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It is important to keep in mind that many ideas and doctrines full preterism appeals to - such as the complete end of the Old Covenant world in AD70 - are by no means distinctive to that view.   Many non HyPs believe this as well, so one need not embrace the Hyper Preterist system in order to endorse this view.   Following are exceptional doctrines which, so far as I've seen, are only taught by adherents of Hyper Preterism.:

DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES TAUGHT BY STANDARD FULL PRETERISM

  • All Bible Prophecy was Fulfilled By AD70

  • Atonement Incomplete at Cross ; Complete at AD70

  • The Supernatural Power of Evil Ended in AD70

  • The Spirit of Antichrist was Destroyed in AD70

  • "The Consummation of the Ages" Came in AD70

  • "The Millennium" is in the Past, From AD30 to AD70

  • Nothing to be Resurrected From in Post AD70 World ; Hades Destroyed

  • The Christian Age Began in AD70 ; Earth Will Never End

  • "The Day of the Lord" was Israel's Destruction ending in AD70

  • The "Second Coming" of Jesus Christ Took Place in AD70-ish

  • The Great Judgment took place in AD70 ; No Future Judgment

  • The Law, Death, Sin, Devil, Hades, etc. Utterly Defeated in AD70

  • "The Resurrection" of the Dead and Living is Past, Having Taken Place in AD70

  • The Context of the Entire Bible is Pre-AD70 ; Not Written To Post AD70 World

DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES TAUGHT BY VARIOUS FORMS
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  • Baptism was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)

  • The Lord's Prayer was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)

  • The Lord's Supper was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)

  • The Holy Spirit's Paraclete Work Ceased in AD70 (Cessationism)

  • The Consummation in AD70 Caused Church Offices to Cease (Cessationism)

  • The Resurrection in AD70 Changed the "Constitutional Principle" of Marriage (Noyesism)

  • Israel and Humanity Delivered into Ultimate Liberty in AD70 (TransmillennialismTM)

  • The Judgment in AD70 Reconciled All of Mankind to God ; All Saved (Preterist Universalism)

  • Adam's Sin No Longer Imputed in Post AD70 World ; No Need to be Born Again (Preterist Universalism)

  • When Jesus Delivered the Kingdom to the Father in AD70, He Ceased Being The Intermediary (Pantelism/Comprehensive Grace?)

  • The Book of Genesis is an Apocalypse; is About Creation of First Covenant Man, not First Historical Man (Covenantal Preterism)

 

The Law is Fulfilled

By David Curtis

 

Matthew 5:17-18

A preacher by the name of Wilbur Reese once preached a message in which he presented a listener's guide to sermons. Reese stated that sermons ought to be rated in much the same way that movies were rated.

"G" sermons are messages that are generally acceptable to everyone, they contain phrases such as "Go ye into all the world and smile" or "What the world needs is peace, motherhood, and fewer taxes." Sermons such as these are often greeted with the response "Oh wasn't that marvelous?", or "That was simply wonderful." Every one loves a good "G" message, and they will never offend anyone. There are some people who would refuse to listen to a message that wasn't rated "G"

"PG" sermons are for more mature congregations, and they have mild suggestions for change, but they're subtle enough to allow the preacher to back peddle and change his meaning if he finds that he has inadvertently offended someone. An example of a brilliant "PG" statement would be, "The either/or of the existential situation provides a plethora of alternatives, both specific and non-specific. When one grasps the eschatological aspect of incarnationial Christology." You know that someone has preached a message like this when people walk away in wonderment shaking their heads and saying things like, "That was deep, most thought provoking." Of course if you've done a "PG" sermon really well, nobody actually knows what you said, but nobody is willing to admit it.

Then there are the "R" rated sermons; this is when the Preacher tells it like it is. These usually indicate that the pastor has an outside source of income and a fairly healthy self image. Sermons like these are usually followed by comments such as, "Disturbing or controversial." These sermons definitely aren't intended for everyone, only for those who wish to be challenged in their spiritual walk.

And then there are the "X-rated" sermons. These are the explosive ideas of the kind that got the prophet Amos run out of town, and Jeremiah thrown into the well; that is Jeremiah the prophet not Jeremiah the Bullfrog. When you preach an "X-rated" sermon", you preach them with your suitcase packed and the moving van ready. Comments range from, "Shocking and disgraceful" to "Being in poor taste".

The message that I am going to preach today would be classified by many Christians as "shocking". But it's not my message that is shocking, it is the words of Jesus that are really shocking. D. A. Carson, in his commentary on The Sermon On The Mount says, "Matthew 5:17-20 are among the most difficult verses in all the Bible." Please look carefully at what Jesus said:

Matthew 5:17-18 (NKJV) "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

What is Christ saying here? Look at it carefully. He said that he did not come to destroy but to fulfill the law. Some questions that we need to ask are, "What is the Law? What is destroy verses fulfill. What is heaven and earth? What does "pass away" mean? What is a jot and tittle?

Let's start by attempting to answer the question, "What does Jesus mean by 'the law'?" Jesus said, "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but fulfill" - The use of the terms "the law" and "the prophets" indicates that what the Lord is speaking of in these verses is the whole of the Old Testament. If you trace these terms through your Bible, you will find that wherever this expression is used it includes the entire Old Testament:

Matthew 7:12 (NKJV) "Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Matthew 11:13 (NKJV) "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

Matthew 22:40 (NKJV) "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

The "law" and "the prophets" speak of the entirety of the Old Testament.

One Commentator writes, "Exactly what did Christ here signify by 'the law'? We answer, unhesitatingly, The whole Jewish Law, which was threefold: ceremonial, judicial, and moral. The ceremonial described rules and ordinances to be observed in the worship of God; the judicial described ordinances for the government of the Jewish commonwealth, and the punishment of offenders: the former was for the Jews only; the latter primarily for them, yet concerned all people in all times so far as it tended to establish the moral Law. The moral Law is contained in the Ten Commandments."

He goes on to say, "The ceremonial law has not been destroyed by Christ, but the substance now fills the place of its shadows. Nor has the judicial law been destroyed: though it has been abrogated unto us so far as it was peculiar to the Jews, yet, as it agrees with the requirements of civic justice and mercy, and as it serves to establish the precepts of the moral law, it is perpetual--herein we may see the blasphemous impiety of the popes of Rome, who in the canons have dared to dispense with some of the laws of consanguinity in Leviticus 18. While the moral law remains for ever as a rule of obedience to every child of God, as we have shown so often in these pages."

Did you notice that he divided the law into three categories: moral, judicial (civil), and ceremonial. This started with Thomas Aquinas (1225-74) back in the 13th century, and most Christians seem to have adopted this division. The problem with this is that there is nothing in Scripture to support the idea that the Law should be divided into three parts, such as the ceremonial Law, the civil Law and the moral Law. Most teach that God has done away with the ceremonial and civil aspects of the Law but not with the moral aspect of the Law. Such a distinction is not drawn anywhere in the Scriptures. The Law is viewed as a unit or as a whole. James said that anyone who breaks one point of the Law, breaks the whole Law.

