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AD70 Dispensationalism: According to that view, AD70 was the end of 'this age' and the start of the 'age to come'.    Those who lived before AD70 could only 'see in part' and such, lacking the resurrection and redemptive blessings which supposedly came only when Herod's Temple in Jerusalem fell.    Accordingly, AD70 was not only the end of Old Testament Judaism, but it was also the end of the revelation of Christianity as seen in the New Testament.

HYPER PRETERISM

"Full preterist" material is being archived for balanced representation of all preterist views, but is classified under the theological term hyper (as in beyond the acceptable range of tolerable doctrines) at this website.  The classification of all full preterism as Hyper Preterism (HyP) is built upon well over a decade of intense research at PreteristArchive.com, and the convictions of the website curator (a former full preterist pastor).  The HyP theology of final resurrection and consummation in the fall of Jerusalem, with its dispensational line in AD70 (end of old age, start of new age), has never been known among authors through nearly 20 centuries of Christianity leading up to 1845, when the earliest known full preterist book was written.  Even though there may be many secondary points of agreement between Historical/Modern Preterism and Hyper Preterism, their premises are undeniably and fundamentally different.

WARNING: THE FOLLOWING MATERIAL HAS BEEN CLASSIFIED AS "HYPER PRETERIST"


DISTINCTLY FULLPRET POSITIONS IN THIS ARTICLE:

  • AD70 Dispensationalism

  • Acts 1:11 fulfilled in AD66

  • Saints were raptured in AD66

  • Full Preterism is orthodox according to the 1828 dictionary

  • Old Testament history both shadow and substance of prophecy

  • AD66 or AD70 Return of Jesus?

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SOME DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES OF SYSTEMATIZED HYPER PRETERISM

It is important to keep in mind that many ideas and doctrines full preterism appeals to - such as the complete end of the Old Covenant world in AD70 - are by no means distinctive to that view.   Many non HyPs believe this as well, so one need not embrace the Hyper Preterist system in order to endorse this view.   Following are exceptional doctrines which, so far as I've seen, are only taught by adherents of Hyper Preterism.:

DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES TAUGHT BY STANDARD FULL PRETERISM

  • All Bible Prophecy was Fulfilled By AD70

  • Atonement Incomplete at Cross ; Complete at AD70

  • The Supernatural Power of Evil Ended in AD70

  • The Spirit of Antichrist was Destroyed in AD70

  • "The Consummation of the Ages" Came in AD70

  • "The Millennium" is in the Past, From AD30 to AD70

  • Nothing to be Resurrected From in Post AD70 World ; Hades Destroyed

  • The Christian Age Began in AD70 ; Earth Will Never End

  • "The Day of the Lord" was Israel's Destruction ending in AD70

  • The "Second Coming" of Jesus Christ Took Place in AD70-ish

  • The Great Judgment took place in AD70 ; No Future Judgment

  • The Law, Death, Sin, Devil, Hades, etc. Utterly Defeated in AD70

  • "The Resurrection" of the Dead and Living is Past, Having Taken Place in AD70

  • The Context of the Entire Bible is Pre-AD70 ; Not Written To Post AD70 World

DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES TAUGHT BY VARIOUS FORMS
(under construction)

  • Baptism was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)

  • The Lord's Prayer was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)

  • The Lord's Supper was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)

  • The Holy Spirit's Paraclete Work Ceased in AD70 (Cessationism)

  • The Consummation in AD70 Caused Church Offices to Cease (Cessationism)

  • The Resurrection in AD70 Changed the "Constitutional Principle" of Marriage (Noyesism)

  • Israel and Humanity Delivered into Ultimate Liberty in AD70 (TransmillennialismTM)

  • The Judgment in AD70 Reconciled All of Mankind to God ; All Saved (Preterist Universalism)

  • Adam's Sin No Longer Imputed in Post AD70 World ; No Need to be Born Again (Preterist Universalism)

  • When Jesus Delivered the Kingdom to the Father in AD70, He Ceased Being The Intermediary (Pantelism/Comprehensive Grace?)

