The Early Church Fathers: No
Ed Tarkowski (Post-Tribulationist)
Though I am just beginning to look into Preterism, I found an important
list of quotes from the early Church Fathers and others up the 400 A.D.
that I think ought to posted somewhere. I will do that in a moment, but
let me explain the basics of what I have learned about Preterism.
There are two main classifications of Preterism. The
first is Full Preterism, which believes that all prophetic Scripture has
already been fulfilled in 70 A.D., including the resurrection, the
second coming of Christ, the reign of Christ with all having now been
handed over to the Father. Full Preterism is known by a number of
different names, such as Realized Eschatology and Hyper-Preterism. There
are other names, but any doctrine proposing that all has been fulfilled
is Full Preterism.
I imagine there are more than one offshoot of this
belief system, but the second main one is called Partial Preterism (in
which various beliefs vary within the doctrine itself), which believes
some of the prophetic Scriptures have been fulfilled, but there is still
to be a return of Christ one day. The following gives the general points
surrounding events in 70 A.D. according to various articles I have read
on the Full Preterism:
The second coming of Christ (spiritual, not
bodily) occurred in 70 A.D.
This coming was *THE* day of the Lord
Christ came spiritually in judgement in 70 A.D.
The Great Tribulation is a past event.
The resurrection was not a physical resurrection
but a spiritual one (1 Cor 15:44) in 70 A.D. This supposedly
fulfilled 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17.
Any future resurrection is only for those who
die, meaning the spirits of those who die go to be with the Lord
We are now living in the eternal kingdom of God
which will never end
We have fully received all the promises of God
and possess them in the present
The references to the early Church Fathers I referred
to early was found in a
between a believer in Full Preterism and a Partial Preterist,
Kenneth Gentry. He states,
"Second, hyper-preterism has serious implications for the
perspicuity of Scripture. This viewpoint not only has implications
for the later creeds, but for the instructional abilities of the
apostles: no one in church history knew the major issues of which
they spoke -- until very recently! Are the Scriptures that
impenetrable on an issue of that significance? Clement of Rome lived
through A. D. 70 and had no idea he was resurrected! He continued to
look for a physical resurrection (Clement 50:3). Jude's (supposed)
grandsons still sought a physical resurrection (cf. Eusebius, EH
3:24:4). Whoever these men were, they came right out of the first
generation and in the land of Israel -- with absolutely no inkling
of an A. D. 70 resurrection or a past second Advent. See also the
Didache 10:5; 16:1ff (first century); Ignatius; Trallians 9:2;
Smyrnaens 2:1; 6:1; Letter to Polycarp 3:2 (early second century);
Polycarp 2:1; 6:2; 7:1. See also Papias, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr."
I did my own search of the early Church Fathers and
found the following quotes, which were all written AFTER 70 A.D. when
the resurrection promised by Jesus is said by Full Preterists to have
taken place. Interesting is the fact that when I searched the ECF
documents, I came up with the 1,067 references to the resurrection.
Sporadically checking a number of them, I did not find any that said the
resurrection had occurred in 70 A.D. or that the resurrection was a past
event. Not only does Full Preterism leave us with very few promises, if
any, it mocks the early saints of the Church after 70. A.D. as though
they were ignorant that they had been resurrected. Can we even imagine
those saints standing for the faith and undergoing persecution and
martyrdom and doing so in total ignorance that THEY WERE ALREADY
RESURRECTED?! The thought that the resurrection has occurred is
I now list the early Church Fathers LOOKING FORWARD
to the resurrection, realizing that in other areas there may be problems
with some of the things they said concerning Christian beliefs. I list a
few quotes here, starting with John Chrysostom (347-407):
"For what position can be loftier or more secure
than that in which a man has only one anxiety, 'How he ought to
please God?' Hast thou seen the shipwrecks, Theodore, of those who
sail upon this sea? Wherefore, I beseech thee, avoid the deep water,
avoid the stormy billows, and seize some lofty spot where it is not
possible to be captured. There is a resurrection, there is a
judgment, there is a terrible tribunal WHICH AWAITS us when we have
gone out of this world; 'we must all stand before the judgment-seat
of Christ'" (St. Chrysostom, An Exhortation To Theodore After His
Fall, Letter II, 4).
