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REVIEW OF JOE ORTIZ' THE END TIMES PASSOVER

Over the years I've had shelves of Bible prophecy books in my library. But there's a current prophecy book I obtained that's a far cry from the usual dime-a-dozen pop prophecy rewrites designed only to produce goose bumps in prophecy-oriented groupies who are often found on internet message boards and chat rooms.

The author of the unusual prophetic production, Joe Ortiz, chose "The End Times Passover" as the title of his monumental work dealing with Christian theology and especially various millennial and "rapture" doctrines. The word "passover" in his title is explained in the last sentence of the following paragraph on p. 117:

"Even more disconcerting is the pervasive and incessant promulgation of these left behind mythologies that permeate the Christian publishing and video markets of today, which are deluding millions of Christians into a false sense of security, motivated more so by profit and temporal fame. The author makes no apologies to these writers and preachers in regards to this matter. While there exists much love by the author for all those who claim to speak God's gospel truth about who is taken and who is left, claiming that those taken are Christians and those left behind are the heathen, it is inexcusable to persist in this folly when the word of God clearly states His children of promise are left (Gr. aphiemi, forgiven) alone, passed over, when He returns with great wrath!"

When one goes through Ortiz' scholarly masterpiece, he marvels at his tenacious task of taking original Greek NT words and translating them into English. If the reader wants light on the various "rapture" and millennial views, heaven, hell, Middle East, Israel, church, and almost every other topic bearing on the author's focus, "The End Times Passover" is the one book no one can afford to pass over!

Because of recently uncovered data that had been forgotten or covered up for more than a century, the Christian public now knows that the famous (or infamous) pretribulation rapturescape is actually only 178 years old, that John Darby (long credited wrongfully with either pretrib rapture origination or its basic development) wasn't original on any aspect of pretrib dispensationalism, and that pretrib rapturism since its birth in 1830 has been utterly riddled with dishonesty (rampant plagiarism, the subtle changing of primary documents, the deliberate cover-up of contexts in Biblical passages, the flaunting of non-existent or non-accredited academic degrees, etc.)!

While Ortiz' focus is only on the theology (and not history) of end time views, he does lament on p. 194 that "This great secret pre-tribulation "Rapture" scheme has gone on long enough. The development of theories to fit the needs of those who have yet to develop complete and total trust in God's promises is not only destructive to the growth and maturity of the Christian Church, it impedes the Spirit of God from working in and through his called out ones, the ecclesia of God, which needs to be used by God to bring as many more sinners to Jesus before greater tribulation than in past times comes upon mankind.

"Since the 1970's stunning new data has been surfacing about the pretribulation rapture's long-covered-up beginnings in the 1800's. In recent years several persons associated with Dallas Theological Seminary (which had long been pretribized) have reportedly gone to Britain to check on my research sources and then write books opposing my claims.  In 1990 an Ohio pastor told me that Dr. _____ _____, the most qualified DTS prof, traveled there and came back and wrote nothing! The pastor added that he and some others had a good laugh. But change was coming. " (Pre-Trib Rapture Die-hards)

Ruth Graham Letter to Dave MacPherson

Walvoord's Post-Trib "Varieties" Plus! | Who's who in prophecy

THE  RAPTURE  INDEX  (MAD  THEOLOGY !)

      First, let's explain "rapture" and then "index."

     Many Christian Right members in America believe in an imminent "rapture" (a coming of Christ that reportedly happens SEVEN YEARS BEFORE the famous Second Coming to earth).

     The "great tribulation" in the Bible is said to occur during those seven years. Therefore the rapture is viewed as a "pretribulation" event and reportedly gives believers the hope of being taken to heaven, without dying, and thus escaping the
traumatic seven-year period on earth.

     The "Index" (as in Todd Strandberg's "Rapture Index") lists 45 "precursors" (events on earth reportedly acting as signposts pointing to the rapture, and showing how close the rapture is).

     And here's where the mad theology comes in. The Rapture Index "precursors" (including "Antichrist") are on earth even AFTER the point in time for a "pretrib" rapture, are fulfilled DURING the seven-year tribulation period, and actually point to ONLY the (posttribulation) Second Coming to earth and not to any sort of "pretribulation" coming - a concept that NO church before 1830 ever taught!

