Futurists vs. Hyper Preterism
Matthew 24: The Achilles Heel of Full Preterism
Full Preterism and the Lord's Supper
Questions for Full Preterists
A short introduction to Preterism "Some of you will have come across the word 'preterist' either through reading or on the web, probably from the Preterist Archive. This is a short introduction to explain what it is. I have used Todd Dennis's article "An Introduction to Preterism" for some of what follows."
The Great Falling Away Has Begun "There's a movement in America today that is hell bent on destroying The Word of God Almighty by first fabricating, then spreading, utterly false doctrines., specifically designed to trap YOU as a Christian into questioning your faith. And to cause you to believe in your heart that God is a liar, through a professionally designed system of indoctrination...it is by far the greatest threat to Christianity ever."
The Naked Preterist "Although there - is - no such word or term as "preterist" in any dictionary: The preterists could not have possibly chosen a better name for their demonic cult. "
It is like a CANCER. It consumes until it destroys every
major doctrine of the New Testament. (Debate
with Don Preston) eschatology.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=568&Itemid=61
"His whole doctrine is built around a
"consummation" theory of Jesus having to "come back out of the MHP" before
His sacrifice can benefit us. Thus, you have seen what
blindness comes with this AD 70
doctrine. It is a position that turns the first forty years after Jesus’
death upside-down. It turns the teaching of the New Testament on end and
changes every verse it touches. Nothing is
clear any more. There is a fitting description that would still apply
to doctrines like this.
Larry A. Bunch
2013: Meaning of the Lord's Supper "Let’s be clear about
this! At this coming each person (Matt.16:27;
every man, KJV) shall be rewarded according to his works and the
disobedient among all men will suffer everlasting destruction in that
day. I know Don and other A.D. 70 theorists are ready to state this all
occurred in A.D. 70, but that is just not so! What about all those who
have lived in the intervening centuries since that time? They must be
included in the expression "every man according to his works." This
coming cannot be fitted within the confines of their neat theory without
making the language meaningless and of no consequence. This refers to
the second coming of Christ at the end of this age when all men will be
called before his judgment throne and go either to heaven or to hell (Matt.25:31-46)."
This Generation - Matthew 24 "Very simply, until the word of God was completed (Col.1:25), one could not say to a certainty that a particular declaration of God's revealed will concerning things to come was also a declaration of His actual intention concerning things to come."
Response to "The AD 70 Doctrine Examined"
"But even if one maintains his "faith" while holding to this doctrine, I
still believe his soul will be lost. Why? Because he has denied the one
"hope", which clearly includes the literal (read- fleshly) resurrection of
the body from the dead."
President, Tyndale Seminary
The Fatal Mistakes
of Preterism "While many Preterists are not liberal in
their overall theology, this movement leads to liberalism. If all the
language of Scripture pertaining to the Second Coming of Christ is not to be
taken historically and in a normal sense, then why not take the virgin birth
of Christ, for example, or other miracles in a "spiritualized" way, as the
Preterists do in reference to prophecy?"
Preterism and Exegetical Error
- "While the entire verse of
Acts 1:11 describes a literal taking up
of the Lord into heaven, how He comes again is the focus that is most important.
Notice how the disciples saw (“blepo”) visually His bodily ascension, in like
manner He will return—visually and literally. Concerning that return the Greek
text reads - President of Tyndale Seminary
"The Scofield Reference Bible had far greater impact on teaching and winning
the average man to Christ than can be imagined."
A Refutation of the AD70 Doctrine, in three parts
doctrine is not popular. It has very few disciples.
However, those who believe this doctrine are often vocal,
enthused and insistent. In congregations of God’s people where
it has gained a foothold, it has led to division and ruin. It
is worthy of our examination and refutation."
