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HYPER PRETERISM

"Full preterist" material is being archived for balanced representation of all preterist views, but is classified under the theological term hyper (as in beyond the acceptable range of tolerable doctrines) at this website.  The classification of all full preterism as Hyper Preterism (HyP) is built upon well over a decade of intense research at PreteristArchive.com, and the convictions of the website curator (a former full preterist pastor).  The HyP theology of final resurrection and consummation in the fall of Jerusalem, with its dispensational line in AD70 (end of old age, start of new age), has never been known among authors through nearly 20 centuries of Christianity leading up to 1845, when the earliest known full preterist book was written.  Even though there may be many secondary points of agreement between Historical/Modern Preterism and Hyper Preterism, their premises are undeniably and fundamentally different.

WARNING: THE FOLLOWING MATERIAL HAS BEEN CLASSIFIED AS "HYPER PRETERIST"


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SOME DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES OF SYSTEMATIZED HYPER PRETERISM

It is important to keep in mind that many ideas and doctrines full preterism appeals to - such as the complete end of the Old Covenant world in AD70 - are by no means distinctive to that view.   Many non HyPs believe this as well, so one need not embrace the Hyper Preterist system in order to endorse this view.   Following are exceptional doctrines which, so far as I've seen, are only taught by adherents of Hyper Preterism.:

DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES TAUGHT BY STANDARD FULL PRETERISM

  • All Bible Prophecy was Fulfilled By AD70

  • Atonement Incomplete at Cross ; Complete at AD70

  • The Supernatural Power of Evil Ended in AD70

  • The Spirit of Antichrist was Destroyed in AD70

  • "The Consummation of the Ages" Came in AD70

  • "The Millennium" is in the Past, From AD30 to AD70

  • Nothing to be Resurrected From in Post AD70 World ; Hades Destroyed

  • The Christian Age Began in AD70 ; Earth Will Never End

  • "The Day of the Lord" was Israel's Destruction ending in AD70

  • The "Second Coming" of Jesus Christ Took Place in AD70-ish

  • The Great Judgment took place in AD70 ; No Future Judgment

  • The Law, Death, Sin, Devil, Hades, etc. Utterly Defeated in AD70

  • "The Resurrection" of the Dead and Living is Past, Having Taken Place in AD70

  • The Context of the Entire Bible is Pre-AD70 ; Not Written To Post AD70 World

DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES TAUGHT BY VARIOUS FORMS
(under construction)

  • Baptism was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)

  • The Lord's Prayer was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)

  • The Lord's Supper was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)

  • The Holy Spirit's Paraclete Work Ceased in AD70 (Cessationism)

  • The Consummation in AD70 Caused Church Offices to Cease (Cessationism)

  • The Resurrection in AD70 Changed the "Constitutional Principle" of Marriage (Noyesism)

  • Israel and Humanity Delivered into Ultimate Liberty in AD70 (TransmillennialismTM)

  • The Judgment in AD70 Reconciled All of Mankind to God ; All Saved (Preterist Universalism)

  • Adam's Sin No Longer Imputed in Post AD70 World ; No Need to be Born Again (Preterist Universalism)

  • When Jesus Delivered the Kingdom to the Father in AD70, He Ceased Being The Intermediary (Pantelism/Comprehensive Grace?)

  • The Book of Genesis is an Apocalypse; is About Creation of First Covenant Man, not First Historical Man (Covenantal Preterism)

 

A Look at Who Babylon is in the Book of Revelation

By Michael Krall

 

There are probably as man interpretations as to who Babylon is as there are as to who the Antichrist is. We will not give a lengthy dissertation as to who we believe she is but we will let Scripture speak for itself and let the reader carefully examine the verses and see for themselves.

Many think that either Roman Catholicism or the world system is Babylon. They seem to be the most common of views today. The Reformers and the Puritans were big on applying it to the Roman Catholic Church but does the Word of God support that.

Here are a few verses of Scripture to look at and then ask yourself who she is.

Revelation 18

20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

Who persecuted the Apostles? Since that was a first century office can it be the Roman Catholic Church? Were they around to persecute the apostles? This is something vastly overlooked by many when the try to decipher who this city is. One need only to look closely at these verses and they will easily be able to rule out many possible candidates. From this verse we can see that it has to be a city that was around at the time of the apostles and actually persecuted them that is why they are avenged by her demise.

Here is our next verse:

And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Was the voice of the bride and the bridegroom ever come forth from the Roman Catholic Church or the world system? What is the voice of the bride and the bridegroom? If Christ is the groom then his church must be the bride. There are a number of things the voice of the bride can be. The voice of both the Bride and the Bridegroom could be the very gospel of our Lord. Is that not what they proclaiming to sinners? Is that not the voice of her? Or maybe her voice is one in prayer to the Lord himself. The voice of the bride is sometimes cries or intercession and adoration to the Bridegroom. Some times the voice of the Bride and the Groom are such things as we find in the Song of Solomon. In any case these are not things that are heard in the Roman Catholic Church nor the world system. They have neither the gospel nor the prayers of adoration and praise to our Redeemer. So both are ruled out by this verse. But lets now look at the following verse in chapter 18 of Revelation and compare it to a passage in Matthew 23.

