comments:

If we view this world of ours today as being the second of two worlds, much of the current confusion is cleared away. Almost all of the references to "world" in Scripture has to do with the Jewish world, which began with Abraham, lasted 42 generations, and ended about forty years after the time of Christ.

Did Christ return when He said He would? Yes He did. Many, however, insist that if He had, it would have been the glorious Second Coming, and the end of the world, which didn't yet happen. It <I>was,</I> however, the end of the Jewish world, not the end of our world. The unbelieving part of Israel perished in the war of AD70. The believing part escaped, and was scattered world-wide to propagate the Gospel. They were Christians, of course, so they could no longer identified as Jews. Did any Jews remain after all that chaos to continue the "Jewish race?" None whatsoever. Before all that, God had converted all Jews into Gentiles (Romans 11:32). There are no "Jews" today, except in the minds of people who don't understand the Scriptures. It's not as complicated at it may seem, and only requires a rudimentary knowledge of English, and simple common sense.

mac@tribulationhoax.com

 

 

 

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