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Influential Christian Leaders Speak Against Israel's Biblical Significance and Her Land

By Bill Koenig
4/7/2004


Leaders of replacement theology churches, ministries and preterists/amillennialist do not acknowledge the biblical and prophetic significance of what is unfolding in Israel and the world today.

Below are examples from a commentary and sermons from Chuck Colson, Dr. Joseph (Skip) Ryan and Dr. John Piper on Israel, Jews and the covenant land.

These men are very influential and are major voices throughout America. Colson has an excellent relationship with President Bush and his top staff. His Prison Fellowship Ministries will be a financial benefactor of the president's faith-based initiative program. Skip Ryan of Dallas is the minister of one of President Bush's closest friends whom we have spoken to about Israel for two years. John Piper is a Minneapolis pastor with a national radio ministry and a new best selling book "The Passion of Jesus Christ."

"Eye to Eye" is a tool that is being used to show specific examples of the seriousness and consequences of endangering the "apple of God's eye" and dividing His land. We encourage you to get "Eye to Eye," read the book, and then give it to another person to read. Pray that the Spirit of God will open their "eyes and ears" to what God is saying about His special relationship with Israel.

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Chuck Colson - Prison Fellowship Ministries

Covenant and Conflict - Israel's Place in the World Today - February 18, 2003 -

Breakpoint Commentary - No. 030218

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Excerpt from Colson's Breakpoint commentary:

As a Christian and believer in the Abrahamic covenant, I'm a strong supporter of Israel and the Jewish people. I take Genesis 12:3 literally. I also believe that Jesus will return and rule the earth for one thousand years from Jerusalem -- a pre-millennial perspective on the second coming. I believe that God has a special plan for the Jewish people and the land of Israel.

But I think it is problematic to relate prophecy to current events unfolding in the nation-state of Israel. There may be some relationship, of course. Only God knows. But the secular state of Israel created in 1948 is not, in my understanding, identical with the Jewish people as God's chosen and called-out covenant people.

God clearly has a distinct plan for the Jewish people that the secular state of Israel helps carry out. I don't rule that out, of course. And I strongly support Israel because it is a haven for persecuted Jews -- not because I think it fulfills biblical prophecy.

I also support a Palestinian state both from historical and prudential considerations. Given the state of affairs in the Middle East, a Palestinian state is the only practicable solution for peace.

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Dr. Joseph F. (Skip) Ryan - Senior Minister, Park Cities Presbyterian Church - Dallas, TX

Certain Promises in Uncertain Times - References: Joshua 21:43-45 - March 23, 2003

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Excerpt from Ryan's sermon:

And here I must say that run against the grain of what we have been taught. Geo-political Israel today is not to be understood as God's promise of Abraham and Joshua. IT IS NOT!

If you say that the existence of geo-political Israel today fulfills the promise of God that His people will have a land, it raises a question: "How come God's promises fall short, because they are not occupying the land that God promised? And, "Who are His people?"

It is fair to say, the world owes them a homeland. But, and this is important, there is no biblical right that geopolitical Israel has today to that particular peace of geography in the Middle East.

The world should give Jews a homeland, and I am half Jewish; I don't mean to speak against the Jews or Israel. Look at how the world has mistreated them.

But do they have a biblical right to that particular peace of geography? It is not in the Bible.

For Israel is not a nation state any more; Israel is the church. Israel is people of God, Jew and gentile from every nation and every tribe, and every tongue who confesses faith in the Lord Jesus Christ-the new people of God. Ancient Israel is a preview of what God intends for the new Israel.

Parallel: Should we Christians have any concern that a new temple will be built in Jerusalem? ABSOLUTELY NOT! And in fact if such a building were ever built it would be an abomination.

Do you really think there ought to be a place where animals are sacrificed again? Do you really think there should be a place where the old ceremonial laws of the Old Testament are once again reenacted? That is what some people mean when they say, "Rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem." If they say that, I should not be standing before a pulpit preaching to you the word of God . . . I should be standing before an altar with an animal and a knife, and you should hear the scream of the animal, and you should smell the blood.

Because if you don't understand that Jesus Christ has fulfilled all the promises the Temple meant, all the promises Jesus Christ meant, all the promises that the land meant, all the promises that Israel meant, then we have nothing.

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Dr. John Piper - Senior Pastor, Bethlehem Baptist - Minneapolis, Minnesota
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Israel, Palestine, and the Middle East - Romans 11:25-32 - March 7, 2004

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Excerpt from Piper's sermon:

Today I would like to address the issue of Israel's relation to the "Promised Land" in the Middle East. This is not primarily an expository message from Romans 11, but an effort to draw out implications of Romans 11 and the rest of Scripture for a very vexing problem in the world today. The existence of Israel in the Middle East and the extent of her borders and her sovereignty are perhaps the most explosive factors in world terrorism and the most volatile factors in Arab-Western relations.

