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"Praise the Lord, O Jerusalem: praise thy God, O Sion"
How doth the city sit solitary, that
was full of people!
How is she become as a widow! She that
was great among the nations,
and princess among the provinces, How is
she become tributary!
She weepeth sore in the night, and her
tears are on her cheeks:
among all her lovers she hath none to
comfort her.
Lamentations 1:1
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"O priests,
comfort ye, comfort ye my people. Speak to the
heart of Jerusalem, and say that she has
received of the Lord's hand double for her sins" (Isa.
xl. 1,2, LXX.)
"At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne
of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered
unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem:
neither shall they walk any more after the
imagination of their evil heart."
"O Jerusalem,
wash thine heart from wickedness, that thou mayest
be saved. How long shall thy vain thoughts lodge
within thee?" |
John Cassian
(420)
"The tropological sense is the moral explanation which has
to do with improvement of life and practical teaching, as if
we were to understand by these two covenants practical and
theoretical instruction, or at any rate as if we were to
want to take Jerusalem or Sion as the soul of man, according
to this: "Praise the Lord, O Jerusalem: praise thy God, O
Sion." (Conferences)
Peter J. Leithart
""[T]ropologically,
the history of Jerusalem can be understood as a model for
the history of the soul (secundum tropologiam).
Just as David conquered Jerusalem and set up the Lord's
throne there, so Jesus, His Son, conquers the inner city of
the sinner and consecrates him as a saint, a holy one."
(Ascent to Love, pp. 22)
Isaac Pennington
(1658)
"Now for the sakes of such as have been truly exercised in
their spirits by the Spirit of the Lord, (and have felt the
powerful work of his grace, and a building raised up by him)
and may yet be further exercised, I shall add this.
Jerusalem
was a type of an inward building in the spirits of God's
people"
Writers on the
"Tropological Sense" of Jerusalem

Total fulfillment of all of Israel's shadows, which are but applications
of eternal realities in Christ
Todd
Dennis
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Matthew 26:64 is NOT a "Preterist Time Indicator"
Pointing to AD70 "In short, the usage
of "Apo Arti" in Matthew 26:64 [Apo ("from" - Strongs 575) and Arti
("now on" - Strong's 737)] is highly suggestive of the themes that have
been previously offered at this blog ; that is, a series of revelatory
recognitions of the power and glory of Jesus Christ's dominance by
friend and foe alike. Though the typically pret-friendly Weymouth
translation would like to make Jesus say "later on, you will see.." this
is not really honest. I would rather say that it was simply a mistake,
but I find it impossible to believe that neither
Richard Francis Weymouth
("If this belief ever obtains general acceptance
the earlier date of the Apocalypse will also be regarded as fully
established. For it will then be seen that the book describes beforehand
events which took place in 70 A.D.") nor
Earnest Hampden-Cook
(co-editor and author of "The Christ
Has Come") were aware of the importance of this passage regarding their
Preterist assumptions. However, not only is there no sense of futurity
in this very emphatic Greek phrase, but rather we see quite the
opposite." -
Matthew 10:23 is NOT a "Preterist Time
Indicator" pointing to AD70 (2008)
"It has become a working assumption of Hyper Preterism that the "coming"
passages in the New Testament refer to AD70. And the eisegetical
presupposition that Matthew 10:23 is a "(Hyper) Preterist time indicator"
is considered to be unassailable, even though there is not a hint of
reference to AD70 in the text or context of the chapter from which to
support this conclusion."
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Matthew 16:27-28 is Not About AD70
(2008) "Why would we expect the Lord to perform his acts
of power and glory just once — be it in the past or the
future? What good does that do all the other
generations? It seems to me that all prophecy
ultimately finds its accomplishment in Christ internally
and personally, as opposed to externally and
historically. Even the cross must be received, and each
follower must bear it as Jesus said." -
On Leaving
Full Preterism After a Decade
(2006)
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An Interview with Virgil Vaduva on
Preterist Terminology and Hybrids
(2006)
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Hebrews 12:25-29: Jerusalem as the
Heart (2006)
"Looking closer at the
"promised land," we can see how the spiritual intent was
revealed through fulfilled prophecy in Israel's day.
Though there was an appearance in the promises to
Abraham of an ultimate fulfillment in reference to the
everlasting possession of a particular tract of land in history, we know from New Testament revelation
that the intent was regarding spiritual things in
Christ. Though the promise found natural
fulfillment in "Preterist Israel", it was given to
signify the true, greater fulfillment in "Ideal Israel"
-- with actual participants from all nations, throughout
all generations (including ours).