"As then if we see any one sleeping we are not
disturbed or distressed, expecting that he WILL certainly get up:
even so when we see any one dead, let us not be disturbed or
dejected for this also is a sleep, a longer one indeed, but still a
sleep. By giving it the name of slumber He comforted the mourners
and overthrew the accusation of the unbelievers. If you mourn
immoderately over him who has departed you will be like that
unbeliever who has no hope of a resurrection. He indeed does well to
mourn, inasmuch as he cannot exercise any spiritual wisdom
concerning things to come: but thou who hast received such strong
proofs CONCERNING THE FUTURE LIFE, why dost thou sink into the same
weakness with him? Therefore it is written 'now concerning them that
are asleep we would not have you ignorant that ye sorrow not even as
others who have no hope'" (Chrysostom: Omily On The Paralytic Let
Down Through The Roof).
According to Full Preterism, Chyrsostom was totally
ignorant that 1 Thessalonians 4 had been fulfilled. Continuing,
"15. . . . What did He promise? Resurrection,
immortality of the body, union with angels, a place in the joyful
company of archangels, and as a citizen in His kingdom, immaculate
life, the good things 'which eye hath not seen, nor ear heard nor
have entered into the heart of man, things which God hath prepared
for them that love Him.'
16. Understand what is said, lest ye lose it: I
am labouring to enable you to perceive it. The dowry of the bride
then was divided into two portions consisting of things present and
things to come; things seen and things heard, things given and
things taken on trust, things experienced, and things to be enjoyed
hereafter; things belonging to present life, and things to come
AFTER THE RESURRECTION" (Chrysostom, Homily II, After Eutropius
Having Been Found Outside The Church Had Been Taken Captive).
"And Paul clearly testifies this, saying, 'For
the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the
manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject
to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him that subjected the
same in hope: because the creature itself also shall be delivered
from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the
children of God.' For the creation was made subject to vanity, he
says, and he expects that it will be set free from such servitude,
as he intends to call this world by the name of creation. For it is
not what is unseen but what is seen that is subject to corruption.
The creation, then, after being restored to a better and more seemly
state, remains, rejoicing and exulting over the children of God AT
THE RESURRECTION; for whose sake it NOW groans and travails, WAITING
itself also for our redemption from the corruption of the body,
that, WHEN we have risen and shaken off the mortality of the flesh,
according to that which is written, 'Shake off the dust, and arise,
and sit down, O Jerusalem,' and have been set free from sin, it also
shall be freed from corruption and be subject no longer to vanity,
but to righteousness" (Methodius, circa 311 A.D., From the Discourse
on the Resurrection, Part I, VIII).
If the resurrection has occurred, then we are now
ignorantly living in a new creation free from corruption.
"But I and others, who are right-minded
Christians on all points, are assured that there WILL BE a
resurrection of the dead, and a thousand years in Jerusalem, which
will then be built, adorned, and enlarged, [as] the prophets Ezekiel
and Isaiah and others declare" (Justin Martyr, 100-165 A.D.,
Dialogue With Trypho, Chapter LXXX.-The Opinion of Justin with
Regard to the Reign of a Thousand Years. Several Catholics Reject
"And on this account we believe that THERE WILL
BE a resurrection of bodies after the consummation of all things;
not, as the Stoics affirm, according to the return of certain
cycles, the same things being produced and destroyed for no useful
purpose, but a resurrection once for all, when our periods of
existence are completed, and in consequence solely of the
constitution of things under which men alone live, for the purpose
of passing judgment upon them. Nor is sentence upon us passed by
Minos or Rhadamanthus, before whose decease not a single soul,
according to the mythic tales, was judged; but the Creator, God
Himself, becomes the arbiter. And, although you regard us as mere
triflers and babblers, it troubles us not, since we have faith in
this doctrine. For just as, not existing before I was born, I knew
not who I was, and only existed in the potentiality (u0po/stasij) Of
fleshly matter, but being born, after a former state of nothingness,
I have obtained through my birth a certainty of my existence; in the
same way, having been born, and through death existing no longer,
and seen no longer, I shall exist again, just as before I was not,
but was afterwards born. Even though fire destroy all traces of my
flesh, the world receives the vaporized matter; and though dispersed
through rivers and seas, or torn in pieces by wild beasts, I am laid
up in the storehouses of a wealthy Lord. And, although the poor and
the godless know not what is stored up, yet God the Sovereign, when
He pleases, will restore the substance that is visible to Him alone
to its pristine condition" (Tatian's Address To The Greeks, circa
150 A.D., Chapter VI.-Christians' Belief in the Resurrection).
"The power and glory of God shine forth in the
weakness of human flesh, as he will render our body a participator
of the resurrection and of immortality, although He has formed it
from the dust of the earth; He WILL ALSO bestow upon it the
enjoyment of immortality, just as He grants it this short life in
common with the soul" (St. Irenaeus of Lyons, circa 130-202,
Adversus haereses, Book V, Chapter 3).
