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"Full preterist" material is being archived for balanced representation of all preterist views, but is classified under the theological term hyper (as in beyond the acceptable range of tolerable doctrines) at this website.  The classification of all full preterism as Hyper Preterism (HyP) is built upon well over a decade of intense research at PreteristArchive.com, and the convictions of the website curator (a former full preterist pastor).  The HyP theology of final resurrection and consummation in the fall of Jerusalem, with its dispensational line in AD70 (end of old age, start of new age), has never been known among authors through nearly 20 centuries of Christianity leading up to 1845, when the earliest known full preterist book was written.  Even though there may be many secondary points of agreement between Historical/Modern Preterism and Hyper Preterism, their premises are undeniably and fundamentally different.

WARNING: THE FOLLOWING MATERIAL HAS BEEN CLASSIFIED AS "HYPER PRETERIST"


DISTINCTLY FULLPRET POSITIONS IN THIS ARTICLE:

  • All promises were fulfilled in AD70

  • The kingdom was established in AD70

  • The Church was immature until AD70

  • The Church became the perfect man in AD70

  • "That Which is Perfect" Came in AD70

  • God's heavenly temple came in AD70

  • Holiest of all closed until AD70

  • Salvation incomplete until AD70

  • AD70 Dispensationalism

  • Otherwise, even partial preterists use much of the arguments here

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SOME DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES OF SYSTEMATIZED HYPER PRETERISM

It is important to keep in mind that many ideas and doctrines full preterism appeals to - such as the complete end of the Old Covenant world in AD70 - are by no means distinctive to that view.   Many non HyPs believe this as well, so one need not embrace the Hyper Preterist system in order to endorse this view.   Following are exceptional doctrines which, so far as I've seen, are only taught by adherents of Hyper Preterism.:

DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES TAUGHT BY STANDARD FULL PRETERISM

  • All Bible Prophecy was Fulfilled By AD70

  • Atonement Incomplete at Cross ; Complete at AD70

  • The Supernatural Power of Evil Ended in AD70

  • The Spirit of Antichrist was Destroyed in AD70

  • "The Consummation of the Ages" Came in AD70

  • "The Millennium" is in the Past, From AD30 to AD70

  • Nothing to be Resurrected From in Post AD70 World ; Hades Destroyed

  • The Christian Age Began in AD70 ; Earth Will Never End

  • "The Day of the Lord" was Israel's Destruction ending in AD70

  • The "Second Coming" of Jesus Christ Took Place in AD70-ish

  • The Great Judgment took place in AD70 ; No Future Judgment

  • The Law, Death, Sin, Devil, Hades, etc. Utterly Defeated in AD70

  • "The Resurrection" of the Dead and Living is Past, Having Taken Place in AD70

  • The Context of the Entire Bible is Pre-AD70 ; Not Written To Post AD70 World

DISTINCTIVE DOCTRINES TAUGHT BY VARIOUS FORMS
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  • Baptism was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)

  • The Lord's Prayer was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)

  • The Lord's Supper was for Pre-AD70 Era (Cessationism)

  • The Holy Spirit's Paraclete Work Ceased in AD70 (Cessationism)

  • The Consummation in AD70 Caused Church Offices to Cease (Cessationism)

  • The Resurrection in AD70 Changed the "Constitutional Principle" of Marriage (Noyesism)

  • Israel and Humanity Delivered into Ultimate Liberty in AD70 (TransmillennialismTM)

  • The Judgment in AD70 Reconciled All of Mankind to God ; All Saved (Preterist Universalism)

  • Adam's Sin No Longer Imputed in Post AD70 World ; No Need to be Born Again (Preterist Universalism)

  • When Jesus Delivered the Kingdom to the Father in AD70, He Ceased Being The Intermediary (Pantelism/Comprehensive Grace?)

  • The Book of Genesis is an Apocalypse; is About Creation of First Covenant Man, not First Historical Man (Covenantal Preterism)

 

  The Gift of Tongues and That Which is Perfect

By David A. Green

    If there are prophecies, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; or knowledge, it will be done away.  For we know in part, and we prophesy in part; but when that which is perfect comes, that which is in part will be done away.  When I was a child, I used to speak as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things.  For now we see in a mirror, in an enigma, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I shall fully know just as I am fully known.