James 2:10 (NKJV) For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

No distinction is made between different types of the Law. The Old Testament Jews who violated a ceremonial aspect of the Law were morally guilty of sin before God. Therefore, the moral and ceremonial aspects went together.

Even if this division was legitimate, it's not clear what "moral" means. Who determines what is moral and what is civil or ceremonial?

Alright, so when Jesus uses the term "law", he is most likely referring to the whole of the Old Testament Scriptures. What does Jesus say here about the Old Testament?

Matthew 5:18 (NKJV) "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

The NKJV "Assuredly, I say to you" is the updated rendering of the KJV, "Verily, I say unto you." This phrase carried great significance, since it prepared the listener that something of great importance was about to be communicated on the authority of the teacher.

What is a "jot or title"? The word "jot" in form was like an apostrophe, not even a letter, not much bigger than a dot. The "tittle" is the little projecting part at the foot of a letter, the little line at each side of the foot of , for example, the letter "t". The message is clear. Not even the smallest part of the law will be abolished until heaven and earth passes away.

The phrase "till heaven and earth pass away" refers to the duration of the whole Old Testament's authority. So, Jesus is saying that not a single item of the Law - the Old Testament - will ever be changed until heaven and earth pass away. Is that what Jesus said? Please notice that the word "till" occurs twice. And it is the first "till" that most people ignore.

D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones, in his commentary on The Sermon On The Mount, writes, "The first proposition is that God's law is absolute; it can never be changed, not even modified to the slightest extent. It is absolute and eternal. Its demands are permanent, and can never be abrogated or reduced 'till heaven and earth pass'. That last expression means the end of the age." He also says, "What is meant by 'the law' and 'the prophets'? The answer is, the whole of the Old Testament."

So, what Lloyd-Jones is saying is that the whole Old Testament is binding on all Christians. Do any of you have a problem with that?

Lloyd-Jones is not the only one who teaches that. Gregg Bahnsen, in his book, Theonomy and Christian Ethics, says on page 73-74, "It is the point of slightness that Jesus is bringing forcefully before us. Not even the very least extensive number of the very least significant aspect of the Old Testamental law will become endowed until heaven and earth pass away. It is hard to imagine how Jesus could have more intently affirmed that EVERY BIT of the old law remains binding in the gospel age."

Is that what Jesus was saying? Look at it again:

Matthew 5:18 (NKJV) "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Let's look at some Old Testament passages and see if we agree that they are binding on us today. Let me ask you a question, "Is it a sin for a Christian to get a tattoo?

Leviticus 19:28 (NKJV) 'You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the LORD.

Is this binding on us? Bahnsen says, "...EVERY BIT of the old law remains binding in the gospel age." This is part of the Law, and it is either binding on us or Heaven and earth have passed away. I see no other alternatives.

How many of you like shell fish? How many of you eat shell fish?

Leviticus 11:9-12 (NKJV) 'These you may eat of all that are in the water: whatever in the water has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers; that you may eat. 10 'But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you. 11 'They shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination. 12 'Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales; that shall be an abomination to you.

Now, according to Jesus, it is a sin for us to eat shell fish unless heaven and earth have passed away.

Leviticus 20:7-8 (NKJV) 'Consecrate yourselves therefore, and be holy, for I am the LORD your God. 8 'And you shall keep My statutes, and perform them: I am the LORD who sanctifies you.

In order to be holy, we are to keep these commands:

Leviticus 20:13-18 (NKJV) 'If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. 14 'If a man marries a woman and her mother, it is wickedness. They shall be burned with fire, both he and they, that there may be no wickedness among you. 15 'If a man mates with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. 16 'If a woman approaches any animal and mates with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood is upon them. 17 'If a man takes his sister, his father's daughter or his mother's daughter, and sees her nakedness and she sees his nakedness, it is a wicked thing. And they shall be cut off in the sight of their people. He has uncovered his sister's nakedness. He shall bear his guilt. 18 'If a man lies with a woman during her sickness and uncovers her nakedness, he has exposed her flow, and she has uncovered the flow of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from their people.

If "every bit" of the Old Testament is to be observed by Christians today, then not only are we to kill people for these various sins, but please notice that along with homosexuality and bestiality is the sin of having sex with a woman who is having her period. Now it is either a sin to have sex with your wife while she is having her period, or heaven and earth have passed away.

Exodus 23:14-17 (NKJV) "Three times you shall keep a feast to Me in the year: 15 "You shall keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread (you shall eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded you, at the time appointed in the month of Abib, for in it you came out of Egypt; none shall appear before Me empty); 16 "and the Feast of Harvest, the firstfruits of your labors which you have sown in the field; and the Feast of Ingathering at the end of the year, when you have gathered in the fruit of your labors from the field. 17 "Three times in the year all your males shall appear before the Lord GOD.

Let me ask you, "How many of you have ever observed these feasts?" To not keep these feasts is to sin. This is either binding on us or what? Heaven and earth have passed away.

In the Church today, many teach that believers are commanded to tithe - that is they are to give ten percent of their income to the church. I heard a radio preacher say, "I have doubts that a person who does not tithe is a Christian." He also said, "One who does not tithe is under the condemnation of God." If we are still under the "law," he is somewhat right. I say somewhat because the Old Testament actually teaches three tithes:

1. THE LEVITE'S TITHE.

We are told in Numbers that the tithe was collected and given to the Levites:

Numbers 18:21 (NKJV) "Behold, I have given the CHILDREN OF LEVI ALL THE TITHES IN ISRAEL as an inheritance in return for the work which they perform, the work of the tabernacle of meeting.

The Levites didn't have the privilege of a piece of property that they could work to make their living like the other tribesmen. They were to do the Lord's work in the tabernacle and temple, and so God provided for their needs. Old Covenant Israel was a Theocracy - a government by the rule of God, mediated through the priests. So, the tithe was collected to support the government, it was taxation, and it was mandatory!

2. THE FESTIVAL TITHE.

Deuteronomy 14:22-35 (NKJV) "You shall truly tithe all the increase of your grain that the field produces year by year. 23 "And you shall eat before the LORD your God, in the place where He chooses to make His name abide, the tithe of your grain and your new wine and your oil, of the firstborn of your herds and your flocks, that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.

This is a second tithe. It was taken to the central sanctuary for the Feast sacrifices. It was to promote unity. So, we have the Levites tithe and the Festival tithe; that comes to 20%. There was also one other:

3. POOR TITHE.

Deuteronomy 14:28-29 (NKJV) "At the end of every third year you shall bring out the tithe of your produce of that year and store it up within your gates. 29 "And the Levite, because he has no portion nor inheritance with you, and the stranger and the fatherless and the widow who are within your gates, may come and eat and be satisfied, that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hand which you do.