     Promoters and merchandisers of pretrib rapture theology have claimed in recent years to have found a few individuals before 1830 who supposedly taught a "pretrib" rapture or coming - but none of those promoters has ever found any ORGANIZED CHURCH teaching or even hinting at such a doctrine before that date. If you will go to Google or other search engines and type in "Deceiving and Being Deceived" (one of my earliest internet articles), you will see how groundless the claims are for certain pre-1830 individuals that have been dredged up. Even if a few pre-1830 persons DID seem to teach a pretrib rapture, why would pretrib promoters want to side with them instead of siding with the 99 percent who obviously DID NOT embrace a pretrib rapture view?

     If you're interested in this subject, you can visit engines like Google, Yahoo, or MSN and type in "Pretrib Rapture Diehards" (the long-covered-up history of "pretrib" teaching), "Famous Rapture Watchers" (the only "rapture" view held by all churches before 1830), "Thomas Ice (Bloopers)" (the level of scholarship often seen in "pretrib" circles!), "Open Letter to Todd Strandberg," and "Appendix F: Thou Shalt Not Steal" (scandalous plagiarism in writings by Falwell, Dobson, Hindson, LaHaye, Ryrie etc.; such thievery has long characterized pretrib rapturists beginning with Darby (and his contemporaries), Seiss, and Bullinger in the 1800's and continuing with later members of the Christian Rewrite such as Lindsey, Unger, Jeremiah, Carlson, Tan, Missler, and Van Impe!).

     If you'd like to go even further in your research, you can obtain my 300-page book "The Rapture Plot" (my greatest collection of documentation on pretrib rapturism's bizarre 19th century development) by calling 800.643.4645.

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Date: 13 Oct 2006
Time: 06:20:07

Comments:

The futuristic interpretatio of scriptures is as much fiction as the series of Tim Lahaye's seies of Left Behind books. I believe that this approach to teaching the Book Revelation is more than fiction, even thugh the tearching of the raptre as the premillenials beleve is spelled out in this particular book. If one holds to the word of God and soes not add anything to the scriptures they will fall in line with the Preterists. Pasto Charles Donahue, Murrayville, Ga.

Date: 13 Nov 2006
Time: 08:16:40

Comments:

Study the Bible carefully concerning the rapture. Study the King James Bible, and don't change any words, or revise the meaning of any words. You will be surprised to find that the rapture occurred 2000 years ago. But it was only a rapture of the Jews. It happened about AD70. According to Revelation 20, the souls of Christ's disciples are in heaven at his time, in the New Jerusalem, ruling over the twelve tribes of the Old Testament saints.

C.P. "mac" machovsky

Date: 17 Dec 2006
Time: 23:08:16

Comments:

I really enjoy what you argue about the secret rapture and the "Left Behind Series." It was refreshing to hear someone besides myself, and a few others, expose that Jesuit constructed, pseudopigraphal based, Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs' Beliar myth system of intepretation. I myself have a web site at:www.prophetictoolchest.bravehost.com. My book is titled: PROPHETIC TOOL CHEST FOR DISMANTELING THE DISPENSATIONAL DELUSION. Though I am not a Preterist, we have much in common. Please continue the good work, I have posted your web site in my material.

Date: 18 Jan 2007
Time: 01:16:00

Comments:

I now have proof that Brethrenism arose out of the doctrine of Freemasonry.

J. N. Darby said;
"Supposing we were a body of Freemasons, and a person were excluded from one lodge by the rules of the order, and instead of looking to the lodge to review the case, if it was thought to be unjust, each other lodge were to receive him or not on their own independent authority, it is clear the unity of the Freemason system is gone. Each lodge is an independent body acting for itself. It is vain to allege a wrong done, and the lodge not being infallible; the competent authority of lodges, and the unity of the whole is at an end. The system is dissolved. There may be provision for such difficulties. All right if it be needed. But the proposed remedy is the mere pretension of the superiority of the recusant lodge, and a dissolution of Freemasonry." On this Mr. Darby further remarks, "The Church is not a voluntary system. It is not formed (or rather unformed) of a number of independent bodies, each acting for itself. It was never dreamed, whatever the remedy, that Antioch could let in Gen

Upper levels of Freemasonry worship SATAN directly.

Date: 28 Jan 2007
Time: 11:09:35

Comments:

You are correct. There is no pre-trib rapture. It is unbiblical.

Date: 07 Feb 2007
Time: 19:31:36

Comments:

Brother MacPherson,



Some years ago, I bought several copies of your book “Rapture?” from New Puritan Library with a final chapter by O. J. Graham. I have given all but y last copy to Christians with convincing success. Where can I buy copies today?



In His service,



G. L. Moison <scsn57@verizon.net>

Date: 09 Feb 2007
Time: 19:34:14

Comments:

Preterists have no future - sad but true.