I Cor. 13:8-12 - That Which Is Perfect

    In the above passage of Scripture the Apostle Paul taught that at the coming of "that which is perfect," three things were to happen:  "Prophecies" would be abolished, "knowledge" (supernaturally revealed knowledge) would be abolished, and "tongues" (supernaturally acquired speaking of languages) would cease.  "Prophecies," "knowledge," and "tongues" were things that were "in part," incomplete or imperfect.  Paul compared having them to still being a child and to looking through a mirror dimly instead of face to face.  Whereas the doing away of those things was to mean the coming of completeness or maturity.

    Based on Paul's words in this passage, the only question as to whether or not the gift of "tongues" exists today as it did in Bible times is a question of timing: Has "that which is perfect" come?  If it has, then tongues have ceased.  But if "that which is perfect" has not yet come, then tongues have not ceased and God has meant for tongues to continue on throughout the centuries as a normal practice in the Church up to our present day.

    First, to determine whether or not "that which is perfect" has come we must determine exactly what "that which is perfect" is.  The Greek word for "perfect" here is telios, and it means "complete," "full grown" or "mature"; it refers to something which has been brought to its end or goal.  Paul was looking forward to a coming maturity or completeness.

    There are two other places in the New Testament which speak of that perfection to which Paul and the 1st-century Church were hoping to attain.  From those two passages and their contexts we will be able to determine exactly what "that which is perfect" was to be, and also when it was to come.  The two references are Eph. 4:13 and Heb. 9:11.  Let's look at Eph. 4:13 first:

 

Ephesians 4:13
The Perfect Man, The Temple of God

    "...until we all may come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a full-grown [TELIOS] man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ...."

    Here we see that "that which is perfect" was to be the full-grown Body of Christ, the mature Church.  God was building up Christ's Body, the Church, through the gifts of the Holy Spirit to the end that the Church would grow up in Christ-likeness unto the mature or perfect (telios) Man (Eph. 4:11-13). [in AD70]

    And Eph. 2:21 teaches us exactly what this final perfection of the Body of Christ was to mean:  When the Church finally reached maturity or perfection through the gifts of the Holy Spirit, it was to become God's Temple.  Through the gifts of the Holy Spirit, the Church was "being built together into a Dwelling-place of God in the Spirit" (Eph. 2:22).  The Apostle Peter also referred to that future perfection when he wrote, "...you also as living stones are being built a spiritual house...." (I Peter 2:25)

    "That which is perfect" then was to come by means of the Holy Spirit and was to be the consummation of the work of the Holy Spirit.  The gifts of the Holy Spirit were given to the end that the Body of Christ (the Church) would eventually become the perfect (telios) Dwelling/Temple/Tabernacle of God.

    Now according to the Bible, when exactly in history was the work of the Holy Spirit in perfecting the Body of Christ to be consummated or finished so that the perfect Temple of God would be come in its fullness bringing about the cessation of tongues?  To answer this, let's look at the final New Testament reference to the coming of "that which is perfect."

 

Hebrews 9:11
The Perfect Tabernacle and the Imperfect Tabernacle

    But Christ having appeared as a High Priest of the coming good things, through the greater and more perfect (TELIOS) Tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation....

    The "more perfect Tabernacle" here is that heavenly "Temple" or "Dwelling" unto which the Church was growing through the power of the Holy Spirit in Eph. 2:21,22.  It corresponds to the heavenly "building," "house" and "home" with which the Church was expecting to be clothed in II Cor. 5:1,2,6; it is the "Abode" which the Father and the Son were going to make within believers (Jn. 14:23); it is the promised "Tabernacle of God among men" which the Church was anxiously awaiting (Rev. 21:3; 22:7,10,12,20).  It was to be the formation of Christ in the Church which Paul was eagerly expecting in Gal. 4:19.  It was to be the realization of the first-century Church's hope of glory: "Christ in you" (Col. 1:27).  In very truth, it is that Kingdom which Jesus said is "within you" (Lk. 17:21).