You Will Read This "Since hyper-preterists argue that the NT
posits an imminent return of Christ, they revise their understanding of
the nature of this return (cataclysmic, physical, and renewal of the
cosmos) in order to maintain the integrity of the NT writings (i.e., if
Christ didn't return within a generation of his ascension, then the NT
is fallible, etc.). Here's where Pratt's hermeneutic (outlined in the
previous three posts of this series) comes in: "Even if the New
Testament does predict an imminent return of Christ, intervening
historical contingencies make it unnecessary that an imminent return
take place" (p. 149). Indeed, a first-century expectant Israelite would
know that such an imminent return was not "set in stone." Why? "
Absolute Refutation of Preterism - "Preterism serves no
useful purpose for preterists today except to refute the futurists. That is
a colossal waste of time. The preterists should devote all of their time to
sharing the Gospel with the lost, not trying to convert futurists,
historicists and others to their doctrine. Their false doctrine cannot edify
anyone or further the spread of the Gospel. It can only confuse and hinder
the spread of the Gospel and cause dissension within the body of YAHSHUA
Preterist Rapture Challenge -
"If you believe that the Rapture took place in 70 A.D. at the alleged Second
Advent of YAHSHUA IMMANUEL YAHWEH of Nazareth the Mashiyach (a.k.a. Jesus
Christ) please take this challenge."
John R. Ecob
(2006 PDF) "Had any of the Apostles lived
beyond AD70, surely they would have written volumes about seeing the
Lord come in glory and power, yet there is a total absence of
testimony from anyone seeing Christ appear in the heavens in AD70.
Even John on the Isle of Patmos in AD70 would have seen the Lord,
for according to Scripture the second advent of Christ will be seen
universally; "every eye shall see him" (Rev. 1:7). John should
have witnessed it in AD70 even though he was on the Isle of Patmos."
A Scriptural Critique of Full Preterism in Light of Matthew 24 and Related Passages
"there is insufficient reason to claim that the words of Jesus in Matthew 24 were intended for the 12 disciples only, or that all of these words had to find fulfillment in their lifetimes. As we read this passage, it is therefore important that we keep in mind that Jesus may be speaking to all believers, not just to his disciples."
Their Flesh Rests In Hope - The Apostolic Fathers and Early Apologists Looked Forward to the Resurrection of the Flesh
Examining the Logical Foundations of Preterism - "I believe that the evangelism of the cities of Israel was interrupted by the war associated with 70 AD, and is still not complete. To prove otherwise, you would have to provide historical evidence that the gospel has been thoroughly proclaimed in each city by born again, evangelical church planters."
Robert L. Garringer
Revelation 1:7: Past or Future? - "John wrote that "every eye will see Him" and that "all the tribes of the earth will mourn" when He appears. Did Jesus "appear" to the Jewish tribes at the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 as preterism maintains? Or are there reasons for understanding this passage to teach a future event of world-wide impact? Thankfully, we need not be overly concerned about the persistence of preterism because the plain meaning of the Biblical text stands opposed to its foundational teachings." "Full or consistent preterism
Jots, Tittles, and the Kingdom of Heaven
"So, are we in the new heavens and the new earth? No, for the reasons I have stated in my most recent article,
A Letter to a Full Preterist. If not, is it true that not one jot or tittle has passed from the law? Yes, God’s word stands forever. None of God’s Word will fail or pass away. Is the Old Covenant Law still binding then in every jot and tittle? If not, why not? No, because Jesus finished the work which He came to do."
Four Biblical Reasons Why AD70 Cannot be the Second Parousia of Jesus "the AD70 sack of Jerusalem was strictly a local judgment on that generation of Jews for the following reasons."
A Letter to a Full Preterist "In reading the above passages that I have quoted to you and others the “particulars of the words” lead me to believe that they are to be taken literally. History teaches us that Jesus’ words in Matthew 24:1-35 were fulfilled quite literally in the cloud judgment that fell upon Jerusalem and Israel in AD70 at the hands of the Romans. This fact encourages me, because I know that when the Second Parousia does come, it will come in the same fashion as Jesus and the Apostles described it."
Matthew 16:28 A Time Statement for What? "Evil still thrives. Just look around you. You see diseases, death, murder, economic oppression, genocide, hate, pride, fornication, adultery, etc. The list goes on and on. In 2 Peter 3, Simon Peter compares the future destruction of this world by fire to the worldwide flood of Noah. God destroyed all evil by a flood of real, wet water. He will destroy it again by a real, hot fire. It is contrary to God’s holiness for Him to allow evil to persist forever, which is what full Preterists are suggesting. "
"All That Are in the Graves Shall Come Forth"
"Why the Resurrection Spoken of in John 5:28-29 Can Only Refer to Actual Bodies Coming Out of The Graves"
Dave Hunt on Hyper
Preterism "They claim that Jesus Christ returned in fulfillment
of His promise to come back to take us to heaven, He returned in the
person of the Roman armies to destroy Jerusalem and to excommunicate
Israel, and Israel is finished. Now if that is not wicked, and if
that is not twisting the scriptures I don’t know what is."
