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Those who lived before AD70 could only 'see in part' and such, lacking
the resurrection and redemptive blessings which supposedly came only
Herod's Temple in Jerusalem
fell. Accordingly, AD70 was not only the end of Old
Testament Judaism, but it was also the end of the revelation of
Christianity as seen in the New Testament.
AD70 Dispensationalism: According to that view, AD70 was the end of 'this age' and the start of the 'age to come'. Those who lived before AD70 could only 'see in part' and such, lacking the resurrection and redemptive blessings which supposedly came only when Herod's Temple in Jerusalem fell. Accordingly, AD70 was not only the end of Old Testament Judaism, but it was also the end of the revelation of Christianity as seen in the New Testament.
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the convictions of
the website curator (a
former full preterist pastor). The HyP
theology of final resurrection and consummation in the fall of Jerusalem, with its dispensational line in AD70
(end of old age, start of new age), has never been known among authors
through nearly 20 centuries of Christianity leading up
to 1845, when the earliest known full preterist book was written.
Even though there may be many secondary points of agreement between
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SOME DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES OF SYSTEMATIZED HYPER PRETERISM
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DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES TAUGHT BY STANDARD FULL PRETERISM
DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES TAUGHT BY VARIOUS FORMS
If Christ Has Not Come
By Richard K. McPherson
This article is about the Second Coming of Christ. The main ideas came from an article by
T.D. “New Testament Realized Eschatology”. We will look at each one and see if the Bible is a true book and if God knows what he is talking about. Does God know how to tell time? The answer to that question is “yes”, because he is the creator of time. The time statements in the Bible, which is “God-breathed” or “inspired”, are written in a way that man is able to understand. A “generation” is always used as 40 years and 70 years is 70 years in man’s time, a long time means a long time and “soon” means “soon”.
R.C. Sproul puts it this way, “The issues raised with the respect to the time-frame references of the New Testament to the Parousia are vitally important not only for eschatology, but for the future debate over the credibility of Sacred Scripture.” Mr. Sproul looks beyond the creeds and traditions and looks at the scriptures for truth. I know he is not a Full Preterist, but at least he really studying the word for truth. His son might learn from his father so he want make the same mistakes. If God said it then it has to be true. Also in this article, our beliefs and teachings have consequences. Why do Partial Preterists and Futurists teach and believe one thing and the Bible teaches just the opposite? Which is more important, to believe God or creeds and traditions by men? They would answer that question by saying, “God”. Their actions speak louder that their words. I am not putting down any particular person or their relationship with God, just their belief and the consequences it may have. Talk is cheap and action speaks volumes.
Names mention in this article, I am not denying their love for God, but I do have to question their beliefs and motives. In preaching one thing while the Bible says another is a BIG problem. The problem is not what they are saying, but what they are not saying. I question their type of “God” they worship. In their belief their God is someone that is confused, forgetful and strange. Their actions speak louder than their words. Some of their beliefs in God and who Jesus is need to be questioned.
(1) If Christ has not come, then we are still waiting to be where he is.
John 14:3: “And I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.”
Verse 18: “I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.”
Verse 28: “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."
Every time a person dies, you hear the preacher says that the deceased person is gone to be with Jesus. What he is saying is Jesus in not here with us on this earth. You have to die in order to be with Jesus. At the same time, you hear the same preacher say in his sermons that Jesus is here. Which one is it? Is He here or in Heaven with the Father? Futurists teach something that is really funny. They teach that when a person dies the spirit goes back to the Father and the body turns back to dust from hence it was made. When Jesus returns on the clouds the spirit that is in Heaven returns back to the body and then the physical body is then raised from the grave and start flying in the air to be with Jesus so it can be changed back into the form it was before and enters back into heaven. Some even teach that when a person dies the spirit goes back to God in Heaven to be with Jesus, when Jesus returns to the earth from Heaven to set up His kingdom. All of those people that with Jesus are no longer with Him, because Jesus is on the earth.
(2) If Christ has not come, then we are still waiting for the plan of redemption to be fulfilled.
Revelation 10:7 “But in the days when the seventh angel is about to (mello) sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”
Ephesians 4:30 “And do no grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.”
How many times have you heard in sermons that we have been redeemed? There is even a songs about it, “Redeemed, How I Love To Proclaim It, Since I Have Been Redeemed, Victory In Jesus” just to name a few. If the first century Christians were waiting to be redeemed, then we should be waiting to be redeemed if Jesus has not returned, in order to be consistent with the Bible. Futurists and Partial Preterists here is a question for you. What and when is the “day of redemption”? Why do you teach something that goes against the word of God? See comments: #3 and #12.