I say this in light that 33% of the bible is prophetic. The Preterists problem is there dealing with TIME - and how TIME is used in the bible. AN Entire THEOLOGY which was destroyed once, 100 years ago, has surfaced again, and all based on TIME.
Well, wasting TIME debating TIME is something satan loves, so I will quit wasting my time in here with preterists, and let them live there wonderful life of "Just say NO to Biblical Prophecy, as it all happened already" LOL - and the beat goes on..........

Wayne
Futurist and Crown Winner of the Looking for Jesus to Call up His Church

Date: 09 Jun 2007
Time: 15:12:42

Comments:

I think that people have a desire to know about the rapture and other end of times events - as another reason to study & worship God. Sort of 'give me the reason to study' or 'what would happen if I don't study' The study & worship of God is not a subject you want to fail or.... look at the reults! Another thing to consider is that people have a fascination for horror stories, roller coasters and scary stories. What batter or scarier story is there than the rapture and other end time tales/prophesy
 

Date: 17 Nov 2007
Time: 23:10:27

Comments:

Hello, Mr. MacPherson

This is D.S. Farris. Sometime back I contacted you about my online book and congradulated you on your work in dealing with Dispensationalism. I wanted to inform you that PROPHETIC TOOL CHEST has relocated to a different web address. We are now at:www.hearingthetruth.org. If you want to link with us as you did before, that will be good; for we have links in our book to your web site: we direct all kinds of people to your web site. Have a good day, and keep up the good work.

Date: 01 Apr 2009
Time: 19:16:58

Your Comments:

The Bible doesn't support either view of pre-trib or post-trib (nor the lesser believed mid-trib) rapture. There is just as many arguing passages for both. But, there is nothing supporting any Christian being miraculously protected during the rapture. Dave MacPherson attacks certain Teologians for the exact same reason he uses to do so...SELL BOOKS. Whichever anyone believes, We should stop the focus on battling each other and focus instead on preparing those who won't be saved in either rapture. God Bless all who serve the Lord.

Date: 16 Jul 2009
Time: 17:10:21

Your Comments:

Thank you Mr. Dave MacPherson,
As a late starter in Christianity I was surprised when I was asked of my thoughts on different doctrines, one being the rapture. Admitting I didn’t knowing what the rapture was they proceeded to explain it to me. I had read and studied the bible about 15 years earlier, and couldn’t recall having the same view on the rendered verses. Upon further in-depth studying via internet, comparing all to His true word and praying I didn’t arrive at the same conclusion.
A bit dismayed I began placing my thoughts in an essay form in an attempt to ensemble the many piece of the puzzle. Reviewing their bible references 1 Corinthians 15:51-52, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17.… and others including added information from the web and different commentaries. Always trying to keep an open mind. I couldn’t associate any of it to a rapture, most referenced sleeping saints and those who endure to the end. I will admit the understanding of Matthew 24:40-41 still eludes me but one verse won’t change my views. Besides 2 Thessalonians 2:3 as far as I’m concerned locks it in adding the fact of Matthew 13:2-30 Jesus telling them to allow them together till the harvest which I believe correlates with Revelation 14:14.
My conviction on the rapture has brought trouble between my wife and her family along with having changed churches (easter celebration added issue) do to my occasional inquiries and periodic protests, along with a minimal dispersing of my essays for review on the subject. In my heart I was troubled and only asked them to review the information, as I have done many times since, without a single reply short of the usual “it‘s not what we believe“.
My wife’s sister refuses to even look at the papers claiming her church said it wasn’t of the bible. Compiling all my notes and essays I asked my wife to pass them to her sister so she could set up a meeting between us, her pastor, church offering adequate time for them to review and critique said information. Surprisingly they declined the offer refused to even review the information, leading me to believe they simply can’t.
I told my wife “It’s funny Christians will go to non-believers, strangers and attempt to convert them. But will not take the time, one believer to another who has ascertained a dissimilar view, nor will they take the time to debate it. Even if in the end we don’t agree, should we not act as Christians, agree to disagree, hug, with the love of Jesus, move on to our prim goal saving the un-saved. I said all that to say your name kept coming up in my research as did many others. Goggling most, yours was that re assurance I’m not totally wrong in my summations of the rapture. More convincing was your open letter and articles correcting the wrongs.(2 Timothy 3:14-4:5 comes to mind)
I have always felt if you believe it, put it in writing with your name on it. I thank you for being that beacon of light in these days of so many distorted beliefs and insatiable cravings for ear tickling.

Stevenhorney@yahoo.com

Steven H. Horney