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"Full preterist" material is being archived for balanced representation of all preterist views, but is classified under the theological term hyper (as in beyond the acceptable range of tolerable doctrines) at this website.  The classification of all full preterism as Hyper Preterism (HyP) is built upon well over a decade of intense research at PreteristArchive.com, and the convictions of the website curator (a former full preterist pastor).  The HyP theology of final resurrection and consummation in the fall of Jerusalem, with its dispensational line in AD70 (end of old age, start of new age), has never been known among authors through nearly 20 centuries of Christianity leading up to 1845, when the earliest known full preterist book was written.  Even though there may be many secondary points of agreement between Historical/Modern Preterism and Hyper Preterism, their premises are undeniably and fundamentally different.

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It is important to keep in mind that many ideas and doctrines full preterism appeals to - such as the complete end of the Old Covenant world in AD70 - are by no means distinctive to that view.   Many non HyPs believe this as well, so one need not embrace the Hyper Preterist system in order to endorse this view.   Following are exceptional doctrines which, so far as I've seen, are only taught by adherents of Hyper Preterism.:

DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES TAUGHT BY STANDARD FULL PRETERISM

  • All Bible Prophecy was Fulfilled By AD70

  • Atonement Incomplete at Cross ; Complete at AD70

  • The Supernatural Power of Evil Ended in AD70

  • The Spirit of Antichrist was Destroyed in AD70

  • "The Consummation of the Ages" Came in AD70

  • "The Millennium" is in the Past, From AD30 to AD70

  • Nothing to be Resurrected From in Post AD70 World ; Hades Destroyed

  • The Christian Age Began in AD70 ; Earth Will Never End

  • "The Day of the Lord" was Israel's Destruction ending in AD70

  • The "Second Coming" of Jesus Christ Took Place in AD70-ish

  • The Great Judgment took place in AD70 ; No Future Judgment

  • The Law, Death, Sin, Devil, Hades, etc. Utterly Defeated in AD70

  • "The Resurrection" of the Dead and Living is Past, Having Taken Place in AD70

  • The Context of the Entire Bible is Pre-AD70 ; Not Written To Post AD70 World

DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES TAUGHT BY VARIOUS FORMS
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  • Baptism was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)

  • The Lord's Prayer was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)

  • The Lord's Supper was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)

  • The Holy Spirit's Paraclete Work Ceased in AD70 (Cessationism)

  • The Consummation in AD70 Caused Church Offices to Cease (Cessationism)

  • The Resurrection in AD70 Changed the "Constitutional Principle" of Marriage (Noyesism)

  • Israel and Humanity Delivered into Ultimate Liberty in AD70 (TransmillennialismTM)

  • The Judgment in AD70 Reconciled All of Mankind to God ; All Saved (Preterist Universalism)

  • Adam's Sin No Longer Imputed in Post AD70 World ; No Need to be Born Again (Preterist Universalism)

  • When Jesus Delivered the Kingdom to the Father in AD70, He Ceased Being The Intermediary (Pantelism/Comprehensive Grace?)

  • The Book of Genesis is an Apocalypse; is About Creation of First Covenant Man, not First Historical Man (Covenantal Preterism)

 

 

 

Word Games on the Rapture

By Gabor Gombor (bi-ga@freemail.hu)
   Date: 24 Nov 2003

 Word Games on Rapture - Preterist Rapture
Or does the spiritual rapture exclude the physical?

Brother Dr. Birks is trying to prove that “harpazo” is about spiritual movement, not a physical one and in addition the Greek word does not contain any indication of direction. Some examples listed, the case of Philip, the case of hireling and wolf, and the rapture of Paul or his friend. The main point that the rapture occured in spiritual sense, and did not affect the body. Altough anyone can be convinced that all “caught” can refer to spiritual event (when we see the main point of the parable), no one convinced us that why does a physical exclude a spiritual one. The problem with word play that listing all references of a word in the Bible, does not prove that we have no exceptions. The word list in all cases – proves only possibility and not uniformity. If anyone sees divine inspiration also in grammar, please check the problems of Greek grammar/language in many NT letters. In addition, the aramaic versions of NT (Peshitta, Pesitto) use the word “netkhep”, meaning „to seize, to snatch”. The same aramaic word appears in Acts. 27.15 (a really physical seize of a ship) or in Acts. 6.12 (physical seize of Stephen by Jews). And what does prove that the Greek world hasn’t preverb? Aramaic hasn’t at all as the Greek has, and for example, in my language there are no word „rapture”, it does exist only with preverb. ( Elragadtatás :-) )

But there is a problem with Paul’s account of Third Heaven. Paul was – no matter that in body or not in body – only temporary in the Paradise. Since Paul did not resurrected in that point into the heavenly body and did not got back his original body after the event – he could raptured only spiritual way like John in Patmos. In a vision or in a dream. But how can be concluded that the rapture of 1Thess. 4.17 is also a temporal rapture? Where is it in the text of 1Thess 4 that the believers changed and then went back to the everyday life? Paul told that the rapture occured with the resurrected dead. These dead aren’t spiritually “dead”, 1Co. 15.18, 19 explains that the earthy life and physical death in the subject. These dead people were the relatives, friends, brother - dead in Christ - and their destiny after death was in question in the mind of thessalonian people – who had strong pagan influence about after-death filled with fear. If the rapture was only spiritual we have a very interesting scenario: dead in Christ resurrected and got incorruptible body, en route they met with the raptured saints and then, the raptured returned to the Earth, spiritually changed, the dead remain in heaven. Does the Bible contain this scenario? The resurrected dead were together with the raptured people and were ever with the Lord. Look a little bit closer this phrase, “ever with the Lord”. What does it mean? If the rapture was only spiritual, then the “with the Lord” has also spiritual meaning here. But were the christians with the Lord before rapture? The christians already in spiritual unity with Christ, “But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.” (1Co. 6.17), “Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?” (2Co. 13.5), “But of him are ye in Christ Jesus” (1Co. 1.30). If the rapture was only spiritual, what news the comfort of 1Thess 4 does contain? Will the believer feel better the unity after the spiritual rapture? I think 1Thess 4.17 is a very serious promise and new information, not only an affirmation of the already known spiritual unity.

