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SOME DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES OF SYSTEMATIZED HYPER PRETERISM

It is important to keep in mind that many ideas and doctrines full preterism appeals to - such as the complete end of the Old Covenant world in AD70 - are by no means distinctive to that view.   Many non HyPs believe this as well, so one need not embrace the Hyper Preterist system in order to endorse this view.   Following are exceptional doctrines which, so far as I've seen, are only taught by adherents of Hyper Preterism.:

DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES TAUGHT BY STANDARD FULL PRETERISM

  • All Bible Prophecy was Fulfilled By AD70

  • Atonement Incomplete at Cross ; Complete at AD70

  • The Supernatural Power of Evil Ended in AD70

  • The Spirit of Antichrist was Destroyed in AD70

  • "The Consummation of the Ages" Came in AD70

  • "The Millennium" is in the Past, From AD30 to AD70

  • Nothing to be Resurrected From in Post AD70 World ; Hades Destroyed

  • The Christian Age Began in AD70 ; Earth Will Never End

  • "The Day of the Lord" was Israel's Destruction ending in AD70

  • The "Second Coming" of Jesus Christ Took Place in AD70-ish

  • The Great Judgment took place in AD70 ; No Future Judgment

  • The Law, Death, Sin, Devil, Hades, etc. Utterly Defeated in AD70

  • "The Resurrection" of the Dead and Living is Past, Having Taken Place in AD70

  • The Context of the Entire Bible is Pre-AD70 ; Not Written To Post AD70 World

DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES TAUGHT BY VARIOUS FORMS
(under construction)

  • Baptism was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)

  • The Lord's Prayer was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)

  • The Lord's Supper was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)

  • The Holy Spirit's Paraclete Work Ceased in AD70 (Cessationism)

  • The Consummation in AD70 Caused Church Offices to Cease (Cessationism)

  • The Resurrection in AD70 Changed the "Constitutional Principle" of Marriage (Noyesism)

  • Israel and Humanity Delivered into Ultimate Liberty in AD70 (TransmillennialismTM)

  • The Judgment in AD70 Reconciled All of Mankind to God ; All Saved (Preterist Universalism)

  • Adam's Sin No Longer Imputed in Post AD70 World ; No Need to be Born Again (Preterist Universalism)

  • When Jesus Delivered the Kingdom to the Father in AD70, He Ceased Being The Intermediary (Pantelism/Comprehensive Grace?)

  • The Book of Genesis is an Apocalypse; is About Creation of First Covenant Man, not First Historical Man (Covenantal Preterism)

 

Does "SATAN" Exist Today?

By Richard K. McPherson

Why Kind of "God" Do We Know? | The Lord's Supper--Is it still required | If Christ Has Not Come

What happened in 70 AD?  

Objective: Many articles prove the significance of Jesus’ return in 70 AD. It has been proven repeatedly that the prophecies of the prophets and of Jesus came true. It has also been proven that the disciples taught only what they had been taught and left nothing out.  In this paper, I am trying to point out other things that also happened in 70 AD. There are a lot more things that happened then that affect us today.  One of these things is the existence of the devil or Satan. Trying to point out something that people want to hold on to is going to be hard. In this article, I will pose some questions to people who hold on the existence of Satan and say that he still has power and in doing so, believe the opposite of what the Scriptures teach. When one is first introduced to Preterism or eschatology, it goes against all that one has been taught. The same could be said about this topic. I hope you enjoy this article and it helps you in your continuing study of God’s Word.

  This study is about “the devil, Satan, the serpent” and his existence today. Back in the late 60’s and early 70’s, Flip Wilson had a saying: “The Devil made me do it”. How true is that statement?  Is the devil so powerful that we today, cannot resist him or is he powerless. Is he still alive or does he not exist in any way, form or fashion? I read in a book once that the devil is powerless. In that same book, it also stated that the devil has the power to deceive. Which one is it? How can the devil be powerless and still have power?

  The only place to start is at the beginning. Let’s consider Genesis 3:15:

“And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head and you will strike his heel.”

In other versions, it may use the phrase “and he will bruise your head and you will bruise his heel.” Bruise is even used in Young’s translation. So, what is the problem? If you look at the text in Hebrew, you will notice that each “bruise” has a different meaning. The meanings fits very well with the meaning of “bruise” in the Greek.

In Goodwick # 8789, the first “bruise” or “he will bruise your head” means:  to crush. In Goodwick # 8790, the second “bruise” or “..you will bruise his heel” means: to strike. One will notice the next two texts and how they are translated.  In looking at this text, one needs to look at the whole picture and know who will do what to whom to correctly interpret the text. 

Who is the “he” in this text? We all know that this text is talking about Jesus. Most Bibles refer one to Romans 16:20 and Hebrews 2:14. Let us start with Romans 16:20.

“The God of peace will soon crush Satan under you feet.”

The KJV and YLT again use the word “bruise”. The Greek-English Interlinear translates it like this:

“And the God – of peace will crush - Satan under the feet of you soon.”

