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AD70 Dispensationalism: According to that view, AD70 was the end of 'this age' and the start of the 'age to come'.    Those who lived before AD70 could only 'see in part' and such, lacking the resurrection and redemptive blessings which supposedly came only when Herod's Temple in Jerusalem fell.    Accordingly, AD70 was not only the end of Old Testament Judaism, but it was also the end of the revelation of Christianity as seen in the New Testament.

HYPER PRETERISM

"Full preterist" material is being archived for balanced representation of all preterist views, but is classified under the theological term hyper (as in beyond the acceptable range of tolerable doctrines) at this website.  The classification of all full preterism as Hyper Preterism (HyP) is built upon well over a decade of intense research at PreteristArchive.com, and the convictions of the website curator (a former full preterist pastor).  The HyP theology of final resurrection and consummation in the fall of Jerusalem, with its dispensational line in AD70 (end of old age, start of new age), has never been known among authors through nearly 20 centuries of Christianity leading up to 1845, when the earliest known full preterist book was written.  Even though there may be many secondary points of agreement between Historical/Modern Preterism and Hyper Preterism, their premises are undeniably and fundamentally different.

WARNING: THE FOLLOWING MATERIAL HAS BEEN CLASSIFIED AS "HYPER PRETERIST"


DISTINCTLY FULLPRET POSITIONS IN THIS ARTICLE:

Great Example of the AD70 Dispensational line in Full Preterism

  • The Second and Only Coming of Jesus in AD70

  • Lord's prayer is not applicable post AD70

  • Christians aren't supposed to live in expectation or anticipation post AD70

  • The harvest was in AD70

 

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SOME DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES OF SYSTEMATIZED HYPER PRETERISM

It is important to keep in mind that many ideas and doctrines full preterism appeals to - such as the complete end of the Old Covenant world in AD70 - are by no means distinctive to that view.   Many non HyPs believe this as well, so one need not embrace the Hyper Preterist system in order to endorse this view.   Following are exceptional doctrines which, so far as I've seen, are only taught by adherents of Hyper Preterism.:

DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES TAUGHT BY STANDARD FULL PRETERISM

  • All Bible Prophecy was Fulfilled By AD70

  • Atonement Incomplete at Cross ; Complete at AD70

  • The Supernatural Power of Evil Ended in AD70

  • The Spirit of Antichrist was Destroyed in AD70

  • "The Consummation of the Ages" Came in AD70

  • "The Millennium" is in the Past, From AD30 to AD70

  • Nothing to be Resurrected From in Post AD70 World ; Hades Destroyed

  • The Christian Age Began in AD70 ; Earth Will Never End

  • "The Day of the Lord" was Israel's Destruction ending in AD70

  • The "Second Coming" of Jesus Christ Took Place in AD70-ish

  • The Great Judgment took place in AD70 ; No Future Judgment

  • The Law, Death, Sin, Devil, Hades, etc. Utterly Defeated in AD70

  • "The Resurrection" of the Dead and Living is Past, Having Taken Place in AD70

  • The Context of the Entire Bible is Pre-AD70 ; Not Written To Post AD70 World

DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES TAUGHT BY VARIOUS FORMS
(under construction)

  • Baptism was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)

  • The Lord's Prayer was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)

  • The Lord's Supper was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)

  • The Holy Spirit's Paraclete Work Ceased in AD70 (Cessationism)

  • The Consummation in AD70 Caused Church Offices to Cease (Cessationism)

  • The Resurrection in AD70 Changed the "Constitutional Principle" of Marriage (Noyesism)

  • Israel and Humanity Delivered into Ultimate Liberty in AD70 (TransmillennialismTM)

  • The Judgment in AD70 Reconciled All of Mankind to God ; All Saved (Preterist Universalism)

  • Adam's Sin No Longer Imputed in Post AD70 World ; No Need to be Born Again (Preterist Universalism)

  • When Jesus Delivered the Kingdom to the Father in AD70, He Ceased Being The Intermediary (Pantelism/Comprehensive Grace?)

  • The Book of Genesis is an Apocalypse; is About Creation of First Covenant Man, not First Historical Man (Covenantal Preterism)

 

Do You Pray For The Kingdom to Come?

By William H. Bell Jr.

February 24, 2009

"We no longer live in expectation. We therefore should no longer pray, your kingdom come"

As a third grade student, we had devotionals in our public school classroom everyone morning which involved the class singing in unison what is typically known as the Lord’s prayer, See Matt 6:9–13.

I later learned that this is the prayer that the Lord taught his disciples to pray. In that sense, it would more aptly be described as the disciples prayer. See Lk 11:1ff.

However, after studying the prayer, I discovered that I could not conscientiously pray that prayer as Jesus taught his disciples to pray it. Why is that?

Well, it’s because it is a prayer of the coming of the kingdom. In that prayer, Jesus taught his disciples to pray, your kingdom come. That means they were to live most of their lives in expectation and anticipation of the coming of the kingdom, (Acts 1:6, 14:22; 2 Tim. 4:1; 2 Pet. 1:11).

But, how would you feel if people kept asking you for something they had already given to you? Would that be ingratitude, ignorance, an irritation and an annoyance to the point of embarrassment?

If you owed someone money, and they paid you, then every time they saw you in public, at a restaurant, a network meeting, in a church parking lot, or on the job, they asked you to pay them the money you owed them, what would you think? What would you say? What would you do?