    When the book of Hebrews was written (c. A.D. 66), the saints knew that the Way into the heavenly, telios Tabernacle or Sanctuary (the face-to-Face Presence of God) had not yet been manifest to all the saints (cf. Heb. 11:39,40) because the first, earthly tabernacle was still standing (Heb. 9:8,9). In other words, as long as the worldly, fleshly, old-testament tabernacle/temple of God was still standing, then "that which is perfect" ("the more perfect Tabernacle", the Temple of God; the complete, blood- perfected Church) had not yet come in its fullness.  [But did in AD70] As long as the imperfect earthly house of God remained standing and its sinful ministers were still in power, the "more perfect tabernacle" was not yet established with finality in Christ's true people.   [Wrong.  Horrible theology, cf. Heb 10:19-22 See: AD70 Storyline Fundamentally Different from Historical Christianity's 

 

    The Throwing Down of the Hand-Made Tabernacle

    In light of the above, we are now in a position to answer the question, When in history did the Tabernacle/Temple/Body "which is perfect" come? The answer is, When the tabernacle/temple/body which was imperfect went; that is to say, when the old-testament temple was thrown down and the old-testament world and way of worship passed away and vanished (Heb. 8:13).  At that time, tongues ceased.

    Jesus said concerning the old, imperfect temple at earthly Jerusalem,

    "Do you not see all these things?" [the beautiful stones and gifts and buildings of the temple]  "Truly I say to you, there shall not be left here one stone on a stone which shall not be thrown down."

    In A.D. 70, about 40 years after Jesus' prophecy, the old temple and the old covenant world were thrown down.  God's heavenly Temple was then completely established among men.  That which is telios had come!  God gathered His elect into His House (Kingdom) when the earthly, hand-made  house was thrown down (II Cor. 5:1).  The Church was complete in the New Covenant Presence of Christ.

    To sum up, prophecy, knowledge and tongues came to an end when:

  • 1. the Church became the TELIOS Tabernacle/Temple/Body of God through the work of the indwelling Holy Spirit,

    2. when the Way into the heavenly, TELIOS Tabernacle of God was made manifest to all the saints,

    3. when the non-telios, old testament tabernacle was thrown down by the judgment of God and the saints in the consummation of the old covenant age in A.D. 70.

 

I Cor. 14:21 and 22 - Tongues, a Sign of Israel's Destruction in A.D. 70

    The gift of tongues was given in the Last Days of the old covenant age as part of the process of covenantal transformation.  It was a sign of the then-impending end of the old covenant (cf. Heb. 8:13):

    "It has been written in the Law, 'By other tongues and by other lips I will speak to this people, and even so they will not hear Me, says the Lord.'  So that tongues are not a sign to those believing, but to those not believing." (I Cor. 14:21,22a)

    Paul quoted this passage from Isa. 28:11 and 12 where Isaiah in his day warned of the approaching invasion of apostate Israel by the Assyrians, a foreign nation which spoke in a foreign tongue.  In the first century A.D., God gave the sign of "tongues" to apostate Israel ("those not believing") as a warning of impending doom for themselves, their temple and their city.  But as Isaiah had predicted, "they would not listen."  (cf. Deut. 28:49 and Jer. 5:15)  Their house was left to them desolate, and they were destroyed in A.D. 70.  The Kingdom was taken from them and was given to the blood-perfected Church --the true Nation, House, Body, Temple and City of God.

 

Tongues Have Ceased

    Now if we no longer live in the era of covenantal transition wherein God was changing His dwelling from the symbolic, man-made temple to the true, heavenly Temple in the heart of His redeemed people; and if the destruction of unbelieving, old covenant Israel and its imperfect temple took place in A.D. 70, then it is manifest that tongues ceased by A.D. 70.

    Does this mean that no one ever speaks in tongues today?  Surely, if God wants someone to miraculously speak in another language, then that's what God will cause to happen.  God can do whatever He wants.  But the question should not be so much whether or not anyone ever speaks in another language by the Spirit of God today; the question should be whether or not Christians speak in tongues en masse as they did in the first century.

