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• OrthodoxPreterist.Blogspot.Com

• Preterism from the Pulpit (2008) "I was asked to preach on Mark 13, the Olivet Discourse. Yes, the whole thing. In one sermon. That meant I had to be pretty simplistic about it, and I couldn’t go into a huge amount of depth. It was an introductory talk to an audience that had never really looked at the issue before (at least, it had never been spoken about in church). So basically, it’s an introduction to Mark 13, and therefore an introduction to preterism."

• Mello, “about to be” or “certainly will” that is the question. "Showing signs of delusional thought Hyper Preterist 2 makes the claim that all the translators of the English Bible versions conspired together to suppress the actual meaning of the word.  The claim of HP1 is at best merely a demonstration of ignorance fueled by some bad information and an unwillingness to test the validity of a claim or at worst is evidence of intellectual dishonesty in knowingly conveying an illegitimate concept, that being the range of meaning for “Mello” was restricted.  However, the claim of HP2 leads one to wonder how many cards are in the decks of these purveyors of heresy.  In fashion akin to a Hollywood fiction flick, HP2 was positing a mass conspiracy and cover-up.  Forsaking their academic calling, according to HP2, the translators of Scripture had assigned a “fuzzy” meaning just to hinder the truth from coming out."

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Bloodspawn-7K

• The Return: Past or Future? "Your handling of this controversy was exhaustive. Thank you. I appreciate your thorough exegesis on a very difficult subject.  While I have not been shaken from all things futurist, the preterist argument seems to have expanded my eschaton pallet.  I have a friend who is full-preterist/universalist and we have played exegetical badminton over these things for years. The dialogue has, I think, expanded both of us."

Bring the Books (Josh Walker, Adam Parker)

• Preterism for Dummies Like Me (Part 1): "First things first, on this blog, when either Josh or myself refer to Preterism, we are referring to the orthodox form of Preterism which says that though almost every Bible prophecy has been fulfilled, the second coming of Christ has not happened yet, and the resurrection has not happened yet. If we want to talk about the heretical form of Preterism, we will call it "Unorthodox Preterism" or "Hymenaean Preterism." There is no need for the term "Partial Preterist" here, because we won't let them hijack the name. We are orthodox Preterists, or just simply "Preterists."

Jared Coleman

• Why delectatio Dei?  "Lately I have come to really hate the word 'preterist' .. the word focuses on looking backward at a time when I am focused on looking forward (not without looking backward as well, of course). And third, while I still read many of the eschatological passages of scripture in a very similar (though in many cases not the same) way as others in that community, the language of the preterist community is woefully deficient and unless it changes it will never be able to project an adequate picture of the kingdom of God. That last statement is pretty strong, but I believe it just that strongly. Many of you may already agree and so I'm not going to list the reasons here, but if any of my preterist friends want to talk about it we can discuss it in the comments. So, I am not going to use this word to describe myself anymore."

Debunking Christianity (John Loftus)

• Debunking Christianity: Preterism is an Admission that Jesus Failed to Return - "if the Trinitarian God has always reigned over his world, then what difference did it make to the world in general that Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD? Presumably God (Father, Son, & Spirit) never had to ask anyone for permission to reign over his world. The Bible claims he just does, and that he always has done so. It really doesn't matter to God whether or not people acknowledge that he does--he just does. So if preterists are correct that God-in-Jesus started reigning in 70 AD, then who is Jesus now reigning over that he didn't reign over before then? So what difference did the destruction of Jerusalem make in the lives of anyone at all with regard to the reign of God-in-Jesus? "

Gary DeMar

• Gary DeMar's Blog "What made the Schaeffers (Francis and Frank) )believe that civil disobedience would bring about change when they couldn’t get enough Christians to vote for change? To advocate civil disobedience was an admission that no constructive alternative to the humanistic system existed, and the Schaeffers didn’t have one to offer. Being a critic is the first step, to be sure, but it must be followed with reconstruction, beginning with the individual, and then extending to include the family, church, business, economics, journalism, civil government and every other area of life.  Because of Schaeffer’s pessimistic eschatology—he was a classic (non-dispensational premillennialist)—he could not envision a long-term strategy for change. Civil disobedience seemed to be the only logical and practical alternative. "

David P. Field

• Review of Peter Leithart's "The Promise of His Appearing" 'Leithart gives a preterist reading of 2 Peter. He defines preterism as "the view that prophecies about an imminent "day of judgement" scattered throughout the New Testament were fulfilled in the apostolic age by the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70, the event that brought a final end to the structures and orders of the Old Creation or Old Covenant.”

HankHanegraaff.blogspot.com (Hank Hanegraaff)

• Rebuilt Temple vs. Dome of the Rock The destruction of the temple brought an end to the age of sacrifice for Jews in AD 70, but for Christians the age of the temple, like the age of the Law in the land, has already come to an end with the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. And yet, despite the fact that Jesus forever dispensed with the need for temple priests and sacrifice some two thousand years ago, Christian Zionists are bent on stoking the embers of Armageddon by scheming the destruction of yet another great Christian doctrine, and doing it by scheming the construction of another temple on the very spot where the Dome of the Rock now stands."

Historia Eclesiastica (Daniel Alejandro Flores)

• Bilingual Studies on Sayings of Jesus - "Christ saw in Jerusalem a symbol of the world hardened in unbelief and rebellion, and hastening on to meet the retributive judgments of God. The woes of a fallen race, pressing upon His soul, forced from His lips that exceeding bitter cry.  Jesus, looking down to the last generation, saw the world involved in a deception similar to that which caused the destruction of Jerusalem."