The Greek meaning of the word “bruise or crush” in this text is: Strongs # 4937 or Goodwick

# 5341: to break, destroy, dash to pieces. So far, the meaning of the word  “bruise” in the New Testament and Old Testament is the same. Let us see if this meaning is carried throughout the Scriptures. 

Hebrews 2:14

“Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death-that is the devil.”

What does the phrase mean, “he might destroy him..”? In Strongs # 2672 and Goodwick

# 2934 destroy means: to nullify, abolish, to cease, pass way, to make void, to do away with, put an end to. Now I ask you, did Jesus do that or did he fail?

 In 1 Corinthians 15:26 it says, “ The last enemy to be destroyed is death.” In verse 24, it tells us that the end will come after everything has been destroyed and death was that last thing. The word  “destroy” has the same meaning as in Hebrews 2:14 and Romans 16:20.

Both in 1 Corinthians 15:26 and Hebrews 2:14, death, Satan or the Devil go hand in hand. I ask again. Did Jesus destroy death or not? Look at the time frame in Corinthians 15:24, “Then the end will come…” . Let’s look at 2 Timothy 2:10:

“…but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.”

Again, the meaning of “destroyed” is the same as the others. Now that we have seen that Jesus destroyed death at his appearing or coming in 70 AD, what kind of death was destroyed and what kind of life was brought? Was it physical death and physical life or spiritual death and spiritual? 

 In Revelation 12:12b “ But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.” What does “his time is short” mean? Could it mean that Satan knew his time was running out ? His number was being called up. Or could it mean in a futuristic sense that “soon” meat 1000 plus years. In Revelation 20:10, you have the Devil or Satan or the ancient serpent, the dragon (all names meaning the same person Revelation 20:2) being thrown into the lake of burning sulfur. In addition, death and Hades were thrown into the same place and here it is called the “lake of fire”. (verse 14)

 

 (See appendix 1 for the name “Lucifer”.)

 Here are some questions to the ones who believe that the devil still exists after 70 AD.

1.       If the devil was “judged” and cast into the lake of fire in Revelation 19 and still survived, would that make him more powerful then the Almighty God?

2.       How can someone that has been dashed in pieces or put an end to, still exist, today?

3.       If the devil still exists today, what is his purpose? What does he do? Does he just roam the earth with nothing to do, because he is powerless?

4.       Do you believe Scripture or not?

Max King, in his book “The Cross and the Parousia”, page 9 puts it this way, “…the primary aim of Christ’s Messianic reign (His pre-end-of-the-age reign) was the resurrection of the dead by means of the age-consummation defeat of sin and death.”

 

The law + Sin = Death

Let us go into this a little deeper. I am not going to go into detail about the eschatological matters. Many articles prove that Jesus has returned and the resurrection, judgment has happen in 70 AD. I would like to pose a question. The law passed away and death, Satan, Hades have been destroyed, all in the same time period, 70 AD. Where that leave “sin”?  In Romans 6:23 it says, “The wages of sin is death.” So, if sin still exists, what is the result from sin since death has been destroyed?

Again, let us start in the Old Testament. Go to Daniel 9:24.

“Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.”

What does it mean, “….to put an end to sin…”? In Strongs # 8552 or Goodwick # 9462, the word is “Taman”, which means to be finished, to completely destroy. Some say that it is talking about animal scarifies. That cannot be, because it talks about that in verse 27. You will also notice that it is using the same phase, “….will put an end to sacrifices and offerings…”. This phrase has a different Hebrew word and meaning. The word is “Sabat”, which means to rest or cease. Josephus tells us that this did happen around February 67 AD. This is from “Works of Josephus”, volume 1, and page 430.

In Hebrews 9:26b it says. “…But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by sacrifice of himself.”

Turn to 1 John 3:4-9. I want to put this into context so I will quote the whole text.

“Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. But you know that he appeared so that he might take away (or remove) our sins. And in him is no sin. No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No on who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. Dear children do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seen remains in him, he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.

 The phase “…appeared to destroy the devil’s work” means this: # 3395 Goodwick or # 3090 Strongs: to demolish, to loosen its obligation of a law or institution, or making void, doing away with.. From this meaning, it is talking about the law and sin.

The Greek-English Interlinear puts verse 8 like this: “For this was manifested the Son – of God, in order that he might undo the works of the devil.”  

Look at Romans 7:7-11:

“What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed, I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have know what coveting really was if the law had not said, ”Do not covet.” But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from law, sin is dead. Once I was alive apart from law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment deceived me and through the commandment put me to death.”

What does the phase, “..apart from law, sin is dead..” mean? 

Romans 5:12-14, 20

“Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all have sinned—for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account (or not charged to one’s account) when there is no law. Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.”

(20) “The law was added so that the trespass might increase..”

 

Romans 4:15

“.. because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.”

Are we living under the “law”? What does “…where there is no law there is no transgression,” mean?  What is the “law”?  The “law” is the rules and regulations that God gave Moses. The “law” also includes the “Ten Commandments”. The “law” has prophecies about Christ, the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD and many others. The “law” is no more. We are not even under the “Ten Commandments”. You might say, “Wait, just one minute”. We follow the “Thou shall not’s..”

James 2:10 puts it this way.