Once every three years there was a special additional income tax in order to take care of the poor in the land. This was the "poor tithe" or "welfare tithe." They were also to leave the corners of their fields unharvested for the poor. Their tithe worked out to about 25% per year. Now, how many of you are giving 25% of your income to the Lord? If you are not giving 25% of your income to the Lord, you're in sin unless heaven and earth have passed away.

Let me just say here that the New Testament teaches that Christians are to give to the Lord proportionately to what they have:

1 Corinthians 16:2 (NKJV) On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, STORING UP AS HE MAY PROSPER, that there be no collections when I come.

We are to give according to how we have prospered. It's not difficult to compute 10% of one's income; but how much is "as he may prosper?" It is neither a specific amount nor a particular percentage.

The New Testament also teaches that we are go give to support those who teach us the Word of God:

Galatians 6:6 (NKJV) Let him who is taught the word share in all good things with him who teaches.

Alright, the commercial for giving is over, let's get back to our message.

What about the Sabbath? Do you keep the Sabbath?

Exodus 20:9-10 (NKJV) Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.

You do know that the Sabbath is from sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday, don't you?

Numbers 15:32-35 (NKJV) Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him. 35 Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp."

How many of you did some work on Saturday? You're in sin and should be put to death or this doesn't apply to us because heaven and earth passed away.

What about the sacrificial system? Have any of you sacrificed lately? Have you sinned lately? If you have sinned, then you should have sacrificed an animal:

Numbers 15:22-25 (NKJV) 'If you sin unintentionally, and do not observe all these commandments which the LORD has spoken to Moses; 23 'all that the LORD has commanded you by the hand of Moses, from the day the LORD gave commandment and onward throughout your generations; 24 'then it will be, if it is unintentionally committed, without the knowledge of the congregation, that the whole congregation shall offer one young bull as a burnt offering, as a sweet aroma to the LORD, with its grain offering and its drink offering, according to the ordinance, and one kid of the goats as a sin offering. 25 'So the priest shall make atonement for the whole congregation of the children of Israel, and it shall be forgiven them, for it was unintentional; they shall bring their offering, an offering made by fire to the LORD, and their sin offering before the LORD, for their unintended sin.

When is the last time you offered up a burnt offering? Let's say that you wanted to, and you had the animal for the sacrifice; where would you find a priest?

Numbers 3:5-7 (NKJV) And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying: 6 "Bring the tribe of Levi near, and present them before Aaron the priest, that they may serve him. 7 "And they shall attend to his needs and the needs of the whole congregation before the tabernacle of meeting, to do the work of the tabernacle.

The Levitical priests were a special class of qualified ministering priests chosen from among the tribe of Levi. If you can't find a Levitical priest, then you cannot keep the law:

Hebrews 7:11 (NKJV) Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?

The "if" is a second class condition meaning: "If and it's not." Perfection did not come through the Levitical priesthood. The parenthetical statement, "for under it the people received the law...." is a reminder of the close interdependence between the priestly and the legal systems. "Under it" - is literally: "on the basis of it." The law and the priesthood belonged together for the simple reason that, since the law, representing the divinely ordered standard of conduct and character was universally broken (Romans 3:9-23). There was a continuous necessity for the ministry of reconciliation, which the Levitical priesthood provided, even though imperfectly.

The writer is saying that the Mosaic Law was given in order to validate the Levitical priesthood. If the Levitical priesthood is taken out of the Mosaic Law, nothing of meaning is left. Why? Because the whole purpose of having a religious system is to bring people into a personal relationship with the living God. If there are no priests to represent the people, then there is no reason to have a religious system.

It is very important that we understand what the writer is communicating in this verse. The concept is that the Levitical priesthood and the Mosaic Law are inseparable. If someone wanted to incorporate the Mosaic Law into their religious system today, they would also have to incorporate the Levitical priesthood, because it was the basis for the Mosaic Law. So, if there is no levitical priesthood today, then the Old Testament law cannot be obeyed, and we are all in sin unless heaven and earth passed away.

The Mosaic Law is a unit. It exists as a unit or not at all. This notion that the Mosaic Law can be sliced and diced into ceremonial, civil, and moral is not one that you will find anywhere in the Bible. All of the Mosaic Law is "moral" in all of its aspects, right down to the stipulations about fabrics, etc. There is no such animal as "the moral law".

One writer says this, "In other words, the whole Old Testament is authoritative until the age to come. In verse 18b, the words "one jot or one tittle" refer to the extent of the Old Testament's authority. By that Matthew means the whole Old Testament is authoritative between the two advents of Christ down to its minute details. According to Matthew 5:17, 18, the Law and the Prophets (the whole Old Testament) have their place under the administration of Christ under the New Covenant."

My question to him would be, "How is the New Covenant different form the Old?" And how do you keep the law without the priesthood, and how do you have a priesthood when there are no genealogical records to determine who is a Levite?

Jesus said:

Matthew 5:17 (NKJV) "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

The word "destroy" comes from the Greek word kataluo, which has the idea of: "destroy or dissolve." Matthew uses this word four times in his gospel; as we look at the other three we can clearly see its meaning:

Matthew 24:2 (NKJV) And Jesus said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down [kataluo]."

Matthew 26:61 (NKJV) and said, "This fellow said, 'I am able to destroy [kataluo] the temple of God and to build it in three days.'"

Matthew 27:40 (NKJV) and saying, "You who destroy [kataluo] the temple and build it in three days, save Yourself! If You are the Son of God, come down from the cross."

The Jewish temple was completely destroyed in AD 70.

Jesus said that he didn't come to destroy the law but to fulfill it. What does it mean to fulfill the law? The word "fulfill" is from the Greek word pleroo, which has a wide range of meanings:"satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfill, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply."

There are several ways in which Jesus Christ fulfilled the Old Testament. Christ fulfilled the Law by obeying it perfectly, by carrying out every one of the righteous demands of the Law. On one occasion He asked, "Which one of you convicts Me of sin?" (John 8:46), to which no one responded affirmatively. He was the sinless Lamb of God and was without spot or blemish. Therefore, He fulfilled the Law by perfectly meeting its righteous demands.

Christ also fulfilled the Law by fulfilling all the types and prophecies of the Old Testament. All of the illustrations in the Old Testament sacrificial system focus on and find their fulfillment in Him. All of the prophecies given regarding the coming Messiah, His kingdom, and His salvation find their fulfillment in Him.

The ultimate way that Christ fulfilled the Old Testament Scriptures, the one which gets the greatest emphasis in the New Testament, is that He met the righteous demands of the Law in providing salvation through His death on the cross. Thus He has fulfilled the Law and brought it to completion by paying the penalty for our sins.

Again, if we look at Matthew's use of this word "fulfill" it will help us understand exactly what he means:

Matthew 1:21-23 (NKJV) "And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins." 22 So all this was done that it might be fulfilled [pleroo] which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: 23 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us."