Phillip G. Kayser
Westminster Theological Seminary
Whitefield Theological Seminary
Position Paper #1: Critique of Full Preterism
the topic of eschatology, it seems there are as many answers as there
are people to ask. Indeed, true believers throughout history have held
to all three main branches of End-time chronology: premillennialism,
postmillennialism, and amillenialism. But aside from the differences all
have agreed on core issues and these commonalities reveal full preterism
to be unorthodox (i.e. heresy)."
"In Paul’s first letter to the church at Corinth he wrote that a
denial of a “resurrection of the dead” is indeed a matter of life
and death. He affirms that a belief
in the resurrection was absolutely necessary if one was to have any
hope in Christ. He also says that if there is no resurrection
that we as men are the most pitiable. Simply summarizing, Paul
states emphatically that if we were to deny the resurrection, our
“faith is futile” and we are still in our sins! And this is exactly
what hyper preterists are doing today by denying the resurrection.To
be fair, I will present to you what hyper preterists would say to
that charge. Hyper preterists today
say they believe in the resurrection of the dead so this charge is
not valid. They however would amend their argument stating that it
occurred in 70 AD and it was a “spiritual” resurrection; that it was
different than what most Christians expect to see when we read the
Scriptures. Well, friends, if that’s the case, then either those who
hold to a future physical resurrection are lost, or those who hold
to a past spiritual resurrection are lost. To me the critical
issue is the nature of the resurrection. And this is what makes
hyper preterism so deadly. Mark my words, we do not believe in the
same “resurrection” and because of that, one group has to be right
and the other group has to be wrong. To erroneously deny the nature
of the resurrection is to commit the same error that the cultists do
when they deny God’s attributes. A denial of the nature of the
resurrection is a denial of the resurrection in the same way a
denial of God’s attributes is a denial of God Himself!To further
illustrate my point, genuine Christians and followers of cults like
Mormonism and the Jehovah’s Witness claim to believe in God and have
faith that Christ’s atonement has been applied to them. But the
truth is Christians and the followers of these Cults are worlds
apart because they believe in different gods! The Christian looks to
The Christ or the Son personhood of the Sovereign Triune God of
Scripture while followers of the cults look to a god or christ that
deviates greatly from the description given to us by the Bible. In
reality, the followers of the cults are worshiping a god of their
own mind or imagination. They don’t know the Jesus true Christians
know. And in the same way those who claim to believe the teaching of
hyper preterism believe in a resurrection that is completely
contrary to the same resurrection in which I believe. Because of
this deviancy in the meaning of the resurrection, one of us has no
hope and one of us is lost in their sins as Paul rightly states.
Christ’s resurrection was physical. He was the first to be
resurrected and I believe I will be resurrected in exactly the same
manner. Those who don’t share this hope with me do not know of the
hope I have in Christ and have swallowed the gnostic lie of
Hymenaeus thus painting themselves not as genuine Christians,
but as damnable heretics unless they
repent. These are harsh words, but they are not my own, but
those of the Apostle Paul’s. I like to think of 5solas.org as haven
for truth on the Internet. For a period of a couple years I have
thoroughly and honestly investigated the teachings of hyper
preterism. I approached it carefully and closely listened to both
sides of the argument. I have met some people that I consider to be
good online friends and it pains me more than anything to say this –
but I cannot embrace them any longer
as brethren in Christ if they continue to embrace the teaching of
hyper preterism. This pains me greatly because I truly love
these people. But I must stand for truth rather than knowingly turn
a blind eye to their serious and deadly error
in hopes that God may grant them repentance.
To not do so would be unloving, and
in fact murderous. Therefore as owner and webmaster of 5solas.org, I
hereby renounce the doctrine of hyper preterism and declare it to be
neo-hymenaenism. It is a lie of Satan used to ensnare and
deceive many, and if it were possible, even the elect."