“For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it”

Do we, today “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy…” Exodus 20:8. There were around 613 separate commandments in the entire Law of Moses. Today we are living under the results of the promises that were giving to the first century Christians. While they lived under “hope”, we live under “assurance”. The “law” was only a shadow of what was to come. The whole book of Hebrews explains this by comparing the Old Covenant with the New Covenant.

Max King puts it this way in his book “The Cross and The Parousia of Christ”, page 644-645.

“The fact that Paul is dealing with the 70 AD consummation of the Jewish age is brought out clearly by the manner in which he expresses death’s ultimate defeat (1 Corinthians 15:55-57). “The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law”(verse 56) Paul is conscious that death’s defeat hinges upon sin’s defeat, and that the defeat of sin is tied to the annulment of the old aeon of law, which is sin’s strength. Many interpreters are puzzled by the presence of “the law” in a passage where the law would seen to have no relevancy if it were removed at the cross. Nevertheless, the law is in verse 56, and Paul sees its annulment in connection with the consummation of the age very much a part of the defeat of sin and death.

If sin, death and the law are, in Paul’s treatment of salvation-history, interlocking realities, how can these powers be defeated in Christ’s death and still remain to be defeated in the 70 AD consummation of the age?

However, if one already is free from the strength of sin (the law), and from the sting of death (sin), where is death’s power? For Paul, death is abolished when the state of sin and the law are abolished. The state of sin, the law, and consequently death are abolished when the old Covenant aeon is consummated, giving place to the New Covenant aeon of life and righteousness.”

Did the Second Coming affect everyone, both the save and unsaved? Did the Kingdom only come for a certain group of people or everyone? Was the judgement for everyone? Did the passing of the law and the destruction of death affect everyone? If we are living in the results of promises made to the fist century Christians, then the law, sin, death, Satan (the devil) no longer exist.

One may ask “Why is there evil in the world?” The answer is very easy. It is because of our own desires. We always want to blame someone else for our problems. That is why we want to hang on to the existence of Satan. We do not want to have personal responsibility for our actions. The world keeps telling us the reason we act the way we do is, because of experiences in  our childhood or parents mistreated us, or we had some terrible event happen while we were young and it has affect us. There are some that even blame God for the pickle they are in. How fast we forget what James says in James 1:13-14.

“ When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.”

We just do not realize that our beliefs have consequence. Our ideas affect our beliefs and also the way we view ourselves.

Our reason for living is found Revelation 5:9-10. This text is talking about us today.

“..You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation. You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.”

 

Richard K. McPherson Richard.mcpherson2@halliburton.com  
4322 FM 451  
Waskom, Texas 75692

Other articles include:  Is Jesus Yahweh, God Almighty? ,  Why the “Church” is not the Kingdom, Under the New Convent, What is “Worship”. E-mail me if you would like to ask any questions.

Copyrighted 2001

P.S.  (1) I would like everyone’s help for some projects. I think it is about time that Preterits unite and put together a Correspondence Course for people that would like to study God’s word and I mean really study and help their relationship with God grow. I have some ideas, but I would like your input.

(2)     I would like to see the Bible reprinted with the words that the other translations leave out, for example: (1) Mello-about to

                                  (2) Earth-when it should mean land or dirt, and others,

                                  (3) Phrases that are in the original Hebrew or Greek that were taken out and words that are not in the original Hebrew or Greek that were added.

         (3)  I would like to see a list of Old Testament prophecies and their fulfillment in the New Testaments.  Not only from a biblical, but also historical standpoint.

If you would like to help me in completing 1 and 3, please let me know. You do not have to be an expert writer. I am not one, but God can work wonders. Number 2 will be another matter. It will require years and a lot of prayer. 

 

APPENDIX 1

Footnote on the name of “Lucifer”. This name is given to the devil by many denominations today. They quote Isaiah 14:12.

“How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, (Lucifer is used in the KJV), son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!”

They stop there and make their point. The verse is taken out of context. One has to go back to chapter 13 and continue through 14:23 to understand what it is talking about. It is talking about the king of Babylon and its destruction. It tells us that in 13:13,14 and 14:22.

They quote Revelation 12:7-9, which is also taken out of context.

 

“And there was in heaven Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down – that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.”

The denominations say that this how the origin of the devil started. At the same time they teach that the book of Revelation is all future. If they would just read on.  Verse 10b gives the reason why for this action. To understand this you need to go to Job and read chapters 1-2:7. Satan could go into the presence of God and talk with God face-to-face, as Job chapters 1 and 2 states. You will notice that in the New Testament how the devil could enter people and make them do thing to themselves, not bad thing to other people as people today think. You can notice as the time came closer to 70 AD, the devil tried one more thing to destroy Christianity around 65-70 AD. Satan knew that his time was running out and he was willing to try anything. So Satan know that his time was short and with one blow  “…and he will crush his head..”. The final day was upon Satan.

 

The Bible says NOTHING on the origin of the Devil. Personally, I really do not wonder about his origin. The big thing is that he is defeated, destroyed and is no more. Where did the devil start? Who really cares, because he is no more.