Matthew 2:15 (NKJV) and was there until the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled [pleroo] which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, "Out of Egypt I called My Son."

Matthew 2:17 (NKJV) Then was fulfilled [pleroo] what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying:

Matthew 2:23 (NKJV) And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth, that it might be fulfilled [pleroo] which was spoken by the prophets, "He shall be called a Nazarene."

Matthew 26:56 (NKJV) "But all this was done that the Scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled [pleroo]." Then all the disciples forsook Him and fled.

Seventeen times Matthew uses the word pleroo and in fifteen of them it clearly refers to prophecy being fulfilled or coming to pass. The law, which we read in the Old Testament and everything that has been said by the prophets, was going to be fulfilled by Jesus down to the minutest detail. And until it was all fulfilled, it was binding on the people of God.

The law has been fulfilled:

Hebrews 7:18 (NKJV) For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,

This is truly an amazing statement. God is promising to set aside the Mosaic Law and the Levitical system. The word "annulling" is from the Greek verb athetesis. It is a legal term that points to the complete cancellation of the commandment in question - the Mosaic law. The same verb is used in 9:26 translated: "putting away".

Hebrews 9:26 (NKJV) He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away [athetesis] sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

The disappearance of the Mosaic law is as absolute as the putting away of sin.

The purpose of the Law is stated in Galatians 3 where it is indicated that the Law is to reveal our sinfulness and to serve as a tutor or schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. Paul says in Galatians 3 that now that Christ has come, we are no longer under the schoolmaster. Now that Christ has come and the Law has been brought to its completion, the Law has been fulfilled in Christ:

Galatians 3:24-26 (NKJV) Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Has the Law, the Old Covenant, been fulfilled in Christ? I don't know of any Christians who would say that every single Old Testament ceremonial law is still currently in force. Yet Jesus said that heaven and earth absolutely had to pass away before the slightest letter of the Law could be fulfilled. Thus, if the Law has been fulfilled, the heaven and earth Jesus spoke of must be already taken out of the way.

We can tell that Jesus obviously was NOT speaking of the literal earth He was standing on and the literal heavens He was standing under. If we understand heaven and earth in that passage to be physical, then the Law is still in effect, and we are all in big trouble. If we understand heaven and earth as figurative, then it is possible that they have passed along with the Law. We'll look at this next week.

Believer, I want you to understand that the law was a whole, and it was all in effect until it all passed away. Does this mean that we are free to do whatever we want? No, as believers we are not under the Old Covenant Law, but we are under the Law of Christ:

1 Corinthians 9:21 (NKJV) to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law;

Galatians 6:2 (NKJV) Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.

The Old Covenant is over, and we are living in the New Covenant age. Jesus Christ is our Lord, and we are to live in a way that honors Him. We are to be salt and light.


This message preached by David B. Curtis on September 15, 2002. .

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Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
14:28:55

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Abide in my word and the truth will set you free. Thank you for such clear and necessary truth about the precious nature of the new covenant and the law of Christ.


Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
15:47:12

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Christ said he came to fulfill the law of Moses at his first presence (Mt. 5:17) but preterists claim he did not fulfill it until his second presence, in AD 70. Christ said that not a jot or tittle of the law would pass away until ALL of the law was fulfilled (Mt. 5:18) and since God made it clear to Peter that the dietary jots and tittles of the law had passed away (Acts 10:9-16) it's obvious that ALL of the law was fulfilled in the spring of AD 30.


Date:
01 Oct 2002
Time:
21:01:29

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The Scriptures teach the distinction between the ceremonial ("shadow") laws and the non-ceremonial laws: "...Has the Lord as much delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed than the fat of rams." (I Sam. 15:22; cf. Prov. 21:3; Hosea 6:6; Micah 6:6-8; Mk. 12:33) The ceremonial shadow-laws (i.e., foods, drinks, baptisms, festivals, new moons, Sabbaths, the priesthood, gifts, sacrifices, offerings, fleshly ordinances, etc., etc.) were fulfilled and abolished in 70. But the non-ceremonial laws that God gave to Moses were the "better" and "more acceptable" laws (such as, to love God; to love your neighbor; to do justly; to love mercy; to have the knowledge of God; to walk humbly with Him, etc., etc.) Such non-ceremonial laws were the substance and summary of the Law of Moses. They were, and are, God's eternal delight. They could not have "passed away" any more than God Himself could pass away: "...All His precepts are sure. They are upheld forever and ever...." (Ps. 111:7-8) "Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and Your Law is truth." (Ps. 119:142) "The sum of Your word is truth, and every one of Your righteous ordinances is everlasting." (Ps. 119:160)


Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
05:35:24

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Avery clear teaching of the old law fullfilled, and how we are under the law of the Christ. Thanks


Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
08:30:10

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The law passed away in God's (spiritual) sight in AD 30 and in the mere (natural) sight of man in AD 70. The law was taken out of the way when it was nailed to the cross of Christ (Col. 2:14). The law died when Christ, the true Israel, died. The law was "the middle wall of partition" between Jew and Gentile that Christ "abolished in his flesh" in AD 30, thereby reconciling "BOTH unto God in ONE body" by the cross (Eph. 2:14-16). From then on there was NO DIFFERENCE between Jews and Gentiles (Acts 15:8,9; Ro. 3:21-24, 10:12). The merely typifying gift of the external law at Sinai (at the start of the 40 OT wilderness years) was fulfilled by the far better gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost (at the start of the 40 fulfillment years AD 30-70). When the merely typifying earthly passover lamb was slain in the merely typifying temple each year the merely typifying high priest said, "It is finished," and in the momentous AD 30 fulfillment, when Christ, the true Lamb of God (and the true high priest and true temple of God) uttered those words (Jn. 19:30), he meant what he said. In God's sight the merely typifying animal sacrifices were finished forever, and it's demeaning and unscriptural to claim otherwise.


Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
13:27:35

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If we are not now under law then I CAN have sex with any beast I can grab? Nowhere in the NT am I told that I can't commit beastiality so it must be ok because the Law, which did tell me it was wrong, is now fulfilled, gone, annulled. If you say we must fulfill the law of Christ and honor him that's fine but I need a book, chapter and verse in the NT that tells me I can't commit beastiality. THERE IS NOT ONE. SO you would then say, "Well commiting beastiality is not honoring to Christ!" Says WHO...YOU? Who are you? YOu aren't Christ and you surely aren't the great sage that fills in the gaps with commandments that were missing from the NT. So since the "law of Christ" says nothing about beastiality should we then resort to relativism to save our morals. "Beastiality is wrong because I say it is wrong!" So your options are either a)condone beastiality because the "law of Christ says nothing about it, b)admit that moral relativism is acceptable, or c)Admit that the law found in the OT condemnng beastiality is still binding on us today. And yes, option C is found in the MORAL LAW. It is interesting how you think you can determine when you will take things literally and when you won't. Unless we are given a reason to "spiritualize" certain portions of scripture from the authors themselves (not you and your forced "I'll settle for this world being heaven because God isn't coming with anything better" theology), we ought not to take that liberty upon ourselves. I am sorry but full preterism is not only the opposite of what the "whole counsel" of the Word of God teaches, but it is also one of the most unappealing theologies one could ever desire (in my opinion). How could you watch the news at night with all the unrestrained sin that virtually permeates our world (murder, petafiles, war, etc.) and sit back and say, "Ahh! Isn't HEAVEN GREAT?!"