The Arab roots and the Jewish roots in this land go back for thousands of years. Both lay claim to the land not merely because of historical presence, but also because of divine right. I won't try to lay out a detailed peace plan. But I will try to lay out some biblical truths that could guide all of us in thinking about peace and justice in that part of the world. What we think about this, and what we say, does matter, since politicians are influenced by their constituents in these religiously super-charged situations. And we need to know how to pray. And we need to know how to talk to others in a way that honors the truth. So for all those reasons, and for the reason that God is very much involved in this situation, we should talk about it in the context of Romans 11.

What we've seen in Romans 11 is that Israel as a whole-that is, as an ethnic, corporate people enduring from generation to generation-has a root in the covenant promises made to Abraham and his descendants. Verse 16b: "If the root is holy so are the branches." We interpreted that picture in the light of verse 28: "As regards the gospel, they [Israel] are enemies of God for your [Gentile] sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers." The "forefathers" here correspond to the root in verse 16. So the promises to the forefathers imply that some day the whole tree, with all its branches, will be saved.

Some day. Because verse 28 says, for now "they are enemies." Verse 28a: "As regards the gospel, they [Israel] are enemies of God for your sake." In other words, they are rejecting their Messiah and thus putting themselves against God. This is what Jesus said to Israel in John 8:42: "If God were your father you would love me." Jesus is the litmus test whether anybody's religion is worship of the true God. But Israel does not love Jesus as God's son and her Messiah. So they are, for now, "enemies of God."

So now we ask, is the so-called "Promised Land" part of the inheritance and salvation that "all Israel" (v. 26) will receive? And if so, what does that say about the rights of Israel today to the Land?

The promises made to Abraham, including the promise of the Land, will be inherited as an everlasting gift only by true, spiritual Israel, not disobedient, unbelieving Israel.

Being born Jewish does not make one an heir of the promise-neither the promise of the Land nor any other promise.

Throughout the history of Israel, covenant breaking and disobedience and idolatry disqualified Israel from the present divine right to the Land. (See also Daniel 9:4-7; Psalm 78:54-61.)

Be careful not to infer from this that Gentile nations (like Arabs) have the right to molest Israel. God's judgments on Israel do not sanction human sin against Israel. Israel still has human rights among nations even when she forfeits her present divine right to the Land. Remember that nations which gloated over her divine discipline were punished by God (Isaiah 10:5-13; Joel 3:2).

So the promise to Abraham that his descendants will inherit the Land does not mean that all Jews inherit that promise. It will come finally to the true Israel, the Israel that keeps covenant and obeys her God.

Jesus Christ has come into the world as the Jewish Messiah, and his own people rejected him and broke covenant with their God.

But even though Jesus was the Messiah and did many mighty works and taught with great authority and fulfilled Old Testament promises, nevertheless the people of Israel as a whole rejected him. This was the most serious covenant-breaking disobedience that Israel had ever committed in all her history.

Israel has broken covenant with her God and is living today in disobedience and unbelief in his Son and her Messiah. That is why Paul says in Romans 11:28, "As regards the gospel [the good news of the Messiah] they are enemies of God."

Therefore, the secular state of Israel today may not claim a present divine right to the Land, but they and we should seek a peaceful settlement not based on present divine rights, but on international principles of justice, mercy, and practical feasibility.

My aim is to put the debate on a balanced footing in this sense: neither side should preempt the claims of international justice by the claim of present divine rights. Working out what that justice will look like is still a huge and daunting task. I have not solved that problem. But I think we will make better progress if we do not yield to the claim of either side to be ethnically or nationally sanctioned by God in their present conflict.

By faith in Jesus Christ, the Jewish Messiah, Gentiles become heirs of the promise of Abraham, including the promise of the Land.

Therefore Jewish believers in Jesus and Gentile believers will inherit the Land. And the easiest way to see this is to see that we will inherit the world which includes the Land. Jewish Christians and Gentile Christians will not quibble over the real estate of the Promised Land because the entire new heavens and the new earth will be ours. 1 Corinthians 3:21-23, "All things are yours, 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future-all are yours, 23 and you are Christ's, and Christ is God's." All followers of Christ, and only followers of Christ, will inherit the earth, including the Land.