 

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14 Jan 2002

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20:04:48

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One of Preterisms strengths is that there have been strong Preteristic elements taught without ceasing from the time of the NT until today. OT preteristic prophecy is reiterated in the NT and held by the Church fathers and the reformers. (Daniels 70th week, and Amos 9 including James comments on same in Acts 15 to name a couple.)

The doctrine of the Annihalation of Satan as proposed by Richard K. McPherson seems to stand at odds with the Church Fathers interpretation of the doctrine.

Nevertheless some interesting points are made here.

AJP


Date:
14 Jan 2002
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i agree keep up your articles


Date:
15 Jan 2002
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It is liberating to 'search the Scriptures'. The ignorance of the nature of the New Covenant, the events of 70 A.D. and the ultimate demise of religious deception by 'diabolos' has been the bondage of the centuries. Bob usmc1div@earthlink.net


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As a new Preterist I struggle with this question: With Satan gone, has all demonic activity ceased to exist for the past 2000 years? How can witchcraft exist without the demonic as it's source? Does that mean all supernatural claims held by other religions are simply fabrications? My old worldview is clashing with the new, so I'm having some difficulty getting to the truth of the matter.


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Richard,

Excellent work, my friend. If I may, I'd like to add a few comments in support of your position that Satan is no more.

The judicial death that Paul calls, sin-death (as I believe Max King also refers to it) is not the general death of humankind, but refers to those who were separated from their New Covenant inheritance by violating the Law of Moses -- agreeing with one of your major points.

I believe the point about Satan, "holding the power of death" supports an understanding that the Law was the Adversary -- that is, Satan. Let's follow the concept through the New Testament:

Hebrews 2:14 -- Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil...

Romans 7:9-10 -- I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me...

I Corinthians 15:26 -- The last enemy that will be abolished is death.

Ephesians 2:15 -- ...by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, the Law of commandments, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, establishing peace...

I Corinthians 15:56 -- The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law...

So, then the Law is what had the power of death. The Law was destroyed and was thrown into the Lake of Fire along with all of its AGGELOS (messengers, or agents -- often translated, "angel"). I think that the Lake of Fire is the firey trial of II Peter:

II Peter 3:7 -- But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

II Peter 3:12 -- ...looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat!

We know that the elements are the elements of the Law. Heaven and earth refer to the Land of Israel; coming from the Preterist perspective.

So, then, the power of death was sin. Since sin was a violation of the Law, then it was the Law that held the power of death. The last enemy was the Law, since it was the Law that was the enemy of life. Therefore, the Law was the Adversary.

Steve Smith


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16 Jan 2002
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Yeah!

Gentry is wrong once again !!!

Bahnsen


Date:
18 Jan 2002
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"meat 1000 plus years. "?

Where that leave “sin”?

No on who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.?

Many interpreters are puzzled by the presence of “the law” in a passage where the law would seen to have no relevancy if it were removed at the cross

save and unsaved? ?


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For a different understanding of Satan, see the document "YAHWEH and Satan", at this site -