The resurrection of the believers is a bodily one and
it has not occurred. It must await the return of our Lord Jesus Christ
at the end of Daniel's 70th week. It is our hope, our only hope and Full
Preterism takes away the hope we have as Christians. I think this quote
from Chrysostom is somewhat appropriate regarding this matter:
"The doctrine of the Resurrection, too, was lame
(ekwleue) among them: for some of them had no strong belief that
there is any resurrection of bodies, having still on them the
disease of Grecian foolishness. For indeed all these things were the
progeny of the madness which belongs to Heathen Philosophy, and she
was the mother of all mischief. Hence, likewise, they had become
divided; in this respect also having learned of the philosophers.
For these latter were no less at mutual variance, always, through
love of rule and vain glory contradicting one another's opinions,
and bent upon making some new discovery in addition to all that was
before. And the cause of this was, their having begun to trust
themselves to reasonings" (Chrysostom, First Epistle Of St. Paul The
Apostle, To The Corinthians, Argument, 2).
During the first 400 years of the early Church after
70 A.D., the Fathers defended the truth of a future, bodily
resurrection. None of them stated otherwise, nor did they refute others
that it had already occurred. For 1900 years, the Church has believed in
a future resurrection from the dead at the glorious, visible, in-the-sky
return of Jesus Christ when every eye will see Him personally.
In one discussion I had, a brother in Christ gave me
these quotes from the early Church Fathers of those men who were
students of John the Apostle and of those these students taught. If any
of the ECF's should have known the resurrection had already taken place,
these should have. These quotes also show future events that Full
Preterism inisists have been fulfilled:
Polycarp-Pupil of John the Apostle (AD. 70-156)
THE EPISTLE OF POLYCARP TO THE PHILIPPIANS
CHAPTER VI.--THE DUTIES OF PRESBYTERS AND OTHERS
"we must all appear at the judgment-seat of
Christ, and must every one give an account of himself." Let us then
serve Him in fear, and with all reverence, even as He Himself HAS
COMMANDED US, AND AS THE APOSTLES WHO PREACHED THE GOSPEL UNTO US,
and the prophets who proclaimed beforehand the coming of the Lord
[have alike taught us]."
CHAPTER II.--AN EXHORTATION TO VIRTUE
"But He who raised Him up from the dead WILL
raise up us also"
PAPIAS-Pupil of John the Apostle (AD. 70-155)
FRAGMENTS OF PAPIAS FROM THE EXPOSITION OF THE
ORACLES OF THE LORD. V.
"those who are deemed worthy of an abode in
heaven SHALL go there, others SHALL enjoy the delights of Paradise,
and others SHALL possess the splendour of the city; for everywhere
the Saviour WILL BE seen, according as they SHALL BE worthy who see
"there WILL BE a millennium AFTER the
resurrection from the dead, when the personal reign of Christ WILL
BE established on this earth"
IGNATIUS-Pupil of John the Apostle (AD. 67-110)
THE EPISTLE OF IGNATIUS TO THE TRALLIANS
"He was also truly raised from the dead, His
Father quickening Him, even as after the same manner His Father WILL
SO raise up us who believe in Him by Christ Jesus"
CHAPTER I.--DESIRE OF IGNATIUS FOR MARTYRDOM.
"Ignatius, the disciple of John the apostle, a
man in all respects of an apostolic character, governed the Church
of the Antiochians with great care, having with difficulty escaped
the former storms of the many persecutions under Domitian"
Irenaeus-Student of John the Apostles's pupil
Polycarp (AD. 120-202)
AGAINST HERESIES, BOOK V, XXX
"But he indicates the number of the name now,
that WHEN this man comes we may avoid him, being aware who he is:
..But when this Antichrist SHALL HAVE devastated all things in this
world, he will reign for three years and six months, and sit in the
temple at Jerusalem; and then the Lord WILL COME from heaven in the
clouds, in the glory of the Father, sending this man and those who
follow him into the lake of fire; but bringing in for the righteous
the times of the kingdom"
AGAINST HERESIES, BOOK V, XXVI, 1
"In a still clearer light has John, in the
Apocalypse, indicated to the Lord's disciples what SHALL HAPPEN IN
THE LAST TIMES, and concerning the ten kings WHO SHALL THEN arise,
... These have one mind, and give their strength and power to the
beast. THESE SHALL make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb SHALL
OVERCOME them, because He is the Lord of lords, and King of kings.