Scoffers: Preterists and II Peter 3
"While the preterists love to quote verses that seem to show the New
Testament writers taught that they were in the last days at that
time, they almost universally avoid verse 3 of chapter 3 in II
Peter. "If you are abiding in preterism, you are
enveloped in a profound spiritual darkness that places you in the
soul destroying peril of following “another gospel.” If you are
abiding in pre-tribulationism, you are in a deadly delusion and
walking in such a spiritually wicked false doctrine that your path
is directly heading towards the lake of fire"
Brainstorming the Apocalypse "I was asked to write a book review for the
Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society
on a book by one of
the leaders of their movement. Then, sometime later, I was asked to
write the entry on “Preterism” for the Popular Encyclopedia of
Apologetics, one of the editors of which was my former colleague
and friend, Ergun Caner. Those two assignments allowed me to become
conversant with the quirky claims made by extreme Preterists.
3 Last-Days Views That Lead to Massive
Deception: Hyper Preterism "Although I agree with some
form of preterism (for example, many of the prophecies of Matthew 24
and the book of Revelation were fulfilled with the destruction of
the temple in A.D. 70), the problems I have with this view regarding
eschatology are the following:"
Nearing Midnight Ministries
Preterism! I Can't Believe It
"What is preterism? This theory argues that all Bible prophecy has been fulfilled; nothing remains on the prophetic calendar. Events like the rise of Antichrist, the tribulation, the rapture, and the Day of the Lord all took place around 70 AD - the year the Roman's invaded Jerusalem and destroyed the second Temple. I just cannot understand how anyone can follow a preterist line of thinking in the light of current world events. I've largely ignored preterism because I see as equivalent to the Flat Earth Society.
Scot McKnight the Full Preterist
makes 70 AD the focal point of not only many of Jesus’ prophecies,
but the eternal things that He spoke of as
That is the point where I
feel Scot crosses the line into full preterism and unorthodoxy. Yet Scot
still concedes that not everything is fulfilled which really puzzles me.
How can someone believe that Matthew 25:31-46 has been fulfilled? Or is Scot
saying that this is not part of the eternal things? That would make even
less sense. The section above remains unchanged in his recently published
series so he obviously still believes this doctrine of full preterism, but
this following quote from the original has been changed."
What if I am a Preterist? "As I
stated when I first began this blog, I am a Futurist, and now you
understand the reasons why. While Preterists can make some good
points concerning 70 A.D. fulfillment, the coming of the Son of Man,
the Great Tribulation, the Abomination of Desolation, the Gathering
of the Elect, the signs in the sun, moon, and stars, all these
remain yet in the future."
the Apostolic Full-Preterists have been equally
demeaning in their personal attacks upon anyone that disagrees with them.
I should know, having made several efforts to engage them in a civil
intellectual discussion of their views."
What do the left-wing attacks upon
Vice-Presidential candidate Sarah Palin have in common with the Apostolic Full-Preterist’s
method of defending their doctrine? Just as the rabid left-wing liberals have
been particularly demeaning in their personal attacks upon Palin,
Did We Miss The End? - "Seraiah earned a Master of Divinity degree from Reformed Theological Seminary in Orlando, Florida. He is a postmillennial preterist, making his criticisms of pantelism all the more weighty. As such, he is well within orthodox Christian belief, and his views find company with contemporary authors such as R. C. Sproul and Gary DeMar, as well as some prominent theologians throughout church history. A careful examination of his book leaves readers with a clear understanding of orthodox preterism and of why pantelism should be rejected as an aberrant approach to comprehending Scripture."
Answering Preterism: Did Jesus Return in A.D.70? "So, is preterism a heresy? Can it exist with historical Christianity? Full-blown preterism probably is a heresy, although the verdict may still be out. All parties should admit that a full preterism is not compatible with the Creeds and Confessions. To go against the Creeds and Confessions is not damning or indicative of heresy in of itself, but it should raise many cautions. Preterists need to admit that they are advocating an almost total rewrite of not only eschatology (cosmic and personal) but also ecclesiology, sanctification, and many other doctrines. It is literally a different kind of Christianity and is incompatible with historical Christianity. This makes full-fledged preterism highly suspicious, but not heretical if it can be demonstrated that it is Scriptural. "
A Refutation of Preterism: Second Peter, Chapter 3 - "With the advent of the Internet, the preterists' view of eschatology (last times) has taken on an organized, consistent, and evangelical nature. Heretofore, elements of the system were scattered, and most often incoherent. But today, it has evolved into a very subtle, coherent, and well-defined system of theology.
