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Preterist-Idealism: The Wintery Flight (1876) "All who believed in Jesus Christ remembered what He had said, and left their homes hurriedly, and fled to a little town called Pella, on the other side of the river Jordan. Not one Christian perished in the siege of Jerusalem. The Jews who had refused to believe in Jesus, trusted to their strong walls, and their weapons, and stayed in the city.. Now, my children, I have not told you these things only as a chapter of history. I want you to learn some very important lessons from these words. For us there is an escape, a flight, to be undertaken, and for us there is a place of refuge like Pella. "
Who Are God's Chosen People?
By Todd Dennis
What became of the national Israel upon the advent of Christ?
Are Jews God's chosen people based simply upon their physical lineage? Many Christians, primarily Dispensationalists, would agree that the nation of Israel will always be God's chosen nation. Louis Chafer, a Dispensationalist author, clarifies:
The Dispensationalist, as well as the Zionist, believes that the nation of Israel after the flesh (I Cor. 10:18) are God's chosen people, the sole inheritors of God's promises, and that to be a part of Israel, one must be of the proper lineage and nationality. Seeing, however, that Judaism seeks the destruction of Christ's doctrine (See Is Judaism a Biblical Religion?), this creates a confusing conflict.
An interesting twist to this discussion is the response brought by a recent system of doctrine has greatly grown in popularity. Christian Identity teaches that Israel is, instead, actually composed of the descendants of the ten 'lost tribes', which became the Anglo-Saxon and Germannic peoples. According to this view, to be a part of 'Israel', one must be of this fleshly lineage. This is unbiblical as well, for, just as with Dispensationalism, the emphasis is placed upon the flesh and temporal, instead of upon the Spirit and the eternal. Put another way, according to these systems of doctrine, the focus is taken from the glory of Jesus Christ, and is instead placed upon the merits of man.
The Bible teaches that God's only 'chosen people' are those who are born again (Rom. 8:11-14). According to Galatians chapter three, "to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ." This means that the promises of eternal inheritance or adoption, delivered by Abraham's physical descendants, can only be claimed through Jesus Christ, as Galatians 3:29 concurs.
After ministering among the Judahites for over three years, Christ declared to the nation, "The Kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof." What did He mean? Did Christ really take away from the "Jews" the national blessings of a Messianic kingdom? And to whom was the kingdom of God given? First of all, we can confirm that the inheritance was taken away from the nation of Israel after the flesh.
In a statement that can only be taken as meaning addition, or subtraction, God reveals that something has indeed been subtracted from the 'nation of Israel after the flesh'. Romans 9:6-8 reads, "... For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, in Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." These verses confirm that something has been taken away... and that not everyone that is a racial part of national 'Israel' are the true eternal Israel, nor are they the children of God. What we are discovering when we try to relate the Old Testament 'nation of Israel' (which is a possessive phrase) to the New Covenant, is that the fleshly nation of the fleshly man Israel was but a shadow of the heavenly nation of the spiritual Israel, which can only be entered into by Spirit, not by water. Therefore, physical Israelites, could, from then on, have no place in the nation of Israel (which is after the Spirit), except on the basis of personal salvation, through their faith in Christ Jesus (Hebrews 11:13,39-40).
We know that a Gentile is only blessed through Jesus Christ, on account of grace by faith, not on account of race/nationality. This is confirmed, in relation to Israelites as well, in Romans 2:28-29, which states, "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: but he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit." The inheritance of a people, therefore, is clearly not based upon nationality, but upon a Spiritual measure. Galatians 3:6 and 3:29 tells us, "Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham." And we are also taught, "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise"
For another confirmation of who 'God's chosen people' really are, Galatians 6:15-16 tells us, "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God." Paul is certainly not saying that the Old Covenant nation of Israel walks after that "rule" (salvation), as he knows clearly that they are lost, and will perish in their sins without Christ. Neither is Paul wishing peace upon the lost nation, for, having "great heaviness and continual sorrow in (his) heart" (Romans 9:1) regarding them, he knows the only peace is in Jesus Christ. Therefore, it appears, according to Scripture, that the only Biblical Israelite is the individual, regardless of lineage, who is 'in Christ' through salvation.
This fact is confirmed in the rest of Scripture, most notably by the very definition of who is Israel. The typological role of Israel as a temporal picture of Christ is declared early in the Bible, and is maintained throughout. Exodus 4:22 establishes this principle at the very birth of the nation:
Just as the Old Covenant nation of Israel was after the flesh, named after a fleshly man, the New Covenant nation of Israel is a heavenly nation, named after a heavenly man, who is Christ. Jacob/Israel is therefore a picture of Jesus/Israel.
The ONLY 'nation' that the kingdom of God belongs to is the same nation of I Peter 2:9, which reads, "But ye (those in Christ) are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation.." And Christ Himself clearly identified that "nation" by the word He spoke to His disciples, "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom" (Luke 12:32).