... And THEY SHALL lay Babylon waste, and burn her with fire, and
SHALL GIVE their kingdom to the beast, and put the church to flight.
AFTER THAT THEY SHALL be destroyed by the coming of our Lord."
AGAINST HERESIES, BOOK V, XXXV, 1
"For ALL these and other words were
UNQUESTIONABLY SPOKEN IN REFERENCE TO THE RESURRECTION OF THE JUST,
WHICH TAKES PLACE AFTER the coming of Antichrist, AND the
destruction of all nations under his rule; IN [the times of] WHICH
[resurrection] THE RIGHTEOUS SHALL reign on the earth, waxing
stronger by the sight of the Lord: and through Him they SHALL become
accustomed to partake in the glory of God the Father, and SHALL
enjoy in the kingdom intercourse and communion with the holy angels,
and union with spiritual beings; and those whom the Lord SHALL FIND
IN THE FLESH, AWAITING HIM from heaven, and WHO HAVE suffered
tribulation, as well as escaped the hands of the Wicked one."
Hippolytus-Student of Iranaeus of the direct teaching
lineage of John (AD. 170-236)
TREATISE ON CHRIST AND ANTICHRIST, 5
"It is proper that we take the Holy Scriptures
themselves in hand, and find out from them what, and of what manner,
THE COMING of Antichrist is; ON WHAT OCCASION AND AT WHAT TIME that
impious one shall be revealed; and whence and from what tribe (he
shall come); and what his name is, which is indicated by the number
in Scripture; and how he SHALL WORK error among the people,
gathering them from the ends of the earth; and (how) he SHALL stir
up tribulation and persecution against the saints; and how he SHALL
glorify himself as God; and what his end SHALL BE; and how the
sudden appearing of the Lord SHALL BE revealed from heaven; and what
the conflagration of the whole world SHALL BE; and what the glorious
and heavenly kingdom of the saints IS TO BE, when they reign
together with Christ; and what the punishment of the wicked by
TREATISE ON CHRIST AND ANTICHRIST, 27,28
"As THESE THINGS, then, ARE IN THE FUTURE, and as
the ten toes of the image are equivalent to (so many) democracies,
and the ten horns of the fourth beast are distributed over ten
kingdoms, let us look at the subject a little more closely, and
consider these matters as in the clear light of a personal survey.
The golden head of the image and the lioness denoted the
Babylonians; the shoulders and arms of silver, and the bear,
represented the Persians and Medes; the belly and thighs of brass,
and the leopard, meant the Greeks, who held the sovereignty from
Alexander's time; the legs of iron, and the beast dreadful and
terrible, expressed the Romans, who hold the sovereignty at present;
the toes of the feet which were part clay and part iron, and the ten
horns, were emblems of the kingdoms that are yet to rise; the other
little horn that grows up among them meant the Antichrist in their
TREATISE ON CHRIST AND ANTICHRIST, 27,28
"With respect to his name, it is not in our power
to explain it exactly, as the blessed John understood it and was
instructed about it, but only to give a conjectural account of it;
for when he appears, the blessed one will show us what we seek to
know. ... Wherefore we ought neither to give it out as if this were
certainly his name, nor again ignore the fact that he may not
otherwise be designated. But having the mystery of God in our heart,
we ought in fear to keep faithfully what has been told us by blessed
prophets, in order that WHEN THOSE THINGS COME TO PASS, we may be
prepared for them, and not be deceived. FOR WHEN THE TIMES ADVANCE,
he too, of whom these things are said, will be manifest."
TREATISE ON CHRIST AND ANTICHRIST, 60, 61, 64
"Now concerning the tribulation of the
persecution WHICH IS to fall upon the Church from the adversary,
John also speaks thus, "And I saw a great and wondrous sign in
heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, ... And to the woman were
given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the
wilderness, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a
time, from the face of the serpent." That refers to the one thousand
two hundred and threescore days (the half of the week) during which
the tyrant is to reign and persecute the Church.... These things
then, being come to pass, beloved, and the one week being divided
into two parts, and the abomination of desolation being manifested
then, and the two prophets and forerunners of the Lord having
finished their course, and the whole world finally approaching the
consummation, what remains but the coming of our Lord and Saviour
Jesus Christ from heaven, for whom we have looked in hope."
