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"Full preterist" material is being archived for balanced representation of all preterist views, but is classified under the theological term hyper (as in beyond the acceptable range of tolerable doctrines) at this website.  The classification of all full preterism as Hyper Preterism (HyP) is built upon well over a decade of intense research at PreteristArchive.com, and the convictions of the website curator (a former full preterist pastor).  The HyP theology of final resurrection and consummation in the fall of Jerusalem, with its dispensational line in AD70 (end of old age, start of new age), has never been known among authors through nearly 20 centuries of Christianity leading up to 1845, when the earliest known full preterist book was written.  Even though there may be many secondary points of agreement between Historical/Modern Preterism and Hyper Preterism, their premises are undeniably and fundamentally different.

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Hyper Preterism: Defining "Hyper Preterism"- Criticisms from the Inside - Criticisms from the Outside || Progressive Pret | Regressive Pret | Former Full Preterists | Pret Scholars | Normative Pret | Reformed Pret | Pret Idealism | Pret Universalism

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SOME DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES OF SYSTEMATIZED HYPER PRETERISM

It is important to keep in mind that many ideas and doctrines full preterism appeals to - such as the complete end of the Old Covenant world in AD70 - are by no means distinctive to that view.   Many non HyPs believe this as well, so one need not embrace the Hyper Preterist system in order to endorse this view.   Following are exceptional doctrines which, so far as I've seen, are only taught by adherents of Hyper Preterism.:

DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES TAUGHT BY STANDARD FULL PRETERISM

  • All Bible Prophecy was Fulfilled By AD70

  • Atonement Incomplete at Cross ; Complete at AD70

  • The Supernatural Power of Evil Ended in AD70

  • The Spirit of Antichrist was Destroyed in AD70

  • "The Consummation of the Ages" Came in AD70

  • "The Millennium" is in the Past, From AD30 to AD70

  • Nothing to be Resurrected From in Post AD70 World ; Hades Destroyed

  • The Christian Age Began in AD70 ; Earth Will Never End

  • "The Day of the Lord" was Israel's Destruction ending in AD70

  • The "Second Coming" of Jesus Christ Took Place in AD70-ish

  • The Great Judgment took place in AD70 ; No Future Judgment

  • The Law, Death, Sin, Devil, Hades, etc. Utterly Defeated in AD70

  • "The Resurrection" of the Dead and Living is Past, Having Taken Place in AD70

  • The Context of the Entire Bible is Pre-AD70 ; Not Written To Post AD70 World

DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES TAUGHT BY VARIOUS FORMS
(under construction)

  • Baptism was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)

  • The Lord's Prayer was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)

  • The Lord's Supper was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)

  • The Holy Spirit's Paraclete Work Ceased in AD70 (Cessationism)

  • The Consummation in AD70 Caused Church Offices to Cease (Cessationism)

  • The Resurrection in AD70 Changed the "Constitutional Principle" of Marriage (Noyesism)

  • Israel and Humanity Delivered into Ultimate Liberty in AD70 (TransmillennialismTM)

  • The Judgment in AD70 Reconciled All of Mankind to God ; All Saved (Preterist Universalism)

  • Adam's Sin No Longer Imputed in Post AD70 World ; No Need to be Born Again (Preterist Universalism)

  • When Jesus Delivered the Kingdom to the Father in AD70, He Ceased Being The Intermediary (Pantelism/Comprehensive Grace?)

  • The Book of Genesis is an Apocalypse; is About Creation of First Covenant Man, not First Historical Man (Covenantal Preterism)

 

70 Questions for Pre-Tribulational, Pre-Millennial Dispensationalists

By Matthew Hocker
September 2005

1)  Why was Daniel told to seal the words of his prophecy for the time of the end (Daniel 12:4,9)  , but John was told to NOT seal his prophecy, because the time was at hand (Revelation 22:10)  ?

2)  If Revelation was not to be sealed, but Daniel was to be sealed because it was for many days (Daniel 10:14)  , then many days are only 500 years, and if that is true, how can "at hand" be for 2000 years?

3)  Is the new heaven and earth before the 1000 years (2nd Peter 3)   or after the 1000 years (Revelation 21)  ?

4)  Why is there no noticeable difference between the "rapture" texts and the "2nd coming" texts?

5)  How can Jesus' kingdom be physical when Jesus rejected a physical kingdom in John 6:15 and Pilate did not believe he was going to establish a physical kingdom which would overthrow Rome (Luke 23:14)  ?

6)  Why did Jesus go back to heaven after his resurrection, if he really wanted to establish an earthly kingdom?

7)  Why didn't Jesus stay on earth if he wanted to establish an earthly kingdom?

8)  How can Jesus' kingdom be set up in earthly Jerusalem, when Jesus himself said the hour was coming when worshipping God would NOT be in Jerusalem (John 4:21)  ?

9)  Why would Jesus' kingdom be set up in earthly Jerusalem, knowing Jesus condemned their city several times (Matthew 21-25)  ?

10)  Why would Jesus' kingdom be set up in earthly Jerusalem, even though Paul said earthly Jerusalem was bondage and the old covenant (Galatians 4:24-25)  ?

11)  How can Jesus' kingdom have not yet come, when John the baptist, Jesus Christ and the apostles all declared the "kingdom of God is at hand" (Matthew 3:2, 4:17, 10:7)  ?

12)  How can Jesus' kingdom be seen by everyone when Jesus himself said it comes NOT with observation (Luke 17:20)  ?

13)  How can Jesus' kingdom be seen by everyone when Paul said it is NOT meat and drink, but righteousness, joy, and peace in the Holy Spirit (Romans 14:17)  ?

14)  How can Jesus' kingdom be worldly/earthly, when Jesus himself said "My kingdom is not of this world" in John 18:36?

15)  How can the "millennial" kingdom of God be of the jews when Jesus himself said he took the kingdom away from them and gave it to the gentiles who produce the fruits (Matthew 21:43)  ?

16)  If Jesus took the kingdom from the jews and gave it to the gentiles, why is there no scripture to show another transfer back to the jews?

17)  If God was going to go back to the jews/national Israel, why does Deuteronomy 28 vividly describe the events of 70 AD which proves that God DESTROYED national Israel forever because they rejected his ordinances and commandments?

18)  Why is there not a shred of proof that modern jews are descendants of Abraham or the tribes of Israel?

19)  Why is there much more evidence that modern jews are people descended from the gentile kingdom of Khazaria, who simply practice judaism?

20)  If there is a 2000+ year gap between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel, why doesn't Daniel, or any other scripture mention it?

21)  Wouldn't that mean if there was a gap between the 69th and 70th week, according to Deuteronomy 18, that Daniel's prophecy did NOT come to pass as he said and therefore he was a false prophet?

22)  If there is a 2000+ year gap between the 4th kingdom and the made up "5th kingdom" in Daniel 2 and 7, why doesn't Daniel or any other scripture mention it?

23)  How can there be a 2000+ year gap between the 4th and "5th" kingdom, but all the previous kingdoms were consecutive with no gaps?

24)  If the 70th week is still in the future, why did Jesus say "the time is fulfilled" in Mark 1:15?

25)  If the 70th week is still in the future, why were there jews in expectation of the Messiah - Luke 3:15?

26)  If the 70th week is still in the future, why did Jesus tell Peter to forgive his brother 70 times 7 in Matthew 18:22?

27)  If the 70th week is still in the future, why does Daniel say Messiah would come after 69 weeks (483 years)   and the prophecy began when the decree to rebuild Jerusalem was given in 456 BC?

28)  Wouldn't that mean the 69th week ended in 27 AD and the 70th week began in 27 AD, when Jesus was 30 years old and was baptized?

29)  If the 70th week is still in the future, why does scripture say Jesus confirmed the covenant in Galatians 3:17 which refers to Daniel 9:27?

