RECENT ADDITIONS:

8/12/9: C. Michael Patton: Is the Hyper-Preterist Gospel a Different Gospel? - Both Parts, with Comments (2008) "I am still not ready to say that it is damnable, but it seems to me to be an extremely serious departure from some essential elements in the Gospel. No matter how one defines orthodoxy, I cannot find a place for the eschatology of the hyper-Preterist. It is about as far as one can deviate from the beaten path."
8/9/9: "Hyper" Preterism: Jason Bradfield and John Humphrey Noyes "Perhaps the most infamous group of pre-1970 hyperpreterists was a group in upstate New York in the late 1800s. This group was called the "Oneida Community" (search wikipedia.org). This group formed a commune & practiced their hyperpreterism to the extent of no longer having individual marriages but instead everyone having sexual relations with everyone else -- they thought this would be a "logical" conclusion if the resurrection is already passed & people are no longer given in marriage. (Mt 22:30)"
4/7/9: Scot McKnight the Full Preterist (2009) "Scot makes 70 AD the focal point of not only many of Jesus’ prophecies, but the eternal things that He spoke of as well. That is the point where I feel Scot crosses the line into full preterism and unorthodoxy. Yet Scot still concedes that not everything is fulfilled which really puzzles me. How can someone believe that Matthew 25:31-46 has been fulfilled?Or is Scot saying that this is not part of the eternal things? That would make even less sense. The section above remains unchanged in his recently published series so he obviously still believes this doctrine of full preterism, but this following quote from the original has been changed." / Scot McKnight: The Future of Eschatology (2009) "This is a 5-part series we will post this entire week at about this time. It will unpack a "partial preterist" view of Jesus' eschatology."

4/5/9: Former Full Preterists: Brian Simmons: Why Christ didn't return in AD70 (2009) "The unconditional promises were never made under the Mosaic Covenant. They were made under the Abrahamic covenant. This was demonstrated when God, in ratifying the promised blessings, Himself passed through the pieces of the sacrifice (Genesis 15: 17-18), showing that the covenant would be secured by one contracting party alone. // This failure of Israel to acknowledge John’s mission explains why his baptism was still being administered twenty-six years after the ascension of Christ (Acts 19: 3).. Now, if the nation failed to acknowledge John Baptist as the “Elijah” of Malachi’s prophecy, then it is absurd to claim that his mission was accomplished in the first century. Malachi tells us that if the ministry was not fulfilled, the land would be smitten with a curse. That is exactly what Preterists say happened in A.D. 70. Therefore, they cannot claim that John the Baptist fulfilled the role of Elijah without contradicting themselves."

3/29/9: Brian Simmons: How a Full Preterist Became a Dispensationalist (2009) "That later ages should have more insight on the issues than those who lived through the events I soon recognized as an old error of the scholastics, who make their living confuting the theories of their predecessors. It is according to this rationale that the teachings of both evolutionism and Higher Criticism function. Having identified historicity as an important concern, and one not to be brushed aside, I started studying the church fathers. It was a blessing to find that Hyper-Preterist interpretations were unknown to the early church. This knowledge was like a shot in the arm."

Bill at Covenant Radio has guts for tearing down the idols of hyper preterism at his site and on his show. Consider supporting him somehow. Perhaps join the networking site, CovenantRadio.ning / Covenant Radio has released a 7 minute audio statement on the eschatological paradigm known as Hyper-Preterism. You can listen to the .mp3 by clicking here or by visiting CovenantRadio.ning

William F. Hill, Jr. -- born and raised a dispensational baptist for many years, Mr. Hill came to the Reformed faith in 1995 and has never looked back. He is currently the host of the Reformed Theology Resource Center, one of the busiest and most visited Reformed sites on the web.

Audio: Former Full Preterists: Roderick Edwards appearing on Covenant Radio - "to discuss the eschatological paradigm known as “hyper-preterism”. Mr . Edwards, a former hyper-preterist is well versed in this topic and this will be a good discussion dealing with the in’s and out’s of this system of eschatology." Covenant Radio

3/23/9: Former Full Preterists: Brian Simmons: Up or Down? (2009) "Preterists do not generally recognize that Christ had already been exalted to the highest position in the heavenlies at His ascension in A.D. 30. A look at New Testament terminology confirms this. ..and so these verses tell us that Christ is now seated in the “above heavens,” exalted above the highest aristocracy of glory — not merely angels, but principalities and powers (Eph. 1: 20-22; 1 Peter 3: 22). If we take this exaltation as having been achieved in A.D. 30, then it is clear that upon His ascension there was no place higher for Him to go. "

3/21/9: William Hill: Covenant Radio statement on Hyper Preterism (2009 .mp3)

3/21/9: Preteristblog on Covenant Radio's recent split from "full preterism"
3/18/9: Hyperpreterism: A Chronic Hysteresis (2009) "Hyperpreterism truncates Revelation 20 into the first century and so denies a future resurrection. The last few years have shown that many who hold this view end up swallowing universalism and some even deny the faith.. Hyperpreterism results in an endless cycle - a chronic hysteresis - and leaves little to spur us on to victory. The history of the Bible does contain repeated patterns, but there is always a progression from childhood to maturity. Our history will have an end, and it will be glorious victory."
Steve Atkerson (Historical Preterist): Audio/Video: Iron Sharpens Iron Critical of "Hyper Preterism": Show One (mp3), Show Two (mp3), Show Three (mp3) - Defending "the physical, visible, bodily return of Jesus"

C. Michael Patton: Why I Don't Teach Preterism (2008) "It looks like I am getting some flack from some passionate Preterists (full or hyper Preterist, not partial preterists) who say I don’t give them a fair shake in The Theology Program material.. Preterism is a funny thing. It is something that causes quite a bit of passionate adherence, the degree to which shows great imbalance. The reason why we don’t cover it in TTP is because it is neither significant historically or contemporary. I know that this might seem like an arrogant statement to those who hold this position, but I feel I am qualified enough to make this assertion in good conscience."