Gen 18:18
Seeing that Abraham shall surely
become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of
the earth shall be blessed in him
That is not to say, again,
that the land promises weren't
totally fulfilled in typological fulfillment of
the promise to Israel (Joshua 11.23; Joshua 21.43,45;
Joshua 23.14; 1 Kings 4.21; 1 Kings 8.56)... just that
this possession of the natural land only looked to
something eternal in nature.
Heb 11:9,16 9
By faith he sojourned in the land
of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in
tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of
the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath
foundations, whose builder and maker is God.. But now
they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly.
This same principle is true of all visible,
historical signs.. such as circumcision (which was a
physical sign of spiritual things, Ro 4:11), the
resurrection of Christ (which was a physical sign of
spiritual things, Mt 12:39) and the fall of Jerusalem
(which was also a physical sign of spiritual things, Mt
24:30)."
"We should
not, however, bypass the shadows and only focus on the
ultimate fulfillments, as though the accomplishment of
the outward show is irrelevant. Likewise, we
should not consider the accomplishment of the natural to
be the substance of what is being revealed, as though
the giving of the sign is the substance of the sign...
after all, symbols do not symbolize themselves."
Nathan DuBois
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Scripture Interprets Scripture:
Part One - The Covenants, The Jerusalems, The Flesh and
The Spirit "Since most preterists agree
that the kingdom is within and written on the heart and
that the Spirit brought us to life and into an eternal
covenant (the new covenant on the heart), then isn't the
description of the Jerusalem from above warranted and
accurate as a portrayal of our heart in Christ vs. the
Jerusalem from below as our heart under the law?"
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The Nature of the Christ: The
Dilemma of Chronology
"Jesus was Messiah from the foundation, He did not become the Messiah
only after He did the work. He did the work to reveal
Himself as Messiah..
Are we really putting the "Type" as being the purpose
and fulfillment over the "anti-type" to which they
pointed?
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Why I Needed to Repent: A Letter
to a Friend... Among Friends
(2006)
"Am I saying full
preterists are the Pharisees of today?
NO! But I am saying I
AM ONE! I was so caught up in the system
of things that I could SEE that I was missing, and
causing others to miss, the things that can only be seen
by the heart. I saw the purpose and will of God in AD
70, the "new" (though very old) law of God being
advented, but I missed the heart behind it. I have been
guilty of Phariseeism."
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God, The Judge of the Heart
(2006) "The gospel is
living, it is active. Today men are judged righteous or
unrighteous by being "in Christ" or not. Judgment
accompanied the kingdom because it was at the
"revelation of Christ" in AD 70, to the world, that men
were judged by the gospel vs. the law. "
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My Thoughts and Understanding of
Preterist Idealism
(2006) "Any theology which looks to the temporal things
as its finality, any theology which takes ANY scripture
and applies them to the temporal realm, and does not
apply them to the spiritual truth behind it for which it
was written, is an incorrect theology."
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Blog:
Nate4OneNation -
"Where do we
put the value of the truth. In the event? Or the
pre-existing fact, kept in secret, from the very
beginning. Is it us in AD 2006 seeing the cross made of
wood, and the temple made of stone that crumbled, that
can boast, because of those events (AD 30-70), that our
salvation is true? Or was it true, because God declared
it before the foundation of the world ever existed."
John Hedges
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The Preterist Train
(2005) "Instead of being “TIMING” people, let us rather be known as the ones
who proclaim the NATURE of our present kingdom. Lets go back to the parables
of the kingdom once again, concentrating on what the Bible really says about
the NATURE of the kingdom in which we NOW RESIDE."
John Noē -
Preterist-Idealist
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He Never Left
"..if you insist on limiting the comings of Jesus to only
two times, then this second time occurred, chronologically, when
Jesus came and appeared to Saul on the road to Damascus (Acts 9:4-5)
or to John on the isle of Patmos (Rev. 1). How do you count or
discount those comings of Jesus?—and there are more." My
working definition for “a coming of Jesus” is this: it’s a personal
and bodily intervention and/or manifestation of Jesus into the life
of an individual, a group, or a nation on this earth. As we shall
see, there are many different types of comings for different
purposes, and they occur at different times and places. Some are
visible appearances; some are invisible interventions."
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An Exegetical Basis for a Preterist-Idealist Understanding of the
Book of Revelation (2007)
“The revelation of Jesus
Christ” (Rev 1:1) has a fuller significance and deeper character
beyond its AD 70 eschatological fulfillment.
Consequently, the preterist notion that it only applies to AD
70 when Christ supposedly came in “finality” is a weakness to be
amended. And in a preterist-idealist synthesis, the strength
of idealism remains that it “secures its relevance for all periods
of the church’s history.” But its major weakness—i.e. “its
refusal to see a firm historical anchorage”— is removed. That
missing anchorage is supplied by Revelation’s A.D-70 fulfillment."
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