assenblyoftrueIsrael.com/

Otherwise, I like the information, and your perspective...JW


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And David said to Joab and to the rulers of the people, Go, number Israel from Beersheba even to Dan; and bring the number of them to me, that I may know it."&nbsp; </i>Here the Bible shows that David knew not to number Israel but nevertheless gave in to arguments that were brought to him because of Satan.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Job 1:5-7 <i>"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them."&nbsp;</i> Here Satan moves God to test His servants, even to the point of death.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Matthew 4:10 <i>"Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."</i>&nbsp; Jesus our Lord is first tempted by Satan and proven by his trials in the wilderness before He can begin his public ministry.&nbsp; Jesus passes all these trials, as Satan has nothing in Jesus.&nbsp; However with us Satan would will temporary victories as he did with Peter in Matt. 16:23 and Matt. 26:31-35.&nbsp;&nbsp; And errors like this continue until we have learned the error of our ways and repented.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Matthew 16:23 <i>"But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men."</i>&nbsp; Those things that are in men come originally from Satan.&nbsp; And it is he who tempts men according to the Bible.&nbsp; To say that Satan no longer exists is to say that men no longer need to get saved.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Mark 3:23 <i>"And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?"</i> Satan in fact inhabits places where it is the job of the Christian to cast him out.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Mark 4:15 <i>"And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts."</i>&nbsp; As the Gospel is preached it is Satan who works to thwart the progress of the Gospel.&nbsp; To bring cares into the lives of men that will supersede the lordship of Christ, Mark 4:19.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Luke 8:11 <i>"Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12&nbsp; Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved."</i>&nbsp; Not all men will believe because they are under the dominion of the devil.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Luke 10:18 <i>"And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."</i>&nbsp; Satan's end is foreseen by Christ.&nbsp; This end is found in the cross of Christ.&nbsp; Yet at the same time is is still an ongoing process for the Christian until the time of his death.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Luke 13:16&nbsp; <i>"And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?"</i>&nbsp; Satan bring men under various vices which they themselves cannot be freed from without the aid of Christ.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Luke 22:31 <i>"And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:"&nbsp;</i> Satan tempted Peter and Satan has a temporary victory, but in the end Peter overcomes and is martyred for Christ upside down.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Acts 5:3 <i>"But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?"</i>&nbsp; Satan here succeeds in his temptation of Ananias, and in the end Ananias is held accountable for surrendering to him.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Acts 10:37-39&nbsp; <i>"That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38&nbsp; How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:"</i>&nbsp; The book of Acts sums up Jesus healing ministry saying he was "healing<i> all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him</i>".&nbsp; To conclude that there is no devil today when people suffer from so many diseases (including demonic possession and oppression) is outrageously unbiblical.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Acts 26:18 <i>"To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me."</i>&nbsp; When men become saved they are in fact delivered from Satan's kingdom and brought into the kingdom of God.&nbsp; If Satan no longer exists then every man is now in the kingdom of God and every man is saved from the power of Satan unto God.&nbsp; But that is not the case as men today are still being delivered from Satan's kingdom.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Acts 13:10 "And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?"&nbsp; Today there is still those who walk in the ways of Elymas the sorcerer who are children of the devil.&nbsp; Satan is still alive and well perverting the ways of God to those who would seek Jesus and be saved.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Romans 16:20 <i>"And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen."</i>&nbsp; When a church overcomes in an area of humanity formally occupied by Satan, this is where Satan falls under our feet.&nbsp; In AD 70 the church of Jesus Christ overcame many religious obstacles forever that paved the way for Jesus to become the Jehovah in a new world.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 Corinthians 5:5 <i>"To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."</i>&nbsp; Satan is allowed by God to bring on men various diseases.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 Corinthians 7:5 <i>"Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency."</i>&nbsp; Satan tempts Christians with adultery.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2 Corinthians 2:11 <i>"Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices."</i>&nbsp; Christians are foremost at war with Satan, not only at war with the world and the flesh, see also 2 Corinthians 11:14.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2 Corinthians 12:7 <i>"And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure."&nbsp;</i> Satan has a job which ultimately secures the victory of Christ in our lives.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Ephesians 2:1-6 <i>And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5</i></font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099"><i>Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7&nbsp; That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus."&nbsp; </i>Christians salvation has to do with being delivered out from Satan's kingdom into the kingdom of God.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Ephesians 6:11 <i>"Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil."</i>&nbsp; Christians are to stand against the wiles of the devil lest they give him a place in their hearts, Ephesians 4:27.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 Thessalonians 2:18 <i>"Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us."</i>&nbsp; Satan works to thwart the progress of the Gospel being spread throughout the world.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2 Thessalonians 2:9 <i>"Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,"&nbsp;</i> Satan works with false miracles as he did with against Moses.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 Timothy 1:20<i> "Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme."</i>&nbsp; Satan comes against the strength of men in their heath and and well being that they may be strong in the Lord.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 Timothy 3:6-7 <i>"Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.&nbsp; Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil."</i>&nbsp; Those that give way to pride fall into the same condemnation of the devil.&nbsp; Clearly Satan still is a problem in the church.&nbsp; Those that give way to him <i>"are taken captive by him at his will."</i> 2 Timothy 2:26</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 Timothy 5:15<i> "For some are already turned aside after Satan."</i>&nbsp; When men turn away from the preaching of the Gospel they are in fact turning to Satan.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; James 3:15 "<i>This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish."</i>&nbsp; There is still a wisdom today that Christians fight against which is opposed to God and can only be defined as devilish. You who are Christians therefore must <i>"Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." </i>James 4:7 <i>.</i></font></b> <br><b><i><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 Peter 5:8 "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:"&nbsp; </font></i><font color="#000099">The Christian life consists of individuals who are vigilant and sober aware of their adversary the devil who seeks to bring them under his dominion and away from the dominion of Christ.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 John 3:8 <i>"He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."</i>&nbsp; There are still men on this earth who commit sins. No all men will be saved, but only those who believe.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Revelation 20:10 <i>"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." </i>The generation of Christ overcame those obstacles which stood in the way of their victories that were set before them.&nbsp; Likewise we too must overcome in the same way with what powers are set before us by Satan.</font></b> <br><b><font color="#000099">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; A question of concern at this point concerning the person of Satan himself is, if he is not yet in the lake of fire after AD 70, and if he will always interfere in the lives of Christians, when and how then will he or does he enter eternal damnation as told of in Revelation 20:10?&nbsp; An equally puzzling question which will help us understand our problem with this first questions is, how can Satan be bound in Revelation 20:1-3 and at the same time be a trouble to Christians in Revelation 3:13 during the millennium?&nbsp; Foremost we know that Satan is cast in the lake of fire and brimstone tormented day and night forever and ever as pertains to those people of that generation of AD 70 who overcame as told of in Revelation 1-3 to enter the New Heavens and Earth.&nbsp; He is in fact removed from their world, but the Bible says nothing about him being removed from this world!&nbsp; And if fact during the tribulaion Jerusalem on earth became the abode of the damned.&nbsp; That he is in the bottomless pit during the millennium, this pertains to the aspects of the kingdom of God which men are able to experience prior to the rapture after the cross.&nbsp; And so at the same time Satan is loosed to our generation.&nbsp; And this pertains to Satan's meeting the damned.&nbsp; Just as there is the second coming of Christ in the NT so to is there a coming of Satan as seen in 2 Thessalonians 2:7-9, John 14:30, 16:32.&nbsp; Although Satan is in the lake of fire and brimstone tormented day and night forever and ever his kindgom still exists to interfere in this world spoken of in the NT, because he was and is a part of the world that is passing away.&nbsp; Although Satan has existed for a limited period of time, yet it is in fact a period of time which we enter into when we enter into this world.&nbsp; The world that Christians are to seperate from is a world that is a gateway for many into the kingodm of damnation.&nbsp; Although Satan is finished, yet he is and is to come prior to the second coming of Chirst, Revelation 4:8.&nbsp; He appears to tempt (Matt. 24:10-13, Revelation 6:2) the damned and take them with him to his kingdom.&nbsp; And we who are overcoming Christians, and Christ Himself was tempted to be made perfect to enter into the kingdom of God, James 1:4.</font></b> </body> </html>