30)  If the 70th week is still in the future, why did Jesus' crucifixion, which was 3.5 years after his baptism (midst of the week)  , cause the sacrifices and oblations to fail/cease (Hebrews 7:27, 9:26)  ?

31)  If the 70th week is still in the future, why exactly 3.5 years after Jesus' crucifixion (midst of the week)  , did the gospel go to the gentiles (Acts 13:46)  ?

32)  If the 70th week is still in the future, why does the New Testament say that all the events of Daniel 9:24 were fulfilled when Jesus Christ came?

33)  If "finishing the transgression" is not yet fulfilled, why does scripture record Israel finished her transgression and filled up her sins and the measure of her fathers by killing the Messiah (Matt 21:33-45; Matt 23:29-36 cp Gen 15:16; I Thes 2:14- 16; Matt 3:7-12; Acts 3:13-15; 7:51-53; Dan 8:12,23)  ?

34)  If an "end of sins" is not yet fulfilled, why does scripture record Jesus made an end of sins by purging them away (Matthew 1:21; John 1:29; Acts 5:31; Rom 3:25; 8:3; Titus 2:14; Heb 1: 3; 9:26; 10:12,17; I Pet 2:24; I John 2:1-2; 3:5; Rev 1:5)  ?

35)  If "reconcilation for iniquity" is not yet fulfilled, why does scripture record Jesus made reconciliation for iniquity (Romans 5:10; II Cor 5:18-20; Ephesians 2:14-17; Col 1:21-22; Heb 2:17)  ?

36)  If "to bring in everlasting righteousness" is not yet fulfilled, why does scripture record Jesus brought in everlasting righteousness (II Cor 5:21; I Cor 1:30; Rom 3:25- 26; 5:17-21; 8:1-4; 10:4; Gal 2:21; 5:5; Eph 4:24; Phil 3:9; II Tim 4:8; II Pet 1:1; 3:13; Rev 19:8; 22:11)  ?

37)  If "to seal up the vision and prophecy" is not yet fulfilled, why does scripture record Jesus sealed up the vision and prophecy by blinding the Jews to understanding of the Scriptures (Is 8:16; 29:11; Daniel 8:26; 12:4; Matt 13:10-16; 22:29; Luke 24:44- 47; John 12:37-41; Acts 3:17; 13:27; 28:23-29; Rom 9:32-33; 11:7-10,25; I Cor 1:22-23; 2:6-8; II Cor 3:14; I Pet 2:7-8; Revelation 10:4; 22:10)  ?

38)  If "to anoint the Most Holy" is not yet fulfilled, why does scripture record Jesus was anointed as the most Holy at His baptism (Psalm 2:2; 45:7; Isaiah 11:1-5; 42:1; 61:1-3; Matt 3:13-17; 12:28; 16:16; Mark 1:24; Luke 1:35; 4:16-21,34; John 1:29-34; 3:34; 6:69; 10:36-38; 11:27; Acts 4:27; 10:38; Heb 1:9; I John 5:6)  ?

39)  If Jesus is going to rapture the church out of the world, why does Jesus pray for the exact opposite thing to happen (that the church would NOT be taken out of the world)   in John 17:15,20?

40)  If God is going to give the "land" to the jews in the future millennium, how can he possibly keep that promise, when it is also taught He will burn up the entire earth at the 2nd coming?

41)  Wouldn't that mean it wasn't the land He promised them?

42)  If there is no physical death in the new heaven and earth, why does Isaiah 65:20 say the child will die at 100?

43)  If the teaching that 1 day = 1000 years and 1000 years = 1 day to the Lord (2nd Peter 3:8)   is how we are to read time in scripture, does that mean that the 1000 years in Revelation 20 is a single 24 hour day?

44)  If the teaching that 1 day = 1000 years and 1000 years = 1 day to the Lord (2nd Peter 3:8)   is how we are to read time in scripture, does that mean the church of Smyrna would have tribulation for 10,000 years (Revelation 2:10)  ?

45)  If the teaching that 1 day = 1000 years and 1000 years = 1 day to the Lord (2nd Peter 3:8)   is how we are to read time in scripture, does that mean Jesus was in the grave for 3,000 years (Matthew 12:40)  ?

46)  If the teaching that 1 day = 1000 years and 1000 years = 1 day to the Lord (2nd Peter 3:8)   is how we are to read time in scripture, does that mean it took the disciples 6,000 years to reach the mount of transfiguration (Matthew 17:1)  ?

47)  If the teaching that 1 day = 1000 years and 1000 years = 1 day to the Lord (2nd Peter 3:8)   is how we are to read time in scripture, does that mean Jesus was tempted of the devil for 40,000 years (Luke 4:2)  ?

48)  If time means nothing to God, why does God constantly use time restricted statements such as shortly, at hand, near, quickly, end of all things, last times, last hour, last days, last day, this generation, etc?

49)  If time means nothing to God, why does God consider 70 years a long time (Jeremiah 29:10,28)  ?

50)  If time means nothing to God, why would He give Daniel a 70 week prophecy (Daniel 9:24)  ?

51)  If time means nothing to God, why did God create a 7 day week (Genesis 1-2)  ?

52)  If time means nothing to God, why would He command the Israelites to keep appointed feast days which they knew by the month they were in (Leviticus 23:34)  ?

53)  If time will end after the new heaven and new earth, why does the tree of life produce fruit every month (Revelation 22:2)  ?

54)  If the great tribulation (Daniel 12:1, Matthew 24:21)   is GLOBAL, why did Jesus only tell those living in Judea to flee to the mountains (Matthew 24:16)  ?

55)  If the great tribulation (Daniel 12:1, Matthew 24:21)   is GLOBAL, why did Daniel only refer to it occurring to those who were the “children of thy people”?

56)  If Jesus' purpose for coming in the flesh was to destroy the devil (Hebrews 2:14, 1st John 3:8)  , and Paul said Satan would be crushed under the Romans' feet shortly in the 1st century (Romans 16:20)  , how can Satan still be here?

57)  Did Jesus forget to destroy Satan and decide to let Satan linger 2000 years longer?

58)  If the 2nd coming of Jesus is Jesus coming in a physical, fleshly body, why does Paul say we would know Christ after the flesh no more (2nd Cor. 5:16)  ?

59)  If the 2nd coming of Jesus would be the world seeing him coming in a physical body, why does Jesus say "In a little while and the world will see me no more" in John 14:19?

60)  Why did the high priest accuse Jesus of blasphemy for saying he would come in the clouds sitting on the right hand of power (Matthew 26:64-65)  ?

61)  If Jesus has not returned, then why do people say Christians go to heaven and the wicked go to hell at death?

62)  If Christians go to heaven and the wicked go to hell at death, wouldn't that mean that salvation, redemption and judgment has already come to the world?

63)  If Christians go to heaven and the wicked go to hell at death , then doesn't scripture prove Jesus has returned?

64)  If most bible prophecy has not been fulfilled or is being fulfilled today, why doesn't ANY New Testament scripture say its fulfillment would be 2000 years later, but rather speak about it being fulfilled in their lifetime?

65)  If the book of Revelation is for us today in the year 2005, does that mean it was NOT to the 7 churches in Asia, which Revelation says it was written to?

66)  If the book of Revelation is for us today in the year 2005, does this mean John was writing to figments of his imagination, since it didn't apply to the 1st century churches?

67)  Why would John write to those 7 churches in the 1st century if it had nothing to do with them?

68)  If "at hand" in scripture doesn't really mean anything, why would Jesus warn his disciples to not go after false Christs who say "the time is at hand" (Luke 21:8)  ?

69)  How could they tell when the time would be at hand versus when it was not at hand if at hand means 2000 years or longer?

 

71)  Why isn't there a single scripture that says Christ's coming was "not at hand"?

72)  If "delay" means nothing in scripture, why does Jesus say the evil servant says the lord delays his coming (Matthew 24:48)  ?