(3) If Christ has not come, then we are still waiting to be individually redeemed from our sins.
Luke 21:28 “When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”
Colossians 1:13-14 “For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness (the Law, Old Covenant) and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption for forgiveness of sins.
See comments: #2 and #14. In Luke 21:28, this has to be 70 AD, because of two reasons: 1) It is before the verse 32,”..this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.”
2) If PP believes that Matthew 24:1-34 is 70 AD then to be consistent they must believe that this is 70 AD.
Futurists are still waiting for redemption to happen and if this is true then we are not forgiving from our sins and the law is still intact. See comments: #5. Jack Van Impe, Tim LaHaye, Chuck Smith better get their act together, because beliefs like that have very serious consequences.
(4) If Christ has not come, then we are still in the "last days," 1900 years later.
Hebrews 1:1-2 “In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.”
Acts 2:16-20 “No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel; “In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions your old men will dream dreams. Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy. I will show wonders I the heavens above and signs on the earth below, blood and fire and billows of smoke. The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.”
If we are still in the “last days”, where are the signs and wonders? Who is prophesying today? PP says that we are living in the last days, but without prophesy, signs and wonders. You can not have one without the other. Everything goes hand in hand. This also goes against this text, but Matthew 24:29, which they believe is part of 70 AD, because it is before the break verse 34. Here is a example that one belief is not consistent with another belief. PP what you are really saying is that God does not have a clue what He is saying. You are twisting scripture to make it fit your creeds, belief or statements of faith. Futurist on the other hand like Tim LaHaye and Jack Van Impe, believe that we are still in the “last days” and the last part of verse 16 -20 is still waiting to happen literally. Benny Hinn and others are so far off from scripture that they contradict themselves, every time they open their mouth.
I have even seen a web page that is a FP and they still believe that the miraculous gifts are still here. Scripture should be our FINIAL authority. It says they have cease, and then they have cease with no questions asked. See comments: # 7.
(5) If Christ has not come, not one jot or tittle has passed from the Law.
Matthew 5:17-18 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill then. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear. Not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.”
PP and Futurist have a hard time explaining this one. It clearly states that heaven and earth will disappear, (Matthew 24:35, Mark 13:31, Luke 21:33) before the Law will disappear. It even says that “everything” must be accomplished before the Law will disappear. That “everything” is all of prophecies about Christ in the Old Testament. If there is just one thing left then we, today should be under the Law. Futurist teaches that Matthew 24 is all future. This includes Matthew 24:15. If that is true, we should be under the Law of Moses today. PP and Futurist teaches that we are under the law of Christ, but the Bible say something else. You want to take the Bible literally, and then take this one literally. You might want to rethink you beliefs on this one. Did heaven and earth disappear? (Yes or No) Has everything in the Law and Prophets been fulfilled? (Yes or No) A “No” answer to any of these questions brings about some problems. Look at the phrase “I tell you the truth”, Jesus (God) is telling the truth or He is lying. See comments on number 15. Your beliefs have consequences. In Like 16:17 it says, “It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stoke of a pen to drop out of the Law.”
(6) If Christ has not come, then some Christians are being quite aged.
Matthew 16:27-28 “For the Son of Man is going to (mello) come in his Father’s glory with his angles, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done. I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” Jesus is talking to his disciples.
1 Thessalonians 5:23 “May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at
Jesus Christ." Paul is talking to Christians in Thessalonica.
1 Corinthians 15:51) “Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep (die), but we will all be changed—…..” Paul is talking to Christians in Corinth.
* Mark 14:62 “…..And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven”. Jesus is talking to the high priest (Caiaphas, Matthew 26:57), teachers of the law, elders.
* Revelation 1:7 “Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him; even those who pierce him and all people of the earth will morn because of him. So shall it be Amen."
These scriptures clearly state that there were certain people would be alive when Jesus would return. Tim LaHaye and Chuck Smith teach that Matthew 16:27-28 are talking about things that will happen a week later (chapter 17). Here are some problems with that teaching. In context chapter 17 is talking about the Mount of Transfiguration.
1.) Which disciple died during that week latter?
2.) Where did Jesus go that the disciples did not see him for a week?