  • The Book of Genesis is an Apocalypse; is About Creation of First Covenant Man, not First Historical Man (Covenantal Preterism)

 

 

 

SECOND COMING WHEN? "AD 66" or "AD 70" or "AD."?

AD66: "the first century Jews did "see" Jesus at His return as Josephus implies when he records the angelic armies being seen in the clouds in AD 66.  The literal rapture idea also implies that the living and remaining saints "saw" Christ at His return when they were changed and caught up into the clouds to meet with Him at the destruction of the Temple in AD. (sic; source)

AD70: "Since Jesus came again in AD 70, He, for the first time ever, opened heaven to all of His people."


The Resurrected Body of Jesus Christ

By Walt Hibbard / Timothy King
 

It is common to evaluate the rightness of a theological position by the historically fluctuating rod called “orthodoxy.” It is interesting that “orthodoxy” today does not mean the same as it did a couple of centuries ago. Today, it is often defined as, “Adhering to an accepted or established doctrine,” or “Of or relating to the most conservative or traditional form of a religion, philosophy or ideology.” (The American Heritage Dictionary, third edition, 1994) According to this modern definition, medieval Roman Catholicism was “orthodox” in its day since it was the “accepted or established doctrine.”

However, in 1828, “orthodox” was defined as “Sound in the Christian faith; believing the genuine doctrines taught in the Scriptures.” (American Dictionary of the English Language, Noah Webster) As a preterist, I believe that I am completely orthodox in every way according to the 1828 definition of the word.

When we deal with the nature of Jesus’ resurrected body as He explained it to His disciples, we understand that it was a physical body and not a spiritual body. He proved it by eating broiled fish and a honeycomb in their presence! “Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.” (Luke 24:39)

I agree that He presented Himself to the disciples in a physical, corporeal, body after His resurrection. Further, I do believe that the body of Jesus that suffered on the cross is that same body that the disciples saw up until His ascension. It was not a spiritual presence; it was His actual physical body.

But it is important to ask whether or not Jesus’ resurrected body was also His glorified body. Many assume that it was, but do not say why. I believe that the Scriptures teach that the body in which Jesus was crucified was the same body that came out of the grave, but that the body in which He now dwells is one that was changed or transformed.

Here I must appeal to the word of God to clarify our understanding of this subject. I would agree that He now exists in His glorified body, but I must insist from the Scriptures that it is not of the same essence that was crucified, buried, raised and ascended. It was changed after His ascent to the Father, as I shall demonstrate below.

First, I do not deny that the body that Jesus had from birth to death was a physical, mortal, perishable, natural body. It was also that same body that was raised from the grave at the resurrection that Sunday morning. But I believe that at some point after that, His resurrected body was changed into a glorified state.

Let’s begin with the period of time after His resurrection, but before His ascension. On these occasions, there were times when He was immediately recognized (Matt. 28:9-10; Mark 16:14). At other times He was not (Luke 24:13-31; John 20:14). He says He is “bone and flesh” (Luke 24:39) and He ate food (Luke 24:42-43).

His ability to vanish from sight is interesting (Luke 24:31), but we cannot conclude that this was caused by a change in the nature of His physical body after the resurrection. Before His crucifixion, He was able to walk on water (John 6:19) and pass through hostile crowds untouched (Luke 4:39-40). What’s the difference? My conclusion thus far is that we have no reason to doubt that Jesus’ body that went into the grave is the same body that came out of the grave with no appreciable change, not even decay (Acts 2:27).

Fortunately, the Scripture is not silent as to when the change into glorification took place. We have the inspired record of Jesus appearing on multiple occasions after His ascension. Was the body of His post-ascension appearances similar to or different from His post-resurrection/pre-ascension body? Here are some observations and questions that relate to this.

Paul declares that Christ appeared to Him and that he had seen the Lord (I Cor. 9:1; 15:8). What was His appearance then and how does it compare to His post-resurrection/pre-ascension appearances?