The critic who stands again the physical rapture fights against a picture of saints flying into the space. It is the next word game with the “air”. Why did not use the author the world “ouranos” here? Let us realize that a rapture does not require flying into sky. The spiritual-physical rapture does not require for a body to fly up. The body can simply disappear and the invisible new uncorrupted body emanates to the Lord. Does it sound impossible? Some examples in the Bible:

Luk. 24.31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
Gen. 5.24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
Jdg. 6.21 Then the angel of the LORD put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and there rose up fire out of the rock, and consumed the flesh and the unleavened cakes. Then the angel of the LORD departed out of his sight.

Surely will be anyone who questions the above passages, but as we see, the angels (who are like resurrected men) could also disappear. The way of Christ is in Acts. 1.1 was also not visible on the sky. Christ simply disappeared – “a cloud received him”. Therefore we don’t need the "aer-ouranos" word play because the raptured were simply disappeared in the “aer”. If a spiritual-physical rapture occured at Parusia, we don’t need to doubt that it was a spiritual meeting - not a physical one. By the way I don’t understand how anyone imagines a physical meeting in the sky? Of course, it is a heavenly meeting of raptured saints in the spiritual body. But this interpretation does not mean that they did not disappear also physically in that minute when the old body lost! Please remember to episode written in Acts. 16.26 and 27 where God clearly demonstrated that He capable to seize His children from the wrath. After such events why it is unusual to believe that the christians were waiting for a likewise event?

Only in this place, the physical means more than spiritual, because there are no such thing “only physical rapture” when we talking about a non-temporal event. Only spiritual can exist – these are the visions and dreams - but only physical not. If a man raptured into the another realm and never come back, then his body changed, the old disappear and the new spiritual body travels to the Lord.

Brother Michael has problems with the Pella episode. Why did the christians leave the city if they could raptured with divine fly into sky? Why were they warned to run? The great tribulation is not the coming. Thess. 4.17 is strictly about the exact time of coming. (“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven “) The Mt 24 chapter is clear that the running, the great tribulation is only the sign of the coming, because “So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.” If rapture ever happened, it was after the fleeing. Not to mention that it is an error to bound the rapture event to the siege of Jerusalem – saints could be everywhere on the evangelized “whole word” worth to rapture.

There are problems also with the Jn. 14 account. I don’t think Jn. 17.15 can used to prove there was no rapture because – as futurists already explained – “taking out of the world” is about the missionary time, the apostles had complete their task before Parusia. In this time they were not miraculously seized from the world but it does not exclude the hope and comfort of thessalonian passage. Identifying world with earth here also can be an error, the world here does not mean the physical planet but the world order, note 1Jn. 2.14-17, 1Co. 5.10 („for then must ye needs go out of the world.”) They were not removed from OT world, they must lived and worked in that circumstances while their work will be done.

In addition it is doubtful to believe that the heavenly places were the New Jerusalem. Christ said „that where I am, there ye may be also” and we know Christ was on the right hand of the Father after the ascension. Therefore the heavenly places, where Christ is, cannot be New Jerusalem spiritually descended on the Earth. Why Christ did need to prepare places to disciples in New Jerusalem? It is not so natural that the disciples/apostles already had places in the earthy New Jerusalem? They were not saints free from the judgement elected before times? What places were in New Jerusalem for them, whose majority were already dead before New Jerusalem exists at all? Heavenly places, where Christ is, where Father is, where the angels are - must be the place in another realm, after the death. New Jerusalem was a promise to all people in Christ – to the Church - heavenly places and rapture were a promise to the remained saints after the tribulation. The first one is an eternal kingdom to all, the last one is temporal promise connected to the Parusia at AD 70.

The promises of 1Thess 4.17 is about a memorable spiritual meeting with the Lord. According to spiritual rapture view, the saints returned and continue their lives and building the Church. I would like ask again what version is more probable:

1. The saints raptured and returned, continue their lives and nobody told about these experiences anything.
2. The saints raptured both spiritually and physically (disappear) and only guessing remained about their fate in that great turmoil.

The dramatic classification of “first class” and “second class” christians does not help to solve the problem. If anyone uses this definition, what does it really mean? Who are a first class or second class christian? I can’t imagine such distinction. We are talking about real people, taken from life. Only one day in the war or tribulation could be enough to become spiritually blind and crying for relatives instead of watching the signs. It does mean that these people remain second-class? I think not. They become saints more later in their lives even if they didn’t see the Parusia. The saints after completing their task leaved the world but all information and teaching were available to the great majority remained here. They were not second class christians, they were scared and sad people who continue and advancing their lives in Christ after Parusia. Even more, I think they never knew the truth about the saints because this "blindness" made more easier to continue the life. They lived in hard times, it could be very harmful to know what really happened. They got the New Jerusalem as the saints got the heavenly places in the heaven.

Perhaps we all are in the trap of words, what is literal, what is physical and what is spiritual. I don’t believe in only-physical rapture visible on the sky, I don’t believe in a temporal, forgotten spiritual change, I would like talk with preterists about a possibility of a spiritual rapture including physical disappearance.I think all saints disappeared and the oral traditions saved only the never-happened, mythical acts of them or simply their death. They disappeared and nobody heard of them anymore. And it was good for the young Church. Of course, it is a scenario.

Cheers, Gabor

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