The Second Coming of Christ: Did it Already Occur? -
"Why has 70 A.D. been made such a focal point in this false doctrine? While several answers could be offered which address this question, I submit that the underlying reason for this doctrinal error rests upon a perverted interpretation of the allegory found in Galatians 4:21-31. In this allegory, the A.D. 70 advocate believes that he finds comfort and support for his doctrine. Instead, he finds a refutation of it! "
The Early Church Fathers: No Preterist Resurrection
- "During the first 400 years of the early Church
after 70 A.D., the Fathers defended the truth of a future, bodily
resurrection. None of them stated otherwise, nor did they refute others that
it had already occurred. For 1900 years, the Church has believed in a future
resurrection from the dead at the glorious, visible, in-the-sky return of
Jesus Christ when every eye will see Him personally. "
C. Michael Patton
Is the Hyper-Preterist Gospel a Different Gospel? "I am still not ready to say that
it is damnable, but it seems to me to be an extremely serious departure
from some essential elements in the Gospel. No matter how one defines
orthodoxy, I cannot find a place for the eschatology of the hyper-Preterist.
It is about as far as one can deviate from the beaten path."
Is the Hyper-Preterist Gospel a Different Gospel? "During
this program I said that hyper-preterism is definitely unorthodox,
finding its antithetical opposite affirmed from the earliest
Christianity until now by all traditions of Christianity (Orthodox,
Catholic, and Protestant). All Christians have always affirmed that
Christ’s return, the resurrection of the dead, judgment, and the new
heavens and earth are yet future, even if we disagree about the details.
However, I also said on the program that while this doctrine is an
unorthodox or heretical view of eschatology, it is not a doctrine that
is damnable in the sense that if one believes it, they are, by
definition, not Christian.. I am beginning to seriously reconsider."
Why I Don't Teach Preterism "It looks like I am getting some
flack from some passionate Preterists (full or hyper Preterist, not
partial preterists) who say I don’t give them a fair shake in The
Theology Program material.. Preterism is a funny thing. It is something
that causes quite a bit of passionate adherence, the degree to which
shows great imbalance. The reason why we don’t cover it in TTP is
because it is neither significant historically or contemporary. I know
that this might seem like an arrogant statement to those who hold this
position, but I feel I am qualified enough to make this assertion in
Biblical Proof for an End Times Seven Year period - "There was no mark of the beast system (666), where if a person refused the mark, they couldn't buy or sell. Finally, the Second Coming visibly did not take place 1290 days after the destruction in 70 AD. The Roman armies continued their dominance for hundreds of years. The people of the earth were not judged visibly standing before the Messiah. And Isaiah 65 was not fulfilled where people's lifespans increased so much, that a youth would die at the age of one hundred years. Only a foolish person would believe or teach that 70 AD fulfilled all the prophecies."
The Preterist View Heresy
"About a year ago Brother Max King, of Warren, Ohio, came out with his new book,
entitled The Spirit Of Prophecy, advocating a Preterist-View of prophecy. This
teaching has caused a mild furor among the liberal brethren wherever it has had
a hearing. The following series of articles will review this novel doctrine, as
set forth in a series of lectures by King before the Brookwood Way church of
Christ, Mansfield, Ohio, in the summer of ‘70, in several presentations which he
and C. D. Beagle made before groups of liberal preachers last year (‘71) (and
also recorded), and in King’s book."