3.) Where were the angels in chapter 17? They are in Matthew 24:31.
4.) Was there a judgment that happens a week later? (Chapter 17)
5.) Did the “kingdom” come a week later?
A “No” to any of these questions puts a big whole in that teaching. All PP (understand that there are some PP that puts this text Matthew 16:27-28 with 70 AD) and all futurist teach that Christ has NOT come, then according to scripture there must be a very old person still living. What kind of God do you know? A God that means what he says or one that forgets what He says. Start teaching truth instead a lie.
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(7) If Christ has not come, then the charismata (tongues, prophecy, etc.) are still in effect.
1 Corinthians 13:8-10 “Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away, For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.”
I am going to go out on a limb. What I am about to say, even some in the Full Preterist camp may disagree with me. I would like to add the following text. It has to do with pastors (elders) (The denominational world misuses this word.), preachers, and apostles into this section. You might be thinking that this is going to the extreme. Am I taking this out of context? If I am wrong, prove it to me. You will see more on this subject on my web site.
* Ephesians 4:11-13 “It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors (shepherds, elders) and teachers, to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ my be build up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of he Son of God and become mature, attaining the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.”
The first text is quite simple to understand. There were tongues, prophecy, and healings until when? The perfection comes. The perfect being Jesus coming in 70 AD. The next text is a little to swallow. God gave some to be apostles, prophets, evangelists, shepherds, teaches to do what? If the body is not built up then where are the apostles and prophets? Does that mean that the apostles failed, the prophets failed, so everything is left up to the others. Was the “unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God” ever happened? Did the first century Christians ever reach the “whole measure of the fullness of Christ”? I say “YES”. When? 70 AD. In 1 Peter 5, Peter is talking to the elders in assemblies throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia (1:1). Peter is telling the elders how to be shepherds of God’s flock (5:2). In verse 4, “And when the Chief Shepherd (Jesus) appears, you will received the crown of glory that will never fad away.” In verse 10 it says, “…after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you…” What does “a little while” mean? First Peter was written around 60 AD. That is ten years from the appearing of the “Chief Shepherd”. I have much more on this topic on my web page under “Issues After 70 AD”. You can go to the Preterist Archive Links and click on “Save Christianity: Fire the Preacher. If you think that is far out just wait until my “Issues After 70 AD” comes out. Can you prove with scripture alone, why they should still exist?
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(8) If Christ has not come, then we still wait the day when Christ will finally accomplish that which He said he would do over 1900 years ago, when it was declared He "would not tarry." (Yet we hear many preachers today say, "We will meet again next week, if the Lord tarries," as if it is a given that the Lord has tarried all this time).
Hebrews 10:37 “For in just a very little while, “He who is coming will come and will not delay.””
*Revelation 3:11 “I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown.”
Revelation 10:6 “And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, “There will be no more delay!””
22:20 “He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon””
God through His word told the first century Christians that he was coming soon, without delay. God, who is creator of time, spoke to man using words and phrase that he could understand. Jesus meant what He said and He said what He meant. “Soon” meant “soon” not 2000 years and still counting. When the writer of Hebrews told the Jewish believers that Jesus would not delay, he meant it. To add anything to it would a slap on God’s face.
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(9) If Christ has not come, then the dead are still waiting to enter into heaven, and, to this day, "sleep" in their graves, waiting to enter into his rest.
1 Corinthians 15:20-23 “But at this moment Christ stands risen from the dead, the first one offered in the harvest of those who have died. For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead also came through a man. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ will all be made alive. However, this will happen to each person in the proper order: first Christ, then those who belong to Christ when he comes.”
What kind of “death” did Adam bring? Spiritual. What kind of “Life” did Jesus bring at His coming? Spiritual. The word “ALL”, people has a problem with. I don’t. Before you go any farther please read my article on “Does Satan Exist Today”. It explains in detail why “death”, “sin” are no more and why “Satan” does not exist today. All three are tied together. You can not have one without the other. Remember, who was Paul to? What is the setting of the text? Who is the “all”? The save people in the First Century. “All” of them, not us today. This text is clearly talking about a pre-70AD event.