Mello Study Archive: Mello, “about to be” or “certainly will” that is the question. (2008) Showing signs of delusional thought Hyper Preterist 2 makes the claim that all the translators of the English Bible versions conspired together to suppress the actual meaning of the word. The claim of HP1 is at best merely a demonstration of ignorance fueled by some bad information and an unwillingness to test the validity of a claim or at worst is evidence of intellectual dishonesty in knowingly conveying an illegitimate concept, that being the range of meaning for “Mello” was restricted. However, the claim of HP2 leads one to wonder how many cards are in the decks of these purveyors of heresy. In fashion akin to a Hollywood fiction flick, HP2 was positing a mass conspiracy and cover-up. Forsaking their academic calling, according to HP2, the translators of Scripture had assigned a “fuzzy” meaning just to hinder the truth from coming out."

C. Michael Patton: Is the Hyper-Preterist Gospel a Different Gospel? - Part Two (2008) "try as I may to understand and find some degree of legitimacy in your theology, I can’t. I am still not ready to say that it is damnable, but it seems to me to be an extremely serious departure from some essential elements in the Gospel. No matter how one defines orthodoxy, I cannot find a place for the eschatology of the hyper-Preterist. It is about as far as one can deviate from the beaten path."

C. Michael Patton: Is the Hyper-Preterist Gospel a Different Gospel? (2008) "During this program I said that hyper-preterism is definitely unorthodox, finding its antithetical opposite affirmed from the earliest Christianity until now by all traditions of Christianity (Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant). All Christians have always affirmed that Christ’s return, the resurrection of the dead, judgment, and the new heavens and earth are yet future, even if we disagree about the details. However, I also said on the program that while this doctrine is an unorthodox or heretical view of eschatology, it is not a doctrine that is damnable in the sense that if one believes it, they are, by definition, not Christian.. I am beginning to seriously reconsider."

Keith Mathison: The Shape of Sola Scriptura (2001) "An important point that must be kept in mind is observed by the great ninteenth-century Princeton theologian Samuel Miller. He noted that the most zealous opponents of creeds "have been those who help corrupt opinions".. Another heresy that has been widely promoted with the assistance of the modern Evangelical version of solo scriptura is hyper-preterism" (Full book available online at Google) "while there are numerous internal squabbles over details, in general advocates of this doctrine insist that Jesus Christ returned in A.D.70 at the destruction of Jerusalem and that at that time sin and death were destroyed, the Adamic curse was lifted, Satan was cast into the lake of fire, the rapture and general resurrection occurred, the final judgment occurred, mourning and crying and pain were done away with, and the eternal state began."

Thomas Whittemore: A Commentary on the Revelation of St. John, the Divine (1848) "For our part, we are willing to confess, that if a man believes the Apocalypse was not written until after the destruction of Jerusalem, and if he believes in the common notions concerning the day of God's wrath, the judgment of the dead, the great dragon, the bottomless pit, &c., &c., he cannot understand the book. He will be continually hampered by his pre-conceived system ; and, in harmony with such a system, no probable interpretation can be given. Although Professor Stuart has produced an excellent work upon the Apocalypse, — the most consistent and valuable, we think of any we've have ever seen, — yet he was manifestly troubled and warped in his judgment in interpreting certain parts by his theological system, or creed, especially his belief in endless misery, and the popular notions of a future judgment. "

John Young: Jesus Did Not Return in AD70 (1999) "Preterism does not solve the problem of evil. Jesus said the field is the world. He said, "Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age. The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers." Matthew 13:40-41 (ESV) But evil still exists in this world and lawbreakers abound. Jesus' coming is still future."
Dave Hunt on Hyper Preterism: "They claim that Jesus Christ returned in fulfillment of His promise to come back to take us to heaven, He returned in the person of the Roman armies to destroy Jerusalem and to excommunicate Israel, and Israel is finished. Now if that is not wicked, and if that is not twisting the scriptures I don’t know what is."
John R. Ecob D.D. - (Hyper) Preterism Weighed and Found Wanting (2006 PDF) "Had any of the Apostles lived beyond AD70, surely they would have written volumes about seeing the Lord come in glory and power, yet there is a total absence of testimony from anyone seeing Christ appear in the heavens in AD70. Even John on the Isle of Patmos in AD70 would have seen the Lord, for according to Scripture the second advent of Christ will be seen universally; "every eye shall see him" (Rev. 1:7). John should have witnessed it in AD70 even though he was on the Isle of Patmos."
PreteristHeresy: Full Preterism Suffers from Inattentional Blindness "Now we have a NEW scientific name for Full Preterists who seem to be solely focus on time statements, or natural patterns that the miss the greatest and most obvious thing that they should be looking for. This phenomenon is called " *** Inattentional Blindness *** " as shown in this video. "

DEBATES WITH FUTURISTS

Tommy Ice & Rich Perry

Rapture Debate: Tommy Ice and Richard Perry - "Just over a year ago I had the opportunity to question and debate Dr. Thomas Ice on the timing of the rapture. Dr. Thomas Ice is the Executive Director of the Pre-Trib Research Center in Washington, DC, an organization founded by Tim LaHaye.

Larry Spargimino

Larry Spargimino
Was All Bible Prophecy Fulfilled By A.D.70? - L.S. "Even the Mark of the Beast is explained as a low - tech brand, used on slaves and animals. No microchip technology here! Christians need to be aware of those teachings that would turn "the blessed hope" into "the blasted hope."
Preterism and the Eclipse of Pre-millennialism - "Pre-millennialists do not have to create doomsday scenarios. They already exist. Denials of the critical nature of our present situation will not make the danger go away."
The Anti-Prophets: The Challenge of Preterism

Robert L. Garringer and John Noe

How to Read a Prophetic Time Clock - R.G. | Demanding Evidences Why Christ Returned - J.N. | Response to Noe's Seven Evidences - R.G. | A Counter-Response to Noe's Response - R.G. | Noe's Example of Radical Symbolism - R.G.