73)  How could Jesus possibly accuse someone of being an evil servant, if delay doesn't mean anything?

74)  How could his 12 disciples know who was false, if delay isn't in "human time"?

75)  Why does Hebrews 10:37 say that "For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not delay"?

76)  Why does Paul say that nobody has immortality until the 2nd coming of Christ and therefore cannot go to heaven until the 2nd coming? (1st Timothy 6:14-16, 1st Corinthians 15:51-54)  ?

77)  If Elijah the prophet has not yet come, why did Jesus say emphatically in 2 plain scriptures (Matthew 11:7-15, 17:10-13)   that John the baptist was "Elijah who was to come"?

78)  If Elijah the prophet has not yet come, does that mean Jesus isn’t the Messiah?

79)  If Elijah the prophet didn’t come, even though Jesus said he did come, does that mean Jesus lied or mislead his own disciples?

80)  If antichrist is a single person who is a world leader in the end of time, why doesn't a single scripture speak about it?

81)  If there is a 7 year tribulation in the future, why doesn't scripture speak about it?

82)  If the beast can be mortally wounded and be raised from the dead by Satan (Revelation 13:3)  , wouldn't that mean Satan can do something ONLY God can do (John 6:39-40)  ?

83)  If the 144,000 from Revelation 7 and 14 are still yet in the future, jewish virgins, why do John, Paul and James speak about them as already in existence (Romans 16:5, 1st Cor 16:15, James 1:1,18)  ?

84)  If the 144,000 from Revelation 7 and 14 are still yet in the future, why are they described as FIRSTFRUITS?

85)  If the 144,000 from Revelation 7 and 14 are the FIRSTFRUITS, wouldn't that show they are the FIRST and not the last Christians?

86)  If the last days are today in 2005, why did Peter and Paul both say the last days were in their lifetime (Acts 2:16-17, Hebrews 1:1-2)  ?

87)  If the end of the world (age)   is still in the future, why does Hebrews 9:26 declare the end of the world (age)   was present day in the 1st century?

88)  If the age we are living in will end in the future, then why does Ephesians 3:21, Hebrews 12:21-28 say the Christian age has no end?

89)  If the bible is to be read 100% literally, why are terms like at hand, quickly, shortly, etc and the original audience (Romans, Corinthians, etc)   not read literally?

90)  If the marriage supper of the lamb is after the rapture, why does scripture say it happens after Mystery Babylon is destroyed (Revelation 19)  ?

91)  Wouldn't that mean the rapture happens after Mystery Babylon's destruction, thus meaning it is "post-trib"?

92)  If the parable of the fig tree (Matthew 24:32)   is the fleshly nation of Israel becoming a nation again, what about the same parable in Luke 21:29-30 which says "behold the fig trees and all the trees"?

93)  Wouldn't that mean that Israel (the fig tree)   becomes a nation again and ALL the other nations (all the trees)   become nations again?

94)  Did ALL the other nations become nations again in 1948?

95)  If a person believes that Christians are the Israel of God (Galatians 6:16)  , and NOT fleshly jews (Matthew 3:9, John 8:44)  , why do dispensationalists call those who believe it "anti-semitic"?

96)  What do you call a person who begs you to send money to get as many jews to the land of Israel (Wings of Eagles)  , but they do so with the belief that 2/3 of those jews will be slaughtered in a future tribulation (Zechariah 13:7-9)  ?

97)  Wouldn't people who supports a future holocaust be considered pre-meditated murderers?.

98)  Wouldn't that be more "anti-semitic" than calling the church Israel?

99)  If there is going to be a rebuilt jewish temple in the future, why does scripture say God doesn't dwell in temples made with hands anymore (Acts 7:48, 17:24)  ?

100)  If there is going to be a rebuilt jewish temple in the future, why did God destroy the 2nd temple in AD 70?

101)  If there is going to be a rebuilt jewish temple in the future, why are they trying to build it on the old Roman fortress of Antonia (the wailing wall)  ?

102)  If heaven and earth have not passed away yet, does that mean not one jot or tittle has passed from the law and Jesus did not fulfill it yet (Matthew 5:17-18)  ?

103)  If we are in the new covenant, which scripture says is forever, why would God go back to a temple system of the old covenant which Paul called bondage (Galatians 4)  ?

104)  If Revelation was written after 70 AD, why does John give time statements throughout the book pointing to imminent events which fit the description of Jerusalem's destruction from Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 17/21?

105)  If Revelation would occur thousands of years after it was written, why does John say the 6th king is the one who "is" which would mean his present day?

106)  If Revelation was written after 70 AD, why was he told to measure the temple, if the temple was already destroyed?

107)  If Revelation was written after 70 AD, why was John told how long the Gentiles would tread down the city (Revelation 11)   which Jesus referred to in Luke 21:24 which were the events from 67-70 AD?

108)  If Revelation was written after 70 AD, why is there nothing mentioned about the destruction of Jerusalem?

109)  If Revelation was written after 70 AD, how could there be other apostles alive (Revelation 2:2)  , when all the apostles except John were dead before 70 AD?

110)  If Revelation was written after 70 AD, how could there be jews persecuting Christians (Revelation 2:9,3:9)   which would have been impossible after the destruction of Jerusalem?

111)  If Revelation was written after 70 AD, why were there 2 different numbers used to calculate the same beast in Revelation 13:18 (616 and 666)   which pointed to Nero?

112)  What purpose would it serve for John to tell the first readers of his prophecy to "calculate" the number of the name of the beast if he was not to be born until 2000 years later?

113)  If God has 2 different plans for jews and gentiles, why does Paul say there isn't any more distinction (Romans 10:12, Galatians 3:28, Colossians 3:11)  ?

114)  Why did Jesus break the wall of partition between jews and gentiles (Ephesians 2:14)   if there is going to be a partition in a future millennium?

115)  If there are no signs for the rapture, why did Paul say there were (1st Thessalonians 4:15-5:9, 2nd Thessalonians 2:1-12)  ?

116)  If the rapture is mentioned in Matthew 24, where is the 2nd coming mentioned in Matthew 24?

117)  If Jesus said nobody knows the day or hour of his coming, and that means we cannot know when he is coming, why did Jesus spend 31 verses telling them what to watch for?

118)  Why would Paul compare His coming to being like a pregnant woman (1st Thessalonians 5:3)  ?

119)  Does a pregnant woman know the "day or hour" of giving birth?

120)  Does a pregnant woman understand she would give birth within 9 months?

121)  If that is true, then does that mean they could know his coming would happen within a certain period of time such as "this generation" (Matthew 24:34)  ?

122)  If Jesus cannot come until the gospel is preached to every single person in the world, will he ever come, since the world's population doubles every 18 years and those who haven't heard the gospel yet are more people than the entire world during the time of Jesus?

123)  What about women who are pregnant today and in the future, does that mean that as long as there are pregnant women every day, that the gospel cannot be "preached" to every single person?

124)  If the gospel cannot be preached to every single person, does that mean that Jesus could never come back?

125)  If the great commission (Mark 16:15)   is not yet fulfilled, why did Paul say it was fulfilled in Romans 1:8, 10:18, 16:26, Colossians 1:5-6, 23?

126)  If the new Jerusalem is a physical location, how was it possible that the Hebrews in the 1st century were already there (Hebrews 12:22)   if it had not come down yet?

127)  If the mark of the beast is a microchip or physical tattoo, does that mean the seal of God is also a microchip or a tattoo?

128)  How can the zionist movement to restore Israel be fulfillment of Israel being gathered, when scripture says they cannot be gathered except in a state of repentance (Jeremiah 50:4-5)  ?

129)  Was the zionist movement in 1948 in a state of repentance?

130)  If Revelation was written after 70 AD, why is there no evidence to prove it?

