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CONSTANTINE THE GREAT.. PRETERIST

"This remarkable event (the Edict of Milan) was regarded by Christians of that time, and by Constantine himself, as the fulfillment of the very prophecy before us. (Revelation 20:2)"

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SOME DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES OF SYSTEMATIZED HYPER PRETERISM

It is important to keep in mind that many ideas and doctrines full preterism appeals to - such as the complete end of the Old Covenant world in AD70 - are by no means distinctive to that view.   Many non HyPs believe this as well, so one need not embrace the Hyper Preterist system in order to endorse this view.   Following are exceptional doctrines which, so far as I've seen, are only taught by adherents of Hyper Preterism.:

DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES TAUGHT BY STANDARD FULL PRETERISM

  • All Bible Prophecy was Fulfilled By AD70

  • Atonement Incomplete at Cross ; Complete at AD70

  • The Supernatural Power of Evil Ended in AD70

  • The Spirit of Antichrist was Destroyed in AD70

  • "The Consummation of the Ages" Came in AD70

  • "The Millennium" is in the Past, From AD30 to AD70

  • Nothing to be Resurrected From in Post AD70 World ; Hades Destroyed

  • The Christian Age Began in AD70 ; Earth Will Never End

  • "The Day of the Lord" was Israel's Destruction ending in AD70

  • The "Second Coming" of Jesus Christ Took Place in AD70-ish

  • The Great Judgment took place in AD70 ; No Future Judgment

  • The Law, Death, Sin, Devil, Hades, etc. Utterly Defeated in AD70

  • "The Resurrection" of the Dead and Living is Past, Having Taken Place in AD70

  • The Context of the Entire Bible is Pre-AD70 ; Not Written To Post AD70 World

DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES TAUGHT BY VARIOUS FORMS
(under construction)

  • Baptism was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)

  • The Lord's Prayer was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)

  • The Lord's Supper was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)

  • The Holy Spirit's Paraclete Work Ceased in AD70 (Cessationism)

  • The Consummation in AD70 Caused Church Offices to Cease (Cessationism)

  • The Resurrection in AD70 Changed the "Constitutional Principle" of Marriage (Noyesism)

  • Israel and Humanity Delivered into Ultimate Liberty in AD70 (TransmillennialismTM)

  • The Judgment in AD70 Reconciled All of Mankind to God ; All Saved (Preterist Universalism)

  • Adam's Sin No Longer Imputed in Post AD70 World ; No Need to be Born Again (Preterist Universalism)

  • When Jesus Delivered the Kingdom to the Father in AD70, He Ceased Being The Intermediary (Pantelism/Comprehensive Grace?)

  • The Book of Genesis is an Apocalypse; is About Creation of First Covenant Man, not First Historical Man (Covenantal Preterism)

 

It is a common myth within the Hyper Pret circle that "once a full preterist, always a full preterist".   In fact, there is a great deal of turnover in the view.  Many of those who once strongly defended the view fade away and are never heard from again.   Some are heard from again, but outside of the confines of Christianity.   It is true, however, that since the birth of systematic Hyper Preterism many have left the view - including the earliest known adherents!

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At what point does AD70 hinder the message/messenger?

Dorothy Anderson

"I can profess that while full preterism has straightened out some areas, I am confident that full preterism is not the final answer and creates larger problems than it solves."

  • The Devil is in the Details

  • Return from Oz (2008) "I do believe full preterism is dying out. The reason: In order to have fellowship today and further their studies, a large number of full preterists have been reduced to embracing those who hold the full preterist position regardless of their other doctrinal beliefs, like denial of the bodily resurrection of Jesus, universalism, denial of the trinity, the emergent Church “truth can’t be known”, etc."

  • Dorothy's public announcement on PretCoz Group (2008) "It may come as a shock to some, but I no longer hold to the FP position and no, Lloyd, nor Rod can be held to ridicule here for my change but they both have made some valid points that have complimented my study.. I do have a scriptural response and I'll share it privately with some and then publicly when I get it on paper but in the meantime, I'm still in study.  I've been seeing some problems for a while and have finally taken the time to search it out.  While FP has straightened out much, it is not the end all imho."

"When you battle full preterism, you often do it alone because there are so few who know the system well enough to come to your aid. For those who have left, it is often hand to hand combat if they elect to speak out, so many remain silent. Lack of knowledge in the position within the orthodox community leaves it wide open for a breach in scriptural rebuttal and full preterism uses that breach to further their cause."

"No one who witnessed the destruction of Jerusalem in AD70 took a full preterist (scripture was totally fulfilled) position. They still expected “something else”. To be honest with the full preterist position, you have to acknowledge that you are going against 2000 years of Church history."

"I do believe full preterism is dying out. The reason: In order to have fellowship today and further their studies, a large number of full preterists have been reduced to embracing those who hold the full preterist position regardless of their other doctrinal beliefs, like denial of the bodily resurrection of Jesus, universalism, denial of the trinity, the emergent Church “truth can’t be known”, etc. I know that sounds nuts, but they are so convinced of their eschatological position, everything else takes a back seat, including sound doctrine."

"Hi Jason.. I’m also glad you brought up the “don’t care” attitude because that’s another characteristic I’ve found in FP. If you hold to the position quoted by Rod from Mike Sullivan, then to make this statement is to say you don’t care about your “brothers and sisters” In Christ.  Funny, because Sullivan had the same attitude. It’s a “ME and my precious doctrine” attitude and if I just don’t happen to swallow the whole pill, you could care less even though there are some who consider this a salvation issue. Incredible…. You know Jason, as crazy as it may seem to you, I do lose sleep over you…and those who have been seduced by hyperpreterism."  (Return from Oz)

WHAT OTHERS HAVE SAID

Mike Sullivan- Hyper Preterist : "I will say the same thing about you that I did Roderick.  I pointed out how there is no middle ground and that Roderick's heart would eventually get harder from his sin of rejecting and compromising the Word of God.  That is the road you are on.. And because of this, reading you (like Roderick) will end up being a complete waist of anyone's time." (PretCoz Yahoo)

MG - Hyper Preterist:
"It’s sad to see someone like Dorothy succumb to the peer pressure of the hyper-futurist cult.. I only pray Dorothy’s next step is not atheism like so many other hyper-futurist."
 (Return from Oz)

 

Brian Simmons - Former Full Preterist
"
I’m glad to hear that Hyper-Preterism has lost its hold on you. The “local flood” and “covenantal Adam” theories are completely off-the-wall, but these people take them very seriously! I was a Hyper-Pret for less than two years, yet had already started to encounter these oddball doctrines, even within the local church context.  Yes, it’s wonderful to hear when another person leaves Hyper-Preterism. It’s like a miracle, or a new-born baby." (Return from Oz)

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Date: 27 Feb 2009
Time: 00:09:11

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The miracle is when I found full preterism. The whole Bible has opened up to me a little over two years ago. Unlike some I don't to have everything resolved because we never do. I am here for life and I love it.

I have been a Christian and a Calvinist for 18 years. I love God with all of my heart and I love Christ and worship Christ with my life and always will. Call me what you want But I call myself a God fearing Christian because I have faith in Christ. That is what really saves us. Not eschatology.

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