HYPERpreteristarchive.com (Todd Dennis)

• Matthew 16:27-28 is NOT a "Preterist Time Text" pointing to AD70 (2008) "If AD70 figures into the imagery of Matthew 16:27-28 at all (even though it is not mentioned, or even so much as hinted at in the text), it would be as a visible, external show of these very personal revelations (per Israel’s entire role as visible schoolmaster of invisible things). This is also likely considering both Jesus and Paul's correlation of the fall of the temple with the death of the body (John 2:19 ; 1 Cor. 3:17)"

Jake Magee

•  Cautioning Preterism - "I believe that this value for chronological fidelity is one that should be taken seriously and would do much to dispel much extravagant thinking within eschatology, as well as to enrich our understanding of history. However, I think many who support it have adopted an unfortunate and unnatural prophetic reductionism that makes the prophetic portraits of Scripture feel like wearing one’s high school pants – too tight and too restrictive. I contend that genre of language found in places like the Olivet Discourse and the book of Revelation allows for a more flexible reading of chronological markers (e.g., “this generation” “the time is near”), and in fact requires a qualified exception of the interpretive rule which says that the right interpretation is the one the audience would have understood."

Measuring Days (Jared Olivetti)

• Creeds vs. Hyper-Preterism "We ought to be thankful to God for the creeds of the church; we ought to know them, measure our beliefs by them, measure our teachers by them - not as a denial of sola Scriptura, but as the only real way of holding to sola Scriptura faithfully."

Nate4OneNation (Nathan Dubois)

• Scripture Interprets Scripture Part 1: The Covenants, The Jerusalems, The Flesh and The Spirit "Since most preterists agree that the kingdom is within and written on the heart and that the Spirit brought us to life and into an eternal covenant (the new covenant on the heart), then isn't the description of the Jerusalem from above warranted and accurate as a portrayal of our heart in Christ vs. the Jerusalem from below as our heart under the law?"

Peter Leithart

Preteristblog (Warren, Edwards, etc.)

• Mello, “about to be” or “certainly will” that is the question. "Showing signs of delusional thought Hyper Preterist 2 makes the claim that all the translators of the English Bible versions conspired together to suppress the actual meaning of the word.  The claim of HP1 is at best merely a demonstration of ignorance fueled by some bad information and an unwillingness to test the validity of a claim or at worst is evidence of intellectual dishonesty in knowingly conveying an illegitimate concept, that being the range of meaning for “Mello” was restricted.  However, the claim of HP2 leads one to wonder how many cards are in the decks of these purveyors of heresy.  In fashion akin to a Hollywood fiction flick, HP2 was positing a mass conspiracy and cover-up.  Forsaking their academic calling, according to HP2, the translators of Scripture had assigned a “fuzzy” meaning just to hinder the truth from coming out."

RiddleBlog (Kim Riddlebarger)

• Kim Riddlebarger Reviews The Apocalypse Code It is also highly problematic to argue that Christ returned (in a some form of parousia) with the events of 70 A. D. No doubt, the destruction of the temple marks the end of the Jewish era (not the end of "this age,") and it clearly led to the diaspora and the curse upon apostate Israel being tragically realized as foretold by Jesus in Matthew 23:37-39. But such does not constitute a "coming of Jesus." How many second comings are there? One or two? And isn't one of the criticisms of dispensationalists that they teach a "real coming" at the Rapture which no one sees?

Tribalogue (Paul Manata)

• No Fair, You're Cheating "What's he talking about? What was the "return" that the early church expected? A bodily one? The one where Jesus comes to judge the living and the dead, etc? Well, "partial-preterism" doesn't think that this "return" has happened. So it looks like Loftus doesn't understand either partial-preterism or early church history. Which is it partner?"

Questioning Biblical Christianity (Cordin)

• Jesus and the Point of no Return "Some have tried to explain the first destruction as a minor fulfillment of a future major world fulfillment because ‘obviously not “all these things” occurred in 70 CE or shortly thereafter.’ And that’s the point! It is only if one cannot accept that a prophecy of Jesus could fail do we need to explain it away. It is the Christians who, beforehand, accepting the Bible’s infallibility, are forced to continually reinterpret or excuse this prediction."

Say Hello to my Little Friend

• Preterism from the Pulpit (2008) "I was asked to preach on Mark 13, the Olivet Discourse. Yes, the whole thing. In one sermon. That meant I had to be pretty simplistic about it, and I couldn’t go into a huge amount of depth. It was an introductory talk to an audience that had never really looked at the issue before (at least, it had never been spoken about in church). So basically, it’s an introduction to Mark 13, and therefore an introduction to preterism."

Withdrawals of a Theological Junkie (Russell Warren)

• Reflections on the End of movements "I would, I guess, consider myself a cautious partial preterist, but no where near the "full" preterism I held in my (earlier) youth.. I remember some of the things that initially made me wary, while I was in the midst of being groomed as a future leader of the movement: sloppy exegesis and dependence on pagan thought for proof (one writer proved that the resurrection body was non-material by referencing, of all people, Plato...shudder). The fruits of that, I am finding out, are now becoming ever apparent. Universalism, the doctrine that all people are saved--whether just by existing or through the remedial means of post-mortem purgatory--is becoming popular and widespread amongst preterists.. This, and the fact that some non-universalist preterists claim that a "secret Rapture" occurred in AD 70, seals the coffin lid for me. "

World Without End (Adam Naranjo)

• Hyper Preterists Propose Too Much With Luke 21:22 If these hyper preterists want to take “all” - in “so that all things which are written will be fulfilled” - to mean literally every single prophecy (which is necessary for their interpretation of this passage) they would be bound to say that all of the prophecies in scripture were fulfilled at the destruction of the temple - including prophecies that don’t at all refer to those days of vengeance."