In Acts 9:3-4, we have this account: “As he journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven. Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?’” This was definitely Jesus (v. 5).

In v. 17, we are told that this was “…the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came…” Here was a post-ascension appearance by Jesus in which there is no mention of a “bodily” appearance. The only physical manifestations mentioned were a bright “light from heaven” and a voice. Before one says that Paul did not see Christ’s appearance because of his blindness, consider that those who were with him were not blinded and it is said they witnessed the appearance of Christ as a “light” (Acts 22:9).

If Jesus had a physical, corporeal body which He will inhabit when He comes a second time, why did He not reveal Himself with this to Paul on the road to Damascus? Was He saving His physical body for later? Or, could it be that His physical body had been changed into its glorious essence by this time?

I Tim. 6:16 describes Jesus as He “who alone possesses immortality.” Reason with me on this: Was His body before the crucifixion mortal or immortal? It had to be mortal (able to die), because if it wasn’t, how could He have died for our sins? Is the body He possesses now (at the time Paul wrote 1 Timothy) mortal (able to die) or immortal (able not to die)? It has to be immortal since the inspired word says so. Conclusion: Jesus’ body was changed.

We need to remember that before the cross Jesus’ bodily form, while perfectly human and physical, according to Heb. 10:5 was especially “a body You have prepared for Me.” It was not a mortal body in the exact same sense as our mortal bodies. There was both continuity and discontinuity here. Only Jesus, who was sinless, was promised that His body would not see corruption (Ps. 16:10; Acts 2:27 & 13:35) as distinct from ours. No man could take His life from Him; only He had the power to lay it down and take it again (John 10:17-18. But we, unlike Jesus, are not only “able to die” but “destined to die” because of our sin. Jesus before the cross was “able not to die,” but He was not yet in a bodily form that was “not able to die.” After the ascension, it seems that his bodily form was “changed” so that in heaven He does now have a bodily form that is “not able to die. When we speak of Jesus’ bodily form as “able to die” (hence the cross), we are in no way taking away from His deity or glory of His Person as the Son of God.

Further, if He were to return in a mortal (as defined above), unchanged body, He could be subject to death again and this we know could not happen. My point here is that somewhere along the way (I believe after His ascension) the bodily form of Jesus was changed in its glory and nature; from mortal to immortal, from weakness to power, from natural to spiritual. It was the self-same body but changed in its bodily form, with no change in the glory of His Person, in order to dwell in heaven.

Do we not find in 1 Cor. 15:51-52 a clear statement of the nature of the resurrection as involving change? Certainly, the bulk of the chapter deals with the resurrection of our bodies, but there is also continuity with the body of Jesus, in that it, too, was changed. “…flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God…(vs. 50); hence, the need for change.

Please note this very carefully: I am not denying that Christ has a body. I am affirming that it is a “body of glory” that He did not possess before His crucifixion and ascension. Neither am I affirming that our resurrection will be bodiless! I believe that the resurrection does indeed involve the saints receiving new bodies (1 Cor. 15:37-38) – new, immortal, imperishable, spiritual bodies (vs. 42-49) – changed in nature from the bodies we now have.

The appearance of Jesus to John on Patmos certainly bears out the idea of a change in bodily form, appearance and nature (Rev. 1:12-17). This description bears no resemblance to the appearances found at the end of the Gospels and beginning of Acts. Further, the reaction of John, who was a witness to His resurrection and ascension, was much different from the reaction to the appearance of His beloved Savior in His glory. Jesus’ bodily form was changed!

Futurists often cite I John 3:2 as a proof-text for a bodily coming and our bodily resurrection to be like Jesus’ body: “Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.” But if John is saying here that we will be like Jesus in His glorified bodily form, why then did he say, “…it has not yet been revealed what we shall be”?

