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G.K. Beale
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Wilhelm Bousset
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Thomas Dekker
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William Gilpin
W.B. Godbey
Ezra Gould
Hank Hanegraaff
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Matthew Henry
G.A. Henty
George Holford
Johann von Hug
William Hurte
J, F, and Brown
B.W. Johnson
John Jortin
Benjamin Keach
K.F. Keil
Henry Kett
Richard Knatchbull
Johann Lange

Cornelius Lapide
Nathaniel Lardner
Jean Le Clerc
Peter Leithart
Jack P. Lewis
Abiel Livermore
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Martin Luther

James MacDonald
James MacKnight
Dave MacPherson
Keith Mathison
Philip Mauro
Thomas Manton
Heinrich Meyer
J.D. Michaelis
Johann Neander
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Thomas Newton
Stafford North
Dr. John Owen
 Blaise Pascal
William W. Patton
Arthur Pink

Thomas Pyle
Maurus Rabanus
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Anne Rice
Kim Riddlebarger
J.C. Robertson
Edward Robinson
Andrew Sandlin
Johann Schabalie
Philip Schaff
Thomas Scott
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Daniel Smith
Dr. John Smith
C.H. Spurgeon

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James Ussher
Wm. Warburton
Benjamin Warfield

Noah Webster
John Wesley
B.F. Westcott
William Whiston
Herman Witsius
N.T. Wright

John Wycliffe
Richard Wynne
C.F.J. Zullig

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Firmin Abauzit
Jay Adams
Luis Alcazar
Greg Bahnsen
Beausobre, L'Enfant
Jacques Bousset
John L. Bray
David Brewster
Dr. John Brown
Thomas Brown
Newcombe Cappe
David Chilton
Adam Clarke

Henry Cowles
Ephraim Currier
R.W. Dale
Gary DeMar
P.S. Desprez
Johann Eichhorn
Heneage Elsley
F.W. Farrar
Samuel Frost
Kenneth Gentry
Steve Gregg
Hugo Grotius
Francis X. Gumerlock
Henry Hammond
Hampden-Cook
Friedrich Hartwig
Adolph Hausrath
Thomas Hayne
J.G. Herder
Timothy Kenrick
J. Marcellus Kik
Samuel Lee
Peter Leithart
John Lightfoot
Benjamin Marshall
F.D. Maurice
Marion Morris
Ovid Need, Jr
Wm. Newcombe
N.A. Nisbett
Gary North
Randall Otto
Zachary Pearce
Andrew Perriman
Beilby Porteus
Ernst Renan
Gregory Sharpe
Fr. Spadafora
R.C. Sproul
Moses Stuart
Milton S. Terry
Herbert Thorndike
C. Vanderwaal
Foy Wallace
Israel P. Warren
Chas Wellbeloved
J.J. Wetstein
Richard Weymouth
Daniel Whitby
George Wilkins
E.P. Woodward
 

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Henry Alford
G.C. Berkower
Alan Patrick Boyd
John Bradford
Wm. Burkitt
George Caird
Conybeare/ Howson
John Crossan
John N. Darby
C.H. Dodd
E.B. Elliott
G.S. Faber
Jerry Falwell
Charles G. Finney
J.P. Green Sr.
Murray Harris
Thomas Ice

Benjamin Jowett
John N.D. Kelly

Hal Lindsey
John MacArthur
William Miller
Robert Mounce

Eduard Reuss

J.A.T. Robinson
George Rosenmuller
D.S. Russell
George Sandison
C.I. Scofield
Dr. John Smith

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John Walvoord

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Hyper Preterist Rapture

According to the "Preterist Rapture" view, the top tier of Christians were removed from the earth in A.D.70

 

Charles Guiteau
The Christianity of Paul’s church was wonderfully different in spirituality and Holy Ghost power from any church since his time.  There has been no power in the church these eighteen centuries.  As we read the history of this apostate Christianity, we are appalled at the record.  And herein we find an unanswerable confirmation of our doctrine of Christ’s second coming.  Our doctrine shows that Christ’s second coming occurred at the siege of Jerusalem, A.D. 70; that he then took the ‘saints’ of the primitive church, aand the righteous dead of past ages to glory, and left the unrighteous part of said church; and that this fact accounts for the terrible record of Christianity during the ‘dark ages.’  At that time Christ transferred His interest in the church which He founded, from earth to heaven, and He is in no way responsible for the doings of the apostate part of that church since” (The Truth, D. Lothrop & Co., pg. 62-63).

 

 

RAPTURE REMOVAL

NO RAPTURE REMOVAL

 

 
  • Ed Stevens: Silence Demands a Rapture "A rapture easily explains why no Christian after AD 70 mentioned the occurrence of the parousia (they weren't around to document it).  So when a non-rapture preterist asserts that the rapture preterist has a "documentation problem," it leaves three fingers pointing back at him.  The non-rapture preterist has three other events to find documentation for (parousia, resurrection and judgment). "

  • Walt Hibbard: Five Views of the AD70 Rapture - "..Mr. Ian Harding of Australia. I see his refinement of "The Literal Rapture Expectation" view, which I have called simply "The Perfect Is Heaven" view, as the only preterist view of the rapture and related events that meets the full requirements of scripture."