    It has been taught by some lately that God has re-poured His Spirit upon all flesh and has re-started the first-century tongues movement in our day because we are now, again, in "the last days."  But why would God return His people to those imperfect, partial things which were to exist only while the old testament form of worship was still being imposed upon fleshly Israel in its last waning years?  Are we to believe that God will return His people to the days of the child (the old testament age; cf. Gal. 4:1-7)?  Will we have to go back to the days of transition (from Biblical Judaism to Christianity, from old covenant to New Covenant) when God's people saw Christ as through a mirror in dimness and not face to face as we do now since Christ long ago removed the veil at the Consummation of the old-testament age in A.D. 70 (II Cor. 3:13-16)?

    The condemning, old (covenant) things passed away long ago.  All (covenant) things were made new. [in AD70]  Since the old-testament temple fell, Christ in the heart is forever the true "Tabernacle of God among men." Now in Christ our Redeemer -our Forgiver- the Church is enabled to realize the chief End of mankind: to love God with all his heart, soul, mind, and body; and to love his neighbor as himself.  Revelation (prophecy, knowledge and tongues) ceased, but the love of God in our hearts remains (II Cor. 3:11).  Amen

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Date: 06 Apr 2005
Time: 13:18:30

Comments:

I would like to know what is the preterist view of history or more specifically church history. If full preterism is true, then I think I can conclude that a lot of the NT really only applies to the "Covenantal Transformation" period and not to Christians today. For example, if we (the true Church) have already arrived to the "perfect man" according to Eph. 4:13, then there is no longer any need for apostles,prophets,evangelists,pastors, and teachers. Therefore, anyone who claims to be one of these five is mistaken. ??


Date: 26 Dec 2005
Time: 14:44:59

Comments:

It seems to me that we don't have to ask what Paul meant when he wrote "when perfection comes". He goes on to tell us exactly what it means in verse 12. "For now (before perfection comes)we see in a mirror, in an enigma, but then (when perfection comes)face to face; now (before perfection comes) I know in part, but then (when perfection comes)I shall fully know just as I am fully known.

One clarification is necessary. The mirrors of that day were a piece of polished metal and gave a poor reflection.

If you want to know if perfection has come and the gifts of the Holy Spirit have ceased, just use Paul's standard. Are you standing face to face with God? --and-- Do you know God as fully as God knows you? If your answer is no, then Paul says perfection has not come. Let the bible interpret itself. Why take it out of context and go to Ephesians. The context it is in, is self explanatory, and a better hermeneutic.

Barry Wuthrich
barrywuthrich@yahoo.com


Date: 10 Feb 2006
Time: 15:51:49

Comments:

I am a full preterist, the Lord led me down this path before I knew such a thing existed. I am blown away every time I hear someone say the gifts of the Holy Spirit do not exist anymore. But I guess I shouldn't be because it is always said by those who have been taught to believe that way. The gifts of the Holy Spirit are evidance of the 2nd major Feast of the Lord, but before you say anything remember this; when you say you are saved by the blood of the Lamb, in what ever terms you have to say it, this is evidance, a witness, a testimony of the first major Feast of the Lord, the Feast of Passover. You don't just throw out Passover do you? No! Then why would you discount the Feast of Pentecost? It is the reason the church actually exists, or to better say without this feast the church would not exist at all, and if you say the gifts ceased after 70 AD, then the church ceased also. Now the 3rd major Feast of the Lord, the Feast day of Atonement, was fulfilled that same feast
for, th
eir Feasts. Theological things are not the problem here, but dogma and hard hearts are. There are still Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors and Teachers, these are shepherds in Christ! Believe what you must, you can only hear what's in you to hear. Gods people (and I say that gingerly because many of them are not), have started wars over interpreting Gods Written Word. The things you seek can only be found in the same Word at another level and this is the very thing you seek to destroy with Gods own Written Word.