Date:
02 Oct 2002
Time:
14:28:15

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Shocking and disgraceful (Just kidding)! One of the best messages I've read on the subject, and I believe it's a subject that's so important for people to understand today because it so profoundly affects the way we understand and relate to God and how we view life. To know that I am in right relationship with Him without the necessity of keeping any law is the most precious gift I could receive. The point that the law is not divisible into parts that have and parts that have not passed away is so lost on most Christians today. You made that point so well in this article. Indeed, if we still needed to make animal sacrifices for sin, which would be the case if the law were in effect, what would have been the point of Christ's sacrifice? Excellent point about the inseparable nature of the Law and the Levitical priesthood and the law. How can the law be in effect when there is no Levitical priesthood? Or no temple? Church people don't see how suggesting that any of the law of Moses still applies today detracts from, if not outright denies the cross. That's why messages like this one are so needed.


Date:
03 Oct 2002
Time:
09:17:10

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H e a v e n NOW? Yes, heaven came to earth more than 1,900 years ago. Just as the new and spiritual and eternal ISRAEL appeared on the earth in the moment of Christ's resurrection in AD 30 so also the new and spiritual and eternal WORLD of Rev. 21,22 appeared on the earth in the moment of Christ's parousia. Christ and the church are the true, spiritual and eternal Israel and they dwell together, now and eternally, in their own spiritual and eternal world -- the spiritual kingdom of God that came on earth as in heaven in answer to the prayer of Mt. 6:10. The spiritual judgment of the world occurred at Christ's parousia on the last day of the true first century in fulfillment of the natural judgment of the world by the flood on the last day of Noah's last 100 pre-flood years. There were, temporarily, two Israels from AD 30 to AD 70 and there have been, temporariLy, two worlds for the last 1,906 years. You say you can't see that spiritual world? Uh-oh.


Date:
03 Oct 2002
Time:
10:00:57

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The man who makes the Gary-North-type argument about bestiality needs to answer a question: Who determines which laws fit under the moral and which do not? YOU? The fact is that God's word was/is a tutor. We know what sin is from God's word. However, those of the Pharisaic camp, who would seek to put us back under law as opposed to grace, demand that we should obey God's Law. Well, fine. Let's see how you stack up. Do you have a fence surrounding your roof? Have you sat on a couch that a woman in her menstrual cycle has sat on? How long after the birth of your child did you wait before having sex with your wife (or husband)? Have you ever lusted after another man's wife? Have you ever called anyone a fool? These are just a few of the questions that come to mind when faced with keeping God's Law perfectly. I for one am counting on Christ's keeping of the Law for me. I am a worthless sinner in need of salvation. With the Spirit of God in me, I can walk in newness of life, repenting of the sins that I commit, while realizing that Jesus has made me sinless. As sinless as He is, for He is our righteousness. He is our Peace with God the Father. Please saints, don't fall for the Pharisees ploy. Love God and your neighbor. That fulfills God's Law. ed


Date:
03 Oct 2002
Time:
18:33:07

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Paul said the law was a schoolmaster pointing to the coming of Christ ("torah" being derived from "yara" which means to point out or to teach) and when Christ came the believers were no longer under a schoolmaster (Gal. 3:23-25). As a result of Christ's first presence there was neither Jew nor Greek, all believers were ONE in Christ (Gal. 3:28), and therefore it is wrong to claim that some of the believers were required to remain under the law until the temple was destroyed in AD 70.


Date:
04 Oct 2002
Time:
05:40:45

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You say the one guys comments are trying to make us slaves to the law of God and that we are not under the law, but under grace; I'm sorry, but didn't this article (and the Bible) say we are to obey the law of Christ? You say we're not under any law in one breath and then in another you say we're under the law of Christ. You take us from one law and put us under another. I'm not sure if you're a trinitarian, but I thought trinitarians believed that God and Christ were the same; shouldn't their laws be the same? If the law was fulfilled at Christ's first coming (which the Bible says it was) then why did Paul keep the Sabbath and all the feasts? And he was the apostle to the Gentiles!! You might need to re-read your bible. There is clearly a distinction between the decalogue and the ceremonies that you had to perform if you broke those laws. Now if we break them we have Christ as our advocate, but back then they had to jump through all sorts of ceremonial hoops. The moral law (the decalogue) still applies, but when we break it (which everyone does and has), we confess to Christ who is our High Priest. By the way if there is no law, why do we need a High Priest?


Date:
04 Oct 2002
Time:
06:02:08

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The only thing that was against us or contrary to us that was taken out of the way was the cheirographon (Col 2:14). It was the handwriting of ordinances which was the ceremonies that you had to perform when you broke GOD'S law (not Moses').


Date:
04 Oct 2002
Time:
08:40:21

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The dietary requirements of the law of Moses were not ceremonies that had to be performed when the law was broken. When God showed Peter that the dietary requirements of the law no longer applied (Acts 10:9-16), that proved that all of the jots and tittles of the law had passed away in the spring of AD 30. Preterists, like dispensationalists, fail to keep God's covenants with Israel and their first-century fulfillments SEPARATE from God's covenants with the world (Adam and Noah) and their first-century fulfillments. Thus, they fail to understand that the passing of heaven and earth in Mt. 5:17,18 refers to the Israel covenants (the miraculous creation of the new and spiritual Israel) and the passing of heaven and earth in Mt. 24:35, 2 Pe. 3:10 and Rev. 21:1 refers to the world covenants (the miraculous creation of the new and spiritual world of Rev. 21,22). Believers are IN the temporary, old, natural world but OF that eternal, new, spiritual world -- but the first-century spiritual regeneration of Israel and the world lies beyond the spiritual grasp of most students of the Bible.


Date:
04 Oct 2002
Time:
09:23:38

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In my opinion the BIGGEST mistake concerning Law to ignore the TRANSITION period.<br><br> The Law began shadow in AD 30 but fulfilled only in AD 70. The Acts tell us events when even the apostles did not keep the Law so that the statement "Law is fulfilled only in AD 70" is WRONG. Notice this verse:<br> <i>Gal. 2.11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.</i><br><br> The gentiles have not keep the Law according to the Acts in that time. Only the judeo-christians had. <br>Anyway, the article is very good. New informations about Law from preterist viewpoint always welcome.


