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Ambrose
Ambrose, Pseudo
Andreas
Arethas
Aphrahat
Athanasius
Augustine
Barnabus
BarSerapion
Baruch, Pseudo
Bede
Chrysostom
Chrysostom, Pseudo
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Clement, Pseudo
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Matthew
Melito
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Apostle Paul
Apostle Peter
Maurus Rabanus
Remigius
"Solomon"
Severus
St. Symeon
Tertullian
Theophylact
Victorinus

HISTORICAL PRETERISM
(Minor Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 or Revelation in Past)

Joseph Addison
Oswald T. Allis
Thomas Aquinas
Karl Auberlen
Augustine
Albert Barnes
Karl Barth
G.K. Beale
Beasley-Murray
John Bengel
Wilhelm Bousset
John A. Broadus

David Brown
"Haddington Brown"
F.F. Bruce

Augustin Calmut
John Calvin
B.H. Carroll
Johannes Cocceius
Vern Crisler
Thomas Dekker
Wilhelm De Wette
Philip Doddridge
Isaak Dorner
Dutch Annotators
Alfred Edersheim
Jonathan Edwards

E.B. Elliott
Heinrich Ewald
Patrick Fairbairn
Js. Farquharson
A.R. Fausset
Robert Fleming
Hermann Gebhardt
Geneva Bible
Charles Homer Giblin
John Gill
William Gilpin
W.B. Godbey
Ezra Gould
Hank Hanegraaff
Hengstenberg
Matthew Henry
G.A. Henty
George Holford
Johann von Hug
William Hurte
J, F, and Brown
B.W. Johnson
John Jortin
Benjamin Keach
K.F. Keil
Henry Kett
Richard Knatchbull
Johann Lange

Cornelius Lapide
Nathaniel Lardner
Jean Le Clerc
Peter Leithart
Jack P. Lewis
Abiel Livermore
John Locke
Martin Luther

James MacDonald
James MacKnight
Dave MacPherson
Keith Mathison
Philip Mauro
Thomas Manton
Heinrich Meyer
J.D. Michaelis
Johann Neander
Sir Isaac Newton
Thomas Newton
Stafford North
Dr. John Owen
 Blaise Pascal
William W. Patton
Arthur Pink

Thomas Pyle
Maurus Rabanus
St. Remigius

Anne Rice
Kim Riddlebarger
J.C. Robertson
Edward Robinson
Andrew Sandlin
Johann Schabalie
Philip Schaff
Thomas Scott
C.J. Seraiah
Daniel Smith
Dr. John Smith
C.H. Spurgeon

Rudolph E. Stier
A.H. Strong
St. Symeon
Theophylact
Friedrich Tholuck
George Townsend
James Ussher
Wm. Warburton
Benjamin Warfield

Noah Webster
John Wesley
B.F. Westcott
William Whiston
Herman Witsius
N.T. Wright

John Wycliffe
Richard Wynne
C.F.J. Zullig

MODERN PRETERISTS
(Major Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 or Revelation in Past)

Firmin Abauzit
Jay Adams
Luis Alcazar
Greg Bahnsen
Beausobre, L'Enfant
Jacques Bousset
John L. Bray
David Brewster
Dr. John Brown
Thomas Brown
Newcombe Cappe
David Chilton
Adam Clarke

Henry Cowles
Ephraim Currier
R.W. Dale
Gary DeMar
P.S. Desprez
Johann Eichhorn
Heneage Elsley
F.W. Farrar
Samuel Frost
Kenneth Gentry
Steve Gregg
Hugo Grotius
Francis X. Gumerlock
Henry Hammond
Hampden-Cook
Friedrich Hartwig
Adolph Hausrath
Thomas Hayne
J.G. Herder
Timothy Kenrick
J. Marcellus Kik
Samuel Lee
Peter Leithart
John Lightfoot
Benjamin Marshall
F.D. Maurice
Marion Morris
Ovid Need, Jr
Wm. Newcombe
N.A. Nisbett
Gary North
Randall Otto
Zachary Pearce
Andrew Perriman
Beilby Porteus
Ernst Renan
Gregory Sharpe
Fr. Spadafora
R.C. Sproul
Moses Stuart
Milton S. Terry
Herbert Thorndike
C. Vanderwaal
Foy Wallace
Israel P. Warren
Chas Wellbeloved
J.J. Wetstein
Richard Weymouth
Daniel Whitby
George Wilkins
E.P. Woodward
 