FRAGMENTS FROM COMMENTARIES, II, 7
"WHEN THE TIMES ARE FULFILLED, and the ten horns
spring from the beast in the last (times), then Antichrist WILL
APPEAR among them. WHEN HE MAKES war against the saints, and
persecutes them, THEN MAY WE EXPECT the manifestation of the Lord
I have made some inquiries about Full and Partial
Preterism, but it seems to me that Full Preterism plays into the hands of
the Dominionism agenda. IF all things were fulfilled, then all that would be
left, it seems to me, would be to establish the kingdom on earth since we
supposedly already have our inheritance. If I come to a more sure conclusion
about this, I will write more later on this belief system.
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Date: 28 Sep 2006
I think this guy needs to quit worrying about what other men say and focus
on the Scriptures. Heck, if the people who Paul was teaching directly had
problems understanding the Resurrection and like doctrines, I don't doubt
that after a mere 5 or 10 years after AD70, men were already loosing a firm
understanding of correct doctrine. Especially if they never had a correct
understanding of the Resurrection. I mean the fact that Paul had to deal
with it so much, tells me that the vast majority of people even during
Paul's day never really understood things correctly. Now take Paul and the
other Apostles away, and you will have a very fast decline in understanding.
And everyone knows that once something (physical bodily resurrection) gets
ingrained into the "main stream", it's like a snowball rolling down hill.
But that is the beauty of the God giving us Paul's and the other Apostles
writings. We have the truth documented for us.
Date: 02 Oct 2006
I guess I'm sort of Partial preterist, but I agree of a bodily ressurection,
which has not occured, but will occur when Satan is finally defeated. Where
I difer is the first Anti-Christ already came in John's day. His power was
through the early Roman Empire, and yes, during the 70 AD destruction of
Jerusalam, on through to about 323 AD when Rome was was overtaken by
Christianity. However, John spoke of Satan being bound and powerless, and
that's what I believe happened for some period of time. I believe we are
living in the days of satan being "unbound" and is gathering is final army
to attack the Church, otherwise thought to be the "camp", the city God
loves. It's my personal convinction this is Islam. I believe its possible
that Satan will reveal himself under Islam and war against the Lamb. But as
the scripture says, "Fire comes down and devours him". That's when Christ
returns and thus ushers in the general ressurection. All Kingdoms are thus
under the control of Christ.
Date: 24 Oct 2006
The Second Coming of Christ was completely fulfilled at 70 A.D. with the
destruction of Jerusalem. There are things yet to be fulfilled such as the
salvation of all elect Gentiles and Jews and the full removal of the curse.
Even the sayings of the Early Church Fathers must be interpreted in the
light of Scripture. All things must be tested! After all, there were things
which even the early Church Fathers practiced and believed that wouldn't be
accepted by those who quote them quite excessively.
What is the Rapture? Simply put, before 70 A.D. the dead saints were asleep
(i.e. they remained dead). After 70 A.D. their souls were resurrected and
received a new spiritual body that was prepared for them in heaven. The
Apostle Paul says in Corinthians that we have an eternal body reserved for
us in the heavens. After 70 A.D. when a saint died he no longer remained in
a state of "sleep" (death), but immediately his soul changed and received
his glorious spiritual body from heaven.
There is much more to say. I recommend reading the writings of Evangelist
John L. Bray. I have found his writings to be true to Scripture rightly
~Babu G. Ranganathan
Date: 07 Apr 2007
I too have reviewed the work of the ECF to gain understanding on their view
of the Second Advent. Two things convince me that Christ has not yet come.
1.) The new heaven and new earth are still under the curse of Adam. Death,
decay, and suffering still remain. Preterism attempts to overcome this issue
of death by distorting the doctrine of the Gen 3 fall. If death remains in
the new Kingdom then death must be normalized. It is evident that
through-out scripture God has deemed death an enemy to be conquered by
future resurrection and second coming. An example is Jesus reaction to the
death of his friend Lazarus. Jesus came to conquer death, disease and
suffering. I cannot accept that death, disease and suffering were part of
Gods good pre-fall creation. Acceptance of the preterist heresy
invites foundational error in the attributes of God. God is not a God of
death and suffering. This was a result of Adamic sin (Rom 5).
2.) The Church completely missed it. 70 AD came and went and no one noticed.