Date:
04 Oct 2002
Time:
09:24:08

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In my opinion the BIGGEST mistake concerning Law to ignore the TRANSITION period.<br><br> The Law began shadow in AD 30 but fulfilled only in AD 70. The Acts tell us events when even the apostles did not keep the Law so that the statement "Law is fulfilled only in AD 70" is WRONG. Notice this verse:<br> Gal. 2.11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.<br><br> The gentiles have not keep the Law according to the Acts in that time. Only the judeo-christians had. <br>Anyway, the article is very good. New informations about Law from preterist viewpoint always welcome. cheers, Gabor


Date:
05 Oct 2002
Time:
08:32:36

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Ancient Israel's elaborate annual rehearsals for the coming of Messiah were based on the seven feasts of the Lord and culminated in the celebration of the feast of tabernacles and the eight days referred to in Lev. 23:34-36. The reference to the rejoicing with palm branches on the first of those eight days (Lev. 23:40) makes it clear that the great feast of tabernacles was fulfilled for Israel in the spring of AD 30 during the eight days from Palm Sunday through Easter Sunday. ALL of the law of Moses was fulfilled for Israel in the spring of AD 30.


Date:
06 Oct 2002
Time:
00:28:55

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"ALL of the law of Moses was fulfilled for Israel in the spring of AD 30." -- -- AFTER AD 30: -- Act. 21.20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: 21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. 22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come. 23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; 24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: AND ALL MAY KNOW THAT THOSE THINGS, WHEREOF THEY WERE INFORMED CONCERNING THEE, ARE NOTHING; BUT THAT THOU THYSELF ALSO WALKEST ORDERLY, AND KEEPEST THE LAW.


Date:
06 Oct 2002
Time:
05:41:41

Comments

Paul said: "I am made ALL things to ALL men that I might by ALL means save some" (1 Cor. 9:22). Therefore, "unto the Jews I BECAME as a Jew that I might gain the Jews" (1 Cor. 9:20). Paul knew that Israel's temple was left "desolate" in the spring of AD 30 (Mt. 23:38) -- forever empty of the presence of God -- after that unfaithful nation's religious leaders filled up the measure of their fathers by rejecting and killing their Messiah. Stephen was murdered for proclaiming that God "dwelleth not in temples made with hands" (Acts 7:48) and after Paul's conversion he made the same declaration (Acts 17:24). Paul went to the temple and he went to Mars' hill because he knew that Christ had "abolished in his flesh" the law of Moses, the "middle wall of partition" that formerly had separated Jews and Gentiles (Eph. 2:14-16) Preterists and dispensationalists are somehow unable to see that the old, natural, merely typifying temple and all of its old, natural, merely typifying elements passed away forever in the sight of God after the death, burial and resurrection of his Son, the true, spiritual and eternal temple.


Date:
06 Oct 2002
Time:
09:03:37

Comments

Yes, passed away, not in AD 30, but in the fourty years of AD 30-40. The judeochristians still visited the Temple after AD 30. -- Heb. 8.13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is READY to vanish away.


Date:
06 Oct 2002
Time:
10:30:46

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You've got to distinguish between the law's passing away in the sight of God in AD 30 and its passing away in the mere sight of man in AD 70. Christ came as the true and greater, i.e., spiritual, Adam and Noah, and Moses, and David, AND ISRAEL. Therefore, when Christ ascended to heaven in AD 30 the true Israel and all of its elements (the CITY, the TEMPLE, the PRIESTHOOD, etc.) ascended with him. That's why Paul urged the believers to set their affection on things above, like the heavenly and spiritual temple, and not on things on the earth, like the mere natural temple. After the spring of AD 30 the Jerusalem that mattered in God's sight was the Jerusalem above which was free, not the rejected Jerusalem on earth that was in bondage (Gal. 4:25,26).


Date:
06 Oct 2002
Time:
10:34:03

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You've got to distinguish between the law's passing away in the sight of God in AD 30 and its passing away in the mere sight of man in AD 70. Christ came as the true and greater, i.e., spiritual, Adam and Noah, and Moses, and David, AND ISRAEL. Therefore, when Christ ascended to heaven in AD 30 the true Israel and all of its elements (the CITY, the TEMPLE, the PRIESTHOOD, etc.) ascended with him. That's why Paul urged the believers to set their affection on things above, like the heavenly and spiritual temple, and not on things on the earth, like the mere natural temple (Col. 3:2). After the spring of AD 30 the Jerusalem that mattered in God's sight was the Jerusalem above which was free, not the rejected Jerusalem on earth that was in bondage (Gal. 4:25,26).


Date:
09 Oct 2002
Time:
11:19:41

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The Law passed away when the Messiah substituted wine for the blood and bread for the flesh of the CHATTAH.


Date:
09 Oct 2002
Time:
15:18:13

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Yes, the bread and wine -- pointing to Christ's imminent offering of himself as God's true passover Lamb (fulfillment of the first of the feasts of Lev. 23) -- was a critically important part of the fulfillment of the law and its permanent passing away in the spring of AD 30. But the other feasts of Lev. 23 were also fulfilled during the eight days from Palm Sunday through Easter Sunday -- with Christ's resurrection on that latter day fulfilling the solemn eighth day feast of Lev 23:36 -- shemiyniy atsarah or atsereth, Strong's 6116 and 8066, with 8066 derived from 8083, meaning "a surplus above the perfect seven."


Date:
14 Oct 2002
Time:
05:34:54

Comments

In case you haven't read Acts entirely, Paul (who was the apostle to the GENTILES) kept the feasts and the sabbath after ad30. Don't you think that would be a little confusing to the people you say he was trying to tell "the law is abolished". You're basically saying that God made a mistake when He said the law was an everlasting, perpetual, covenant throughout all generations. Maybe He should have put a footnote saying "Oh yeah, I forgot, Jesus is coming in the future and He will do away with this law that I just said was eternal. It used to be a physical law written on stones; now it is a spiritual law written on our hearts (but it's still the same law). If anything it became more strict. It used to be that if you had sex with a woman beside your wife you committed adultery; now if you EVEN look at a woman and lust after her you have ALREADY committed adultery in your heart. By the way you need to read Peter's vision again. When he went and told about his vision he said the Lord had shown him that the GENTILES weren't to be considered unclean anymore; that was what the vision was about. Jews were not even permitted to eat with the Gentiles before and that is what Paul was opposing Peter about, not about eating pork.


Date:
14 Oct 2002
Time:
08:35:12

Comments

Same old error of confusing Paul's evangelical strategies with his doctrine. Unto the Jews he became as a Jew, that he might win the Jews (1 Cor. 9:19,20). Preterists' errors about such matters result from their weak understanding of Bible typology. Here's a brief lesson: After the typifying slaying of the natural lambs (Ex. 12), and natural Israel's hasty departure from natural Egypt, and its safe emergence from the Red Sea, natural Egypt had no further role to play in God's typifying redemptive plan. Therefore, in the first-century spiritual fulfillment, after Christ's death, hasty burial, and safe emergence from the tomb, spiritual Egypt (first-century Jerusalem, Rev. 11:8) had no further role to play in God's redemptive plan. Christ is the true and spiritual temple and so when Christ ascended the true and spiritual temple ascended. Despite the false and demeaning claims of preterists and dispensationalists, God was finished FOREVER with the merely typifying temple of dead stones in the spring of AD 30.