After all, wasn’t John a witness to the resurrection? If he was talking about the bodily form of the pre-ascension Jesus, wouldn’t He have said, “We have seen what we will be like”? This passage only makes sense if you believe that the bodily form of Jesus was transformed into something that John had not yet seen, so it had to be different from what he had seen.

One other point needs to be considered. In Acts 1:11 (will so come in like manner) and in Rev. 1:7 (He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him) are verses that some scholars often tend to spiritualize away, not really wanting to deal with them in a literal fashion. However, I believe that these verses were meant to be taken literally, and that the first century Jews did "see" Jesus at His return as Josephus implies when he records the angelic armies being seen in the clouds in AD 66.  The literal rapture idea also implies that the living and remaining saints "saw" Christ at His return when they were changed and caught up into the clouds to meet with Him at the destruction of the Temple in AD. (sic)

  These are "expectation" statements that would have discredited Jesus if the disciples had not literally "seen" Jesus riding the clouds of heaven with His angels at His second coming.  If we give in to the spiritualizing approach on Rev. 1:7, we will be hard pressed to take the other "expectation" statements literally either.  This is a hermeneutical consistency issue that we must maintain. And there is no problem agreeing that the numerous Old Testament judgments against nations such as Egypt, Idumea, and Babylon, where foreign armies were used by God to bring His judgment, did not include a visible appearing of any Person of the Godhead. Those judgment events were types which foreshadowed the final judgment against the first century apostate Jewish nation and its temple, closing out the Old Covenant economy.

All of those past judgment events occurred prior to the incarnation and earthly ministry of Jesus Christ. The incarnation made all the difference when He dwelt personally among His people! He promised them that they would “see” Him personally (the Lord Himself will descend from heaven… I Thess. 4:16) and these first century believers had every right to expect to see Jesus coming in person. Surely He did not disappoint them, but fulfilled His promises exactly as He said He would!

I do not believe that I have made any statements here that take away from the glory of Christ, nor have I dishonored Him in the handling of His inspired word. There is no Scripture-twisting here in drawing out the meaning of Scripture, nor in any of the conclusions, to the best of my knowledge and understanding.

Neither is it scripturally necessary to insist that corpses, bones, body particles or decayed organs from our earthly bodies will be reconstituted into incorruptible, immortal, glorious spiritual bodies. In fact, the seed analogy of I Cor. 15, esp. vs. 37-38, flatly denies such a notion. It is not just preterists who deny this, but many published scholars, such as Dr. Merrill Tenney of Wheaton’s Graduate School, and Dr. Kenneth Kantzer and Dr. Murray Harris of the Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, who have written excellent studies in this area. They all rely heavily on Paul’s treatment of the subject in I Corinthians 15.

I, along with many other preterists, believe that the resurrection took place in AD 70 when Jesus opened the gates of Sheol/Hades (the grave). At that time, those dead believing saints, away from the presence of God, were released and taken to heaven together with those first century living saints. Jesus had told His disciples that He would go and prepare a place for them and would come again and receive them to Himself; that where He was, there they would be also (John 14:2-3). I Thess. 4 and I Cor. 15 describe this joyous gathering together of both Old Testament saints and first century living believers to be taken to heaven by the Lord Jesus. The amazing and numerous “expectation statements” of the New Testament plainly show us the marvelous hope and dependence on the promises of the Lord Jesus that characterized these persecuted and mistreated disciples and followers of Jesus Christ. And they were not disappointed when the second coming, resurrection, and judgment (rewards, not condemnation) happened in connection with the ending of the Old Covenant and the judgment on Jerusalem at AD 70. We know these things assuredly by faith in the infallible promises in our Bible.

At that same time, the unbelievers in Sheol/Hades (see Luke 16:19-31) were also resurrected according to Matt. 25:31-46; Acts 24:15, etc., judged and condemned to everlasting punishment away from the presence of God. Included in this group were the Old Covenant breakers of Jesus’ day who met the same fate of eternal damnation. The Acts passage above, using the Greek word “mello” for “will be,” is better translated “is about to be” a resurrection, thus highlighting the first century fulfillment.