Buff Scott
The 70 A.D. Doctrine

Engbert Vander Werff

Did the Lord Return in 70 A.D.? | Reply to Kingdom Counsel

Stanley Toussaint

A Critique Of The Preterist View

Marc Gibson
"The AD 70 Doctrine Examined

J. Ligon Duncan, President, Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals: Attractions of the New Perspective(s) on Paul - "I find that Wright's overly realized eschatology is attractive to students today. Preterism is all the rage in some conservative Reformed circles these days. The "already and not yet" is out, and the "been there, done that" is in. NT eschatology, for the preterist, is retrospective and realized. Well, along comes Wright, with his very this worldly eschatology, and provides a high-powered academic justification for the low-rent forms of preterism circulating in some places today. And they love it. So I have found some students who have gotten into Wright via his eschatological approach to New Testament theology. "

Jerry Jenkins on the Second Coming of Christ - "I share the same sort of frustration with people who say, 'If it was supposed to be soon, why hasn't it happened in two thousand years?'"
"...surprisingly, their numbers are growing -- not because their arguments for what they are trying to believe are so convincing, but because many of their new followers have only heard one side of the argument." (Tim LaHaye, Has Jesus Already Come?, p. 7)

HyP ANATHEMAS BY FUTURISTS

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and his future Second Advent, and you shall be saved?

Bands Report
The Great Falling Away Has Begun - "There's a movement in America today that is hell bent on destroying The Word of God Almighty by first fabricating, then spreading, utterly false doctrines., specifically designed to trap YOU as a Christian into questioning your faith. And to cause you to believe in your heart that God is a liar, through a professionally designed system of indoctrination...it is by far the greatest threat to Christianity ever. It is in fact being perpetrated by experts who have been trained at creating, then disseminating, totally misleading, utterly false information, that seeks to cite various verses of the Bible: Then perversely twist them to serve their demonic cause, and quietly undermine your belief in God's Word; and in God Himself, through a proven method of brainwashing !!! This movement against Christianity is called "preterism"."

Stephen Cole
Are you ready for Christ's return? - "Although those who hold this view say that they are attempting to deal with the biblical texts, I believe that the extreme Preterists go outside the bounds of orthodoxy and are guilty of heresy."

Mark Copeland
Response to "The AD 70 Doctrine Examined" - "But even if one maintains his "faith" while holding to this doctrine, I still believe his soul will be lost. Why? Because he has denied the one "hope", which clearly includes the literal (read- fleshly) resurrection of the body from the dead."

Christian News
ANATHEMA: The Christian News - "the Christian News has thrown down the gauntlet with the charge of heresy against those who espouse Covenant Eschatology"

Faith Bible Church
Knowing the Love of Christ - "To deny the physical bodily resurrection of both Christ or the believer is a departure from the faith"

Marc Gibson
The AD 70 Doctrine Examined - "We must oppose this doctrine as false and damning to men's souls. It is complete mistreatment of God's holy word and the promises we are to take hope in."

Mark Horne
Why Side with the Sadducees? - "To deny the bodily resurrection is to either deny salvation from sin or to deny that human death is a curse for sin. This is gnosticism, not Christianity."

Jesus-Messiah
Was Matthew 24 Fulfilled? - Refuting the Preterist Heresy | Prophecy interpreted Messianic "The preterist heresy should be totally rejected even if it is called "partial preterist." We should expect for the conclusion of Jesus' prophecy concerning the casting down of the stones to be finalized at the end of the tribulation time period just before the second coming of Jesus." (New Covenant Messianic Judaism)
Matthew 10:23 and Pret Heresy

James Lloyd
Scoffers: Preterists and II Peter 3 "While the preterists love to quote verses that seem to show the New Testament writers taught that they were in the last days at that time, they almost universally avoid verse 3 of chapter 3 in II Peter. "If you are abiding in preterism, you are enveloped in a profound spiritual darkness that places you in the soul destroying peril of following “another gospel.” If you are abiding in pre-tribulationism, you are in a deadly delusion and walking in such a spiritually wicked false doctrine that your path is directly heading towards the lake of fire"

Parnell McCarter
The Heresy of Preterism -'Consistent preterism' is fundamentally flawed and dangerously heretical.

David Roth
Knowing the Love of Christ - "There is a heretical movement today that has gained some popularity which denies the future physical bodily resurrection of the believer. This movement is known by terms such as "full-Preterism" or "consistent Preterism" i.e. "heretical Preterism" or "hyper-Preterism."

Standard Bearer
Anathema of Preterism

Tim Stoudt
Topics of Concern Regarding Preterism - "Satan the source of Preterist doctrine.. This is a heavy statement. One is using strong words whenever he says about anyone that they have been taken captive by the devil and their actions are now actually accomplishing the devil's will. Yet, the context surrounding the passage leads us to apply this to the preterist in particular, as it was apparently meant for the preterists plaguing the early church in Paul's day. However, to those who may think this is a rather strong statement, does it not really provide the only reasonable explanation for a person hanging onto a doctrine with the characteristics discussed in the next section?"

Tribulation Forces
The Heresy of Preterism -'Consistent preterism' is fundamentally flawed and dangerously heretical.

Stephen Wiggins
Max Kingism: An Unkingly Heresy - "See? It's not new. But like a sassy, old woman prancing around in a miniskirt, King thinks he'll get some lookers if he can dude up his ancient heresy in chic garb of the 20th century. But we know better."

HyP ANATHEMAS BY PRETERISTS

Kim Riddlebarger
"full preterists teach that the resurrection—which, they say, is not bodily but spiritual—has already occurred. To teach, as full preterists do, that Christ has already returned and that the resurrection occurred in A.D. 70 at the time of the destruction of Jerusalem is heresy, according to the apostle Paul.” (A Case For Amillennialism: Understanding The End Times, 239)

WELS Q&A on Preterism - "Most forms of the Preterist view could be classified as a liberal form of interpreting scripture which denies the truthfulness of Scripture."

Richard Barcellos
Some Thoughts on HyperPreterism - "I view it as neo-Hymenaenism, a damning heresy, idle babbling, a cancer which must be cut out immediately!"

Prof. David J. Engelsma
Timely questions about Preterism - "This is heresy. It is gross denial of the second coming of Christ and, with it, the resurrection of the dead, the final judgment, and the renewal of the creation of the heaven and the earth. No one can possibly fail to detect the false doctrine."

GARBC
Resolution Concerning Preterism and the Future, Physical Fulfillment of Biblical Prophecies (2005) General Association of Regular Baptists "THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that we, the messengers of the churches in fellowship with the General Association of Regular Baptist Churches, meeting for our 73rd Annual Conference in Lakeland, Florida, June 28—July 1, 2005, solemnly reaffirm our belief that many Biblical prophecies still await future, physical fulfillment"

Chalcedon
On Preterism - "hyperpreterists"....[are] preachers of a false gospel. Let these enemies of Christ and His Kingdom be "anathema maranatha."