Do we yet live in anticipation of the kingdom? Are we yet in expectation? Are we an annoyance to God for asking over and over again for something he gave to the world and especially to Christians long ago?

Perhaps we could better understand by discussing a few thoughts on expectation and realization.

Expectation and Realization

A Christian’s prayer life is affected because of expectation versus realization. Expectation is the anticipation of receiving something one does not already have. Realization is the actual possession of that object or the fruit of that desire.

When a seed is planted, one expects and anticipates a harvest. Paul uses a text to talk about remuneration for ministry which illustrates the point.

“For it is written in the law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle an ox while it treads out the grain.” Is it oxen God is concerned about?

Or does He say it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written, that he who plows should plow in hope, and he who thrashes in hope should be partaker of his hope,” (1 Cor. 9:9, 10).

Thus, one “who plows should plow in hope.” That is during the preparation for a harvest, one prepares the ground by plowing, then plants the seed and hopes for a harvest.

However, once the harvest has come and threshing or harvesting of the crop begins, it is no longer the time to plow in hope. Expectation and anticipation has now turned to realization.

Rather than continually expecting the harvest, one should now be a partaker of the harvest. It is time to enjoy what has been plowed, planted and plucked for one’s own pleasure and provision.

To Everything There is A Season

Solomon wrote, “To everything there is a season, a time for every purpose under heaven. A time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant, and a time to pluck what is planted.” (Ecc. 3:1, 2).

It would be contrary to nature to plant a seed and  in the next instant complain that there is no crop. Why? Because that is the time of the planting and growing.

On the other hand, it is likewise insensible to remain in expectation after the harvest has come. One does not grow a crop and then stand looking upon the ripened fields yet expecting the harvest to come.

When the harvest comes, expectation gives way to partaking of the fruit of the harvest.

A Delayed Harvest Makes Means Catastrophe

A delayed harvest creates more anticipation, even frustration, even loss of faith. Jesus asked whether he might find faith on earth at his coming, Lk. 18:1–8.

Delay could also create ruin in myriads of ways. If crops never matured for harvest, the farmer would have no goods to eat, sell or distribute. That creates hardship and eventually bankruptcy.

Solomon wrote, “Hope deferred makes the heart sick, but when the desire comes it is a tree of life.” (Prov. 13:12) In addition, he says, “A desire accomplished is sweet to the soul…”(Prov. 13:19).

To have a delayed harvest creates sickness. To receive the object desired is a tree of life. Solomon says its the difference as that between life and death, i.e. anticipation versus participation in what is realized.

We No Longer Anticipate Christ’s Return

  • The Lord promised he would return before all in his generation died, (Matt. 16:28, 24:34).

  • Paul taught that the end of the ages had come upon “us” i.e. first century Christians, (1 Cor. 10:11).

  • James taught that the coming of the Lord had drawn near, (Jas. 5:7–9). In fact, he uses the analogy from sowing and reaping a harvest to encourage the saints.Note: “Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, waiting patiently for it until it receives the early and latter rain.” You also be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand.”…Behold the Judge is standing at the door!”James’ message was filled with so much urgency that he said, Christ was then standing at the door.
     

  • Peter said the God was about to judge the living and the deadthe end of all things had drawn near and the time of the judgment had come. (1 Peter 4:5, 7, 17)

  • Paul wrote that the Lord would come very soon without delay, (Heb. 10:37).

So, the harvest was near. It would come within that generation, i.e. before they all died, just as the Lord promised. The apostles saw the nearness of that event and spoke of it as about to happen having drawn near.

We do not live in the first century. We do not live in anticipation. That day arrived, even before John, the apostle died, John 21:22–23). It came in the first century. We now live in that ongoing everlasting harvest. We do look forward in anticipation anymore. Hope deferred makes the heart sick.

We don’t plow in hope. We partake of hope. We don’t plow in hope when we are supposed to be partaking in threshing. Paul expressed it this way to the Romans:

“For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees?’ Rom. 8:25).

Now that we see Christ’s return fulfilled, there is no more hoping for it to come. We no longer live in expectation. We therefore should no longer pray, your kingdom come, but rather, offer gratitude and thanks for the kingdom and live as it demands.

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Date: 26 Jul 2009
Time: 20:06:58

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I whole heartedly agree. The christian community is groveling for something they already havE. "I have come that ye might have life, and might have it more abundantly." Paul said,"We have been given everything pertaining to life and godliness". Gina


Date: 12 Mar 2011
Time: 17:53:47

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2 Peter 3:3-9 "knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying "Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation". For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, behing flooded with water. But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgement and perdition of unglodly men. But beloved, do not forget this one thing, that the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance."



I don't understand why the Lord's church has fallen for preterism (Rom 14 I suppose), and "replacement" theology. Taking Matt 21:43 (one verse theology) and comparing it to Romans chapters 9-11 discounts the weak foundation of "replacement theology", thus preterism.

Sincere suggestion - please try: Put away preconceived notions (what you think you know). Open God's word for what it says literally. Allow God to say what he means, and allow Him to mean what he says. Then draw you own conclusion.

Proverbs 18:13 He who answers a matter before he hears it, It is a folly and shame to him.

In Him,
Nate.
 

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