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Not One Stone Left Upon Another : The catastrophic fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 forever changed the face of Judaism—and the fate of Christians in the Holy Land

"Jesus predicted it 37 years before it happened. Herod Agrippa II and his sister Bernice, who heard Paul's testimony at Caesarea (Acts 26), tried hard to prevent it, as did the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus (our main source of first-century information). But the fall of Jerusalem and the burning of the Temple in A.D. 70 happened nevertheless, and it was a catastrophe with almost unparalleled consequences for Jews, Christians, and, indeed, all of subsequent history."


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PROGRESSIVE ESCHATOLOGY

Preterist Kerygma: "The Fall of Jerusalem was the Vengeance of God Upon the Jewish Nation"
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PROGRESSIVE ESCHATOLOGY

When I was a Dispensationalist, I was shocked to learn that there were other forms of Premillennialism I could move into -- even though at that time the idea of leaving the overarching system altogether was completely unknown.  Once it became clear that I could more forward out of that entire system, then I was freed from all the chains in which that method had put me.   Having moved into full preterism later, I didn't think that there was anywhere else to go ; however, there are a number of ways that the scripture can be understood in a different way which opens new doors.   You can have fulfillment in AD70 in type, while still embracing the kingdom work shown therein common to the individual today. 

The progression into sounder eschatology is still continuing.    When I was a full preterist I had no idea where else there was to go... but time and studies and experience revealed that there are many other ways to reckon the fall of Jerusalem -- and some in very impactful ways for my life.   Idealist approaches which recognize AD70 in a typical fashion are held up in particular esteem because of their ability to connect to the life of the believer. 

Strictly preterist eschatology also has a few sterling alternatives given throughout Christian history.   Perhaps the most glorious outcropping of preterism in history came straight from the throne of the world's leader in the early 4th century.  Constantine's labarum should be considered the pinnacle of historical preterism, but is largely unknown or ignored -- especially among the crowd which sees prophecy extending no farther than ad70.

This page, therefore, will be specifically geared for the many disgruntled full preterists, who were convinced that they had found the ultimate answer, but now are not so sure. There is much more Truth available than full preterism can offer... and rest assured that it is not retreat to advance into a higher (or deeper) levels of understanding regarding the intent of the Word of God.  The consequences for going too far, however, are steep.  Therefore, keeping proper balance on the line is critical.

 

 "Alcasar, a Spanish Jesuit, taking a hint from Victorinus, seems to have been the first (AD 1614) to have suggested that the Apocalyptic prophecies did not extend further than to the overthrow of Paganism by Constantine." (An argument can be made for Eusebius' Theophany) // "It has been usual to say that the Spanish Jesuit Alcasar, in his Vestigatio Arcani Sensus in Apocalypsi (1614), was the founder of the Præterist School.." Farrar

Such is the idea with this page --

1)  Spotlighting Alternative Avenues - Showing sincere students that they can, indeed, march farther ahead than hyper preterism will allow, without having losing any theological ground.   The materials contained on this page are collected in particular so that those who cannot see any better alternative than full preterism might recognize that there is a whole horizon of studies in a progressive -- and not regressive -- direction.  All progressive contemporary hybrids and neo-pret versions will be listed. 

 


PROGRESSIVE HERMENEUTICS

GENERAL IDEAS PROGRESSING ESCHATOLOGY...
..PAST THE DEAD-END OF AD70.

Can God's Grand Redemptive Plan Really Be Reduced to the a single generation and a single city?   Would you do that with the Cross of Christ, likewise a historical event in a particular generation and city ? Here are compelling reasons why the simplistic approach to time texts and revelations may be pointing in the wrong direction

Scott Hahn "I was originally attracted by Max King and J. S. Russell, but subsequently rejected their view that 70 AD exhaustively fulfills NT prophecy. Personally, I have come to conclude that the main error of "hyper-preterism" is based on the common failure to recognize the theological significance of the biblical (and ancient Jewish) view of Israel's temple as a "microcosm" (i.e., the cosmos in miniature), which implies that the cosmos itself was seen as a "macro-temple" (see Ps 104, Job 38).  Accordingly, the divinely decreed destruction of the Jerusalem (microcosmic) temple was itself a typological event, one that foreshadows the future destruction of the cosmos (i.e., as macro-temple). The destruction of the Jerusalem temple is thus a true -- but partial -- fulfillment, which implies a partial non-fulfillment, thus pointing to a still greater fulfillment in the future, when the cosmos undergoes the same divinely decreed destruction as the Jerusalem temple. An integral interpretation of NT prophetic texts is rooted in the scriptural view of creation, set forth in terms of temple typology (see Hebrews 9:1-12). What happens to the temple must eventually happen to the cosmos; the resurrected body of Christ is the New Temple, which will be fully manifested in glory only when the old cosmos undergoes the same transformative judgement of God, thus bringing forth a New Creation -- which the Apocalypse rightly describes as the Divine Temple (Rev. 11:18ff) of the New Jerusalem (Rev. 21:22)." (comments, ca-anathema, 2003)

Jake Magee (2008) "I believe that this value for chronological fidelity is one that should be taken seriously and would do much to dispel much extravagant thinking within eschatology, as well as to enrich our understanding of history. However, I think many who support it have adopted an unfortunate and unnatural prophetic reductionism that makes the prophetic portraits of Scripture feel like wearing one’s high school pants – too tight and too restrictive. I contend that genre of language found in places like the Olivet Discourse and the book of Revelation allows for a more flexible reading of chronological markers (e.g., “this generation” “the time is near”), and in fact requires a qualified exception of the interpretive rule which says that the right interpretation is the one the audience would have understood." (Cautioning Preterism)

Joseph Wood (1906) "Inspiration is that which is of universal application. If any utterance is only for an age, and local in its interpretation, we do not regard it as inspired. The Psalms, for instance, were mostly suggested by local considerations, the trials, the joys, the experiences of David and others, under peculiar circumstances. But, nevertheless, we feel as we read them that they pass beyond the limits of the local and the individual— they belong to humanity—they are true of human nature and life everywhere. Or take Christ's prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem. It was spoken at Jerusalem about Jerusalem, and in a manner which seemed limited to Jerusalem. But had the prophecy been true only of that city of sorrows, it would never have been regarded as inspired. Whereas Christ's principle was this : that the doom pronounced on Jerusalem was universally applicable, and that it was but a style and specimen of God's judgment everywhere. The judgment comes wherever there is evil grown ripe for judgment, wherever corruption is complete. And the gathering of the Roman eagles to the carcase is but a specimen of the way in which judgment at last overtakes any city, any country, and any man in whom evil has reached the point where there is no possibility of cure. We who have lived through the last fifty years have seen the eagles gathered together in Naples, in America, in France, in Bulgaria. The Lord's judgment on Jerusalem has been fulfilled many times—it was not simply of local but of universal application." (The Bible, what it is and is not [lects.], p. 97)

 

HISTORICAL-TYPOLOGICAL METHOD

 

INVESTIGATING PRETERIST / IDEALIST HYBRIDS

Idealist-Preterism (John Noe)

Preterist-Idealism (Todd Dennis)

Without trying to present this complete system of progressive preterist theology here, as is done at the Preterist-Idealism Study Archive, I'd like to simply present some of the more important concepts which inform that system, and show how the old assumptions of full preterism fail to take into account an entire realm of interpretation of Bible prophecy.

Jerusalem as the Heart Outward Informing Regarding the Inward Chronological vs. Spatial The Visibility Disability


That which is eternal is not bound by time

 


All important hybrids and neo-pret versions will eventually be considered at the end.

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