Death came through Adam and the resurrection of the dead came through a man called Jesus. The resurrection of the dead is for the rightness and for the uprightness. (Matthew 25 and others) The judgment was for the rightness and uprightness. When did these two events happen? 70 AD at Jesus’ coming. If the resurrection has already happen then the first part really doesn’t apply to us today, correct. The next two verses are where people have problems. Some want to say that “all” die in Adam and “all” are made alive in Christ, which translate that “Everyone was saved and will be saved.” (If God wants to save everyone then he has that right, because God is God. Who am I to question God?) To teach that, is to take the text out of context. You have to read verse 22 and 23 together to the meaning of text. In this two verse the “all” is referring to the save only, (the first century Christians) not to the lost. If you look at verse 23 it says, “However, this will happen to each person in the proper order: (What order?) (1) first Christ, (2) then those who belong to Christ (When will this happen) when he comes.” (3) The lost. Since we know that the resurrection happened to the save and lost at the same time, we can see that there was an order to the resurrection. (Who is the “we” in 1 Corinthians 15:51? See number : 6.
1 Thessalonians 4:16 “With a shout of command, with the archangel's call, and with the sound of God's trumpet, the Lord himself will come down from heaven, and the dead in Christ will rise first.”
You might want to read the book of Hebrews and see how things in our Old Testament were shadows of the New Testament, what we are living today.
(10) If Christ has not come, then the Old Covenant is still waiting to vanish away.
Hebrews 8:13 “By calling this covenant “new”, he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.”
10:8-9 “Fist he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor where you pleased with them” (although the law required them to be made). Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second.”
If you ask anyone, “Are we under the “law” or “Old Covenant”? The answer would be a big “No!” We don’t go to Jerusalem once a year and sacrifice animals. Do we have a high priest that goes into the most holy place and makes atonements for our sins for the pass year? Do we today follow the rules and regulations that God gave Moses? NO is answered to all of those questions. This one and number (5) go a little together. In the fist text what was “obsolete and aging will soon disappear”? What is the “new” Covenant? The New Covenant did not start at the cross or on the day of Pentecost as PP and Futurist teach. This text tells us that the Old Covenant was still active after those two events. Hebrews was written somewhere around 67-68 AD. References to the temple (Hebrews 10:11, 13:10-11) indicate that the book was written prior to the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Why do PP and Futurist teach something that is not in the Bible?
In the second text, what was the “first” that had to be set aside for the “second”? Verse 8 tells us the Old Covenant (the law) and everything that went with.
(11) If Christ has not come, then we can still miss salvation after having been partakers of the Holy Ghost.
Hebrews 6:4-6 “If is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age (the age that came in 70 AD and what we are living in today), if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjection him to public disgrace.”
This passage discusses believers who “fall away” (verse 6) by consciously rejecting the spiritual enlightenment they have received (verse 4). They had experience the taste of God’s goodness (verse 5), and even have been part of the assembly. They have given intellectual assent to the truth of Christianity. In turning away from the sacrifice of Christ and returned to Judaism (the Old Covenant system, the law), they rejected the only means to salvation, which God has provided.
2 Corinthians 5:5 “Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a deposit guaranteeing what is to come”
The first century Christians had only a “deposit” while we, today have assurance.
(12) If Christ has not come, we are still waiting to be adopted as sons.
* Romans 8:18-19 “I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed.”
Romans 8:23 “ Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.”
See comments on number 2 and 3. Again preachers say, “We are adopted son to God”. The above text states that even the first century christens were waiting to be adopted. Then how can we be adopted? Adoption as sons and redemption goes hand and hand. PP and Futurist need to get their Bibles out and reread it.
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(13) If Christ has not come, we are still waiting for salvation.
Hebrews 9:27-28 “Just as man is destined to die once, and after that face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away sins of many people and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.”
Galatians 5:5 “But by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope.”
* Romans 13:11-12 “And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from you slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we fist believed. The night is nearly over; the day is almost here.
Why do PP and Futurist teach that “salvation” is here today? The Bible clearly teaches that the coming of Christ and “salvation” goes hand in hand. The Bible clearly teaches that when Jesus returns, then salvation comes. The first century Christians was looking for salvation. If they did not have salvation, because Jesus has not come; then we should not have it today. PP and Futurist it is just plan logic. In the Romans text, do you notice is says “present time” and “the day is almost here”? The first century people were expecting Jesus’ return in their lifetime. If that did not come true the apostles lied or misunderstood what Jesus was teaching them or Jesus lied and did not understand what He was saying to His disciples. You decide.
(14) If Christ has not come, we are still dead in our sins. If Jesus is still in the Most Holy Place (Heaven) and our sins will not be forgiven until he leaves.