Christ Kirk
Statement on Neo-Hymenaeanism "Neo-Hymenaeanism stands with all other deviations from orthodox Christianity as an attempt to cloak its heresy within orthodox terminology while its true nature is destructive of the faith. Consequently, its adherents are in grievous danger of damning their own souls. May God in His mercy grant them understanding to see and to turn from their error and may His people "avoid worldly and empty chatter, for it will lead to further ungodliness, and . . . spread like gangrene" (2 Tim 2:16f). "

Stephen J. Cole
Are you ready for Christ's return? - "Although those who hold this view say that they are attempting to deal with the biblical texts, I believe that the extreme Preterists go outside the bounds of orthodoxy and are guilty of heresy."

Harvest Church
Committee Paper on Full Preterism (PCA) - Taped Refutation Offer

Brandon Kraft
Hyper-Preterism Renounced - "For the last couple of years, I have struggled with the doctrines of hyper preterism. The doctrines also known as “realized eschatology” or “covenant eschatology” or “full preterism” teaches that the eschatological events of Scripture were entirely fulfilled in 70 AD with the destruction of Jerusalem. Conservative preterists or “partial preterists” like me have no doubt that many of the eschatological prophecies of Scripture were fulfilled in 70 AD. However, we still hold to the belief that there remains a future coming of Christ, along with a future physical resurrection of the dead."

Keith Mathison
A Brief Reponse to the Full Preterist Criticisms of Dr. Kelly Nelson Birks - "Dr. Birks has associated himself with a movement, which by radically altering the doctrine of the resurrection of believers, has in fact made the historical gospel of the Church "into a salvation-forfeiting lie." Many people, including Dr. Birks, do not seem to be aware of the devastating implications of full-preterism. It is not simply another debate over some minor side issue in eschatology. It is a profound distortion and rejection of some of the cardinal non-negotiable tenets of historic Christian orthodoxy. "

Dr. Gary North
"I recommend the immediate public recantation and personal repentance of Russell's theology (Preterism). Barring this, I recommend the heretic's excommunication by his church's judicial body. The elders should allow the accused member to identify the heresy for which he is then excommunicated." | Vern Crisler "His [David Chilton's] heart attack disrupted his ability to think clearly. It distorted his judgment. From his public outburst against Vern Crisler -- for which he later repented, admitting that he cannot think straight these days -- until this self-burial of his pre-1994 writings, David Chilton has gone off the deep end. He has now become self-damaged goods delivered on the doorstep of Max King." | Gary North's RpP "Eulogy" to David Chilton, Former RpP Leader

Stephen Pegler
Answering Preterism: Did Jesus Return in A.D.70? "So, is preterism a heresy? Can it exist with historical Christianity? Full-blown preterism probably is a heresy, although the verdict may still be out. All parties should admit that a full preterism is not compatible with the Creeds and Confessions. To go against the Creeds and Confessions is not damning or indicative of heresy in of itself, but it should raise many cautions. Preterists need to admit that they are advocating an almost total rewrite of not only eschatology (cosmic and personal) but also ecclesiology, sanctification, and many other doctrines. It is literally a different kind of Christianity and is incompatible with historical Christianity. This makes full-fledged preterism highly suspicious, but not heretical if it can be demonstrated that it is Scriptural. "

Pristine Faith Restoration
Preterism "A very destructive system of interpreting prophecy. Preterism is much more than merely just another eschatology. It has far reaching implications in nearly every area of theology, including the nature of the atonement and denial of the resurrection of the body. PFRS believes this false system should be classified as "heresy" because it denies fundamental doctrines of the Christian Faith."

Reformed Church, U.S.A.

Jay Rogers
Christianity and the Cults - "Although not a large group, Hymanaeism is a grave threat to biblical orthodoxy. Hymenaeism is a primary heresy, far more serious than Chiliasm or dispensationalism, as it completely denies one of the essential tenets of the Apostles and Nicene Creeds, that Christ will come again, physically to the earth, to judge the living and the dead"

For Garret per Q/A on how AD70 is only a shadow to Jesus:

A "Preterist-Idealism" POV would recognize the "covenant shift" from old to new elements/stoicheia as being focused on the personal exodus out of sin and into ultimate aionian perfection promised to those in Jesus Christ. This personal transition period from darkness to Light conforms to the experiential history of probably every true disciple of the Lord and has to do with the very real struggle that continues against sin and death in the post AD70 world. This is opposed to the HyP idea that the old elements/stoicheia were destroyed along with the temple in Jerusalem (which fundamentally changes things by flipping shadow & Substance into opposite positions). Futurism makes the same mistake of chronological limitation.. except that its historical eschaton has not yet come. Underlined text emphasizes the salvific work of Son and Spirit in translating the redeemed from old to new:

Peter J. Leithart: "Paul expresses amazement that the Galatians could return to the “weak and poor elements” after being liberated by Christ (Galatians 4:9). But were the elements always so weak and beggarly? It seems not. They were powerful enough to enslave (4:3). To be sure, they enslaved children, but that does take some power. Further, Paul describes the former life of the Galatians as a life under (hupo) the stoicheia, an expression that parallels Paul’s talk of enslavement under the law (3:23) and under guardians and managers (4:2). Again, this suggests that the stoicheia have some power.

Or, they did. God sent His Son and then His Spirit to redeem from the stoicheia and elevate us to sons (4:4-6). Paul is drawing on the exodus story, placing the stoicheia and the law in the position of defeated Pharaoh [the representative of the power of sin - td]. Once Pharaoh was powerful; but after the plagues and the exodus he was “weak and beggarly.” So too the “elements.” But this means, of course, that the elements exercised some genuine power prior to the missions of the Son and Spirit." (Weak Elements)