FUTURISTS
(Virtually No Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 & Revelation in 1st C. - Types Only ; Also Included are "Higher Critics" Not Associated With Any Particular Eschatology)

Henry Alford
G.C. Berkower
Alan Patrick Boyd
John Bradford
Wm. Burkitt
George Caird
Conybeare/ Howson
John Crossan
John N. Darby
C.H. Dodd
E.B. Elliott
G.S. Faber
Jerry Falwell
Charles G. Finney
J.P. Green Sr.
Murray Harris
Thomas Ice

Benjamin Jowett
John N.D. Kelly

Hal Lindsey
John MacArthur
William Miller
Robert Mounce

Eduard Reuss

J.A.T. Robinson
George Rosenmuller
D.S. Russell
George Sandison
C.I. Scofield
Dr. John Smith

Norman Snaith
"Televangelists"
Thomas Torrance
Jack/Rex VanImpe
John Walvoord

Quakers : George Fox | Margaret Fell (Fox) | Isaac Penington


PRETERIST UNIVERSALISM | MODERN PRETERISM | PRETERIST IDEALISM

John MacArthur

“Most would agree there is a degree of symbolism in Matthew 24:29. Almost no one expects the stars to fall to earth literally. It’s possible, too, that the sun might not be extinguished literally; rather, the sun’s light could simply be partly or totally obscured from the earth…So I agree that wooden literalism is not necessary to get the right sense of Jesus’ words.” 

"The hyper-preterist error is exactly like that of Hymenaeus and Philetus, who “strayed from the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past . . .they overthrow the faith of some” (2 Tim. 2:18). The apostle Paul was not reluctant to speak plainly about the seriousness of such soul-destroying error. Nor should we be hesitant to point out the dangers posted by such a serious departure from biblical truth. It is, after all, heresy of the worst stripe to deny the bodily return of Christ, and this particular brand of that heresy is currently overthrowing the faith of many."  (quoted by Dennis Swanson, Reformation or Retrogression?)

"Worse, far too many Christians actually do break fellowship with other Christians who differ with them on speculative and secondary eschatological issues.  But our humility as we approach such mysterious eschatological matters ought to be accompanied by charity for others whose perspectives are different."
(The Second Coming, p. 21)

(The Significance of AD70)
"A more moral and a more religious America will not escape divine judgment, any more than Pharisaic Judaism in Jesus' time escaped the devastating judgment of God in 70 A.D. when hundreds of thousands of Jews were slaughtered by godless Romans. Jesus warned about that on several occasions. There is only one thing God blesses, just one. And that is He blesses saving faith in and love for His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. That's the only thing He blesses. Anybody who does not believe in and love the Lord Jesus Christ is among the cursed, right? Verse 38 He says: "Your house is being left to you desolate. Desolate." And He was looking ahead to the destruction in 70 A.D., as well as the profound spiritual judgment."

“Most would agree there is a degree of symbolism in Matthew 24:29. Almost no one expects the stars to fall to earth literally. It’s possible, too, that the sun might not be extinguished literally; rather, the sun’s light could simply be partly or totally obscured from the earth…So I agree that wooden literalism is not necessary to get the right sense of Jesus’ words.”  (End Times Controversy, Ibid., p 112)

"Herod the Great, one of Esau's descendants, tried to kill Jesus shortly after He was born. The Edomites were eventually wiped out during the conquest and destruction of Jerusalem that occurred in A.D. 70. Their extinction fulfilled Obadiah's longstanding prophecies that they would be "cut off forever" (verse 10/ and that "no survivor shall remain of the house of Esau (verse 18)." (Quick Reference to the Bible, p. 143)