An honest reading of the ECF is very clear that the early Church was still
looking for a second coming. Pull down the source documents and search for
second coming and see for yourself - http://www.ccel.org/fathers.html.
Date: 22 Apr 2007
Here are several quotes from Clememt of Bishop of Rome 88-98. Many believe
this is the same Clement referenced by Paul in Phil 4:3.
1Clem 23:5 Of a truth quickly and suddenly shall His will be accomplished,
the scripture also bearing witness to it, saying He shall come quickly and
shall not tarry; and the Lord shall come suddenly into His temple, even the
Holy One, whom ye expect.
1Clem 34:8 For He saith, Eye hath not seen and ear hath not heard, and it
hath not entered into the heart of man what great things He hath prepared
for them that patiently await Him.
1Clem 35:4 Let us therefore contend, that we may be found in the number of
those that patiently await Him, to the end that we may be partakers of His
1Clem 59:2 but we shall be guiltless of this sin. And we will ask, with
instancy of prayer and supplication, that the Creator of the universe may
guard intact unto the end the number that hath been numbered of His elect
throughout the whole world, through His beloved Son Jesus Christ, through
whom He called us from darkness to light, from ignorance to the full
knowledge of the glory of His Name.
2Clem 12:1 Let us therefore await the kingdom of God betimes in love and
righteousness, since we know not the day of Gods appearing.
ate: 22 Dec 2007
There is definitely much controversy concerning the rapture of the church.
To all those who believe the church will go through the great tribulation.
There are absolutely some facts that you must prove wrong. We will give you
the scriptures that you must totally disprove in order to justify your
teaching of a Post Trib.
Before we go any further, many Post Tribs use the 24th chapter of Matthew to
justify their belief in the Post Trib. May I say that it's a fact that God's
Word is precept upon precept and line upon line. HERE A LITTLE AND THERE A
LITTLE" (Isaiah 28:10. Therefore we must search the scriptures and rightly
divide the Word. The statements about Margaret MacDonald, John Darby, and
others being the ones that spearheaded the Pre-Trib doctrine is actually a
smoke screen or a justification to disprove the Pre Trib.
Below are a few scriptures that the Post Trib must disprove in order to
validate there belief in a Post Trib.
1`.And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead even
Jesus, which delivered us FROM the wrath to come. (1Thessalonians 1:10).
If God has delivered us FROM (not through or in) the WRATH(Tribulation) to
come.How can the church go through the great tribulation?
2.Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee FROM
the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them
that dwell upon the earth.(Revelation 3:10)
Again we are told that we will be kept FROM (not through or in)the hour of
temptation (great tribulation).If we are kept FROM the hour of
temptation(great tribulation)how are we going to go through it.
3.And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats
I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment,; and they
had on their heads crowns of gold.(Revelation 4:4).
If there are elders in heaven with crowns of gold upon their heads even
before the tribulation takes place.How can you justify your statements that
the church will go through the great tribulation.Who are these 24 elders if
they don't represent the church? The great tribulation has not even started
before the 4th chapter of Revelation.Yet we see 24 elders with crowns of
gold upon their heads.
Some say the great tribulation will purify the saints of God. The Word
says,"Seeing ye have PURIFIED your souls in obeying the truth.....(1Peter
also the Word says, "And every man that hath this hope in him PURIFIETH
himself, even as he is pure"(1John 3:3). If we are already purified through
obeying the truth, what is the purpose of the great tribulation. God never
does anything without a purpose.
4.Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
ESCAPE ALL these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son
of man"(Luke 21:36).
When the Bible says ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE ALL, can that be
any clearer that God's people will be delivered from ALL these things that
shall come upon earth.
We must base our belief upon scripture agreeing with scripture. If we chose
one or two scriptures to prove a point but the other scriptures are ignored
or twisted to fit our belief we will continue in error.
I have even notice the anger some Post Tribs possesse if someone don't
accept their theory. This is definitely not the Spirit of Christ.The truth
of the matter we will all eventually find out whether the Lord is coming Pre
Trib, Mid Trib or Post Trib. Until that time I will continue to hold to the
facts that I have stated in this post.
The Post Trib Believers must totally ignore or twist these scriptures in
order to justify your belief.
Date: 24 Mar 2010
try reading N.T. Wrights book, "the resurrection of the son of God". The
apostles and early church all believed and taught a material resurrection,
they knew nothing of the docetic ghost rising resurrection.