The Eschaton separating the old heavens and earth from the new is passable only through the Door, Jesus Christ. This idea is expressed by Paul's declaration that "if any be in Christ they are a new creation.. all things become new" (II Cor. 5:17) Crossing a historical mark is not sufficient to leave the elements behind and enter into the Messianic Age. One must be "found worthy" to enter (Lk. 20:35). Conversely, those not in the sheepfold are still weak children and are slaves to Pharaoh, the King of Sin (Egypt). Once Preterism is replaced with Idealism in Leithart's quote he perfectly describes this biblical worldview. As an example, removing the 'd' at the end of the word exercise in his final sentence reveals: "But this means, of course, that the elements exercise some genuine power prior to the missions of the Son and Spirit." (This covenant blessing is only available for those of the Covenant. I believe that making the fulfillment of these things universal among all mankind is one of the pathways into heresy naturally built into HyP; Futurism would probably do the same with its eschaton, but it benefits from this being yet future, allowing that body to maintain the posture of "earnest expectation" seen (without fail, except for perhaps Theophany) throughout Christian history ; HyP does not allow this posture of faith, sense of nearness, nor earnest expectation for the blessed hope.) Now try replacing 'sent' with 'sends': "God sent His Son and then His Spirit to redeem from the stoicheia and elevate us to sons (4:4-6)" - call me anytime. TD

FUTURIST ARGUMENTS AGAINST HP

Michael Adams
Michael Adams' Anti-Preterist Articles - Matthew 24: The Achilles Heel of Full Preterism, Full Preterism and the Lord's Supper - Questions for Full Preterists

Apocalypsis
A short introduction to Preterism. - "Some of you will have come across the word 'preterist' either through reading or on the web, probably from the Preterist Archive. This is a short introduction to explain what it is. I have used Todd Dennis's article "An Introduction to Preterism" for some of what follows."

Bands Report
The Great Falling Away Has Begun - "There's a movement in America today that is hell bent on destroying The Word of God Almighty by first fabricating, then spreading, utterly false doctrines., specifically designed to trap YOU as a Christian into questioning your faith. And to cause you to believe in your heart that God is a liar, through a professionally designed system of indoctrination...it is by far the greatest threat to Christianity ever."
The Naked Preterist - "Although there - is - no such word or term as "preterist" in any dictionary: The preterists could not have possibly chosen a better name for their demonic cult. "

Cephas Ministries
What is the Preterist View? "To realize that Preterism is not scriptural is to simply read the Book of Revelation, the last book in the Bible. We can't just leave that whole book out of Scripture as the Preterists would have to do to get around a future Second Coming."

J.R.C.
This Generation - Matthew 24 - "Very simply, until the word of God was completed (Col.1:25), one could not say to a certainty that a particular declaration of God's revealed will concerning things to come was also a declaration of His actual intention concerning things to come."

Mal Couch - President, Tyndale Seminary
The Fatal Mistakes of Preterism - "While many Preterists are not liberal in their overall theology, this movement leads to liberalism. If all the language of Scripture pertaining to the Second Coming of Christ is not to be taken historically and in a normal sense, then why not take the virgin birth of Christ, for example, or other miracles in a "spiritualized" way, as the Preterists do in reference to prophecy?"
Preterism and Exegetical Error - "While the entire verse of Acts 1:11 describes a literal taking up of the Lord into heaven, how He comes again is the focus that is most important. Notice how the disciples saw (“blepo”) visually His bodily ascension, in like manner He will return—visually and literally. Concerning that return the Greek text reads - President of Tyndale Seminary "The Scofield Reference Bible had far greater impact on teaching and winning the average man to Christ than can be imagined."

Melvin Curry
Was A.D.70 the End?

DOV Ministries
Absolute Refutation of Preterism - "Preterism serves no useful purpose for preterists today except to refute the futurists. That is a colossal waste of time. The preterists should devote all of their time to sharing the Gospel with the lost, not trying to convert futurists, historicists and others to their doctrine. Their false doctrine cannot edify anyone or further the spread of the Gospel. It can only confuse and hinder the spread of the Gospel and cause dissension within the body of YAHSHUA (Gal. 5.20)."
Preterist Rapture Challenge - "If you believe that the Rapture took place in 70 A.D. at the alleged Second Advent of YAHSHUA IMMANUEL YAHWEH of Nazareth the Mashiyach (a.k.a. Jesus Christ) please take this challenge."

Rusty Entrekin
A Scriptural Critique of Full Preterism in Light of Matthew 24 and Related Passages "there is insufficient reason to claim that the words of Jesus in Matthew 24 were intended for the 12 disciples only, or that all of these words had to find fulfillment in their lifetimes. As we read this passage, it is therefore important that we keep in mind that Jesus may be speaking to all believers, not just to his disciples."
Their Flesh Rests In Hope - The Apostolic Fathers and Early Apologists Looked Forward to the Resurrection of the Flesh
Examining the Logical Foundations of Preterism - "I believe that the evangelism of the cities of Israel was interrupted by the war associated with 70 AD, and is still not complete. To prove otherwise, you would have to provide historical evidence that the gospel has been thoroughly proclaimed in each city by born again, evangelical church planters."

Joey Faust
Forgy - Faust
John Noe's Preterism Refuted

David Friedman
Does I Corinthians 15 teach a physical or spiritual resurrection?

Robert L. Garringer
How to Read a Prophetic Time Clock | Response to Noe's Seven Evidences | A Counter-Response to Noe's Response | Noe's Example of Radical Symbolism

Tony Garland
Revelation 1:7: Past or Future? - "John wrote that "every eye will see Him" and that "all the tribes of the earth will mourn" when He appears. Did Jesus "appear" to the Jewish tribes at the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 as preterism maintains? Or are there reasons for understanding this passage to teach a future event of world-wide impact? Thankfully, we need not be overly concerned about the persistence of preterism because the plain meaning of the Biblical text stands opposed to its foundational teachings." | Preterism "Full or consistent preterism is heterodox."