Date:
14 Oct 2002
Time:
12:59:42

Comments

I'm afraid my friend you're the one who's weak on Biblical typology. After the slaying of the lamb the Children of Israel still had to wander in the desert for 40 years (typical of the 40 years from 30 ad to 70 ad). This is when they were given the physical law and we were given the spiritual law and this is when they were taught about the feasts (although they weren't actually supposed to observe them until they entered the physical promised land). We are now in the spiritual promised land and we are to observe the feasts spiritually. They observed them in anticipation of something (at least most of them) and we observe them in rememberance of what God has done. I Cor. 5:8 - Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened [bread] of sincerity and truth. II Peter 2:13 - And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, [as] they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots [they are] and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; Jude 1:12 - These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds [they are] without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Shame on Paul for telling those gentiles in Corinth to keep a feast!! He surely wasn't trying to be a Jew to the Jews there.


Date:
14 Oct 2002
Time:
14:01:12

Comments

The OT types rule. Therefore, if preterists can prove that the ancient Israelites had to remain under the natural bondage inflicted by Pharaoh's natural taskmasters (making bricks without straw) during the 40 years that followed the slaying of the natural lambs (Ex. 12), the hasty departure from Egypt, the safe emergence from the Red Sea, and the gift of the law at Sinai, then and only then can they claim that the first-century Israelites had to remain under the spiritual bondage of the law inflicted by Satan's spiritual taskmasters (the religious leaders of Jerusalem, Jn. 8:44) during the 40 years that followed the slaying of Christ, the true Lamb of God, and his hasty burial, and his safe emergence from the tomb, and the gift of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost in AD 30.


Date:
14 Oct 2002
Time:
18:25:40

Comments

FIRST -- The OT Israelites' annual observances of the feasts of Lev. 23 looked BACK to what God did for them in delivering them from the NATURAL bondage of Pharaoh and Egypt, the first 3 feasts, and giving them the law at Sinai, the 4th feast, and enabling them, AFTER the 40 wilderness years, to triumph over the natural usurpers in their natural promised land and enter into their natural rest (Josh. 21:43-45) and enjoy the blessings of temporary, natural life (Dt. 30:15-30), the last 3 feasts. SECOND -- The annual observances of the feasts looked forward to their first-century spiritual fulfillment by spiritual Israel (Christ and the church), which preterists stumble over since they fail to see that, in keeping with the OT types, the spiritual fulfillment of the first 3 feasts, Christ's death, burial and resurrection, delivered spiritual Israel from the SPIRITUAL bondage of Satan and spiritual Egypt (natural Jerusalem, Rev. 11:8) and that, also in keeping with the OT types, the spiritual fulfillment of the last 3 feasts (including the church's spiritual rest and the blessings of eternal life that fulfilled Dt. 30:15-20) occurred AFTER the 40 years AD 30-70. Preterists fail to identify the specific, spiritual usurpers in the first-century world who were the fulfillment of the natural usurpers in Canaan.


Date:
15 Oct 2002
Time:
07:23:32

Comments

Yeah, Suuuuure!!!! You keep on believing that!


Date:
15 Oct 2002
Time:
13:24:50

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Another brief typology lesson: After the safe emergence of natural Israel from the Red Sea and the gift of the law at Sinai, the natural Israelites went where Moses went. They were WITH him in the wilderness for 40 years where they could bring their natural petitions before his natural throne of law. And in the first-century spiritual fulfillment, after Christ's safe emergence from the tomb and the gift of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost, the spiritual Israelites went where Christ went. They were WITH Christ in heaven (Eph. 2:5,6) -- a spiritual, not a natural, place, you know -- during the 40 years AD 30-70 where they could bring their spiritual petitions before his spiritual throne of grace (Heb. 4:16). The spiritual Israelites HAD to be in that heavenly and spiritual realm because that's where Christ was and they were IN Christ, and were the body of Christ, and were ONE in the Father and the Son (Jn. 17:21). Preterism's denial of these facts is appalling.


Date:
16 Oct 2002
Time:
05:09:59

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I'm not sure what preterists you've been talking to, but I don't know of any preterist who would deny what you just wrote. Paul clearly says we ARE seated with him in the Heavenly places (paraphrase of course). Preterists simply say that the old would not fully pass away until the earthly temple was destroyed (straight from Hebrews); that's not to say that the new had not already come. By the way, Preterists pretty much wrote the book on proper typology.


Date:
16 Oct 2002
Time:
09:40:19

Comments

Preterists fail to understand that A-L-L (not just some) of the natural things involving OT, natural Israel were merely TYPES of the far greater spiritual things involving NT, spiritual Israel (Christ and the church). Did the natural fulfillment of all of those OT, natural things occur "in OT times?" No. As Lk. 21:22 points out, the natural fulfillment of the things written about the natural destruction of natural Israel (Dan. 9:26, 12:1) did not occur until AD 70. But that does not change the fact that the natural destruction in AD 70, like all of the prior natural events in natural Israel's history, was merely a TYPE.


Date:
16 Oct 2002
Time:
11:21:21

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Preterists fail to understand that A-L-L (not just some) of the natural things involving OT, natural Israel were merely TYPES of the far greater spiritual things involving NT, spiritual Israel (Christ and the church). Did the natural fulfillment of all of those OT, natural things occur "in OT times?" No. As Lk. 21:22 points out, the natural fulfillment of the things written about the natural destruction of natural Israel (Dan. 9:26, 12:1) did not occur until AD 70. But that does not change the fact that the natural destruction in AD 70, like all of the prior natural events in natural Israel's history, was merely a TYPE.


Date:
16 Oct 2002
Time:
15:05:02

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Date:
21 Oct 2002
Time:
13:09:31

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I'm not sure what happened to all the comments, but here is something to ponder: I agree the law was fulfilled by Jesus Christ and is being fulfilled in us, but abolished?! I don't think so: Ezek. 36:26-27 this is a promise of the new covenant "I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my LAWS" I Cor. 7:19 - Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. Rev. 12:17 - And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. 1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. Paul even told the gentile corinthians to keep the commandments. God is a moral being who does not change. The rituals, ordinances, and all the religious hoops they had to jump through to be forgiven were a shadow of things to come - namely Christ. Right and wrong were not a shadow they come from God's very being, only now they are written on our hearts not on stone tablets. God didn't all of the sudden become stupid and forget what right and wrong are.