131)  Why are there some who claim Israel did not get all their land yet?

132)  Why does scripture record they got all the "land promises" to Abraham (Genesis 15:18 and 22:17)   which were fulfilled, because God kept his promises? - (Joshua 11:23; 21:23-25, 1 Kings 4:20-21, Nehemiah 9:7-8, and Psalm 105:42-44) 

133)  If the promises to Israel are forever and unconditional, why does God say it is conditional in Deuteronomy 28?

134)  If the man of sin (2nd Thessalonians 2:3)   is still in the future, why did Paul say the man of sin was alive in the 1st century (the mystery of iniquity doth already work)  ?

135)  If dispensationalism has been of the "historic" Christian faith, why was it unheard of prior to the 1830's?

136)  If Jesus was going to physically come in the clouds as he left, why did the angel tell them he would come in a like manner (not the exact same way)   (Acts 1:11)  ?

137)  If the angel told the men of Galillee that they would see Jesus come in a like manner (Acts 1:11)  , then does that mean he came while the "men of Galillee" were still alive in the 1st century?

138)  If John told the 7 churches in Asia that "behold he cometh with clouds and every eye shall see him, also those who pierced him" in Rev 1:7, does that mean those who killed Jesus would be alive when Jesus returned?

139)  If God was going to go back to animal sacrifices for sin in a future millennium, does that mean Christ died in vain (Galatians 2:21)  ?

140)  If "this generation" in every scripture meant the people Jesus was speaking to and about, then how can "this generation" in Matthew 24:34 be talking about people thousands of years later?

141)  If prophetic language is LITERAL, does that mean Mount Sinai melted at the presence of the Lord, since the hills melt at the presence of the Lord (Nahum 1:5)  ?

142)  If there is no more sun in the new heaven and earth, does that mean the Lord's name does not endure forever (Psalms 72:17)  ?

143)  If there is no more moon in the new heaven and earth, why does Isaiah 66:23 say all flesh would worship God from one new moon to another?

144)  If prophetic language is LITERAL, why did none of the cosmic events described in Isaiah 13 literally happen when it was fulfilled according to Daniel 5?

145)  If the "whole world" in scripture means "every single person on the globe", did Paul say that people from North and South America, Antartica, Asia, Africa spoke about the faith of the 1st century Romans (Roman 1:8)  ?

146)  If "caught up" in 1st Thessalonians 4:17 means Jesus will physically take the church out of the planet earth, did the man mentioned in 2nd Corinthians 12 also physically fly off planet earth when it says he was "caught up"?

147)  If the resurrection is on the last day (John 11:24)  , but the Christian age has no last day (Ephesians 3:21)  , then when is the resurrection?

148)  If the resurrection is still in the future, why did Jesus say in John 5:25, "the hour is coming and NOW IS, when the dead shall hear the voice of the son of God and they that hear shall live"?

149)  If the resurrection is still in the future, why did Daniel say it would be fulfilled when the power of the holy people was completely shattered, which could only be Jerusalem's destruction in 70 AD?

150)  If death is physical, why does Paul say death is of sin and the law in 1st Corinthians 15:56?

151)  If death is physical, why does Jesus say those who live and believe in him will never die?

152)  If death is not physical, then how can the resurrection which redeems us from death be physical?

153)  If the resurrection was about physically dead bodies coming out of physical graves, why did Jesus and Paul say the resurrection was about identifying who the people of God were (Luke 20:36, Romans 8:13-25, 2nd Timothy 2:19)  ?

154)  If John was told to "come up hither" in Revelation 4:1, did he physically leave the planet?

155)  If not, why do people use Revelation 4:1 to "prove" the rapture of the church?

156)  Why do people say the church is not mentioned after Revelation 4:1, when Revelation 22:16 says it was written to the churches?

157)  If there is no sin in the new heaven and earth, how can there still be sinners in it (Isaiah 65:20)  ?

158)  If those who are "taken" in the rapture according to Matthew 24:40-41 are the righteous, why does the bible say the WICKED were taken in Matthew 24:39?

159)  Why should we read the "thousand years" in Revelation 20 as literal, knowing that the number thousand has significant meaning as to completion, perfection, etc (Deut 7:9, 1st Chr 16:15, Psalms 50:10, 105:8)  ?

160)  If God was going to go back to physical Jews in the future, why doesn’t the new testament speak about it?

161)  If the bible is to be read 100% literally, why do some dispensationalists say the 7 churches in Asia (Revelation 1-3)   are “church ages” and not “literal” churches?

162)  If there are 7 church “ages” in Revelation 1-3, why doesn’t scripture speak about it?

163)  If “shortly” means “2000 years or longer”, does that mean it was going to take Timothy 2000 years to be sent to us by Paul (Philippians 2:19)  ?

164)  If Daniel was told to seal up his words for the time of the end (Daniel 12:4,9)  , and Jesus quoted (unsealed)   Daniel 12:1-8, wouldn’t that mean the time of the end was in the 1st century?

165)  If the world is really getting worse and worse and the end is in the next few years, why do dispensationalists get married?

166)  Wouldn’t that mean they really do NOT believe the end is near, because Paul said the time was short and those who had wives will be as though they had none (1st Cor. 7:29)  ?

167)  If the world is really getting worse and worse and the end is in the next few years, why do dispensationalists have children?

168)  Wouldn’t that mean they really do NOT believe the end is near, because Jesus said woe to them with child and who give suck in those days (Matthew 24:19)  ?

169)  Wouldn’t it be very cruel of them to bring a child into a world they honestly believe is getting “worse and worse”?

170)  If Jesus’ 2nd coming is as a thief, how can he come loudly, visibly that the world can see him coming?

171)  Wouldn’t a thief come as quietly as they could, so nobody knew he came except the people he warned prior to his coming?

172)  If Jesus’ 2nd coming is as a thief, wouldn’t that mean that nobody knew he came, since nobody knows when a professional thief has come in the night?

173)  If nobody knew Jesus’ came, except his followers (John 14:22-23)  , wouldn’t it be very possible that the world didn’t know he came at all?

174)  If Paul said wolves would enter into the church, teaching perverse things and raising up disciples after themselves (Acts 20:28-31)  , isn’t it possible that they taught a false eschatology, which is why a majority of the “creeds” afterward missed the 2nd coming?

175)  If the jews in the 1st century missed the first coming of Jesus because of their ignorance of the scriptures (Mark 12:24)  , isn’t it entirely possible that Christians living in the 21st century have missed the 2nd coming of Jesus for the same reason?

176)   Why would the gates of New Jerusalem be left open if everything outside this city is destroyed (Revelation.21:25)  ?

177)  If everyone outside these gates were burned up, and there is nobody left alive outside these gates, why are there people still entering through the gates into the city after the New Jerusalem comes down from Heaven (Revelation 21:24)  ?

178)  If the resurrection is physical, why did Jesus say those who are resurrected are like the angels of heaven (Matthew 22:30)  ?

179)  Aren’t the angels of heaven “ministering spirits” - Hebrews 1:14?

180)  Why do dispensationalists say we are 1)  on earth….2)  when we die, we go to heaven….3)  at the rapture, we come back to earth….4)  at the rapture we go back to heaven….5)  at the 2nd coming we come back to earth 7 years later to be there for 1000 years….6)  after the thousand years, we go to a new heaven and earth?

181)  If the world is going to end, why does the bible say it will NEVER end? (Genesis 8:21-22, Psalms 78:69, 89:36-37, 93:1, 96:10, 104:5, 119:90, 148:4-6, Isaiah 45:17, Eccl. 1:4, Ephesians 3:21) 

182)  If "like manner" is exactly how Jesus would return as he left in Acts 1:11, does that mean Jesus left while all the tribes of the earth (land)   were wailing (Zech. 12:10, Matthew 24:30, Revelation 1:7)  ?