(On Deuteronomy 28:68)
"but no one will buy you. Israel would be so abandoned by God that she would not even be able to sell herself into slavery. The curse of God would bring Israel into a seemingly hopeless condition (cf. Hos. 8:13; 9:3). The specific mention of Egypt could be symbolic for any lands where the Jews have been taken into bondage or sold as slaves. But it is true that after the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D.70., which was a judgment on the apostasy of Israel and their rejection and execution of the Messiah,, this prophecy is actually fulfilled. The Roman general Titus, who conquered Jerusalem and Israel, sent 17,000 adults Jews to Egypt."  (MacArthur Study Bible, p. 279)

(On Eschatology)
"My advice to budding systematic theologians is this: master the fundamental issues of soteriology, hamartiology, pneumatology, Christology, bibliology, theology proper, and other essential points of Christian doctrine before settling into such a dogmatic stance on the eschatological fine points." (The Second Coming: Signs of Christ's Return and the End of the Age, p. 20)


(On 1 Cor. 15:16-17)
"The apostle Paul seemed to have a theology very much like modern hyper-preterism in mind when he penned that verse."

"Since they already deny so many cardinal doctrines of Christianity, it is no wonder that hyper-preterists are often seen slipping even further into unorthodox ideas. To give one example, Ward Fenley (arguably hyper-preterism's most influential author) claims that Christ actually became a sinner on the cross." Quoting Fenley : "He was not made sin while He lived His life. Yet upon the cross He became every terrible and unholy thing we ever committed...."

"Walt Hibbard, founder of the mail-order Christian book service Great Christian Books (GCB), also embraced hyper-preterism and was aggressively peddling hyper-preterist literature in the front pages of his book catalogs before GCB went out of busines in early 1999."

"One of the works Hibbard was promoting most vigorously is hyper-preterism's main manifesto, Ward Fenley's 'The Second Coming of Jesus Christ Already Happened (Sacramento: Kingdom of Sovereign Grace, 1997)."

"Several large hyper-preterist Web sites are now promoting the view via the Internet....."

" According to them, it was a spiritual, not a bodily, resurrection--and it is the only resurrection that will ever occur.  Hyper-preterists have thus given up any hope of a literal, bodily resurrection of the saints."

"Real salvation is not only justification. It cannot be isolated from regeneration, sanctification and, ultimately, glorification. Salvation is an ongoing process as much as it is a past event. It is the work of God through which we are "conformed to the image of His Son" (Romans 8:29, cf. Romans 13:11). Genuine assurance comes from seeing the Holy Spirit’s transforming work in one’s life, not from clinging to the memory of some experience." (The Gospel According to Jesus, p. 23).

"This view is known as "preterism." But it is a serious error. The preterist interpreter has to read into these passages allegorical meanings that don't fit normal exegetical study methods." (MacArthur's Quick Reference Guide To The Bible, p. 181)

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Date:

18 Sep 2003

Time:

05:22:06

Comments

I respect Dr. M as a gifted teacher in a lot of areas, but his views with regard to the church and Israel, Dispensationalism and now this (his comments about preterists), has finally made me relize that Dr. M in a lot of areas DOES NOT FAITHFULLY DO HIS HOMEWORK. He is misrepresenting preterists at almost every "period". If his view is so biblical, why does he need to lie about what preterists believe. Either he is lying, or he is completely ignorant of what they actually believe, and should probably remember "let not many of you be teachers.... JD


Date:

30 Sep 2003

Time:

19:22:21

Comments

I used to be a listener of John MacArthur when I was a new Christian starting in 1983. From 1990 to 1993, I studied the claims of realized eschatology causing me to see the scripture and its meaning in a new vibrant light The more I studied, the more I came to question some of the teachings of John MacArthur. I now no longer listen to him as I believe a futurist eschatology is not in keeping with biblical truth. Jim Nicolosi Knoxville, TN


Date:

17 Oct 2003

Time:

13:23:55

Comments

I really am glad for the teachings of John MacArthur. But seriously, if in truth his claims are correct, of which I am researching myself, then there is a distinct possibility that those teachings are outside the pale of Christian othodoxy. Because I do not believe that the Bible refers to a "secret second coming". Everyone will know because the day of judgment will be at hand. If what he says is not true then I'm sure he will rectify his mistake because he has a history of writing contractions if he has found himself to be in the wrong doctrinally. If preterism is not outside the pale of othodoxy then there really is no need to bash each other because eschatology is really a peripheral issue in Christianity, one that we can "vigorously debate over but not divide over". In other words, let's not major on the minors. I think that instead of secretly writing things against him, why don't the proponents of this view go to him and dialogue? There needs to be communication if the truth is seriously being sought after. ALM


Date:

22 Oct 2003

Time:

12:18:29

Comments

Also hat Gott die an Welt geliebt, daB er seinen eingeborenSohn gab, gab, auf daB alle, die an ihn glauben, nicht verloren werden, sondern das ewige Leben haben.


Date:

01 Jan 2004

Time:

07:46:31

Comments

John MacArthur adds much to the study of the Word of God. He is undoubtedlty a leader in modern theological study. Growing up Catholic gave me an appreciation for the facts (IN) life. There are those things that will not vary. Finding all of them is not certain, that they exist is. The Gospel in it's very simplest form and basic light is understood by children. Adults simply confuse the obvious with intellect/pride. In the timeline of eternity we are but a single dot. If that perspective be remembered, few big issues are worth a discussion. Jesus died for you and me. You must know Him personally. Study His word to know Him better. Knowing His word is not knowing Him. The more complicated the message the more who will miss it. Tim Schmitz


Date:

14 Jan 2004

Time:

10:49:59

Comments

I have been a christian for many years and have not even heard of preterism until today. I have been studying the bible for a long time and have always understood that the bible taught Christ's return in the future. This is my hope and, I'm sure, the hope of all believers. If christ already returned where does that leave us. What are we hoping for? We know satan will try his best to steer us away from the truth and it looks to me like this is another false teaching (among many) designed to mislead. I have great respect for Dr. John MacArthur and his desire that we put our trust in the Word of God and not in the teachings of men.


Date:

14 Jan 2004

Time:

17:12:17

Comments

I have great respect for John M,but,Futurism, if followed through overthrows the Gospel itself. Christ was about to become a high pries(Heb.9:11) In yet a little while,He will come, will not delay (Heb.10:37) With the dissapearing of the old coven- ant(Heb.8:13) which included the old tabernacle(Heb 9:8),His appearing out of the Holy Places tookplace and He became our"High Priest". To postpone this e- vent renders us without a high priest. The fault of the futurist is: ignorance--misunderstanding--and inconsistancy, nevertheless, postponement of this event is a serious error---not only what it in evitably creates, thatis-enemies of the Church-lib- erals-atheist-wrongful foreign polcy with Israel Without a doubt, it is high time to awake from the destructive slumber of futurism. God is always re- forming His church. May He reform us in our escha- tology so that we will defeat the liberals within and refute the atheist without,therefore, reigning and ruling with Christ in building up His kingdom here on earth. tony@transformationthisgeneration. com.


Date:

07 Feb 2004

Time:

18:53:57

Comments

I would like someone to explain preterism better, since JM supposedly sees it so wrongly. If he is wrong about it, then please explain where. It seems to me that preterism is just another idea like the Sadduces of Jesus' time held. They rejected the idea of a bodily ressurection and Christ rebuked them for it, how are the modern day preterists any different? I do not respect and love JM because of who he is, but because of what he preaches. If he were to begin preaching false doctrine I would be the first to rebuke him about it, but I don't think that attacking the person makes the message any more wrong or right. Let's go for the jugular vein of the discussion at hand and see what is being said about it, not who is saying it. So once again I challenge anyone to show me where his view of preterism is wrong, and I will be glad to listen as a brother in Christ. We are here for each other's edification, not debate. If we can come to a clearer understanding of eschatology and have more hope in GOD because of it, then it is worth the work. Keep your minds centered on Christ, He is the only One we should delight in for our everlasting joy! Travis: schm8150@lbc.edu


Date:

02 Mar 2004

Time:

19:01:36

Comments

This entire web site is full of treatments on preterism. I am not in a position to make a full arguement as I am learning much of this myself. However, the basic understanding of preterism gained by looking over sites like this one and reading a few books on the subject provide at least enough information to belittle the sophomoric treatment given it by JM. If you have not read that book yet, and you are interested in his opinions, then read it. In my opinion, it is poorly written, he imports preconceived notions and doctrine when he needs them in one area, makes assumptions in another and declares other things as "obvious" or "clear" without giving a very scholarly treatment of them. Now then, I have much respect for JM in many things. I lived across the street from Masters and spent alot of time with JM and other Master's profs and students. I am very familiar with him and his ministry. I appreciate his work for the most part. However, this book is more of a timely basic treatment for his loyal readers than it is a scholarly work worthy of much weight in the debate.


Date:

08 Mar 2004

Time:

20:09:48

Comments

Please explain Acts 6:8-15


Date:

10 May 2004

Time:

09:52:37

Comments

John MacArthur is a courageous stalwart and defender of the TRUTH of God's Word. I can only pray that many more like him will be multiplied for ages to come, should Christ tarry in His return. Thanks, Pastor MacArthur, for standing for God and His word!!!! a pastor in indiana....


Date:

31 May 2004

Time:

14:44:18

Comments

ALL PRAISE BE TO GOD, THE LORD OF THE WORLDS! YA'BAHA!


Date:

16 Aug 2004

Time:

07:36:38

Comments

Hi, My name is James Ong. I am from Singapore. I have read several sermons of John F. MacArthur, Jr. They are very good, with many verses, supporting his arguments or points made. I hope to continue reading his sermons and that they will be continually posted on the Internet. My thanks to God for leading me to his sermons. Best regards, James Ong 16 August 2004


Date:

16 Dec 2004

Time:

21:07:15

Comments

Where is the grace to you??????? DENNIS SWANNER


Date:

17 Dec 2004

Time:

15:37:20

Comments

MacArthur ought to be commended for his work with "Lordship" salvation and the rebuttal of the modern seeker sensitive church. However, I believe he has seriously failed to research what he is talking in regard to eschatological views. mike


Date:

28 Dec 2004

Time:

21:56:55

Comments

It never ceases to amaze me how just about everybody I ever read who criticize Preterism never deal with the numerous, manifestly clear time statements in Scripture regarding the time of The Lord's second coming. It's clear! Jesus and His disciples ALL taught the second coming as being within their time frame! Instead all these critics of Preterism deal in name-calling, threats, etc., rather than the issue. The more they do this, the more they prove Preterist are correct and they are just barking at the truth!


Date: 01 Sep 2005
Time: 11:01:47

Comments:

It seems to me that Pre-Terists are guilty of looking at prophecy through humanistic eyes,rather than eyes that are able to see with an eternal perspective,clearly Jesus and His Apostles were seeing these things from the standpoint of eternity and not necessarily from the limited view their earthly lives provided.
All of us;both, saved and un-saved, are eternal creatures,and even if the Lord should tarry another 10,000 years, one day in the future kingdom it will seem as though He only left the room for a moment and "immediately" returned.After all isn't "immediately" a relative term?
John Baker, Portland Oregon


Date: 08 Jan 2006
Time: 22:25:23

Comments:

"Wisdom is in the sigt of him who has understanding, But the eyes of a fool are on the ends of the earth." (Pr 17:24)
Lets be careful about how far we take this.


Date: 19 Feb 2006
Time: 22:19:59

Comments:

First you kiss his back-side and then you Judas kiss him....shame.So many posts sound like cafeteria style christianity (small c intended). Lines come to mind of itching ears and growing wiser yet not coming to the truth.Forgive me if I presume,but I expect most of those who posted here (pro) believe in a limited god (again small g intended) who took millions of years to create the earth.J Vernon McGee thought that it might have been longer than 6 days: but we love him anyway too!

You may serve a cryptic god whose glory has flickered and waned.....poor helpless old man in a rocking chair. I prefer a God who has and will come.He is not a God far away..as I recall Old Testamant prophets were required to speak into current conditions before he was trusted in future matters
"When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken, but the prophet has spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."De 18:22 We have many prophets today in all camps who are followed because they have charisma and entertain those itching ears.