When a Christian physically dies today, he is immediately given his incorruptible, immortal, glorified spiritual body, just like that of the Lord Jesus Himself, and ushered into God’s presence in heaven. John 14:2 & 3 has been fulfilled! Since Jesus came again in AD 70, He, for the first time ever, opened heaven to all of His people. The first to realize that blessed hope were the Old Testament believers out of Sheol/Hades, together with those living saints of that first century generation, who were caught up (I Thess. 4:13-19; I Cor. 15:50-56; II Cor. 5:1-4) to their new heavenly home. And those saints, from every forthcoming generation, will sequentially join those already in heaven as God calls them to Himself at the time of their death.

And yes, the resurrection body of believers is a spiritual body (I Cor. 15:44), but it is no less a real one! Paul tells us in vs. 45, “The first man Adam became a living being. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.” Christ is the last Adam.

Finally, it should be obvious that a spiritual body, as set forth in Scripture, is much more than simply a body “fully controlled by the Holy Spirit” as some writers would have us believe. Read Revelation chapter 1 to get a magnificent picture of what a spiritual body is like. As Paul said in I Cor. 15:42-49, “there is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.” The natural body comes first and is suitable for life on this earth; the spiritual body comes later and is suitable for life in heaven. Again, we see the concept of “change” being emphasized. We must not confuse the different kinds of bodies. The Scriptures certainly do not!

* This article, in part, was taken from the very helpful Restoration Ministries website (www.restorationgj.com), hosted by Timothy King (no relation to Max King or his son, Tim, who has a similar name), and was revised and expanded by Walt Hibbard. Parts of the article written by Timothy are used with his permission.

 

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Date:
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In the first century, the yoke of the law was broken, heaven's gates were opened and New Covenant Israel appeared. Those great spiritual miracles were wrought by Christ, the Son of God, in the spring of AD 30. Unfortunately, preterists are unable to discern that spiritual fact and instead make the false and demeaning claim that those miracles were accomplished through mere natural means by a mere mortal, namely, Titus, the son of the Roman emperor, in autumn of AD 70.


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I, as a Preterist, am in full agreement that every Spiritual miracle was wrought by Christ at His death on the cross. I agree that the yoke of the law was broken. I agree that the gates of Heaven were opened. I agree that New Covenant Israel was established at that time. In the Spiritual rhealm all of these things became wondrously true at Christ's death. But in the physical religious world of the 1st century, they were not proven a reality until God ended the OT method of worship by destroying the Temple. The book of Hebrews speaks in depth about the transition from the Old Covenant to the New. At the time Hebrews was written, the Old Covenant was passing away. It was fading, not so the New Covenant could come(The New was already fully realized in the Spiritual rhealm), but rather so God's New Covenant could be witnessed by everyone, even those who did not have the Holy Spirit - "every eye shall see". Hebrews 9:8 says, "The Holy Spirit is signifying this, that the way into the holy place has not yet been disclosed while the first tabernacle is still standing." The destruction of the Temple was the earthly unveiling of the "true Sons of God", which up until AD 70 were thought by the world to be the practicing Jews, not the Christians. Do you want physical evidence to prove to non-believers that Christ exists? Show them the Temple Mount in Jerusalem! Old Covenant Jewish Worship does not happen today because Christ did exactly what He said He was going to do. On your last point: Yes, Titus led the army that destroyed Jerusalem, but to discount God's orchestration of that destruction is to ignore God's methodology, and His sovereignty. In the OT God often used foreign armies to discipline Israel. Did the OT Prophets give credit to the attacking armies, or did they call those armies a "coming" of God's wrath upon a disobedient people? If you want to know more about God's visitations on the Israelites, do a word study on "clouds". In the OT, clouds symbolized deity, power, and wrath. God often used mortal commanders, such as Titus, and flesh and blood armies, such as the Romans, to cause His spiritual wrath to become a physical human reality.

 

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