183)  If "like manner" is exactly how Jesus would return as he left in Acts 1:11, does that means Jesus left riding a white horse (Revelation 19:11)  ?

184)  If "like manner" is exactly how Jesus would return as he left in Acts 1:11, does that mean Jesus left judging every man according to his works (Matthew 16:27, Revelation 22:12)  ?

185)  If "like manner" is exactly how Jesus would return as he left in Acts 1:11, does that mean Jesus left and raised the dead in Christ (1st Thess. 4:16-17)  ?

186)  If "like manner" is exactly how Jesus would return as he left in Acts 1:11, does that mean Jesus left with a sword coming out of his mouth (Revelation 19:15)  ?

187)  If the end of the age is still in the future, why in Matthew 13:39, 24:3 does it say it was in the future, but only 30 years later, in Hebrews 9:26, the end of the age was present day?

188)  How can people justify the end of the age stretching beyond its 30 year fulfillment?

189)  If Israel and the Christian church are 2 different groups of people who have 2 separate covenants, and the hope of Israel is the resurrection (Acts 23:6, 24:14-15, 26:6-8)  , why is it taught Christians will experience any type of resurrection, being that it was only for Israel?

190)  If the Christians will be resurrected, but the hope of Israel is the resurrection, and the resurrection is the hope of the believer (Romans 8:25, Titus 2:13)  , would that not clearly prove that the believer in Jesus Christ is considered Israel (Galatians 6:15-16)  ?

191)  If dispensationalists can believe in an invisible, spiritual coming of Christ for the "rapture", then why do they condemn preterists for teaching in that very same nature of fulfillment in 70 AD?

192)  If dispensationalists accuse preterists of being outside the creeds of the Christian faith, because they disagree with the eschatology of the creeds, would that mean that dispensationalists are also outside the creeds of the Christian faith, since they also do not agree with the eschatology of the creeds? (The Nicene creed says Christ will come again to judge the living and the dead, yet dispensationalists say Christ will come again in the rapture and will NOT judge the living and the dead)  .

193)  If Jesus and the apostles all taught Jesus' coming was thousands of years away (as dispensationalism teaches)  , why were the Thessalonians so upset about their loved ones who died before the coming of Christ (1st Thess. 4:13)  ?

194)  Is it possible that the inspired apostle Paul told them Jesus was coming in their lifetime, which is why they were upset when some of them died before Christ came?

195)  Did Paul mislead the Thessalonians if he taught them Jesus was coming in their lifetime, but Jesus didn't really come in their lifetime?

196)  If Paul told the Thessalonians that they would be alive when Christ comes (as he writes it)  , yet they all died and Christ still hasn't come for 2000 years, does that mean Paul's writings are NOT inspired?

197)  If Paul had taught the churches to believe in a physical resurrection, how could Hymaneus have overthrown the faith of some so easily, saying the resurrection was past already (2nd Timothy 2:17-18)  ?

198)  If Hymaneus told them the resurrection was past already, and they believed in a physical resurrection, wouldn't they have looked in their local cemetaries to see that the bodies were still in the graves, and therefore, their faith could not be overthrown?

199)  If Hymaneus taught a different nature of the resurrection than Paul did, why did Paul only condemn the fact Hymaneus was off on the timing?

200)  If "at hand" is the correct translation of "enistēmi" in 2nd Thessalonians 2:2, and it says to NOT believe a letter "as from" the apostles that say the day of Christ is "at hand", does that mean we should NOT believe that Romans, James, Phillipians, Hebrews, Revelation, 1st Peter are inspired from the apostles, since they all declare the "day" was "at hand"?

201)  If "mello" is translated "about to" in Revelation 10:4 in the KJV, why isn't it translated "about to" in most other texts including prophetic texts in the KJV?

202)  If "mello" was translated consistently correct in scripture, then wouldn't that mean there was no doubt as to the time restriction of the Parousia?

203)  If the 1900 year "gap" in the 70 weeks was a "secret" that was withheld from Daniel and other prophets, why does Amos 3:7 say God reveals his SECRETS to his servants the prophets?

204)  If God reveals his secrets to his servants the prophets, and his prophets don't mention a 1900 year "gap" in Daniel's 70 weeks, then doesn't that mean there is NO gap in the 70 weeks?

205)  If Daniel 12 is still in the future, does that mean that "children of thy people" in verse 1 and "the holy people" in verse 7 are the jews living today?

206)  If the jews living today are the "holy people" of Daniel 12:7, yet it is taught that God will never destroy the jews and they will keep their land and power forever, then how can the "holy people" have their power completely shattered?

207)  If the "holy people" being the jews cannot have their power completely shattered ever, then does that mean that there cannot be a great tribulation (12:1)  , resurrection of the just and unjust (12:2)  , the righteous shining forth as the firmament (12:3)  ?

208)  What purpose would it serve for Jesus to come back physically and visibly?

209)  Why would Jesus have to come back in the flesh to reign on the earth?

210)  Why would Jesus say he would abode with the Father in the believer if Jesus was coming back physically?

211)  If Jesus was not omni-present (everywhere at one time)   while he was in the flesh, does that mean Jesus won't be omni-present if he comes again in the flesh?

212)  If the rapture or 2nd coming is when we shall "see Him as he is", why do those who believe it, say people can go to heaven when they die?

213)  Does that mean when they die and go to heaven, they won't "see Him as he is"?

214)  Or does it mean that they will "see Him as he is" 2 different times?

70)  If Christ was actually in His eternal physical resurrection body, will we be raised with the same physical body and likeness as Christ was raised with (1 John 3:2)  ?

a)   Was He physical? Will we have that same physical body?
b)   Was he any age? What age? Will we be the same age as Christ?
c)   Will we too have scars that we had previously? Christ did.
d)   Will we all be raised male? Christ was.
e)   What about babies? Will they be raised as babies? Or will all people suddenly be raised at the prime age of 30 like Christ?

You may ask, "why did you put the 70th question after the 214th question?"   Well, I'm only using the same fallacy of logic dispensationalists use when applying the 70 weeks of Daniel... just consider in the intervening questions part of a gap between the 69th and the 70th!

What do YOU think ?

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Date: 08 Sep 2005
Time: 16:57:25

Comments:

Very thought provoking! Worth sharing with others. May I copy these questions for distribution? Thank you


Date: 10 Sep 2005
Time: 06:31:22

Comments:

Hi, this is Matthew Hocker, feel free to make copies, and edit the questions as you see fit (within reason of course)  .


Date: 05 Oct 2005
Time: 18:32:23

Comments:

These questions are great! I have come up with several, some of which I see on this list, that consistently stump premillenialists. But this is a priceless collection of questions pointing out the inconsistencies and illogic of premill eschatology. Thanks! Rob W in WI


Date: 07 Nov 2005
Time: 14:07:58

Comments:

OUTSTANDING!!!

Nate


Date: 10 Nov 2005
Time: 09:08:07

Comments:

Great questions! I will want to copy some and give to my dispensational friends.
I have a question which I hope someone can answer. The scholars write that there is now, and will be when the Tribulation starts, a "Godly remnant of believing Jews." Since Jews do not believe in Christ, what is it that this godly remnant believes?

Mac

Mac@tribulationhoax.com


Date: 14 Nov 2005
Time: 11:18:16

Comments:

Thank you!! for using scripture to define scripture. We are still studying this view and are convinced more and more that it is the Biblical view. Instead of bringing confusion to the issue it brings light and understanding through the Word of God.
Jon and Jen


Date: 16 Nov 2005
Time: 13:35:02

Comments:

YOWZAH YOWZAH YOWZAH. YOU GUYS KEEP BLOWING ME AWAY . GOD BLESS YOU FOR YOUR DILIGENCE . I THANK GOD FOR YOU AND FOR THIS WEBSITE AND OTHERS LIKE IT . NO MORE BLIND FAITH . NO MORE PVC'S , PARTIAL VICTORY CHRISTIANS . KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK . WORLD WITHOUT END. ECCL.1:4 JWR APOPKA , FL.