Hebrews 9:23-28 "It was necessary, then, for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence. Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by sacrifice of himself, Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrifice once to take away sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.”
If you read the book of Hebrews, you will notice that throughout the book it compares the Old Covenant with the New Covenant. It states that the Old were a shadow of the New. In the above text, it is comparing Jesus entering Heaven by calling it the Most Holy Place. The Most Holy Place under the Old Covenant is where the High Priest went in and made atonement for sins committed in the past year. The sins were not forgiving (rolled back) until the High Priest come out of the Most Holy Place. If you read Josephus, the Jews even tied a rope on the High Priest just in case something happened to him, so they could drag him out. Hebrews 4:14 tells us that we have a “great High Priest…Jesus the Son of God..” Jesus went to heaven (Acts 1), which is call the Most Holy Place, in the presence of God to “do away with sin”. See my article on “Does Satin Exist Today”. The article goes into detail about “the end, sin, death, the law” and 1 Corinthians 15:24-25.
Why do we preach that our sins will be forgiving as soon as we ask for forgiveness? We preach one thing while the Bible says another. According to this text, they will not be forgiving until Jesus leaves heaven (the Most Holy Place). The first century Christians was so certain that His return was in their lifetime. What event happened with the phrase “at the end of the ages to do away with sin..”? Look at Daniel 9:24 and Matthew 24:15. PP this must have happened on 70 AD, because it is before Matthew 24.34. Futurists like Tim LaHaye and Chuck Smith and others teach that Matthew 24:1-3 is 70 AD, verses 4-ff in a future coming and end of the world. See comments: # 11 and 13
(15) If Christ has not come, we make Christ a liar.
Hebrews 6:18 “….which it is impossible for God to lie,…
There is not a person that will openly say that Jesus Christ, God, the Creator lied. If Jesus lied about one little thing, then why believe anything He says. When Jesus says that something will happen, it will happen and in the time frame he said it will happen. When the readers read or the hearers heard those words from Jesus, “Behold, I am coming soon.” It happed the way he said it. John Bray puts it this way, “God is a God of order and not confusion”. All of these time statements that Jesus said either came true or he lied. How could Jesus in Matthew 24 be talking about two different comings thus confusing the disciples? To make matters worse, the disciples taught only what they were taught and Jesus did nothing about correcting them. To teach something or to believe something that the Bible says just the opposite is in a way telling God, “We don’t trust you”. It is that simple. PP and Futurist, ask you this question. Do I want to believe what God says or do I want to believe what man says? The choice is yours. God’s word should be treated as fact and truth or full of lies.
Futurist’s and PP beliefs are very serious when it comes to God’s word. Beliefs do have consequences. It is about time to set aside traditions, creeds and statements of faith and let God speak for Himself. There are even Full Preterist have believe things that totally goes against the Bible. For example: I have seen web pages that believe in Full Preterism, but still believe in tongues, healing. etc. There are some that believe that it is of to have more that one wife. What do the scriptures say? They fall into the same trap with the Futurist and PP. Will only FP be saved? NO! I have seen PP and Futurist actions and their life they live and some of them have a better relationship with God than FP do. I have seen the HATE on web pages and the tone of the voice. There is on web site that is listed on the Preterist Archive that will not be listed on my, because of that same reason. This web page state that the only people that have it all together are those who believe in Full Preterism and Calvinism and even the name on the church building. We need to grow beyond that.
There are many articles on each of the issue presented. Read them and study them for yourself. The only place that has answers to your questions, are the scriptures and scriptures alone. Each of us grows in a relationship with God and with others differently. Some may grow faster that others, but that is OK. Keep praying for wisdom. I pray that this article will help you in any way. I hope you can see how certain beliefs and ideas have consequences. I have receive many e-mails for my thoughts on my articles on “Baptism, After 70 AD” and “Why The “Church” Is Not The Kingdom”. They are coming soon. I have had hard drive problems and lost part of them. At the same time, I am working on my web site (www.perterism-eschatology.com) and trying to get it online. I am putting the finishing touches on it so it will be up and running before the year is up, Lord’s willing. So as you can see, I am working on four things, counting this article at the same time.