Bill Grimes
"All That Are in the Graves Shall Come Forth" - "Why the Resurrection Spoken of in John 5:28-29 Can Only Refer to Actual Bodies Coming Out of The Graves"
Four Biblical Reasons Why AD70 Cannot be the Second Parousia of Jesus - "the AD70 sack of Jerusalem was strictly a local judgment on that generation of Jews for the following reasons."
A Letter to a Full Preterist - "In reading the above passages that I have quoted to you and others the “particulars of the words” lead me to believe that they are to be taken literally. History teaches us that Jesus’ words in Matthew 24:1-35 were fulfilled quite literally in the cloud judgment that fell upon Jerusalem and Israel in AD70 at the hands of the Romans. This fact encourages me, because I know that when the Second Parousia does come, it will come in the same fashion as Jesus and the Apostles described it."
Matthew 16:28 A Time Statement for What? - "Evil still thrives. Just look around you. You see diseases, death, murder, economic oppression, genocide, hate, pride, fornication, adultery, etc. The list goes on and on. In 2 Peter 3, Simon Peter compares the future destruction of this world by fire to the worldwide flood of Noah. God destroyed all evil by a flood of real, wet water. He will destroy it again by a real, hot fire. It is contrary to God’s holiness for Him to allow evil to persist forever, which is what full Preterists are suggesting. "
Jots, Tittles, and the Kingdom of Heaven - "So, are we in the new heavens and the new earth? No, for the reasons I have stated in my most recent article, A Letter to a Full Preterist. If not, is it true that not one jot or tittle has passed from the law? Yes, God’s word stands forever. None of God’s Word will fail or pass away.Is the Old Covenant Law still binding then in every jot and tittle? If not, why not? No, because Jesus finished the work which He came to do."

Tommy Ice
Self-Fulfilling Prophecy - Pre-Trib Research Center "Full Preterists John Anderson and Don Preston regularly have scare programs on the dangers of dispensationalism on their daily radio program that can be heard on the Internet at the following: Listen to John Anderson's "Voice of Reason" program.. for this kind of rhetoric."

Kenneth Kirkland
The Past-Trib Blasphemy - "To the preterists, its ALL IN THE PAST! Whoopee! Now, then…with dread out of the way, let’s have REVIVAL! How wonderful. More accurately, how insidious." A Closer look at Past-trib

Parnell McCarter
The Heresy of Preterism -'Consistent preterism' is fundamentally flawed and dangerously heretical.
Matthew 24 is NOT for the church | Articles - Showing the Consequences of Pre-trib dispensational theology
Defending against Preterism - "Preterists maintain that the events of Revelation were fulfilled by AD70. For this to be true they maintain that the book of Revelation was written in 66-68 AD and they do some interesting tricks to try to make people believe it was. The common school of thought is that Revelation was written around 95AD which brings the Preterist point of view to a grinding halt."
Why Preterism is Erroneous "What I can’t comprehend is how they feel this way. For preterists the prophecies of the Old Testament were PHYSICALLY fulfilled and can be realized literally from how the prophecies were written. That being said however they believe prophecies of the New Testament were fulfilled spiritually and anyone who tries to understand the prophetic verses of the New Testament literally, as they are written are wrong, misled and borderline blasphemous."
A Critique of "The Beast of Revelation," and "Before Jerusalem Fell" | Historicist vs. Preterist Debate | Parnell McCarter Response to Charges | A Response to "Full Preterism" | Preterism Refuted - The Historicism Research Foundation | Non-Preteristic Biblical Historicism (PDF File)

Narrow Way
Preterism: Clear and Present Danger! "Its venom is spreading rapidly with those who find it hard to persevere and endure sound doctrine."

Nearing Midnight Ministries
Preterism! I Can't Believe It "What is preterism? This theory argues that all Bible prophecy has been fulfilled; nothing remains on the prophetic calendar. Events like the rise of Antichrist, the tribulation, the rapture, and the Day of the Lord all took place around 70 AD - the year the Roman's invaded Jerusalem and destroyed the second Temple. I just cannot understand how anyone can follow a preterist line of thinking in the light of current world events. I've largely ignored preterism because I see as equivalent to the Flat Earth Society. "

Bob Passantino
Did We Miss The End? - "Seraiah earned a Master of Divinity degree from Reformed Theological Seminary in Orlando, Florida. He is a postmillennial preterist, making his criticisms of pantelism all the more weighty. As such, he is well within orthodox Christian belief, and his views find company with contemporary authors such as R. C. Sproul and Gary DeMar, as well as some prominent theologians throughout church history. A careful examination of his book leaves readers with a clear understanding of orthodox preterism and of why pantelism should be rejected as an aberrant approach to comprehending Scripture."

Steven Pegler
Answering Preterism: Did Jesus Return in A.D.70? "So, is preterism a heresy? Can it exist with historical Christianity? Full-blown preterism probably is a heresy, although the verdict may still be out. All parties should admit that a full preterism is not compatible with the Creeds and Confessions. To go against the Creeds and Confessions is not damning or indicative of heresy in of itself, but it should raise many cautions. Preterists need to admit that they are advocating an almost total rewrite of not only eschatology (cosmic and personal) but also ecclesiology, sanctification, and many other doctrines. It is literally a different kind of Christianity and is incompatible with historical Christianity. This makes full-fledged preterism highly suspicious, but not heretical if it can be demonstrated that it is Scriptural. "

Stanley Phillips
A Refutation of Preterism: Second Peter, Chapter 3 - "With the advent of the Internet, the preterists' view of eschatology (last times) has taken on an organized, consistent, and evangelical nature. Heretofore, elements of the system were scattered, and most often incoherent. But today, it has evolved into a very subtle, coherent, and well-defined system of theology.

Interestingly, some preterists refer to their theological position as "fulfilled eschatology." One finds this in literature offered on the Internet, but the term is a synonym to preterism. But, while stating that their position is that all the prophecies of end times were fulfilled in a.d. 70, there is at least one that is now being fulfilled. And this one is the rise of preterism itself in the last day."

Joe Price
The Second Coming of Christ: Did it Already Occur? - "Why has 70 A.D. been made such a focal point in this false doctrine? While several answers could be offered which address this question, I submit that the underlying reason for this doctrinal error rests upon a perverted interpretation of the allegory found in Galatians 4:21-31. In this allegory, the A.D. 70 advocate believes that he finds comfort and support for his doctrine. Instead, he finds a refutation of it! "

Buff Scott
The 70 A.D. Doctrine

Ed Tarkowski
The Early Church Fathers: No Preterist Resurrection - "During the first 400 years of the early Church after 70 A.D., the Fathers defended the truth of a future, bodily resurrection. None of them stated otherwise, nor did they refute others that it had already occurred. For 1900 years, the Church has believed in a future resurrection from the dead at the glorious, visible, in-the-sky return of Jesus Christ when every eye will see Him personally. "

Prophecy Truth
Biblical Proof for an End Times Seven Year period - "There was no mark of the beast system (666), where if a person refused the mark, they couldn't buy or sell. Finally, the Second Coming visibly did not take place 1290 days after the destruction in 70 AD. The Roman armies continued their dominance for hundreds of years. The people of the earth were not judged visibly standing before the Messiah. And Isaiah 65 was not fulfilled where people's lifespans increased so much, that a youth would die at the age of one hundred years. Only a foolish person would believe or teach that 70 AD fulfilled all the prophecies."