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28 Jan 2002
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Is Satan removed from the world? By Donald Perry, http://redirectionalism.com/

Consistent Preterism necessarily leads to the belief that Satan and his commanded armies have been removed from this earth. However in the Bible Satan in who the Christian is tempted by and at war with in the face of evil. This is shown by the way Satan brings physical evil on Christians. The Bible teaches that there is evil in the world, and that the Christian faces this on a daily basis from the person of Satan. 1 Chronicles 21:1-2 "And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. And David said to Joab and to the rulers of the people, Go, number Israel from Beersheba even to Dan; and bring the number of them to me, that I may know it." Here the Bible shows that David knew not to number Israel but nevertheless gave in to arguments that were brought to him because of Satan. Job 1:5-7 "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them." Here Satan moves God to test His servants, even to the point of death. Matthew 4:10 "Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." Jesus our Lord is first tempted by Satan and proven by his trials in the wilderness before He can begin his public ministry. Jesus passes all these trials, as Satan has nothing in Jesus. However with us Satan would will temporary victories as he did with Peter in Matt. 16:23 and Matt. 26:31-35. And errors like this continue until we have learned the error of our ways and repented. Matthew 16:23 "But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men." Those things that are in men come originally from Satan. And it is he who tempts men according to the Bible. To say that Satan no longer exists is to say that men no longer need to get saved. Mark 3:23 "And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?" Satan in fact inhabits places where it is the job of the Christian to cast him out. Mark 4:15 "And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts." As the Gospel is preached it is Satan who works to thwart the progress of the Gospel. To bring cares into the lives of men that will supersede the lordship of Christ, Mark 4:19. Luke 8:11 "Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved." Not all men will believe because they are under the dominion of the devil. Luke 10:18 "And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven." Satan's end is foreseen by Christ. This end is found in the cross of Christ. Yet at the same time is is still an ongoing process for the Christian until the time of his death. Luke 13:16 "And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?" Satan bring men under various vices which they themselves cannot be freed from without the aid of Christ. Luke 22:31 "And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:" Satan tempted Peter and Satan has a temporary victory, but in the end Peter overcomes and is martyred for Christ upside down. Acts 5:3 "But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?" Satan here succeeds in his temptation of Ananias, and in the end Ananias is held accountable for surrendering to him. Acts 10:37-39 "That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:" The book of Acts sums up Jesus healing ministry saying he was "healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him". To conclude that there is no devil today when people suffer from so many diseases (including demonic possession and oppression) is outrageously unbiblical. Acts 26:18 "To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me." When men become saved they are in fact delivered from Satan's kingdom and brought into the kingdom of God. If Satan no longer exists then every man is now in the kingdom of God and every man is saved from the power of Satan unto God. But that is not the case as men today are still being delivered from Satan's kingdom. Acts 13:10 "And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?" Today there is still those who walk in the ways of Elymas the sorcerer who are children of the devil. Satan is still alive and well perverting the ways of God to those who would seek Jesus and be saved. Romans 16:20 "And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen." When a church overcomes in an area of humanity formally occupied by Satan, this is where Satan falls under our feet. In AD 70 the church of Jesus Christ overcame many religious obstacles forever that paved the way for Jesus to become the Jehovah in a new world. 1 Corinthians 5:5 "To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus." Satan is allowed by God to bring on men various diseases. 1 Corinthians 7:5 "Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency." Satan tempts Christians with adultery. 2 Corinthians 2:11 "Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices." Christians are foremost at war with Satan, not only at war with the world and the flesh, see also 2 Corinthians 11:14. 2 Corinthians 12:7 "And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure." Satan has a job which ultimately secures the victory of Christ in our lives. Ephesians 2:1-6 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus." Christians salvation has to do with being delivered out from Satan's kingdom into the kingdom of God. Ephesians 6:11 "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil." Christians are to stand against the wiles of the devil lest they give him a place in their hearts, Ephesians 4:27. 1 Thessalonians 2:18 "Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us." Satan works to thwart the progress of the Gospel being spread throughout the world. 2 Thessalonians 2:9 "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders," Satan works with false miracles as he did with against Moses. 1 Timothy 1:20 "Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme." Satan comes against the strength of men in their heath and and well being that they may be strong in the Lord. 1 Timothy 3:6-7 "Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil." Those that give way to pride fall into the same condemnation of the devil. Clearly Satan still is a problem in the church. Those that give way to him "are taken captive by him at his will." 2 Timothy 2:26 1 Timothy 5:15 "For some are already turned aside after Satan." When men turn away from the preaching of the Gospel they are in fact turning to Satan. James 3:15 "This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish." There is still a wisdom today that Christians fight against which is opposed to God and can only be defined as devilish. You who are Christians therefore must "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." James 4:7 . 1 Peter 5:8 "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:" The Christian life consists of individuals who are vigilant and sober aware of their adversary the devil who seeks to bring them under his dominion and away from the dominion of Christ. 1 John 3:8 "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil." There are still men on this earth who commit sins. No all men will be saved, but only those who believe. Revelation 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." The generation of Christ overcame those obstacles which stood in the way of their victories that were set before them. Likewise we too must overcome in the same way with what powers are set before us by Satan. A question of concern at this point concerning the person of Satan himself is, if he is not yet in the lake of fire after AD 70, and if he will always interfere in the lives of Christians, when and how then will he or does he enter eternal damnation as told of in Revelation 20:10? An equally puzzling question which will help us understand our problem with this first questions is, how can Satan be bound in Revelation 20:1-3 and at the same time be a trouble to Christians in Revelation 3:13 during the millennium? Foremost we know that Satan is cast in the lake of fire and brimstone tormented day and night forever and ever as pertains to those people of that generation of AD 70 who overcame as told of in Revelation 1-3 to enter the New Heavens and Earth. He is in fact removed from their world, but the Bible says nothing about him being removed from this world! And if fact during the tribulaion Jerusalem on earth became the abode of the damned. That he is in the bottomless pit during the millennium, this pertains to the aspects of the kingdom of God which men are able to experience prior to the rapture after the cross. And so at the same time Satan is loosed to our generation. And this pertains to Satan's meeting the damned. Just as there is the second coming of Christ in the NT so to is there a coming of Satan as seen in 2 Thessalonians 2:7-9, John 14:30, 16:32. Although Satan is in the lake of fire and brimstone tormented day and night forever and ever his kindgom still exists to interfere in this world spoken of in the NT, because he was and is a part of the world that is passing away. Although Satan has existed for a limited period of time, yet it is in fact a period of time which we enter into when we enter into this world. The world that Christians are to seperate from is a world that is a gateway for many into the kingodm of damnation. Although Satan is finished, yet he is and is to come prior to the second coming of Chirst, Revelation 4:8. He appears to tempt (Matt. 24:10-13, Revelation 6:2) the damned and take them with him to his kingdom. And we who are overcoming Christians, and Christ Himself was tempted to be made perfect to enter into the kingdom of God, James 1:4.