Date:
08 Nov 2002
Time:
07:25:20

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Preterists do believe ALL the types were fulfilled, but you keep trying to compare OT Egypt with the law. WRONG!! OT Egypt represents sin. They weren't even given the law until they had already left Egypt and were at Mt. Sinai (sp?). The Holy Spirit was given (which is the equivalent of writing His law on our Hearts) at Pentecost (the spiritual Sinai (sp?). You keep saying the New Covenant Christians only had to keep the law if we could prove that the Israelites were still under the bondage of the Egyptians while in the desert. That's not a good comparison because Egypt is not a type of the law.


Date:
20 Nov 2002
Time:
13:13:44

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The typifying natural bondage inflicted by Pharaoh's natural taskmasters in natural Egypt was fulfilled by the spiritual bondage (the perversion of the old Hebrew religious system, which was a system of grace) inflicted by Satan's spiritual taskmasters (Jn. 8:44) in spiritual Egypt (first-century Jerusalem, Rev. 11:8). The OT, natural Israelites were saved from Pharaoh by their safe emergence from the Red Sea on Abib 17, and the NT, spiritual Israelites were saved from Satan by Christ's safe emergence from the tomb on Abib 17 in AD 30. During the 40 years that followed the gift of the law at Sinai the natural Israelites were WITH Moses in the wilderness and during the 40 years that followed the gift of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost the spiritual Israelites were WITH Christ in heaven (Eph. 2:5,6).


Date:
24 Nov 2002
Time:
14:11:42

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Re: 11-8-02 comment above -- If preterists believe that all of the OT types were fulfilled by autumn of AD 70, when were Noah's typifying and critically important last 100 pre-flood years fulfilled? And when were the typifying and critically important 70 years of natural captivity in natural Babylon fulfilled?


Date:
04 Dec 2002
Time:
13:27:36

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I believe that the passing of heaven and earth is in respect to the death, burial, and resurrection of the first century followers of Jesus. It was an event in which all those involved must pass through a consuming fire. It was not in reference to this physical world. Paul explains that in Romans, even in the statement that another part of Jacob would be saved after the Gentile fullness. Zachariah wrote about the first century christians and called them Judah. He seperated the Jews into Judah and Israel because Jesus was to re-establish the fallen throne of David. We can see this very well in the Daughter of Zion and the Daughter of Jerusalem. The Daughter of Zion is the Spiritual mother of Jesus and the Daughter of Jerusalem is Christ's bride(his followers). The hearts, minds, and consciences of the first century Jews were tuned to keeping the law ,all the while waiting for the Messiah, so their obidence lifted up this Spiritual women called the Daughter of Zion of whom Mary was the Messiah's womb. But when the men of Jerusalem rejected Jesus, the hearts, minds, and consciences of his followers reflected this Spiritual women called the Daughter of Jerusalem which is Christ's bride and their mother. The prodical son is also an image of these two people Judah and Israel. The prodical took his heritage and shought after the gods of the nations and then ended up in the pig pen of Babylon because he wasted his inheritance that God had promised to Abraham. In closing, an age closed in the first century with the rapture of the first century followers of Jesus. But those who were double minded(tried to follow Jesus and keep the law) and those who turned back to the cares of the world were concluded in unbelief that God might have mercy upon all, so says Paul.


Date:
05 Dec 2002
Time:
08:41:04

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Date:
05 Dec 2002
Time:
15:58:31

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I love rated X sermons! X sermons are such sweet music to my heart and soul! Jesus fulfilled everything and everything for me! Thank you Jesus, my Lord! Keep those X sermons coming... thank you David.


Date:
10 Dec 2002
Time:
06:44:28

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The above quote says "those who were double minded (who tried to follow Jesus and keep the law)" Where in the world did that come from? Have you read Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. That's pretty clear. As for the other post. Preterist believe all OT TYPES are fulfilled not everything that happened that you wish was a Type.


Date:
10 Jan 2003
Time:
22:38:26

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Actually, sure, heaven and earth have passed away, the law was fulfilled, yada, yada, yada. But does the preacher dare go into that for which we *are* responsible? Of course not, for he knoweth not what to say. Not to be mean, but I really get sick of these guys who will be consistent enough to speak the truth about the *whole* law passing away (Gee, congrats, Mr. Curtis. It's about time. Now, show me how this affects your worldview. In other words, get a little philosophical, my friend, and prove to us that there exists any absolutes? What Scripture do you use? eh? Prove to me that murder is wrong. Prove to me that adultery is wrong? Prove to me that lying is wrong? And what about the ten? All are supposedly *moral* except the Sabbath (Shabbat). Now, tell me, what constitutes true morality? Be consistent, Mr. Curtis, and don't be a wimp and leave out the hard stuff like you just did.


Date:
06 May 2003
Time:
09:12:25

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I am interested in your sermon on what constitutes the law of Christ. Joe Machuta


Date:
16 May 2003
Time:
11:45:04

Comments

Why did you not include Deuteronomy 14:26 with the Festival Tithe? That could produce more smiling faces in the Church. Otherwise, I thought it was a very sound treatment of the topic.


Date:
07 Jun 2003
Time:
19:20:12

Comments

Christ said in Matt. 26:26-28 “26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. 27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” This is an echo from the Old Testament in Jerimiah 31:31-34 “31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: So, you see that a New Covenant was made when Christ Himself fulfilled the Law. However, It is clear to me that some covenants will remain through "all perpetual generations" where God made a covenant with Noah after the flood;e.g, (paraphrase): if a man take another's life, his blood will I require. Bottom line: we need to fervantly study God's word and spiritually discern what God reveals to us. We need to be careful not to take words out of context or meaning. Also, we need to study the original language (Hebrew and/or Greek) to see what the words really mean. This can affect our understanding tremendously. God Bless.....


Date:
11 Jul 2003
Time:
07:46:49

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I have likened this to driving on the Autobahn in Germany where there is no speed limit. For just a moment I had a new powerful rental car up to 122 mph and was totally guilt free. That must be a teeny tiny taste of heaven. At home in Kansas I observe the speed limits (once was a Municipal Judge). So, no analogy is perfect. Jim Brewster


Date:
23 Oct 2003
Time:
04:03:42

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This message needs to be taught in all Christian churches. But where is the line drawn for salvation. We shall one day see. We are accountable for our own actions, and YHWH will answer the question for us all one day. I pray we have these teachings right!


Date:
13 Sep 2004
Time:
00:09:21

Comments

where can i find the next weeks message on the heavens and earth that have passed away... :) thank you for the message.....


Date:
03 Mar 2005
Time:
09:41:03

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thank you for helping me out and understanding this better about the heavens and earth being done away with! what an excellent study! I pray that more people would take a second look and what heaven and earth really mean as Jesus spoke. Not that he would destroy a literal heaven and literal earth it just meant that old covenant, the old mosaic law being done away with and now were in the new covenant because of Christ and what he fullfilled.


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