Date: 10 Feb 2006
Time: 15:51:49

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I am a full preterist, the Lord led me down this path before I knew such a thing existed. I am blown away every time I hear someone say the gifts of the Holy Spirit do not exist anymore. But I guess I shouldn't be because it is always said by those who have been taught to believe that way. The gifts of the Holy Spirit are evidance of the 2nd major Feast of the Lord, but before you say anything remember this; when you say you are saved by the blood of the Lamb, in what ever terms you have to say it, this is evidance, a witness, a testimony of the first major Feast of the Lord, the Feast of Passover. You don't just throw out Passover do you? No! Then why would you discount the Feast of Pentecost? It is the reason the church actually exists, or to better say without this feast the church would not exist at all, and if you say the gifts ceased after 70 AD, then the church ceased also. Now the 3rd major Feast of the Lord, the Feast day of Atonement, was fulfilled that same feast
for, th
eir Feasts. Theological things are not the problem here, but dogma and hard hearts are. There are still Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors and Teachers, these are shepherds in Christ! Believe what you must, you can only hear what's in you to hear. Gods people (and I say that gingerly because many of them are not), have started wars over interpreting Gods Written Word. The things you seek can only be found in the same Word at another level and this is the very thing you seek to destroy with Gods own Written Word.


Date: 15 Feb 2006
Time: 22:55:53

Comments:

Thank you for the above comments. I am a member of a full gospel church, and we are preterists. Some partial, some not. Dispensationalism had worked its way into eastern Europe, and we have held pastors conferences in Poland, Ukraine, and Austria. They started out skeptical, even critical, but by the end of the conference they are cheering at the revelation of fulfilled eschatology.

It's good to see someone else on this site who is not only free from dispensationalism, but also from the myth that the gifts have died out. Now we will be the church victorious. Jesus meant what He said."The kingdom of heaven does not consist of words, but of power." His power in us. Amen.

Barry


Date: 24 Apr 2006
Time: 16:30:16

Comments:

Does your article mean that pastors are finished (not to mention the other four gifts in Eph 4:11 since we have the mature complete temple?


Date: 11 Oct 2006
Time: 18:53:37

Comments:

Hebrews 9:8 speaks of the old tabernacle. I believe this is not the second rebuilt tabernacle (God was no longer in the temple, anyway), but the first tabernacle.

Hebrews 9:11 speaks of the old tabernacle as a thing of the past. It then speaks of Christ as having already come through the more perfect tabernacle.

You use this in your essay to state that once the SECOND tabernacle was destroyed, then the gift of tongues ceased. However, as was mentioned, God was not even in the second tabernacle at all. Since Hebrews 9:11 speaks of it in the past, it supports the idea that the reference is indeed to the first temple.

Also, because Hebrews was written about AD 66, and the second temple wasn't destroyed until AD 70, and Hebrews is speaking as if the less perfect had already passed away and the more perfect had already come, then it is impossible that "that which is perfect" refers to the second temple, as that was yet to be destroyed in the future.

Also, why would the gift of prophecy (a gift for believers, not unbelievers) cease along with tongues at the destruction of the temple?

The word "perfect" is used to mean complete, not perfect. That is, it indicates a state of wanting nothing else. "That which is perfect" is the Word of God, and it is at the completion of the New Testament canon (probably the writing of Jude) that the gift of tongues ceased.


Date: 17 Jul 2007
Time: 11:03:18

Comments:

Very well explained...still a very contenious subject in many churches....God had to use signs and wonders in OT because of the perverseness and lack of faith...Jesus satisfied that as did the complete canon of scripture. I've come from both sides of the fence and believe your position to be the most accurate.


Date: 30 Jun 2009
Time: 10:36:40

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Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For THE PROMISE IS UNTO YOU, AND TO YOUR CHILDREN, AND TO ALL THAT ARE AFAR OFF, EVEN AS MANY AS THE LORD OUR GOD SHALL CALL.


Date: 01 Jul 2013
Time: 06:54:15

Your Comments:

One who claims that the gifts of the Holy Spirit have ceased is all together saying there is no Holy Spirit in the Church. We all know that; Jesus Promised and send the helper/advocate who will be with us up to the end of the TIMES! What Paul meant was that people should not attach any significance on prophesy, revelations, miracles or speaking in tongues. He emphasized LOVE coupled with hope and faith.This is because God is love. Whoever loves has God.Whoever claims to have reached perfection is a liar. Even Paul said that he was forgetting whatever was behind and pressing on.He had not already attained perfection. Who are you to say Perfection has come? It is only and only God who is perfect. God is the Word.
 

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