CONCLUSION: God's Only 'Chosen Person' is Jesus Christ, and those in Him
What do YOU think ?
Having just come across your website, and being a Jewish person who is also a student of Ancient History, I wondered if you might be willing accept my own definition of what (or who) is Jewish. First and foremost, the Jewish people are a family group originating from Abraham and Sarah. This is central to everything that can or cannot be termed as Jewish. If you were not born into that family, then marrying into it is the next option which, over a 4,000 year period, has happened countless times. Many different peoples and families have married-into the faith from many different countries at all times of our history. It was only those who preserved the laws and customs of this particular family though who maintained those ties with each other, and now call themselves Jewish. To see us as simply a race is no more accurate than it would be to see the Todds as a race. It is pretty certain that many thousands of different families will mingle with your own in the years to come, so the potential to preserve the story of you and your children is also there - as long as it's memorable or significant enough to them all, that is. In short, our group is an extended family which includes many other extended families, but who remember the original patriarchs and matriarchs who began it all and feel the connection to each other even today. Don't forget, this was the family and faith of Jesus too, which he was trying to rescue from terrible corruption when he fought against the powerful Temple priests and their unholy political structures. Even as long ago as the 1st Century AD Jesus too knew that he was a descendent of Abraham and Sarah's, and shares that with all Jews today as well. We are a related family who know who the original Grandparents were. So, in truth there never was a 'race' as such - just a family - and that family still survives today. Swap the word 'race' for 'family' and the answer to your own question has to be "no, there is no Jewish race today, but there is a Jewish People who are descended from a single family group of 4,000 years ago". Regards, Lesley PS. I don't think the word 'Israelitic' actually exists, and I doubt it will ever catch-on. Nice try though!
[Thanks for your astute comments. I am your student when it comes to many of these things. As far as 'Israelitic', it is in the King James Bible]
True Todd. The Remnant Israel were the 1st century Hebrew Christians who accepted the new covenant into the messianic kingdom, now there is none born of the FLESH justified by God. Colossians 3: 11 Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all. . Christianity is Israel after the flesh(after Jerusalem and the Temple fell in AD70,Malachi 4:5 "the great and terrible day of the Lord came") rev 21 "I saw a NEW JERUSALEM coming down from heaven" the spiritual born again believers in christ, THE CHURCH Thanks
I think you're wrong. And I remind you that misinterpreting Gods word is a dangerous thing. You are walking on thin ice when you try to change what God is saying......... The truth is clear as crystal, it's too bad your hatred and anti-semitism won't let you see it......
There is no hatred or anti-anything here, except profaning the name of Jesus Christ by announcing salvation in any other. Any Christian who hates Jews (even the corrupt leadership which is willing to sacrifice the masses for their purposes) is in sin. Jesus Christ is going to take over Jerusalem with His Gospel by peaceful methods, and Jerusalem will become an undivided Christian lighthouse. Now, would you rather be told the view straight out like this, or have the arm of the evangelicals around you, whispering sweet words in your ear, while believing that most Jews must convert or die?
It's naive to play the "anti-semitism" card here thinking it will persuade. This is a thoughtful view of the chosen people question, based upon the writings in the Jewish scriptures themselves. Let's see what Old testament scriptures you wish to present (I'm assuming you reject the New), and let the third parties decide for themselves which is more honest with the Word of God.
Hate is a sin. If you have hate of any kind in your heart you are a sinner. But then again every one is a sinner so who am I to tell you right from wrong? I regret and doubt. I am a sinner. Faith is all you need. If you have faith in the lord our savor, even a very small amount, you can do all things. Listen! Don't you hear him speaking to you. Be quiet and open your minds! Hear what he is saying and have faith that he is saying it
To say that Jesus is the only chosen person -- the only seed of abraham -- al a Galatians 3:16 is not hate. Refusing to acknowledge Jesus just may be, though. Did Saul hate David? Did those in Matthew 21 who sought to steal his inheritance hate Jesus?
That was the most incredible explanation of God's chosen people. I would like to commend you on your wisdom of the Bible.
when you sit by yourself alone .and you think about god every thing will be clear for you and you know the truth. But you are afraid to say it cause you are human
Thanks Todd. It does not get any clearer than that. Your use of Scripture to prove your point is without question. TCG
This article and your CONCLUSION are like an oasis in the dry thirsty desert of the profilgate abundant teachings today that the antichrist nation of "israel" are the chosen people of God, Thankyou. YHVH bless you. from Joseph Burnett (email@example.com)
I have been a born again Christian for almost 4 years and I had always been troubled by who "God's Chosen People" are. God revealed this to me several nights ago and what you have said is the same thing God revealed to me. Some Christians I have told this to looked at me kind of skeptical as I couldn't quote scripture to them, but I knew that we were all of the seed of Abraham so therefore if we were born again Christians then we had to be "God's Chosen People". Thank you for the scripture that supports this.
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