I welcome you comments. I know there will be disagreements just like there were on my other articles, “The Lord’s Supper-Is It Still required” and “Does Satan Exist Today”. If you think I’m far out on some of my comments on this article just wait until my web site comes out. You haven’t seen anything yet. Some of the Issues After 70 AD are covered for example: “The Church and Worship”, “Denominations”, “Relationships”, “Should elders, preachers, deacons Still Exist” (Number 7 is an example on that one.), “A Case Against Church Buildings” and others. Like I have stated in all of my articles, if I am wrong I’ll changed, but it must be showed to me with scripture alone. If I am taking scripture out of context, let me know. There is no one that knows everything about Preterism, Calvinism or any other topic. Knowing God and who He is, is a lifetime of study and prayer. Again don’t take my or anyone word for the truth. Study it and search it out for yourself and you will see your relationship with God grow.
I hope each reader will realize that there were things that were tied in Jesus’ return. We have heard sermons after sermons about each one of these issues that are in this article. I hope that what we preach matches what the Bible says. There is NO middle ground when it comes to the word of God. One must look at the whole picture in order to come to a conclusion. Sometimes I don’t understand how preachers can preach things that the Bible says just the opposite. We should have the same attitude that Peter and the other apostles had in Acts 5:29: “…We must obey God rather that men!” To me, creeds and statements of faith serve no purpose. Martin Luther didn’t have one until people force him to make one. After he did, he regretted it because he spent the rest of his life in trying to defend it, which took time away from teaching “Scripture Alone” Just because they have scripture in there doesn’t make them true. Even Satan used scripture in temping Jesus. It is your life and how you live it, is what the world sees. Do we practice what we preach? Do we use the Bible for the only source of information? Is our relationship with God and man, what it should be? Let us not become “proud” in our debates or study periods with other people. Acappella has a song title: “Are We Teaching the Truth in Love”. The world will respond to the “Truth”, if our actions and attitude is in the form of “Love”.
2 Timothy 2:16-17 “All Scripture is God-Breathed (inspired) and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.” This is why we should put His word into our hearts and into our daily lives. We as servants of the Most High should have nothing to fear. God has done EVERYTHING he set out to do and to deny one thing is to deny God himself. Twisting Scripture out of context is a mockery to God. PP and Futurists need to reread their Bible. I would like the PP tell us which coming goes to any of the above issues. The Futurist needs to rethink everything, because under their belief we should be living under the Law of Moses still, to be consistent with scripture.
I, myself do not like “statements of faith” on web sites, because even with those there are not consistent with scripture. Why don’t we just use the Bible at face value? If God says it then it has to be true. Looking in God’s word and looking at the WHOLE picture is the way we should at scripture.
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A generation in the Bible is NOT always 40 years. God referred to Noah's last 100 years before the flood as a generation (Gen. 7:1). See also Gen. 15:12-16. Christ's parousia involved the spiritual judgment of the world in the first century in fulfillment of the natural judgment of the world by the universal flood, thus the references to the flood in Mt. 24:37-39 and 2 Pe. 3:5,6. Therefore, "this generation" in Mt. 24:34 and Mk. 13:30 was the fulfillment of "this generation" in Gen. 7:1. The flood occurred on the last day of Noah's last 100 pre-flood years and in fulfillment Christ's parousia occurred on the last day of the true first century.
Answer to Comment: Check you Hebrew: "Gen 7:1 And Jehovah said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation." This "generation" in Hebrew means, H1755 דּר דּור dôr dôr dore, dore From H1752; properly a revolution of time, that is, an age or generation; In this text God told Noah to get into the ark, because Noah was found righteous in this generation (Noah's generation). Noah was the only righteous person living in his generation. I know there were seven more people that were save, but the text is talking about Noah. How can you see a fulfillment of Gen. 7:1 in Matthew 24:34? In context, the writter is using the flood example in telling the destruction of the Jewish nation will come upon them like the flood came upon the people living in Noah's time or generation. Why don't read the article called: "Dear Dispensationalist Friend" by Todd Dennis. Keep scripture in context and it will make life a little easier.
It's a matter of Bible typology -- a phenomenally weak point with preterists. Noah and the ark were a TYPE of Christ and the church. During Noah's last 100 pre-flood years he brought three natural sons into the world, and built the ark, and on the last day of that 100 years the universal flood resulted in the typifyng NATURAL judgment of the world. In the amazing spiritual fulfillment, during the true first century (eliminating the four-year error in our calendar), Christ brought countless spiritual sons into the world, and built the church, and on the last day of that 100 years his parousia resulted in the SPIRITUAL judgment of the world.