John J. Reilly
Christianity and the Cults "Although not a large group, Hymanaeism is a grave threat to biblical orthodoxy. Hymenaeism is a primary heresy, far more serious than Chiliasm or dispensationalism, as it completely denies one of the essential tenets of the Apostles and Nicene Creeds, that Christ will come again, physically to the earth, to judge the living and the dead"
Refuting Full Preterism "Like any other cult such as the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, Full Preterists feed on those who are unlearned and untaught. Indoctrination can be a terrible thing, and when one becomes indoctrinated into the precept of men, escaping its bondage can become unbearably difficult. " "Full Preterism is an empty doctrine, which offers no hope of a better life and a better future. It tears away at God's promise to the world of everlasting peace and tranquility that will be accomplished at Jesus' Second Coming. If Jesus came in 70 AD as the Full Preterists claim, He didn't do a very good job establishing world peace"
"Full Preterism denies the biblical meaning of the fall. They
believe physical death is natural. Full Preterism denies the death
and resurrection of scripture as defined by the New Testament and
the Old Testament. It is not simply a sign. . It is a sign, but much
much more than that. We are saved by blood of Christ, we are saved
by the suffering and sacrificial death of Christ. We can not be
saved without it. And the resurrection of Christ is also absolutely
critical to Christian Theology. A literal bodily resurrection is the
reason we rise spiritually, regeneration is the reason we are
sanctified and it is the reason we will rise with glorified bodies
just like Christ. A literal bodily resurrection. Full Preterism is a
heresy. A damnable heresy that originated in the 19th century. It
was not taught by any of the church fathers. It was not taught by
any of the creeds and confessions and the first seven ecumenical
councils. it was not taught by any protestant churches whether
Arminian, or Baptist, Presbyterian, or Lutheran. It is a relatively
new heresy. It is a denial of the gospel of Jesus Christ. It is a
damnable heresy. It is a gross perversion of scripture. It is
completely contrary to the Word of God. And we should not extend the
right hand of fellowship to any full preterist. They should be
excommunicated from our churches. And we should not have dinner with
them, we should not extend the right hand of fellowship to them,
because they are damnable heretics. The word of God teaches
explicitly that because Christ rose from the dead we shall rise from
the dead like him. To ignore that is to denigrate the cross and the
empty tomb of Jesus
Preterism... the Church's Final Apostacy
"Preterists have an uncontrollable penchant for parsing various scriptural words
and phrases, relying on what they believe are relevant greek or latin
translations which support a prior assumption. Former President Bill Clinton was
a master of this parsing process in his evasive testimony regarding his
fornication activities in the White House and other locations. Preterists don't
seem to be able to grasp the entirety of the Holy Scriptures, rather looking for
isolated proof texts upon which to create an entirely new Gospel and
Problems with Full Preterism "But in full preterism, the end is 70 A.D. so the resurrection is no longer considered to be a physical, material, bodily resurrection, but becomes a spiritual event. And what about believers who die after 70 A.D.? How do they participate in the resurrection? In my opinion, these verses are fatal to the full preterist position."
Why I am Not a Preterist "But such an interpretation would demand that the Jews who suffered through the A.D. 70 event would have recognized that their sufferings were a punishment for their treatment of Jesus since the prophecy is not merely that they would mourn, but that they would mourn "over Him." Just as there is no evidence that anyone in the church ever recognized the fall of Jerusalem as the return of Jesus, so also there is a complete absence of evidence that the Jews ever recognized the coming of Jesus in those events."
Engbert Vander Werff
Jack Van Impe
6/19/2 Review of Preterism "Preterism
is sweeping in the evangelical churches"
9/21/2 Review of Preterism "I believe they are the ignorant brethren of First Thessalonians 4:13."
July 17 - Commenting on The 9.5 Theses
(RealMedia) "I received a letter from one of the leaders this week,
and they had the 9.5 Theses, and it was soooo pathetic. I do not know of one
name on the list that is one of the great scholars of the day, but this thing is
infiltrating our churches. How could every prophecy, and this is called
PRUTERISM (sic), have been fulfilled by 70 AD? And therefore meaning that there
is nothing left. Everything happened over 1,930 years ago. I am going to deal
with this more next week, so let others know to tune in and I will be devoting
most of the program to the subject, so let the people know."
Jack's 2000 Refutation of Preterism
The Second Coming of Christ: Did it Occur in A.D.70? "It is difficult to see how anyone can say that the resurrection is passed, and that there will be no resurrection of the dead from their graves. Every where people continue to die. There are thousands and tens of thousands of graves every where you look, and so it is evident that the resurrection has not come, and that death has not been destroyed."
Bill Lee Warner
"To help bolster their theory that New Testament prophecy was fulfilled by 70
AD, Preterists at some point usually turn to the historical record for support.
We have already pointed out one example of this, the Preterists' appeals to Nero
as the antichrist. Another example are the Preterists' desire to use unbelieving
historians such as Josephus to back up their claims. (We will go into a more
detailed analysis of both of these momentarily.) In this section we will assume
Preterists will not retract their appeals to historic events. (However, it
should be noted that Preterists are quite fond of appealing to the historical
record when it suits them and then using appeals to Luke 17 to deny its
relevance whenever it contradicts them.)