Date: 19 Nov 2005
Time: 17:18:49

Comments:

There are many Jews who believe in Christ.  The Jews will come to know Jesus. If we, being wild stock can be grafted to the true vine, how much easier for the domestic?

This debate has sparked renewed interest and understanding into the language of the old testament. That understanding can be shared with Jews, who are not persuaded by the new testament.

One objection to their believing Jesus was Messiah is rooted in the dispensationalist belief that Jesus lied and didn't come back as He promised.
When more Christians realize that Jesus kept His word, it will be that much easier to convince Jews of the old testament proof texts that can only refer to Jesus.

The Bereans didn't believe Paul. They checked the scriptures and couldn't deny that Jesus fulfilled all the predictive prophecies concerning Messiah.

We need to do the same study, leave our new testament at home, and go share the gospel with our Jewish brethren right out of their Bible.
Isn't that what the apostles did?

It is sad that our dispensationalist brothers missed the second coming. But their salvation is in their belief in the first coming. We can't say that about our non-believing Jewish friends. They missed the first coming.

If we truely do believe Isaiah 60, I pray that we will shine bright enough to pull them out of darkness, into His marvelous light.(1Peter 2:9-10,Hosea 1:9-10;2:23)


Date: 09 Dec 2005
Time: 08:36:52

Comments:

Quote from above:

"18) Why is there not a shred of proof that modern jews are descendants of Abraham or the tribes of Israel?

19) Why is there much more evidence that modern jews are people descended from the gentile kingdom of Khazaria, who simply practice judaism?"

How can you substantiate the above claims? How would you answer the information from the article from www.answersingenesis.org qouted below:

"In his article on population growth (23(3):52-55), Don Batten states that the descendants of Jacob numbered about 18 million in 1930. This is not strictly correct because over the centuries, many gentiles adopted Judaism as their religion and no doubt some Jews gave up Judaism. The British, American and Jewish encyclopedias confirm that, in the 8th century (ad), a large number of gentiles in Europe took up Judaism because their king Bulan of Khazaria so decided. In these circumstances, it would be improper to use the Jews for population projections.

GRAHAM WILSON
East Lothian, Scotland.

Dr Jonathan Sarfati (himself ethnically Jewish) replies:

The idea that the Ashkenazi (Eastern European) Jews are really Khazar converts comes from Arthur Koestler, a secular Jew with anti-establishment tendencies. But it is almost universally discounted by historians as contradicting the extremely well-documented evidence of Jewish history. In reality only a tiny number of Khazars converted to Judaism, while far more converted to Islam and also some to Russian Orthodoxy.

The Khazar converts to Judaism had effectively disappeared by the 14th century, largely by being incorporated into already existing Jewish communities in Poland.

Furthermore, Michael Hammer of the University of Arizona in Tucson studied the Y-chromosomes of a number of different people groups. He found that Ashkenazi and other Jewish populations from all over the world had such strong similarities that they must have come from a common ancestor. The Bible tells us who: Jacob/Israel, son of Isaac the son of Abraham. The Jews were also close to the Arabs, consistent with their descent from Ishmael, the half-brother of Isaac.

Dr Batten’s calculations are therefore an excellent approximation.

Hammer, M.F., et al., Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences early edition, pp. 1-6, 2000.

Sarfati, J.D. Genesis correctly predicts Y-Chromosome pattern: Jews and Arabs shown to be descendants of one man! <www.answersingenesis.org/docs2/4304 news5-16-2000.asp>, 16 May 2000. (Commentary on above study plus overview of Jewish history, including refuting the false Khazar/Ashkenazi and ‘British Israelite’ views.)" <http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v23/i4/feedback.asp>

I myself am half-Jewish (and yes, I consider it a nationality, as in descended from Eber, Abraham, Isaac, and Israel), and the above insinuations are offensive to me. I ask that you remove #18 and #19 for the sake of accuracy, or else show where you'r egettign this information.

To balance out my negative comments, your other questions are very thought-provoking. I myself went to a dispensational church for 4 years and unquestioningly accepted dispensationalism; however, your questions do make me stop and think . . .

Thanks,

Mike


Date: 10 Dec 2005
Time: 19:40:34

Comments:

All very good questions. However I am more than sure that most any dispy with a modicum of intelligence would be able to come up with an "answer", for we and they follow a different hermeneutic.
C. Shank


Date: 21 Dec 2005
Time: 07:16:58

Comments:

i am somewhat confused. everyone has holes to poke in everyone elses argument. i could come up with another list of quetions for you. i do not believe everything that futurists say will happen but i do believe that jesus will come again. i do not know how anyone can accept preterism when the bible clearly says that when jesus comes the end comes also and obviously the end hasn't come. no matter how preterists try to disassociate themselves with 2 timothy 2:16-18, Paul clearly believes in a pysical resurrection and hymenaus did not. even though i am not a "full" futurist i can answer some of the questions.
And just because i believe that jesus is coming again, doesn't mean that i don't try to make the world a better place, it means that i try all the harder to reach people for jesus.

6. Why would jesus come again in a few years if half the world has't even heard about him? 2 peter 3:9
20. if the bible said that jesus was going to come in 2000 years then people would know when jesus was going to come and the bible says that no one knows when jesus will come
34. Jesus forgives us and washes away our sins but sin is still in the world
43. no, it means that God sees time differently than we do. So soon for God is not necessarily soon for us. we only see a small picture but God sees everything. (when the bible mentions a specific time we can believe that it is that time but with words like soon and quckly no one knows)
82. God gives satan power to do things
if anyone is confused about which view on revelation is right, checkout all the views and prayerfuly consider each one.
 


Date: 27 Dec 2005
Time: 22:31:04

Comments:

I suppose Zedekiah had a similar dilema. How could he die in Babylon if he was not going to see it as Jeremiah and Ezekiel prophesied.

The problem with the "gentiles" Kingdom of Heaven is that the fouls of the air have nested in their branches.(Matthew 13)

arenoch


Date: 17 Dec 2005
Time: 10:59:58

Comments:

Mike - I appreciate your response to my 70 Questions. But there is a problem. You are assuming that jews today are related to the Israelites of the bible. I said there is more evidence to the simple fact that modern jews are gentiles who practice judaism. Not only that, assuming you are correct and jews today might have a few strands of DNA, does that PROVE they are Israelites?

The fact remains, there is not a "pure-blooded" jew living today. The problem is that over the last 2000 years, they have intermarried with non-jews and any jews that MAY have a DNA link to the ancient Israelites is so insignificant, because they are more gentile than anything else. Somehow people believe having a little relation to the Israelites constitutes being an Israelite (which is impossible). The Samaritans actually were MORE related to the 12 tribes of Israel than any jewish person today could ever claim. Does that mean the Samaritans were "God's chosen people" because they had a few blood relations to Israel? I don't think so.

How much more for people who don't practice the faith of Abraham (they practice Talmudic judaism, not the Torah)? How much more for jews who are atheists and non-judaism believers?

Not only that, as a believer in Jesus Christ, I believe the new covenant supersedes the old covenant. The temporal nation of Israel only existed to bring forth the seed of Abraham (Christ) in which the families of the earth would be blessed. In Christ, there is NO jew or greek. In Christ, the flesh profits nothing. In Christ, the law does not produce righteousness. A person who doesn't believe Christ is NOT a child of Abraham. There is NO "jewish" distinction in Christ, just one new man. When I say "jewish" I am referring to their ethnicity, not their religion. The apostles did distinguish jews (in reference to their religion) and non-jews (who didn't practice the law). But you will never see a "distinction" being in the body of Christ.