You have every right to speculate but the bottom line to this whole debate is that if you truly call Him "Master" then the whole question is piontless....just more "doubtful disputations"Bad,bad,bad,now go read "Why Revival Tarries" by Leonard Ravenhill :)


Date: 07 Jun 2007
Time: 18:33:55

Comments:

I think John MacArthur is a great man of God. He stands up for the Lord when alot of other so called Christians will not, (watch when he goes on Larry King Live to show this). I think that this eschatological differences should not come in between Christian fellowship between two Christians. If the two are truly saved By Christ by grace through faith alone, then they have Christ in common. I am talking about individuals not churches of course. A church should stand firm ln the Word Of God, and not compromise It at all, and they should have a clear and rigid doctinal statement to this affect. I go to a Reformed church, and I think there is truth in partial preterism, and that it is Biblical. If you are A-mill, or Post-mill then you have to be at least a partial preterist. Anyway, I really like MacArthur, and watch and read his books. I disagree with his works on Revelation, but find succor in his other works. NB sorry for sp


Date: 16 Aug 2007
Time: 19:19:58

Comments:

I think John MacArthur is a great Bible scholar, but even great Bible scholars can misinterpret scripture. However I don't believe this is the case when it comes to the second coming of Christ.

There is no doubt in my mind that the second coming is a physical one not a spiritual one, for as He left visabily in the clouds he will return in same manner. So my first question is when did christ return in the clouds and when did every eye see Him? Surely such an event would have been written about by 'someone' a church father perhaps from that time period.

And second:

Matt 24:30 "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory."

"Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who shall not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom" (Matthew 16:28, Mark 9:1, Luke 9:27).

Where is this Kingdom?

 


Date: 17 Dec 2007
Time: 20:19:38

Comments:

John McArthur is of the Reformed Faith and believes that God chooses some for Salvation and chooses others for damnation."How can a person who is dead in sin,blinded by Satan, and continually filled with evil suddenly exercise saving faith?? A corpse could no sooner come out of a grave and walk."(John Mcarthur Jr. Saved Without A Doubt)


Date: 24 Mar 2009
Time: 12:26:05

Your Comments:

I have done a bit of studying on the Preterist views and have found that the preterist viewpoint was first documented in a book that was written by a jesuit named Luis Alcazar around 1592. Now, when I read the listing of names of those who were in the Historical preterist listing, I have strong reservations of calling them preterists. A preterist is one who believes that Revelation has been fulfilled to the last letter, culminating in the destruction of the temple in A.D. 70. These men were not preterists.


Date: 30 Mar 2009
Time: 14:58:26

Your Comments:

The preterist viewpoint, as stated on their website, says that Satan is no longer around, and that the new earth and new heaven are here. I find that really hard to believe considering the manifestations of evil found today -- manifestations that cannot be explained by basic "sin nature" (exorcisms, levatations, etc.). Also, the preterists contradict themselves when they try to defend their viewpoit on "original sin" they say that we are not born with the knowledge of sin, but then when they try and defend their explanation of evil in the world they say that from birth we do have a knowledge of sin. I'm still reading on the topic, but so far this looks to be way off from scripture.


Date: 13 May 2009
Time: 18:22:00

Your Comments:

I contend that the Preterists have to throw out the Book of Daniel as well as the Revelation, and practicaly every prophetic Scripture in order to hold a view that Christ has already returned and is now reigning on the earth (Daniel 7:9-14. His coming will not be a secret or unobserved phenomenon!)


Date: 29 Jun 2009
Time: 09:07:15

Your Comments:

I applaud any work against the pre-trib doctrine, but I do not think you can do the same against the post-trib doctrines. I would challenge you to find holes in my book which is a new interpretation of Daniel and Revelation. I suspect it will be like the guy who traveled to Britain and wrote nothing. You can find most of it for free here: www.theapproachingapocalypse.com. By the way, what do you think of the Thomas Ice article on Rapture Ready web site which shows that you misunderstand the teaching of the woman you claim was the start of the pre-trib doctrine, when she was actually teaching a post trib doctrine? I saw that when I read the book myself.


