POSITIONS IN THIS ARTICLE:
Does the Second Death Still
The first death
was destroyed in AD70
was completely destroyed in AD70
God was destroyed in AD70
All of mankind
saved from sin and death
SOME DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES OF SYSTEMATIZED
It is important to keep in mind that many ideas and doctrines
full preterism appeals to - such as the complete end of the Old
Covenant world in AD70 - are by no means distinctive to that view.
Many non HyPs believe this as well, so one need not embrace the Hyper
Preterist system in order to endorse this view. Following
are exceptional doctrines which, so far as I've seen, are only taught by
adherents of Hyper Preterism.:
DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES TAUGHT BY STANDARD
All Bible Prophecy was Fulfilled By AD70
Atonement Incomplete at Cross ;
Complete at AD70
The Supernatural Power of Evil
Ended in AD70
The Spirit of Antichrist was
Destroyed in AD70
"The Consummation of the Ages"
Came in AD70
"The Millennium" is in the Past, From
AD30 to AD70
Nothing to be Resurrected From
in Post AD70 World ; Hades Destroyed
The Christian Age Began in AD70
; Earth Will Never End
"The Day of the Lord" was Israel's
Destruction ending in AD70
The "Second Coming" of Jesus
Christ Took Place in AD70-ish
The Great Judgment took place
in AD70 ; No Future Judgment
The Law, Death, Sin, Devil,
Hades, etc. Utterly Defeated in AD70
of the Dead and Living is Past, Having Taken
Place in AD70
The Context of the Entire Bible
is Pre-AD70 ; Not Written To Post AD70 World
DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES TAUGHT BY VARIOUS FORMS
Baptism was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)
The Lord's Prayer was for Pre-AD70
The Lord's Supper was for Pre-AD70
The Holy Spirit's Paraclete Work
Ceased in AD70 (Cessationism)
The Consummation in AD70 Caused
Church Offices to Cease (Cessationism)
The Resurrection in AD70 Changed
the "Constitutional Principle" of Marriage (Noyesism)
Israel and Humanity Delivered into
Ultimate Liberty in AD70 (TransmillennialismTM)
The Judgment in AD70 Reconciled All
of Mankind to God ; All Saved (Preterist Universalism)
Adam's Sin No Longer Imputed in
Post AD70 World ; No Need to be Born Again (Preterist Universalism)
When Jesus Delivered the Kingdom to
the Father in AD70, He Ceased Being The Intermediary (Pantelism/Comprehensive
The Book of Genesis is an
Apocalypse; is About Creation of First Covenant Man, not First Historical
Man (Covenantal Preterism)
What We Are Saved
By Brad Baker
I think though that we who are Preterist need to take a second look at the
second death, which is the Lake of Fire and the possibility that many who
reject Christ after knowing the truth maybe alive in it, similar to us being
alive in the New Jerusalem.
I believe this maybe be a missing key within Preterism and may bridge the
divisions with in it. We really need to nail down what
and how the second death may apply to people today
Ever since Adam and Eve disobeyed God’s command not to eat from the tree of
Knowledge of good and evil all of mankind had suffer from separation from
God, which causes spiritual death. Paul in his writings of the Epistles
calls this sin and death. This death is known as the first death and this
had infected all of mankind until Jesus Christ.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the
law of sin and death.
Since the death of Jesus Christ who died for the sins of the world
the first death still had a hold on the first century
people until the old covenantal system was destroyed in AD 70. Except
for the few who accepted and received Jesus Christ as Paul stated in the
However because they were living during the time in an era of transition
when the old covenantal system was still in effect to
those still under the law of sin and death, they still looked forward
to a time when the separation from God and spiritual
death were completely destroyed and cast into the Lake of Fire know
as the second death.
This second death only applies those who rejected Jesus Christ. We could say
that all of mankind has been saved already from the
sin and death that existed from Adam to Jesus Christ, however that is
where it would end because all of mankind will never be saved from the
second death. Salvation was only for the first death
and separation from God. All of mankind has been resurrected from that sin
and first death which reigned from Adam to Christ.