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Matt 23

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Now comparing these to scriptures from Matt 23 and Rev 18 who does it look like Babylon is? The similarity of these two passages are more than mere coincidence. We will let the reader prayerfully see for him or herself.

In our next 2 set of verses we need to back up a chapter in Matthew to chapter 22. In this chapter Jesus is telling a parable of the kingdom of heaven being like a king which made a marriage feast for his son. None come for all have excuses as to why they cannot come to the feast. We must keep in mind that this is a parable about the kingdom of heaven. What does the say and do after those who were bidden to the wedding refuse? Inverse 7 we read: But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. 8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. After the city was burned in Matt 22 parable comes the wedding feast. What was that city in Matt 22? The answer is quite clear but we will let the reader see for him or herself as we read on. Look at the verse that follows the parable of the marriage feast: 15 ¶ Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk.

The very fact of the reaction of the Pharisees give support as to whom Jesus was referring to.

But note the comparison of that to Rev 18-19.

Rev 18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

Note that in both these sections of Scripture the city is burned and then comes the marriage feast. Is there any doubt now as to the reality of whom the great city is? The comparison of Matthew 22 with Revelation 18-19 is very striking.

No study of Babylon’s identification is complete without looking at chapter 11 in Revelation.

Re 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

The city where our Lord was crucified speaks for itself as to who that is. But the term “great city” also sheds some light on it. A passage in the Old Testament book of Jeremiah helps us here.

Jer 22:8 And many nations shall pass by this city, and they shall say every man to his neighbor, Wherefore hath the LORD done thus unto this great city? 9 Then they shall answer, Because they have forsaken the covenant of the LORD their God, and worshipped other gods, and served them.

Who is he talking about in Jeremiah?

Now in the light of these passages of Scripture what is the more likely candidate for Babylon that Great City? We will let the reader answer in the theater of his or her own conscience.

What do YOU think ?

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Date: 07 Jan 2006
Time: 23:22:42

Comments:

In the first century the tiny nation of Israel was a wretched, crushed, humiliated, despairing and defeated nation, just one of the many nations that had been invaded, conquered and occupied by Rome, the great first-century superpower, "that great city that reigned over the kings of the earth" (Rev. 17:18) If preterists believe that Jerusalem, rather than Rome, was the great first-century superpower then they probably also believe that today the tiny, wretched, crushed, humiliated, despairing, defeated, invaded, conquered and occupied nation of Iraq, rather than the USA, is the great 21st-century superpower.


Date: 10 Jan 2006
Time: 12:19:00

Comments:

OT, natural Israel had to contend with the natural bondage in which it was held in natural Egypt AND with the natural captivity in which it was held in natural Babylon. Therefore, given the unalterable principle of first the natural and then the spiritual (1 Cor. 15:46), in the first century NT, spiritual Israel had to contend with the spiritual bondage in which it was held by spiritual Egypt, i. e., Jerusalem (Rev. 11:8), AND with the spiritual captivity in which it was held by spiritual Babylon, i. e., Rome. AD 70 preterists' erroneous belief that Jerusalem was the only first-century, earthly enemy of God's people means that they believe that anti-Christian religions and cults are the only enemy of the church and that an anti-Christian state is not an enemy of the church. Anti-Christian governments everywhere undoubtedly are very appreciative of that support for their policies and actions.


Date: 04 Feb 2006
Time: 17:39:17

Comments:

In answer to the first comment:
Jerusalem was very wealthy in the days before her distruction. Read Josephus, Wars 5:5ff. This is a description of the Temple of that Great City.
Real history is more accurate than the movies.
cml


Date: 11 Feb 2006
Time: 17:08:37

Comments:

Hi All

In spite of the other overly emotional comments in reaction to this pretty clear Biblical argument, the fact remains that Jerusalem was the enemy of the Jewish Christians, especially in the wake of the persecution in 62 CE that claimed James, Jesus' brother, and doubtless many others. Prior there was the persecution in 42 CE backed by the (temporary) Jewish king, which killed James, brother of John, and imprisoned Peter, and before that the persecution that began with Stephen's martyrdom in 36 CE.

Everytime the Jewish authorities had a chance - i.e. were loosed from Roman restraint - they persecuted the Christians in Jerusalem. Rivalries were 'hot' even where Jews weren't in power - the fight within the synagogues became so violent all Jews, Christian and other, were expelled from Rome by Claudius in 50 CE. And the enmity lasted into the War led by Bar Kockba in 132-135, when Jewish Christians were killed for not joining the war against Rome.

So tell me who actively went out of their way to persecute and kill Christians? We know Nero did eventually, but the first 30 years of opposition was from within Jerusalem itself. And what did the rabbis who opposed their Messianic kin eventually call Jesus? A legally-condemned blasphemous sorcerer, thus setting the stage for another 1900 years of hatred between the two.

What's vital is for non-Jewish Christians to realise that all the anti-Jewish bile in the NT was 'fulfilled' sufficiently by the appalling destruction of 70 CE. That the Jews didn't learn the lesson and tried again in 132-135 CE was the 'cup of their arrogance running over'. There is no more prophecy to justify any anti-Semitism in this world - a message people like Tim LaHaye needs to wake up to.