If one could remain "God's chosen people" and the "Children of Abraham" outside of Christ, then those jews who received and believed the gospel were fools who went through that trouble for no reason. Peter was a moron who should have left them alone, because they were really "God's chosen people".

I never hear a consistent explanation about Israel. If Israel are fleshly jews (assuming there are even fleshly jews today), then what are Christians? What about jews who become Christians? Are they no longer part of Israel? And if jews are Israel without Christ, but gentiles are NOT Israel without Christ, then gentiles really need to follow judaism in order to be Israel.

As far as info goes, you can research this subject at : http://www.khazaria.com/

Another thing I might point out is that "answers in Genesis" is a joke. They change the bible from a covenantal book into a SCIENCE book. They read it like a school curriculum rather than what it was intended for (spiritual edification, not exactness). I love how creationists (I am not an evolutionist though) try to "explain away" blatant contradictions in scripture (such as the 2 different creation accounts or the "global" flood).

I wouldn't put too much stock in that website. Also, if I am not mistaken, they are DISPENSATIONALIST in their eschatology. So, of course they will make a biased claim about "jewish" dna! They have to in order to make dispensationalism work. Not only that, they falsely promote the "global coming of Christ" because they honestly believe Noah's flood was global. This all began in the 1800's as a response to the Darwinian evolution idea. It was embraced and pushed by the 7th day adventist church (as well as the KJV-only teaching). Those people who promote creation "science" and KJV-onlyism either don't know, or they try to cover up the fact both theologies came from the Adventist church.

I would say trust in the Lord and the new covenant, not some website that pushes "jewish pride". Being jewish won't matter when you get to the kingdom. It isn't divided by "jews and non-jews", so why are you making a point to divide us now?

Okay, God bless, but please if you are offended by my words, prove them wrong with scripture or non-kook websites.

Matthew F. Hocker


Date: 05 Feb 2006
Time: 12:47:56

Comments:

Read Romans, preterisms. The Jews God will brint ot the truth! And will rise his first chosen! When Jesus Christ comes! It says in Romans woes to those who deny the Jews! It seems you Preterismists are denied the Jews there new homeland! You better be careful, woes to those that go againt his first chosen! See what the Iranian leader has done by saying Isreal should be moved or wiped off, he will be judged by God! And if you people are saying bad against the jew, God will judge you! Read Romans!


Date: 05 Feb 2006
Time: 13:05:38

Comments:

Hello, You better be careful you ant playing the same games Mr. Brown is, saying that Jesus was married to Mary Maglin! By saying Jesus came back in 70AD! Ive read some of what you say and the scriptures you qoute. And I dont see what you saying, except that Isreal is destroyed in 70AD by the Romans and Nero. How can you say that we are living under a Earthly Kingdom of God, with all the sin and voilence! Does'nt the Kingdom mean no more sin, no more sorrow or saddness and that weapons will be turned into peacful Athoritive means! Well I see the way the world has been the last 2000 years! And this world is much more violent and powerful then Roman Empire was! We have weapons today that with one small stroke Rome and the all its gaurds would be vaporized in one blow!And you say we are living in the Kingdom of God on Earth for 2000 years. In the Kingdom Of God theres no weapons!


Date: 10 Feb 2006
Time: 19:53:32

Comments:

Your list is well conceived; but since when do Pharisees adhere to the Holy Scriptures? I think Gary DeMar is credited with the insight that Dispensationalism is an ideology which must be inculcated into its unsuspecting devotees; Dispensationalsim cannot be derived from the Holy Scriptures.

Thank you for reproving the specific unfruitful work of darkness of Jewish Racialism - for lack of a more accurate term at present - which is also a Pharisaic doctrine.

Christ rebuked the scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! - as must anyone who is filled with the Spirit of Christ (and whoever doesn't, is not - you shall know a tree by its fruit).


Date: 09 Mar 2006
Time: 13:09:40

Comments:

I am a searching Futurist, interested in hearing a fair presentation of the Preterist side, and open to being shown that my views are in error. However,
whether Preterist or Futurist, sarcism, disrespect, and hate does not serve to convince the world that we are Christ's disciples: Jn. 13:35. Futurists have been perhaps more guilty than others at spewing venom at the other side. This kind of interaction makes it difficult for those of us who are honestly seeking to hear and be convinced, one way or another. Is there no one who is willing to discuss things decently and in order? to honestly and humbly hear what others are saying, and to weigh the evidence rather than slay the opposition?


Date: 09 Mar 2006
Time: 17:20:02

Comments:

Death. The thief on the cross was to go directly to paradise as was Stephen when he was drawing his last breath. And yet, their bodies will be resurrected on the last day. These are two separte events. We (believers) will enter God's presence when we die. And then, we will enter God's presence in our new body on the last day. So we have our last day as a human and we have another last day, which I see as the end time. Am I way off?


Date: 14 Apr 2006
Time: 09:05:26

Comments:

Why do I see so many folks saying "the end couldn't have happened yet" and basing it on the fact the earth is still here? Must be because we were always taught that "end times" or "end of the age" or "last days" meant the end of the world. Jesus never said that though, nor does scripture. It just means the end of SOMETHING, not the "end of the world" The "last days" are the last days of "something" sure, but not necessarily the last days "of earth" "last days" is in the Bible. (Hebrews 1:2 for example) all the "of the earth" stuff was added by man.

Oh..good questions..and I notice very few people respond with rebuttals, and when they do.usually only to 1 or 2 of the hundereds of points.

Dave


Date: 08 Jun 2006
Time: 16:26:24

Comments:

First of all, Matt, you should confess your sin of stealing...because you stole about 3-4 hours of my bedtime as I could do nothing but absolutely laugh my butt off for all that time that I read those questions. I could just mentally picture the faces of dispensationalist going from numb to a contortion of rage as the logical expose' of their eschatology literally goes without critical rebuttal. Believe me, Brother, I will be using these questions. I am fairly new to the preterist view. I do not believe that it is just a particular view of the bible, but, in fact, is the "bible's" view of itself (I hope that comment doesn't sound corny). Anyway, thanx for the ammunition. ;)


while i respect your point of view your 70 questions for premills and pretribs showed a lack of understanding of the opposing views....easily answered and almost infantile in approach...jack in toledo


Date: 08 Jul 2006
Time: 22:56:50

Comments:

What do I think??? I think that way to much time is wasted on discussing and reading things that in the end, do not matter much. You have wayyyyy too much time on your hands.
Caroline


Date: 18 Aug 2006
Time: 23:33:09

Comments:

One question i have for you is How are we to live life now then? What does this all mean for the beliver NOW? Explainprecisely what happens at death...when Christ returns and after the new heaven and earth! thanks...


Date: 23 Aug 2006
Time: 14:26:28

Comments:

Since there are questions that the Dispensationalist can't answer and there are questions that the Preterist can't answer (surely as much as you've studied you know what those questions are without me asking) that would strongly suggest both views must be wrong. I have a real problem with your questions that start with a rejection of the Dispensational assumptions and insert Preterist assumptions to prove your point. Witch mean your questions do not prove your point but begs the question.

Thanks for disproving much!


Date: 24 Sep 2006
Time: 21:07:16

Comments:

Matthew:
Are you saying that there IS a 2nd Biblical Creation account (In your comments about Answers in Genesis) or are you saying that Ken Hamm alludes to that?

Thanks - am blown away with this website.