Bill Reeves
The Preterist View Heresy "About a year ago Brother Max King, of Warren, Ohio, came out with his new book, entitled The Spirit Of Prophecy, advocating a Preterist-View of prophecy. This teaching has caused a mild furor among the liberal brethren wherever it has had a hearing. The following series of articles will review this novel doctrine, as set forth in a series of lectures by King before the Brookwood Way church of Christ, Mansfield, Ohio, in the summer of ‘70, in several presentations which he and C. D. Beagle made before groups of liberal preachers last year (‘71) (and also recorded), and in King’s book."

John J. Reilly
Book Review: Beyond the End Times
Preterism

Jay Rogers
Christianity and the Cults "Although not a large group, Hymanaeism is a grave threat to biblical orthodoxy. Hymenaeism is a primary heresy, far more serious than Chiliasm or dispensationalism, as it completely denies one of the essential tenets of the Apostles and Nicene Creeds, that Christ will come again, physically to the earth, to judge the living and the dead"

Bob Ross
Was ANY Prophecy Fulfilled in AD 70?- "For A. D. 70 to be a fulfillment of Matthew 24, it would necessarily mean that it is also the fulfillment of Daniel 11 [see Matthew 24:15], yet there is simply NO Scriptural correlation that can be made between Daniel 11 and the events of A. D. 70."
"Preterist Prophetic Phantasyland"
The Jewish Origins of Preterism
The Historical Background of Modern Preterism - "there have been some elements of preterism presented in the various and multitudinous writings by all schools of prophetic studies"
Preterist Pranksters Practice Prophetic Perfidy Pertaining to Prophetic Pronouncements by Spurgeon

David Roth
Knowing the Love of Christ - "There is a heretical movement today that has gained some popularity which denies the future physical bodily resurrection of the believer. This movement is known by terms such as "full-preterism" or "consistent preterism" i.e. "heretical preterism" or "hyper-preterism."

Louis Ruggiero
Refuting Full Preterism - "Like any other cult such as the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, Full Preterists feed on those who are unlearned and untaught. Indoctrination can be a terrible thing, and when one becomes indoctrinated into the precept of men, escaping its bondage can become unbearably difficult. " "Full Preterism is an empty doctrine, which offers no hope of a better life and a better future. It tears away at God's promise to the world of everlasting peace and tranquility that will be accomplished at Jesus' Second Coming. If Jesus came in 70 AD as the Full Preterists claim, He didn't do a very good job establishing world peace"

Gene Shaparenko
Preterism... the Church's Final Apostacy "Preterists have an uncontrollable penchant for parsing various scriptural words and phrases, relying on what they believe are relevant greek or latin translations which support a prior assumption. Former President Bill Clinton was a master of this parsing process in his evasive testimony regarding his fornication activities in the White House and other locations. Preterists don't seem to be able to grasp the entirety of the Holy Scriptures, rather looking for isolated proof texts upon which to create an entirely new Gospel and eschatology."

John Shepard
Problems with Full Preterism - "But in full preterism, the end is 70 A.D. so the resurrection is no longer considered to be a physical, material, bodily resurrection, but becomes a spiritual event. And what about believers who die after 70 A.D.? How do they participate in the resurrection? In my opinion, these verses are fatal to the full preterist position."

Standard Bearer
Timely Questions About Preterism - "preterism strips us of salvation" ; "grievous heresy"

John Stevenson
Why I am Not a Preterist "But such an interpretation would demand that the Jews who suffered through the A.D. 70 event would have recognized that their sufferings were a punishment for their treatment of Jesus since the prophecy is not merely that they would mourn, but that they would mourn "over Him." Just as there is no evidence that anyone in the church ever recognized the fall of Jerusalem as the return of Jesus, so also there is a complete absence of evidence that the Jews ever recognized the coming of Jesus in those events."

Tim Stoudt
Topics of Concern Regarding Preterism - "Satan the source of Preterist doctrine..Although the doctrine seems strange from a conventional viewpoint, it has recently acquired a number of adherents."

David B. Updegraff
Old Corn: Or, Sermons and Addresses on the Spiritual Life (1892) "THE effort to make people believe that the promised parousia [coming] of our Lord took place at the "destruction of Jerusalem" tends to mislead souls, blot out the Christian's hope, and destroy the value of Scripture as a definite testimony to anything." (p. 278)

Engbert Vander Werff
Did the Lord Return in 70 A.D.? - "70 AD'ers accept the claim by modernists that our Lord and His Apostles expected the world to end in the lst century-here they have entered on a wrong and dangerous track!"
Reply to Kingdom Counsel

Jack Van Impe
6/19/2 Attack on Preterism "Preterism is sweeping in the evangelical churches"
Jack's 2002 Refutation of Preterism | 9/21/2 Attack on Preterism "I believe they are the ignorant brethren of First Thessalonians 4:13."
July 17 - Commenting on The 9.5 Theses (RealMedia) "I received a letter from one of the leaders this week, and they had the 9.5 Theses, and it was soooo pathetic. I do not know of one name on the list that is one of the great scholars of the day, but this thing is infiltrating our churches. How could every prophecy, and this is called PRUTERISM (sic), have been fulfilled by 70 AD? And therefore meaning that there is nothing left. Everything happened over 1,930 years ago. I am going to deal with this more next week, so let others know to tune in and I will be devoting most of the program to the subject, so let the people know."

Vurel Vick
The Second Coming of Christ: Did it Occur in A.D.70? "It is difficult to see how anyone can say that the resurrection is passed, and that there will be no resurrection of the dead from their graves. Every where people continue to die. There are thousands and tens of thousands of graves every where you look, and so it is evident that the resurrection has not come, and that death has not been destroyed."

Bill Lee Warner
Did Jesus Already Return in AD70? - "The phrase "this generation", as used by Jesus in Matthew 24:34, clearly is not the generation of people living when He first gave the Olivet teaching."