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06 Mar 2002
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personally i don't think there is a specific being to be "the devil".adam was created the "natural man".Adam and eve were naked and not ashamed-it is obvious,after studying the meaning of naked,this does not mean physically naked but that the natural man has a very sly and cunning nature that is hidden in darkness.so, to me the flesh and the devil are synomynos.Jesus was tempted of his own flesh in the wilderness when he hungered,etc.He overcame the power of the flesh.there is more i could get into but it gets quite lengthy.it is enough to say that an in-depth word by word study of the creation accounts is what opened my eyes to "satan".Not many understand nor want to because it is easier to believe what someone else says it means.thanks for allowing me to share.


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11 Mar 2002
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There are many good points in this article by Richard McPherson. I especially enjoyed the discussion of origin issue and the common misinterpretations of passages like Isa 14:12 and Revelation 12. However, this is a subject on which a great many full preterists (i.e. preterists) disagree. While the article makes many fine observations, it also makes a great many assumptions about the nature of the Lake of Fire and the relationship of satan to the existing non-Chosen -- assumptions that simply can't be used to arrive at the conclusions drawn. One would have to believe the Lake of Fire somehow means annihilation/non-existence to arrive at the conclusions put forth. It does not. For sure, the devil and his angels are now experiencing the fire-torments of gehenna/the Lake of Fire, commonly known as "hell" in today's popular jargon and thought. Their suffering is depicted in Revelation 14:10-11 as "torments in the presence of the lamb and the holy angels forever and ever." For sure, this is a comprehensive victory for the Church, as also is stated by equivalent passages like Heb 2:14-15, John 12:31, 2 Tim 1:10, 1 John 3:8, and 1 Cor 15:55-56. However, can one assume that such great and complete victory over the historic adversary of the saints has come upon any but the Chosen? Those outside of the blessedness of the Chosen have not entered into the victory of Christ in any way whatsoever, but remain in darkness and of the darkness, unchanged by Christ's victory. We see them in Revelation 22:14-15 standing right outside of our Heavenly New Covenant city. These are they that defile and work their abominations and lies -- and "in no way shall they enter" into our New Jerusalem (Rev 21:27). In contrast, "blessed are they that wash their robes" that they may enter in through the gates into our Holy City and join us today in our New Heavenly Jersusalem. *Wash Your Robes And Enter In Through the Gates* For sure, the gospel of the Kingdom must be received for the damned to be released out of their satanic darkness and enter in to the light and victory of Christ and the Church. Only by receiving the gospel of the Kingdom do men "wash their robes" and enter into the Heavenly Jersualem. This great victory and power over darkness only comes to the Chosen. The preaching of the gospel of the Kingdom serves to <b>"open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God that they may receive forgiveness of sins and inheritance among them who are sanctified" (Acts 26:18). This so clearly shows us that the victory of moving from darkness to light and from satan's power to God's power, and from unforgiveness with God to forgiveness with God, and from non-inheritance to full inheritance -- this victory is for those that are "SANCTIFIED BY FAITH THAT IS IN HIM [Christ]."</b> Does such blessedness apply in any form to anyone but the Chosen? No. "He that believeth not is condemned already because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God" (Jn 3:19). For sure, the O.T. jews that rejected Christ and his Kingdom have been fully joined to the rest of the unbelieving heathen in "outer darkness" (Matt 8:12). In contrast, Jesus said, " HE THAT FOLLOWETH ME shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life (John 8:12). All this blessedness spoken of , in relation to victory over satan and darkness, has come only upon the Chosen. So, to answer the four questions put forth by R.M. in the article: Q#1) The question falsely assumes annihilation, and ignores ignores the full unity the damned on the earth have with darkness and hell in the same manner the Chosen on the earth have full unity with Light and heaven. Q#2) Satan being "dashed to pieces" and "made of no effect" (and other equivalents) does not necessitate non-existence. Rev 14:10 shows satan being tormented in the presence of the Lamb and the Angels, in whose presence are also all the blessed saints as seen in Hebrews 12:22-24. Q#3) The purpose is the same as it was from the beginning. Satan was described as a liar and murderer and a thief who robs and destroys. He is in darkness and of darkness. He is still fully present in those we see in Revelation 22:14-15 standing right outside of our Heavenly New Covenant city. These are they, who like their master, defile and work abominations and lies -- and "in no way shall they enter" into our New Jerusalem (Rev 21:27) without having their robes washed by the blood of the Lamb. They still exist on earth today, doing their works of darkness. They are all who do not believe in Christ and therefore have not entered into the New Heavenly Jerusalem with us. Their only escape from their union with satan and darkness is by the regeneration applied by God upon them through the gospel of the Kingdom as in Acts 26:18. Q#4) If I did not believe scripture I would not be a full preterist and writing in response to the article. With you in the Victory of Christ and the dominion of the Saints over heaven and earth, BJ


Date:
16 May 2002
Time:
17:46:02

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Dear Bro. McPherson: Could not agree with you more and to resist the devil [Judaism], and cling to the hope of Jesus' return in 70 A.D. just makes sense. I concur with you on the 'lord's supper' and baptism as the means to keep the Believer's unified until Jesus returned in 70 A.D. How did we ever buy into the dispensational scheme. I was brain washed in Seminary!!!!! It took me over forty years to get out of the 'quicksand' while in the Baptist pastor(ate). Bro. Bob Williams 67 years old usmc1div@earthlink.net USMC....KOREAN VETERAN Semper Fi/Gung Ho [Always Faithful and Working Together.


Date:
24 Jun 2002
Time:
00:46:57

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U.F.O's , spirit guides , dead relatives speaking , ghosts , not to mention the ickiness in the news world wide.All imagined? Why would we be concerned about the existence of the devil anyway because we, by our own human potential in this age have, out done anything he accomplished before A.D. 70,or els he still creaps arround. Rob S.


Date:
03 Apr 2004
Time:
13:00:57

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I WAS GIVEN THE IMPRESSION THAT LUCIFER WAS ADAM SAYING IN HIS HEART I WILL ASCEND INTO THE HEAVENS AND BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH,LUCIFER BEING THE BRIGHT MORNING STAR,AND JESUS BEING THE BRIGHT MORNING STAR ,TO ME I MAY BE WRONG,IT SOUNDS LOGICAL THAT LUCIFER BE ADAM,BECAUSE CHRIST IS THE LAST ADAM,THE BRIGHT AND MORNING STAR.


Date:
03 Jul 2004
Time:
06:27:42

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i think he is in every one?


Date:
29 Jan 2005
Time:
07:56:20

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I have something else to consider. I believe it is unscriptural for the Believer to fast and pray since the Parousia of Christ in AD 70! Christ prayed only because He was absent from the Father. The disciples prayed only in the absence of the Son. Particularly after the Ascension of Christ in the Cloud, which is the beginning of the tribulation period. So the question would be, "Why should believers of the Gospel in this present age pray when the Father, Son, and Spirit have made their permanent abode within them? Fulfilling the promise of John 14:23. As Revelation 21:3 being the actual historical fulfillment of this prophecy.


Date: 23 Dec 2005
Time: 22:15:47

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Religion is the root of all evil. If there ever was a devil it was probably him that invented religion in the first place. Why is there so much turmoil in the world? Because of religion! Religion has done nothing but divide people from the very beginning.
Would god if there was one allow such awful suffering of his people... forget it.
Get a life.

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