  • Walt Hibbard: Reply to Sam Frost's Analysis and Critique of Taken to Heaven in AD70: Blessings Expected a the Parousia By Ian D. Harding - "At this point I think it is only fair, open and honest to urge the “heaven now” preterists to return to sanity in their eschatological studies. If they choose not to do so, they are laying themselves wide open for ridicule and laughter from the entire futurist community and many preterists as well – and even worse will do insurmountable damage to the preterist cause, and to the credibility and honor of the Lord Jesus Christ, the very One whom preterists strive to honor in virtue of their adopting the preterist viewpoint! "

  • Gabor Gombor: Word Games on the Rapture - "The critic who stands against the physical rapture fights against a picture of saints flying into the space. It is the next word game with the “air”. Why did not use the author the world “ouranos” here? Let us realize that a rapture does not require flying into sky. The spiritual-physical rapture does not require for a body to fly up. The body can simply disappear and the invisible new uncorrupted body emanates to the Lord. "

  • Arthur Melanson: What About the First Century Rapture? - "About this time Ed Stevens, after long study, wrote and published a book, Expectations Demand a Rapture. Walt Hibbard wrote one foreword for Ed’s book, we wrote the other. The book has met with intense opposition. Nevertheless, it is a breakthrough of major proportions. It’s not that Ed has discovered the rapture; that knowledge is as old as Scripture, but it is a major breakthrough in seeing and understanding what the first century Christians knew and understood. It’s a breakthrough that has the power to give fresh, accurate insight to the preterist movement."

  • Kurt Simmons (2003) "Evidence of the difficulty the early church had in gaining a command of prophetic writings may be seen in the idea of the “rapture.” The idea of a bodily rapture, a notion strongly connected with a bodily resurrection, gained currency in the early church. The apostle John alludes to this when he reports that the fact he was to live until Christ’s return gave rise to the belief he would be rapturously borne away and never die: “Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? Follow thou me. Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?” (Jno. 21:21-23) Having reported the popular misconception among the early brethren, John disallows entirely that his remaining alive until Jesus’ return meant he would not suffer death. In another place, Jesus made the like announcement: “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matt. 16:27, 28) Notice that Jesus did not say death would cease at his coming. He merely said some would not taste death before he came. Jesus would come before they tasted death and only then would they die. Read together, it is clear that John was to be one of those people. Thus, the idea that Jesus’ coming entailed an end of physical existence in which the righteous would be borne away to heavenly portals was simply without basis and was not the teaching of Christ or the apostles. There was to be no bodily rapture." (Resurrection of the Flesh)

  • Dan Harden: Response to Walt Hibbard's Support of Ian Harding's Book - "..(O)ur spiritual condition is drastically different from those of the pre-Parousial saints, based solely on the fact that our High Priest returned and brought back with Him our completed atonement.  Christ has made us whiter than snow, blameless before the Lord, despite our shortcomings.  What was a promise / deposit for the pre-Parousial saints is a reality for us today -- even while living on Earth.  Our going to Heaven when we die is BECAUSE of these fulfilled promises.  We don't look forward to them being fulfilled in fullness when we die, or else we would never be qualified to make it on our own, for we are unable to do so on our own.  Indeed, if we didn't have glory in fullness already, we couldn't go to Heaven at all, for God cannot abide anything less than perfection.  But our entrance into Heaven is assured because we already have Eternal Life in fullness NOW!"

  • Preterist Rapture Challenge - "If you believe that the Rapture took place in 70 A.D. at the alleged Second Advent of YAHSHUA, IMMANUEL, YAHWEH of Nazareth the Mashiyach (a.k.a. Jesus Christ) please take this challenge."

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Date:
14 May 2002
Time:
19:46:26

Comments

Silence is a greater argument AGAINST the view.


Date:
16 May 2002
Time:
02:16:55
Remote User:

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There is no historical record of the Church vanishing from the earth in A.D. 66. This silence suggests that the Church was not literally raptured. The Bible tells us that the Son of Man was to gather His elect in A.D. 70, not in A.D. 66 (Matt. 24:31), and that His elect remnant was to survive beyond A.D. 70 and reign on Earth as Israel's posterity. (Isa. 1:9; Rom. 9:27-29; 11:5; Rev. 5:10). There are historical records from multiple sources of Apostolic Christians living beyond A.D. 70. Conclusion: Silence, the Bible, and history agree that the Church was not literally raptured. Case closed. --Dave Green


Date:
16 May 2002
Time:
04:20:04
Remote User:

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""It is also possible that the number of folks 'snatched away' might have been smaller than we think. ....There might not be a large number of true saints left at the time of Christ's return. (Matt. 24:10-24; Lk. 18:8)"" --------------------The above argument was suggested as a possible explanation as to why there was no historical record of the Church vanishing in A.D. 66. The rapture of a small group could have escaped the historical record. ......Response: If indeed there was "not a large number of true saints" in A.D. 66, why should anyone expect to find historical evidence of their activities immediately afterward? It is altogether reasonable that the writings and activities of such a small group were simply not preserved in history. The "New Testament" writings have survived only because they are divinely, providentially and supernaturally preserved. It is a fact that apart from the God-breathed "New Testament," early Church history is FILLED THROUGHOUT WITH GAPING GAPS --from the very beginning to well into the second century. Relying on uninspired writings, one could as easily infer from silence that a "rapture" happened in A.D. 40, or 50, or 80, as in A.D. 66. Extra-scriptural "silence" "demands" only this much: That it took the Church about 100 years of steady increase before it finally began to become a consistent subject in non-inspired histories. --Dave Green


Date:
16 May 2002
Time:
14:11:58
Remote User:

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The same reasons that drew all of us (or most of us) away from the rapture doctrine still hold now that we are preterists. Simply put, it is unbiblical. I see no reason now to re-fabricate this idea of a rapture.


Date:
17 May 2002
Time:
16:37:25
Remote User:

Comments

What happened to the old adage, " Speak where the Bible speaks, and be silent where the Bible is silent?" A physical rapture of only the most "true" believers is an invitation to false doctrine and another cult! Remember the Mormon and Jehovah Witness beliefs? It also brings to mind the exploitation of the fear of not being "good enough" to be allowed entrance into heaven that the church in its various forms have used to control people in times past....and present. Jesus' kingdom has never been about the physical, why start with this now?


Date:
18 May 2002
Time:
13:31:10
Remote User:

Comments

IMO silence is about as helpful for the rapture theory as it is for the postponement theory! TracyV


Date:
24 May 2002
Time:
12:57:35
Remote User:

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Actually, while I am a man who respects Ed very much, and even having once done a series of radio programs with him for almost 5 months as my co-host, I find myself wondering if it is not one of the cardinal logical fallacies to "argue from silence." Still, Ed knows his stuff, and I guess this can be viewed several ways. Fact is, the Scriptures don't really seem to give clear-cut information on this "rapture." I also don't agree with Ed Stevens or Dr. Birks on their view of ECP (eternal conscious punishment), but hey--they got the degrees! (-:


Date:
29 May 2002
Time:
07:42:15
Remote User:

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In my opinion the biggest problem, (a deadly problem i would add), with the whole idea that " "TRUE Christians" (?) were raptured, leaving on earth those who were NOT TRUE (?) Christians lies in the following: Christ would have left His Kingdom in the hands of " NOT TRUE Christians". In other words UNBELIEVERS, that is what "NOT TRUE Christians" are by definition, are the "foundation" of today's church !!! May i suggest instead, that the "silence" is due to the non existence of any PHYSICAL rapture; leaving us to ponder what is truly meant by " to be caught up" ?


Date:
06 Jun 2002
Time:
20:11:09
Remote User:

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if the church was present at the time of Christs comming there would be an abundance of written evidence.however the church at that time doesn't seem to have produced any writings hailing the establishment of the new kingdom,the fall of the old covenant and the reciept of the promises to the fathers!they were the church who had seen.the church who hadn't seen were the blessed that jesus spoke about.


Date:
15 Sep 2003
Time:
11:23:18

Comments

Ed's current rapture position is not from silence, as is well known, but rather from expectations! The expectations of first-century saints came from teaching like this: "When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with him in glory." (Colossians 3:4) I didn't realize it for quite some time, but the non-literal rapture position puts preterism into an indefensible position. If we don't see the truth of the literal rapture we can self destruct logically. Unbiased thinking is called for. Arthur Melanson


Date: 12 Oct 2005
Time: 23:18:08

Comments:

How refreshing to read the accounts of history and find the fulfillments before our very eyes! Great article and site folks! Keep it coming.

D. Farquhar
 


Date: 24 Oct 2005
Time: 12:40:25

Comments:

In Rev 7:9-17, it speaks of a great multitude which no man could number from all nations, people, kindred and tongues that had come out of 'great tribulation' as those who had washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb...

If all or a vast majority of Christians in Jerusalem had fled to Pella, then who are these people that were killed and came out of great tribulation ??

From my understanding of the article above, pretty much only non-believing Jews died in the siege of Jerusalem, 66-70 AD.

Neronian persecution of Christians throughout the empire ??

TractorMan


Date: 07 Jul 2009
Time: 22:22:46

Your Comments:

I just finished "parousia" by russell and found his level of honesty in his hermeneutical approach quite refreshing. I am feeling my paradigm shifting as I write.


Date: 16 Jul 2009
Time: 16:56:32

Your Comments:

There was no rapture. The rapture doctrine is pure garbage and false hope, something that the Thessaloninans had and the very reason why Paul had to go there to stop the nonsense of their expectation of a physical return of the kingdom on Earth with Christ, in the flesh, ruling. Something the Jewish polity had expected and missed the boat entirely when Christ came the 1st time. The "changed in the twinkling of an eye" is purely dealing with our soul/spirit...once dead, now accepting Christ and "changed"!

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