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Date:
12 Apr 2004
Time:
14:14:07

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First, I say forget the land of Israel. As far as the Bible is concerned, it has been up for grabs ever since the end of the war in A.D.70. Is there an Israel today? Only in the minds of the misled, and on the books of that epitome of secularism, the United Nations. As far as the Bible is concerned, 1948 had no prophetic significance at all; it was a year just like any other year. Jesus told the Jews, "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate." (Matthew 23:38), and He wasn't speaking only of the Temple, or the city; He was speaking of the entire nation. How long was this desolation to last? Daniel prophesied that it would continue until the consummation. "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." (Dan. 9:27) It would not make sense to say that it would last until the end of the war, or the end of Israel, or whatever; rather Daniel was referring to the consummation of all things, the end of the world. Need we explain that the "He" who confirmed the covenant was the Lord Jesus Christ, who came to confirm His Father's covenant with Israel, and to deliver the kingdom and all the associated promises to His people. (If only they had not rejected all of it!) We know that this was not the Antichrist, as is thought by many, because "for the overspreading of abominations He would make it desolate," "it" being Israel. "For" means "for the purpose of" or "because of." Any antichrist is at the head of the class of abominations, so try to imagine him having a sudden atack of righteous indignation, and making Israel desolate for HER abominations. It was Christ who confirmed the covenant with many, and judged the unbelieving part of Israel in the war of A.D.70. The people calling themselves "Jews," who worhip the Father and reject His Son, who so tenaciously hold on to their "roots," after the time of Christ, envite much of the persecution they receive from the lower elements of the world. GALATIANS 3:10 "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them." GALATIANS 3:13 "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree:" We Christians are to blame for much of the tribulation which the Jews have endured for the last 2000 years, because we ourselves are ignorant of much of what the Bible says. The disciples themselves thought that God has a future for Israel. Acts1: 6 "When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?" 7 "And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power." 8 "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth." Many think that He was withholding from them the time when the kingdom would be restored to Israel. But "times and seasons" have little to do with chronology. Jesus, instead, told His disciples not to be concerned about Israel at all, they were now subjects of a new and different kingdom - a world-wide kingdom. His disciples were Jews, by the way. Or should we say ex-Jews? Romans 11:32 reveals that God took away the Jew's privileged status as natural born members of the Family of God, and converted them all back into Gentiles. Rom. 11: 31 "Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy." 32 "For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all." The first "all" were Jews, as the context clearly shows. The second "all" were Jews and Gentiles. "Unbelief" is not "disobedience," but the state of unbelief, which spawns disobedience. So "Jews' are now Gentiles, and have been since the end of A.D.70. They should be treated by Christians as fellow Gentiles. Witness to them, pray for them, but otherwise leave them alone. If they prefer to remain "Jewish," that is up to them. Just don't encourage it through ignorance. C. P. Machovsky


Date: 23 Oct 2005
Time: 07:01:06

Comments0:

At one point in time, God put no difference between Jew and Gentile.
Romans 11 does not promise anything to Jews. What it did promise was salvation to all Jews who, after being made "non-Jews" (verse 32), returned to the heavenly Father through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Those who steadfastly refused to return to God to the end were destroyed in the holocaust of AD70.

So, the believing "Jews" became Christians, and the unbelieving Jews perished. Did any unbelieving Jews "slip through the cracks," surviving those days to continue the Jewish race to this day? Not at all. As verse 32 says, God concluded all Israel in unbelief (He decided that all would be unbelievers, just like the Gentiles). But the Gospel was preached to all Jews at a feverish pace until the end. So all disowned Jews had the opportunity to receive Jesus, and return to the family of God. That is how Paul could say that God did not cast away His people.
Israel lost all devine right to her land in the judgment of AD70. Today, they are Gentiles, and have no greater right to the land than any other Gentile. After all the tumoil of the first century, I believe that the land belongs to whomever "got there first." After that, if anyone wants any piece of it, he should have to pay the asking price isn secular coinage, like anyone else.

Romans 11:32 is a gossly misunderstood - and neglected verse of Scripture - but there is much more to it than meets the casual eye.

C. P. Machovsky

mac@tribulationhoax.com
 


Date: 14 Sep 2009
Time: 10:17:20

Your Comments:

The following is a quote from Machovsky. "I believe that the land belongs to whomever "got there first." After that, if anyone wants any piece of it, he should have to pay the asking price isn secular coinage, like anyone else."

So then, the land of the United States does not belong to the immigrants, it belongs to the native Indians. The land was conquered, not paid for.
Howard Boldt
 


Date: 24 May 2010
Time: 10:25:01

Your Comments:

Mr. Boldt writes:
The following is a quote from Machovsky. "I believe that the land belongs to whomever "got there first." After that, if anyone wants any piece of it, he should have to pay the asking price isn secular coinage, like anyone else."

So then, the land of the United States does not belong to the immigrants, it belongs to the native Indians. The land was conquered, not paid for.
Howard Boldt

To which I reply:
By that logic, the Promised Land belongs to the "natives" of Canaan. the Canaanites, because the Hebrews conquered that land from them. By the way, at least Manhatten Island was bought from the Indians for 24 dollars.

C.P. Machovsky


 


 

 

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