Now we will take a comparative look at the history surrounding the Roman siege
of Jerusalem in 70 AD and the Biblical details of the antichrist, his empire,
and the returning Christ to see if the two match up. We will find two things.
First, the two do not match up. There is great discrepancy between the
historical events of those days and the Biblical prophecies. These stark
differences clearly prevent us from accepting the Preterist theory that these
Biblical prophecies came to pass in 70 AD. Second, in attempting to reconcile
the two, Preterists completely twist, distort, and even reverse some of the
relationships presented in the Biblical passages they claim to be finding
fulfilled in the historical record.
As we have mentioned in depth earlier, Preterists will always at some point
attempt to use the historical record to prove their theory. We will begin this
section by analyzing one specific example of this practice. We will then use
that example as a jumping point to demonstrate the clear discrepancies between
the historical record and the details of the New Testament prophecies concerning
the coming of the antichrist, the mark of the beast, and the return of Jesus
Christ. We will start with a quote from II Thessalonians."
Max Kingism: An Unkingly Heresy - "See? It's not new. But like a sassy, old woman prancing around in a miniskirt, King thinks he'll get some lookers if he can dude up his ancient heresy in chic garb of the 20th century. But we know better."
e temple) did occur in 70 AD before that generation passed, just like Jesus Christ said."
Preterism's "Proof Text" Analyzed "Thus when Preterists argue that "all these things" INCLUDE the Second Coming and must have occurred in 70 AD, they are not sticking closely enough to the actual words of Jesus Christ. The truth is, "all these things" (relating to the destruction of th
Jesus Did Not
Return in AD70 "Preterism does not solve the problem of evil.
Jesus said the field is the world. He said, "Just as the weeds are
gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age.
The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his
kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers." Matthew 13:40-41 (ESV)
But evil still exists in this world and lawbreakers abound. Jesus'
coming is still future."
Preterism, Another Prophetic Deception "To be honest I've never given Preterism much thought. I've always felt it was a totally crazy position with very few followers. Therefore, as I rule, I have ignored this prophetic view. Preterism is nothing more than satanic deception, Scripture twisting, and wrongly dividing God's prophetic Word. These people will quote and misquote Scripture as good as any Jehovah Witness to teach about their error. Be warned and remove your self from such deception. "
Preterism and Biblical Prophecy - Was all prophecy fulfilled?
"This flaw is evident in Preterism's understanding of the NT teaching that Jesus / the Kingdom will come "soon." This was Albert Schweitzer's observation, and it led him to conclude that Jesus was sadly mistaken. But does the NT lead us in this way? It does indeed announce that the Kingdom is "near" (eggizo; e.g., Mk.1:15). But it also makes the bold announcement of the presence of the Kingdom. In Jesus the Kingdom has not only "come near"; it has come (ephthasen, Mat.12:28; cf., 11:11ff; Lk.17:21). Curiously, the preterist loves to emphasize the nearness of the Kingdom in the teaching of Jesus. But the problem is more difficult than that: Jesus taught not only that the Kingdom was near, but that it had come."
2014: Joseph Mattera:
3 Last-Days Views That Lead to Massive Deception: Hyper Preterism
"Although I agree with some form of preterism (for example, many of the
prophecies of Matthew 24 and the book of Revelation were fulfilled with
the destruction of the temple in A.D. 70), the problems I have with this
view regarding eschatology are the following:"
2012: Jason King:
The Problem of Preterism - Hyperactivity "I, for one, am sick and
tired of having to explain to futurists that I'm not of one of the above
schools of "hyper" preterism, that I'm actually just "borderline" Full
We shall all be changed a critique of full preterism
What is Preterism? What is the difference between the various views of
Preterism? The McDurmon-Preston debate along with Dr. McDurmon's study
companion will answer these questions and more.
Interpreting Revelation – Preterism "I certainly think that the apocalyptic events of A.D. 70 are in the background
of the book. But does the fall of Jerusalem (or Roman persecutions) exhaust the
value of the book? The book claims to be prophecy as well as apocalyptic – if
the book was “entirely fulfilled” in A.D. 70, is there anything in the book for
the future?" ("this is that" for sure.. but does that mean "ONLY this is that"?)