Date: 02 Oct 2006
Time: 07:46:31

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Biblical and GREAT! RIGHT ON TARGET


Date: 09 Nov 2006
Time: 13:33:50

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Since I have always been a dispensationalist I have lots of questions. First, since all prophecy, in your view, has been fulfilled, what happens next? I haven't found that anywhere on here as of yet. Second, is it true that you believe things are, and will continue, to improve? And finally, if so, what do you mean and how do you define the improvement? Thanks. p.s. Dispensationalists are fellow Christians and I hope you feel that way. Thanks.
Richard


Date: 13 Nov 2006
Time: 21:42:32

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Interesting stuff that needs to be addressed (well, most of them need to be addressed). The only thing I wanted to throw in was regarding your brief comments about answers in genesis. First, simply calling someone a kook does not work in the real world. You can simply say that you do not believe that someone of this or that believe or someone from this or that organization is capable of producing a well-researched, honest piece of work (which seems pretty silly) or you can address the work, which seems only fair in most circumstances. You might also simply say that you are familiar with the opinions and that you do not agree with them but you do not have time here to present your view more thoroughly. By resorting to name calling, you do little more than make your own opinions suspect.

As far as some of these folks saying that since the flood was global, the final return will be a global, that is because many YEC's mistaken interpret that particular verse, where Peter is trying to say that the coming will be like the in the days of the flood IN THAT it will be while people are doing other things, not prepared, and so forth. The verse in question (which I do not have access to right now, forgive me) is not referring the extent of the event but to the nature of those to whom the event will occur: they will not be ready. YECs and others misuse it and there is no reason for you to go along with it.

All in all, your response did you more harm than good, in my opinion. I certainly do not think that AIG is a joke, as you say and they certainly do not turn the bible into a science textbook as you state. While I do not agree with everything they say, I certainly respect them for the stand they take and the work they do, even if some of their doctrine is wrong.

As soon as I read the post asking about the AIG article, etc. and then your response, I was disappointed. The question not only seemed honest and valid, but was thoughtful, providing opposing research. Calling them a joke, and kooks and offering your obvious sarcasm was...well, a bit of a joke. Next time, offer a reference to your creation theology (you took the time to say you were not an evolutionists), and kindly address people's honest inquiries.


Date: 29 Nov 2006
Time: 22:31:37

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You also have to remember that non-Christians will show up on this site and this is not the way that Christians are supposed to confuse folks with who is right and who is wrong. Only God knows when the time will happen. I have seen non-Christian sites that tear at the very heart of what we believe. The questions you raise are very similiar and to me scary. Scared for those that do not know Him who would come here and use this site for ammunition against a person who would share their faith. Aren't we told to "Go ye therefore and spread the word? Shame on all of you. Who is right, who is wrong? What a mess this place is.


Date: 01 Dec 2006
Time: 08:09:13

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You could go down with the questions asked by another person who has a site Cygnus. Don't we all worship and serve the same God? Isn't Jesus our Saviour? Lead people to the Cross. This place would tend to lead a non-Christian away with all the questions about when He will be coming back. Shame on you.

Tom Abbey


Date: 09 Dec 2006
Time: 08:58:47

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Dear Matthew,


Thank you and God bless you for the honest and common sense approach to The Scriptures.


I agree entirely that to claim a blood right is foolishness. Even though you did not say foolish--I do!


Furthermore, the dispensationalist contorts and does not recognize The Kingdom as "no more tears," because they must espouse nationalism first and force The Scriptures to fit their lifestyle.


Upon being added to The Kingdom one WILL choose to NOT fight as the world does if one is to remain in The Kingdom. For there are no breakers of the Law of The Christ in The Kingdom of Heaven.

Finally, Godspeed and again thank you. It's ok to be politically incorrect for the sake of The Truth.




JB


Date: 03 Feb 2007
Time: 11:40:48

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I am a pre-trib rapture believer because that iss what the Bible teaches. Men show that they have no understanding of scripture so they "invent" new "comings" because they have not got "eyes to see". I would like to show you a very simple verse as found in Matthew 24:29-31.

Matt 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
(KJV)

Now look at the same scripture with the un-needed parts taken out:

Matt 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation...
30
31 And he shall send his angels... and they shall gather together his elect...
(KJV)
Because men do not understand other verses they say these cannot be right. Let me point out the in John 1:1 and in 1:14 we see that Jesus "is" the word. So to deny the word of God is to deny Jesus. He also said if you deny him he will deny you. Let me now show you 2 verses that say a pretribulation rapture is a lie from Satan. BUT, you must have eyes to see...

Rev 20:4-5
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
(KJV)

Notice first that the last two words are "first resurrection". There cannot have been a resurrection "just before the rapture" unless this one is it. If there were a previous resurrection then this would not be the first. We know that the dead are resurrected just before the catching away of the church because it says so in the word.

1 Cor 15:52
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and "the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."
(KJV)
So we see there has to be the raising of the dead first. Now go back and look at Rev. 20:4-5 again and see it says:
I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;
It is very obvious that these people who are mentioned had to have lived during the time of the anti-Christ or they could not have rejected the mark of the beast. If they had not received his mark then they HAD TO LIVE when he was on earth. Now look again in the end of verse 4 and it says "
and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." Now they are alive again for the reign of Christ for a thousand years.
When we put it all together it is saying that those who were killed in the tribulation have been raised in the FIRST resurrection. Then how can they be raised before the tribulation if they were killed in the tribulation. It is obvious then that there cannot be a pre-tribulation resurrection nor rapture. I wish I could put my whole book here for you to read but I can't. Frankcha@asheboro.com


Date: 04 Feb 2007
Time: 15:55:12

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The Jewish stuff, as other commenters have noted, is really quite out of place and tends to ruin much of this for me. I run a high-traffic web site and I was going to link this article as a most excellent commentary for "Rapturists" to read but questionable assertions about modern Jews made me hesitate.

I see a lot of that in other parts of this site as well. I think you guys would do well to stop bringing up things like the modern state of Israel or the Zionist cause and concentrate on why Rapturist stuff is bunk from a biblical and historical perspective. Bringing in modern politics and inter-faith criticism is not constructive.


Date: 08 Feb 2007
Time: 11:10:58

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What do I think? I think half of these questions are ridiculous, and the other half reflect a total lack of understanding the issues in a Biblical context. I mean, who came up with these? If it was Matthew Hocker, then I suggest he take a few hermeneutics classes at the nearest evangelical seminary. This stuff reminds me of the kind of wacky and Biblically ignorant questions atheists usually ask about the Bible.

A good case in point is all this stuff I hear from preterists about the Greek word "mello." (questions 201 and 202 above) Most who argue over this have never studied the Greek LANGUAGE. That is problem #1. I've studied and taught NT Greek. You can't learn a language by consulting a Strong's concordance or lexicon. You can't learn grammar by simply looking up a word. And you don't build doctrine based on a misunderstanding of language.

There are many words in the Greek NT that go untranslated for various grammatical or syntactical reasons, but you don't go building doctrines around them. Like most NT words, "mello" can mean different things depending on context. It doesn't always mean "about to" in the sense of immediately in time "about to" occur. Try looking up the word in various contexts and that is easy to see.

But the preterists I've seen always seem to think "mello" has only one meaning. And of course, they don't understand that not translating it doesn't necessarily mean anything. There are many instances where the Greek definite article (the) and the conjunction (and or "kai") both go untranslated. Are we going to build doctrine over that also? If so, we can come up with all kinds of foolishness.

Take, for example, the doctrine about satan. There are many demons but only one satan. However, if you look at the Greek of Matt. 4:10, Jesus doesn't say "the" satan but "a" satan. There is no definite article before the Greek "satana." So there must be more than one satan, right? Wrong! You need to know something about Greek grammar to understand that nouns don't necessarily need definite articles for them to be definite.

The cults build doctrine on meager or no evidence. That is why I view full preterism as cultic. It tries to build doctrine on tiny grains of sand, and they wonder why most of the Christian world doesn't fall for it.

It would be wise for people to stop speculating about why a word goes untranslated and start studying language to understand these issues. Speculation leads to heresy, and heresy leads to apostasy. But the first step to any false doctrine is speculation which has no basis in a sound interpretation and understanding of Scripture. And in all fairness, this is the second time I am posting these comments. It shouldn't take 20 years for comments to post, unless some bias is censoring contrary views.

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