Preterism's view of 2 Peter 3 is incorrect. That chapter explains the important difference between God's method of judging the ungodly pre-flood world in Noah's day and his method of judging the ungodly post-flood world at the end of the first century. Verses 5,6 refer to the NATURAL judgment of the pre-flood world (judgment by water) and verses 7-13, in connection with God's gracious promise to Noah (Gen. 9:11-15), refer to the SPIRITUAL judgment of the post-flood world (spoken of as judgment by fire). First the natural things of the OT, then the spiritual things of the NT (1 Cor. 15:46). The language of 2 Peter 3 does not support the claim that while the heavens and earth in verses 5,6 refer to the natural world, the heavens and earth in verses 7-13 refer to natural Israel.
Christ did not "leave heaven" at his parousia 1,900 years ago. He brought heaven (his presence) to the earth! At his parousia the spiritual kingdom (reign) of God came on earth as in heaven, forever, in answer to the prayer of Mt. 6:10 and as described in Rev. 21,22. If preterists studied the themes and concepts of the seven feasts of Lev. 23 they'd know that the first 3 feasts deal with God's PEOPLE (natural Israel in the OT and spiritual Israel in the NT) and the last 3 feasts deal with the promised LAND of God's people (tiny Canaan in the OT and the whole world in the NT). The spiritual Israelites were liberated from Satan at the time of Christ's death, burial, resurrection and ascension (they were IN Christ from then on and thus in heaven with him, Eph. 2:5,6) and their spiritual promised land on the earth was liberated from Satan at the time of the resurrection of the dead in Christ at his parousia on the last day of the true first century.
Apparently the author believes that the way into heaven was opened by Titus, the son of the Roman emperor, in autumn of AD 70 rather than by Christ, the Son of God, in the spring of AD 30. An amazingly demeaning concept resulting from preterists' problems with the OT types. Since the natural Israelites were WITH Moses, God's typifying natural deliverer, during the 40 years in the wilderness, the spiritual Israelites were WITH Christ, God's incomparably greater spiritual Deliverer, in heaven (Eph. 2:4-6) during the 40 years AD 30-70 -- they had to be where Christ was because they were IN Christ and were the body of Christ.
Though I am a full preterist, I completely diagree with your statement on the charismata. Eph 4:11-13 is referring to building up fellow memebers of the body of Christ. Compare that with 1 Cor 12:7-28, especially verses 27-28. 1 Cor 12 interprets Eph 4:11-13 rather well. Also, the word 'until' doesn't always imply termination (1 Tim 4:13, 1 Cor 15:25) To say that the Church reached the whole measure of the fullness of Christ in the first century is ludicrous, since you're implying that Christians are no longer need to be sanctified. I know for a fact that I'm not fully mature as described in 1 Cor 13:10 and Eph 4:13. If apostles and prophets do not exist anymore, you're saying teachers, pastors and evangelists do not exist anymore. Your preterism has to be reviewed again. 1 Cor 12-14 has nothing to do with the 2nd coming, especially 1 Corinthians 13:8-10. The Greek word for 'perfect' is 'teleios' which means 'maturity' or 'mature man'. It does NOT mean Jesus Christ. Furthermore, in context to the 1 Cor 13, 'perfect' has to do with the cessation of the misuse of gifts, not the cessation of the gifts. This page has a good argument for the continuation of the gifts: http://www.preteristvision.org/commentaries/1cor13.html Lastly, Heb 6:5 speaks of miracles in the age to come. Rev 22:2 speaks of a need for 'healing'. 2 Cor 3:7-8 is relevant as well. I'd particularly like to know how cessationist preterists interpret Heb 6:5
Dear Full Preterist: ALWAYS look to the OT types for answers. The empowerment of OT, natural Israel with the gift of the law at Sinai was not done away with in any respect after the 40 years in the wilderness. Therefore, the empowerment of NT, spiritual Israel, the church, with the gift of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost was not done away with in any respect at the end of the 40 years AD 30-70.
Dear Richard: What more can any man say? Those who reject Fulfilled Eschatology have to ignore the jaugernaut of Scriptures you have compiled. I marvel at the blindness of well meaning men to the obvious meaning of Scripture. Do words have no mean- ing and time no bearing on what God has said to us? God created the world, but not yesterday or 1,000 years from today! He that is blind can not see the truth no matter how well you defend it. I profit greatly from your articles and Todd's Web Site. Planetpretist.com [Walt Hibbard] has been a great assest to my personal studies. Bob Pelham, N. C. firstname.lastname@example.org
A serious article, but it needs to be edited brother.
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