Date: 13 Mar 2006
Time: 19:40:23

Comments:

Jerusalem is the city, if you believe that Jesus has come again. If you are still waiting and watching then any city, present and/or in the future,could be the city.


Date: 08 May 2006
Time: 17:34:16

Comments:

The great city Babylon is fallen,is fallen. The great city, the harlot, was old Jerusalem. God told the fleshly Jews of all the tribes of Israel, through the Old testament and New Testament, if you don't repent of your wicked ways, I WILL destroyed this place and all that destroyed the earth and burn the city with fire.

After the gospel of Christ went out into all the old world (ends of the earth) to all Jews and Gentiles and all was saved by water baptism, The Lord Jesus Christ appeared in the clouds (70 A.D.) all the eyes did see hem, even those that pieced him, and there was much wailing in the earth, The warth of the Lamb came upon all them that would not repent and be baptized with water. GOD open the heavens and earth and the great flood evil came upon them. GOD sent the army's of the Chaldeens upon them and destroyed them that destroyeth the earth and burnt there city with fire and no man rise up that city again.

The only people left BEHIND was Christians. All the GOATS perish. WE the Christians where rised up from the dead and set in heavenl places with Christ, we labor to be where is today and forever. WE over came that old wicked world, the mark of the breast in our hands and mind, and his number 666, mark of a man by faith in Christ Jesus. The JUST live by faith.

WE are of the new heaven and earth without a sea. All saved by GRACE, a gift of God in Christ Jesus. WE wear not Mark of a man, but the MARk of an angle 144 (we are perfect in Christ with God the Father).

ALL we see today, in all nation, is disobeyienced to God's everlasting coverant in the eternal life with Christ.
Andrewj144pa@cs.com


Date: 18 Aug 2006
Time: 10:41:09

Comments:

I believe Babylon was referring to Jerusalem in 70 AD. I'm also a preterest. I'm having difficulty, however, trying to discern if Babylon, the mother of all harlotts, Mystery the Great, and the woman are all the same referring to Jerusalem. This has been on my mind for some time now. Some like to use Roman Catholic Church as the woman which "Astonished" St. John. However, I still believe the woman, which became the Harlott, was Jerusalem.

My next concern is the 1000 years reign. I'm under the impression that this began when Constatine permitted peace with the Church, and the first three centuries of mass torture and martyer came to a hault. Christianity flourishes for the next 1000 years until Islam rose, Satan was released, and the Spanish Inquisition indicated a corrupt church. Stories like Joan of Ark (If true) seem to indicate that Christ was working and indeed ruling the Nations with an Iron Sceptor. He punished Nations which perverted Christianity. I'm mostly preterist, but I have difficulty with the 1000 year reign being secluded to simply 70 AD.


Date: 26 Aug 2006
Time: 11:24:15

Comments:

I truly believe, if we deny that Christ did not come the second time for salvation, then we are not raised from the dead (for all was dead in sin). At that time we all stand before the great white throne of God and our Lord Jesus Christ and was judged for our works, good and bad. All confessed that Jesus Christ is Lord. We that where saved (Sheep-jews and Gentiles) was raised up and set on the throne of glory with Christ, we judged the twelve tribes of Israel (fleshly, his enemy)with Christ. And we became like him (in his Spirit). Those that where not saved at that time (Goats) perish. They where cast into the lake of fire, which is the second death. They had no part of his glory. They are in torment even unto this day before Christ and his angels.

Then Lord God Almighty sent his warth of the Lamb upon them that destroyeth the earth and burnt there city (fleshly Jerusalem, 70 A.D.)with fire. No man will was it up again. The only ones left was christians. When they come into that city, they found 350,000 dead and it took them 6 months to bury them.

I truly believe we our in the new heaven and earth with no more sea. We are under his New Ccvenant in the precious blood of Christ. We have eternal life. There is no more sorrow, pain, and death for us.

I know today I was raised in a false doctrine and the Lord brought back to him.

The 1000 year rein was before Christ came. Remember a 1000 years can be one day and 1 day can be a 1000 years with God. Those 1000 years was 35-70 A.D.. Lord God Almighty was doing everything he said he would so all would saved. When appearred in his glory (70A.D.) all the eyes did see him even those that living that pieced him.

I am not trying to get people saved, for I know that all where saved that came out of that old world of sin. WE of this new world are not sinner, for there is no more law of works. It was taken out way, nailed to his cross.

I have to stop, for I get so over joyed.
 


Date: 22 Feb 2007
Time: 09:17:51

Comments:

Well Looking At At New York 9:11 Is A place Where The Merchants Set A-far Off And Watched Her Burn She Was Paid Back Double Because Both Towers Were Destroed And Burnt To The Ground All in one Hr.I think This Could Be Bablon. It sure Fits The The Picture.


Date: 04 Nov 2007
Time: 00:57:29

Comments:

I think we ALL need to get into God's Word more consistently and then we will gain wisdom and understanding of the things we think we know.
 

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