Since AD 70 the resurrection of the unrighteous were
punished in the presence of God where they are tormented in the spiritual
realms, because of their rejection of Jesus Christ. This is the
second death and along with it I believe the teachings of Paul concerning
walking in the flesh after rejecting Christ has something to do with the
second death. There maybe still ongoing truth in the spiritual realm to
Hebrews 6 even though it was speaking concerning the state of some before AD
70. This could fall into the second death.
4For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted
the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5and have
tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6if they fall
away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for
themselves the Son of God, and put [Him] to an open shame.
The non-believers spiritual live while alive in the
Lake of Fire known as the second death, which began in AD 70 right after the
first death was cast into the second death.
Because of the everlasting gospel still being in effect, some escape and
become saved as though by fire enter into the gates to the city of the New
Jerusalem where believers live in the spiritual realm.
Jude 1:23 but others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire, hating
even the garment defiled by the flesh.
Unlike the first death the second death may not be a separation from God
because those in the Lake of Fire were being tormented there in the presence
of the Lamb.
Even though the New Jerusalem has gates and walls to separate righteous
people from wicked, does not mean the wicked are separated from God because
the walls and gates to the city does not have a roof, therefore all are
under God’s presence.
"he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is
poured out full strength in to the cup of His indignation. He shall be
tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in
the presence of the Lamb.
Those who do not repent and believe before they physically die, remain in an
eternal state of spiritual death that unlike the first death which separated
from God waiting for resurrection for judgment could be headed for perpetual
sleep after they are judged.
In their excitement I will prepare their feasts; I will make them drunk,
That they may rejoice, And sleep a perpetual sleep And not awake," says the
"And I will make drunk Her princes and wise men, Her governors, her
deputies, and her mighty men. And they shall sleep a perpetual sleep And not
awake," says the King, Whose name [is] the LORD of hosts.
The scriptures speak of no second chances after we physically die. Salvation
is only given while a person is alive.
The second death kicked in at AD 70 to replace the
first death “separation” which all have been saved from but those who
remain outside of Jesus Christ go on to suffer life in the second death that
is in God’s presence.
The second death the way I see it could also be the opposite to having life
in Christ and having fruits of the Holy Spirit. It is in a sense being not
made alive in Christ by the Holy Spirit. According to the way I see it, what
we are saved from in the New Covenant age, is to live a life without the
fullness of the Godhead living spiritually inside of us.
In the first death Adam died spiritually from being made in God’s image and
became like the beasts God created. In the second death a non-believer
remains like the beasts because of not receiving Jesus Christ and becoming
conformed into His image. Rev.22:15 says they are as dogs or the beasts God
created who were not created in His image. Being made into the image of God
or Jesus Christ includes having the fruit of the Spirit, which is:
Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,
longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness,
self-control. Against such there is no law.
14 Blessed [are] those who do His commandments, that they may have the right
to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
15 out outside [are] dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers
and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.
The nature of the animal kingdom is a lot like a man walking in the flesh
and falling short of the glory of God, which is in Christ. If a person fails
to receive Christ into their live during there life time on earth after
knowing the truth there will be nothing for God to remember them as one who
became a partaker in the things pertaining to Him. Another way to look at it
is according to:
2 Peter 2:21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the
way of righteousness, than having known [it,] to turn from the holy
commandment delivered to them. 22
But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: "A dog returns to
his own vomit ," and, "a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire."
While it maybe true all man has been saved from the
results of the sin and death Adam and Eve brought into the world,
through the blood Jesus Christ shed on the cross. Many see that
non-believers are still under the first death, however
the first death only reigned until Christ then Christ destroyed it at His
coming in AD 70.
The only thing that can save a person from the second death is for them to
return to Christ, believe in Him and walk in the Spirit while they are still
physically alive on earth.
A perpetual sleep maybe the end results of the second death after a person
physically dies who has rejected Christ without repentance, and has lived
while alive, in the Lake of Fire while here on earth.
In other words the fire burns out for them and they are burnt to ash
“spiritually speaking”, right after physical death.
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