Tim Warner
"To help bolster their theory that New Testament prophecy was fulfilled by 70 AD, Preterists at some point usually turn to the historical record for support. We have already pointed out one example of this, the Preterists' appeals to Nero as the antichrist. Another example are the Preterists' desire to use unbelieving historians such as Josephus to back up their claims. (We will go into a more detailed analysis of both of these momentarily.) In this section we will assume Preterists will not retract their appeals to historic events. (However, it should be noted that Preterists are quite fond of appealing to the historical record when it suits them and then using appeals to Luke 17 to deny its relevance whenever it contradicts them.)

Now we will take a comparative look at the history surrounding the Roman siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD and the Biblical details of the antichrist, his empire, and the returning Christ to see if the two match up. We will find two things. First, the two do not match up. There is great discrepancy between the historical events of those days and the Biblical prophecies. These stark differences clearly prevent us from accepting the Preterist theory that these Biblical prophecies came to pass in 70 AD. Second, in attempting to reconcile the two, Preterists completely twist, distort, and even reverse some of the relationships presented in the Biblical passages they claim to be finding fulfilled in the historical record.

As we have mentioned in depth earlier, Preterists will always at some point attempt to use the historical record to prove their theory. We will begin this section by analyzing one specific example of this practice. We will then use that example as a jumping point to demonstrate the clear discrepancies between the historical record and the details of the New Testament prophecies concerning the coming of the antichrist, the mark of the beast, and the return of Jesus Christ. We will start with a quote from II Thessalonians.

By pointing to an actual historical figure, Preterists are conceding that the details of New Testament end time prophecy can and should occur literally in recorded history. As such, they subject the Preterist theory to criticism based on a comparison of history and Biblical prophecy."
http://www.biblestudying.net/studies.html#preterism

Steve Wohlberg
Preterism's "Proof Text" Analyzed - "Thus when Preterists argue that "all these things" INCLUDE the Second Coming and must have occurred in 70 AD, they are not sticking closely enough to the actual words of Jesus Christ. The truth is, "all these things" (relating to the destruction of the temple) did occur in 70 AD before that generation passed, just like Jesus Christ said."

Alan Yusko
Preterism, Another Prophetic Deception - "To be honest I've never given Preterism much thought. I've always felt it was a totally crazy position with very few followers. Therefore, as I rule, I have ignored this prophetic view. Preterism is nothing more than satanic deception, Scripture twisting, and wrongly dividing God's prophetic Word. These people will quote and misquote Scripture as good as any Jehovah Witness to teach about their error. Be warned and remove your self from such deception. "

Fred Zaspel
Preterism and Biblical Prophecy - Was all prophecy fulfilled? "This flaw is evident in Preterism's understanding of the NT teaching that Jesus / the Kingdom will come "soon." This was Albert Schweitzer's observation, and it led him to conclude that Jesus was sadly mistaken. But does the NT lead us in this way? It does indeed announce that the Kingdom is "near" (eggizo; e.g., Mk.1:15). But it also makes the bold announcement of the presence of the Kingdom. In Jesus the Kingdom has not only "come near"; it has come (ephthasen, Mat.12:28; cf., 11:11ff; Lk.17:21). Curiously, the preterist loves to emphasize the nearness of the Kingdom in the teaching of Jesus. But the problem is more difficult than that: Jesus taught not only that the Kingdom was near, but that it had come."

Keith Mathison, HP	Dr. Kelly Nelson Birks, HyP
A Brief Reponse to the Full Preterist Criticisms of Dr. Kelly Nelson Birks He fails to inform the reader that out of approximately 250 pages of text, I spent six chapters (or a little over 100 pages) going from Genesis through Revelation exegeting Scripture in order to substantiate my own position. Why Dr. Birks expects me to reproduce 100 pages of text in an appendix is a mystery to me.	Dr. Kelly Nelson Birks: Answering Mathison's Questions - Critiquing the "Brief Critique of Full Preterism." - All references to the Heavens and the Earth are Hebraic phrases for the religio-political government of a people group, including the idea of the expression for the Old Covenantal system of the Temple sacrificial system

Gary North, MP	David Green and Walt Hibbard, HyP
"Full Preterism" : Manichean or Perfectionist- Pelagian? "Presbyterian laymen who have been brought before the church's session because they are suspected of holding heretical preterism, and who persist in their commitment to heretical preterism by refusing to sign a statement that is consistent with the Westminster standards, must be removed from membership in the local congregation by excommunication."	Scripture's Anti-Dualistic Doctrine of the Eternality of Evil"Abstaining from painstaking exegesis in favor of broad-brushing over large blocks of Scripture won't do it. Abstaining from painstaking exegesis in favor of expounding on tradition (the Creeds) won't do it. Abstaining from painstaking exegesis in favor of trying to force-fit preterists into the mold of certain ancient heresies won't do it. If preterists are ever to be universally and authoritatively excommunicated, then sufficient evidence against the teaching must be presented. Where might this evidence be found? In Scripture? If so, the world awaits the painstaking exegesis from the preterist-haters."
Dualism's Doctrine of the Eternality of Evil: A Critique of Heretical Preterism Revision of: "Full Preterism" : Manichean or Perfectionist-Pelagian?	Gary North: Postmillennial or Neo-Manichean? "North courageously and publicly calls for creedal “revision.” Now that the preterists have arrived and the time for creedal revision has begun to appear on the horizon, North refuses to even momentarily consider the theory that the church has been in a serious, nonfatal eschatological error.. Instead, North rushes headlong to announce to the world an ecclesiastical and theological emergency on the level of Y2K."
	Walt Hibbard: A Courteous Response to Dr. Gary North's Vitriolic Essay "No early ecumenical creed, or confession that emanated from the Protestant Reformation has ever interpreted Christ's Olivet Discourse, or any part of it, from even a pseudo-preterist perspective."

Paul Manata	Michael Krall, HyP
Transcendental Argument Against HyperPreterism	Refuting the Transcendental Argument Against HyperPreterism \| More Refutation of Paul Manata's TAAHP Argument Regarding Liars in the New Heavens and Earth\| The Shoehorn Theology of Manata's TAAHP Argument

Jonathan Seraiah
The End of All Things - "They (Preterists) argue that Jesus did say His final return was in the first century (as per liberalism), and that He was right in what He said (as per dispensationalism). "