Covenant Eschatology or Full-Preterism? Eschatology in Academia |
Orthodox Wars "I am now fully emerged in the academic
world. I am not only a full-time graduate theology student, but I am
involved in campus work-study, academic advisory boards, and the giving
of regular lectures. My focus at Vanderbilt Divinity School will be on
the Historical Jesus"
Reformation And Apologetics: Preterism? (2011) "PARTIAL preterism
can still be within limits of acceptable eschatological disagreement,
but full preterism is not. FP is an inherently GNOSTIC worldview -
"resurrection" becomes re-interpreted in a New Agey way as merely an
allegory for rising to a higher state of consciousness. "
Christ's Second Coming and Unfulfilled Prophecies - Historicist.com
"A significant error, and the Scriptural responses to that
error, are found below. Some Preterists believe that although Christ did
come at Pentecost (33 AD) and 70 AD, He will make a final appearance at
the end of the world (age)"
'Hyper' Preterism vs 'Hybrid' (Full) Preterism - A Question of Full
Preterist Consistency (2011)
Does Perspecuity Apply to Preterism
"Do those who
are full preterists believe that the Bible is perspecuous? Or do you
believe that in order to be a full preterist, you need someone to guide
you toward that understanding? For instance, how would you have come to
the belief that the 1,000 years was the 40 year period between 30AD and
70AD just by reading the Bible?"
Hope for Today and
Tomorrow: G.C. Berkouwer's Doctrines of Providence and Resurrection with
regard to 9/11 and the rise of Hyper-Preterism (2007 PDF)
Submitted in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the degree of
MASTER OF THEOLOGY in the subject SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY at the UNIVERSITY
OF SOUTH AFRICA // "This dissertation argues for the hope that is found
in G. C. Berkouwer’s doctrines of providence and bodily resurrection in
relation to the terrorist attack on September 11, 2001, and the rising
pervasiveness of the doctrine of hyperpreterism among American Reformed
Isaiah 9 and the infinite procreation error of full preterism (2010)
James White Calls Hyper-preterism Heresy (2011)
Dr. Ron J. Bigalke: Did the Early Church Affirm Preterism? Part One
Eduardo Flores (2009)
"As for Full Preterism, either it is false or it is true. Either
Jesus Christ came In A.D. 70 and fulfilled all the prophesies or
He hasn’t come yet. My sincere worries about FP are that this
view changes the concepts of the major beliefs of Christianity.
The Parousia, the Judgment Day, his Second Coming, the
relationship of Israel and the Church, the Resurrection, the
Body, and many other word-concept complexes are changed. I have
seen some differences in the gospel as well."
Samuel Miller (1841) "When heresy rises in an
evangelical body, it is never frank and open. It always begins by
skulking, and assuming a disguise. Its advocates, when together, boast
of great improvements, and congratulate one another on having gone
greatly beyond the "old dead orthodoxy," and on having left behind many
of its antiquated errors: but when taxed with deviations from the
received faith, they complain of the unreasonableness of their accusers,
as they "differ from it only in words." This has been the standing
course of errorists ever since the apostolic age. They are almost never
honest and candid as a party, until they gain strength enough to be sure
of some degree of popularity. Thus it was with Arius in the fourth
century, with Pelagius in the fifth, with Arminius and his companions in
the seventeenth, with Amyraut and his associates in France soon
afterwards, and with the Unitarians in Massachusetts, toward the close
of the eighteenth and the beginning of the nineteenth centuries. They
denied their real tenets, evaded examination or inquiry, declaimed
against their accusers as merciless bigots and heresy-hunters, and
strove as long as they could to appear to agree with the most orthodox
of their neighbours; until the time came when, partly from inability any
longer to cover up their sentiments, and partly because they felt strong
enough to come out, they at length avowed their real opinions."
Dr. Kenneth G. Talbot
(2009) "This irresistible desire for “validation” has been a “waste
of time” and “resources” for a theory that only has presence
primarily in ‘virtual reality.
Hyperpreterism: A Chronic Hysteresis (2009) "Hyperpreterism
truncates Revelation 20 into the first century and so denies a future
resurrection. The last few years have shown that many who hold this view
end up swallowing universalism and some even deny the faith..
Hyperpreterism results in an endless cycle - a chronic hysteresis
- and leaves little to spur us on to victory. The history of the Bible
does contain repeated patterns, but there is always a
progression from childhood to maturity. Our history will have an end,
and it will be glorious victory."