Date: 12 Jan 2010
Time: 20:37:34

Your Comments:

There are too many types of preterist to be able to catalog all their doctrines and profer them as THE preterist position, so that whatever is thrown a person by the preterist, must be answered in HIS context, were there a perversion of the Bible suspected. There seems to be in a discussion of Matthew 24's reference to "this generation" that sets it apart from ALL the other "this generation" that Jesus calls evil and adulterous, and contemperaneous with Him, and of which there shall be no sign given but that of the Prophet Jonah. It is the simple observation that Jesus, in Matthew and Luke and Mark was asked by the Jews to show them a SIGN FROM HEAVEN, and Jesus says such are not going to be given a sign...and according to the context, a "sign from heaven." We do, by the way, believe in contexts. For the Preterist and the dispensationalist, in that this is indeed a generation of about forty years, perhaps of the 360 day year of that found during the Exodus, a generation that INDEED ends in the destruction of the temple in 70 AD, of that generation ONLY liable for the unpardenable sin, in that the marvelous sign gifts to the Jews through the Holy Spirit bore witness of Jesus words, and those of the Apostles after that until 70 AD when such signs stopped (Micah 7:15, John 5:20, 1 Corinthians 13:8-13), there CAN BE NO SIGN FROM HEAVEN FOR THAT GENERATION...so don't be looking for such a thing during that generation. However, in the "this generation" that began after the rapture when the Holy Spirit's work in the visible churches has stopped and during that last seven years, Israel the nation, is significant, and the rewards of Matthew 25 of the individual gentile saints who made it to the end to Christ's coming, will be for their attention, even ignorantly, to the elect that Jesus calls "the least of one of these my brethren," one third of the converted Israelies surviving also to the end, WILL WITNESS SIGNS FROM HEAVEN, JESUS IN HIS COMING BEING THE CHIEF SIGN FROM HEAVEN, as opposed to the resurrecti!
on sign given to the "this generation" of the time of Jesus life and crucifixion. The generation theme, the Hallmark argument of the Preterist of whatever stripe, and I am not sure of which portion of them uses it, can be shown to defeat their contention that Jesus MUST HAVE APPEARED, even as a sign, at the time of the destruction of the temple and city in 70 AD. Try the literary literal interpretation, the type that understands the usage of types, allegory and other symbolisms that are based in the law of two or three witnesses that establishes a matter found in two corollaries, one being that in the mouth of one witness shall no man be put to death, or as Jesus says, "if I bear witness of myself my testimony is not true," or of Papa Peter, doing commentary on Paul's writings, and giving amen to those writings, says in 2 Peter 1:20 in this better translation, "Knowing this first that every prophesy of scripture is NOT OF ITS OWN interpretation." by Stephen Ray Hale from Midland, Texas


 


Date: 18 Dec 2009
Time: 23:53:01

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Interesting blog and comments for sure. Speaking of MacPherson, his Google article "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty" is simply shocking. And he has a recent one titled "Edward Irving is Unnerving" which explains why he now believes that Irving should have been honored at the "father of dispensationalism."
Karl


Date: 04 Sep 2010
Time: 21:10:46

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TO be a consistent Calvinist would mean that you would be premill. God elected Israel, and He elected men to salvation. If Israel forfitted their future, then they did it on their own and that is an Arminian view. We must interpret God's Word in a normal literal sense all of the time, alowing for figures of speach.
 


Date: 25 Nov 2010
Time: 10:35:12

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John MacArthur once had a popular sermon about the Roman Empire and the likeness to the United States of America. He mentions that Rome fell from within because of all the sin in the lives of the Roman Empire. I must agree sin is the problem with everything in the world but there is one big difference between ancient Rome and the United States. This country was found on Christianity. Even though there was a faction of Christians in Rome, they had no control over the government. That is the direction we are headed now as the Muslims and outside influence pushes out Christ from our country.


 

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