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On Earth As It Is In Heaven

By GunterCreek Prophetic Ministry
March 17, 2004

"I still pray “thy Kingdom come."

Subject: GunterCreek [On earth as it is in Heaven]
Name: GunterCreek Prophetic Ministry
Date Posted: Mar 17, 04 - 11:03 PM
Email: Guntercrik@hotmail.com
Message: On earth as it is in Heaven

This message is to bring out the scriptures to defend the word of God! “ and Gods chosen people, The Jews, and the Gentiles who are grafted in to the same Tree. This is the promise made to the disciples, when Peter asks Jesus, what shall become of us Lord?

M't:19:28: And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, that ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (The earth will be divided into twelve sections during the millennial reign of Christ on earth. 29: And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

This is so literal, I fail to see how any person could deny Israel in anyway, Its never happened as some Churches teach, and replacement theology teaches, which are latter day Doctrines of Devils, 1 Tim 4:1.

We are living in the days when God said, I will send strong delusion, God said that,And I quote it, The Delusion goes on until after the Rapture, It will increase from the time of sorrows which started sometime ago and increase in intensity until after the Church is gone, The Bride and the Church will be in the New Jerusalem, which will set above the earth and rotate the earth for eternity, and God will be the light. This all come from the Covenant promise that God gave to a Abraham,

Ge:22:17: That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven (The Church), and as the sand (Israel) which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;  18: And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice we as Joint heirs with Jesus Christ inherit the Universe and serve the Lord, remember His words,
that ye Love one another as I have loved you.

We have false doctrines which they say, God did away with Israel, some called Preterist and replacement theology, this is not true, Romans 11 is still in your Bible, and the prophecies were not fulfilled in 70 A.D. I don’t ever recall the apostles judging the twelve tribes, as in Mathew 29:18 and I still pray “thy Kingdom come."

I will see you at the marriage supper of the Lamb,

God Bless all

GunterCreek

Wednesday, March 17, 2004
 

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Date:
11 Feb 2004
Time:
20:46:04

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It continues to amaze me that all of these futurists without exception, deny the clear time statements given by the prophets, Jesus, and the disciples.

These verses are numerous and plain. They will never deal with the time statements! They will always shift the argument to the nature (unclear) of things without even considering the time (clear). It is truly sad to see such lack of critical thinking and poor hermeneutics. Words like soon, quickly, shortly, at hand, about to be, this generation, will not tarry, at the door now, last hour, these last days etc. etc. can never mean what they say. PLEASE!!! --Batman


Date:
11 Feb 2004
Time:
22:12:31

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When I now read such defenses of the futuristic views I cringe. I can no longer refrain from asking the following questions.

1. Can this person, or the people of such persuasion, see Jesus? He told his disciples that the world would not be able to see Him, but that they would. The wicked have not seen God neither have they known Him. Scary!

2. Can these writers, or these people, see Christ's kingdom? Taking what Jesus said at face value assures us that our seeing the kingdom in the now is up to our choice, - it is our own personal responsibility, and is something that every Christiian must do. If they do not - they cannot enter it. St. John

3. This is something that sould make all who claim to be a preterist really be filled with concern. We must do some soul searching and repenting and be about praying for our friends and relatives who say that Jesus is not here. For it would appear that in their doing this they are denying his 2nd coming and are, in some sense, denying Christ.

 God help us all. Vern www.peacekey.com


Date:
12 Feb 2004
Time:
06:48:54

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"By no stretch of sound biblical exegesis can the concept 'new heavens and earth' in Scripture refer to anything less than an entirely new creation."

I find it interesting, and a little disturbing, that the author cites the description of the new creation in Isaiah 65 and Isaiah 11:6-9 in defense of his position, but completely ignores Isaiah 11:1-5, 10-16. I suppose, since verses 1-5 set a context that is clearly a reference to Christ's earthly life and since Paul quotes verse 10 as being fulfilled during his life (Rom 15:12), citing the rest of the chapter would kind of destroy the author's argument. Better, I guess, to practice "sound biblical exegesis" and ignore half a chapter that doesn't fit into your position.


Date:
12 Feb 2004
Time:
08:00:55

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In Peter's day the scoffers were saying, "where is this coming he promised?" We must answer one very important question: Who was right? Peter, Jesus, and the other Apostles or the scoffers? What would those same scoffers be saying today, now 2000 years later and still no coming?

Also, why were they scoffing if indeed Jesus never promised a soon return? The credibility of the scriptures is at stake here. This well intentioned brother is, IMHO, chipping away at the infallibility of scripture. David


Date:
12 Feb 2004
Time:
12:29:07

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I am surprised that the author quotes John Owen approvingly in his comments on Hebrews. Has he read Owen's exposition of 2 Peter 3 (John Owen, "Providential Changes, An Argument for Universal Holiness," in William H. Goold, ed., The Works of John Owen, 16 vols. [London: The Banner of Truth Trust, 1965-68], 9:134)?

Owen writes: "On this foundation I affirm that the heavens and earth here intended in this prophecy of Peter, the coming of the Lord, the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men, mentioned in the destruction of that heaven and earth, do all of them relate, not to the last and final judgment of the world, but to that utter desolation and destruction that was to be made of the Judaical church and state"--i.e., the Fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. "

Then there is the problem of Isaiah 65:20 where it states: "For the youth will die at the age of one undred nd the one who does not reach the age of one hundred shall be thought accursed." Death in the "new heavens and the new eaerth" (65:17)? How does the author get around this?

"In light of the above texts, v.20 cannot mean there is sin and death in the new heavens and new earth." He claims that 65:20 is "poetic." It may be. But isn't this the very thing he charges preterists with in their interpretation of "new heavens and new earth"? Mitchell Dick has a lot of work to do. He should start by reading John Owen's article. Gary DeMar


Date:
12 Feb 2004
Time:
21:49:23

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The writer argues that the expression "for the child shall die an hundred years old_" is to be understood, that Isiaiah had switched from literal into poetic mode, that "SHALL DIE an hundred years" describes THE FACT (????) that there will be NO DEATH for the child! The rationale given is that it is impossible for a child to die when an hundred years old for then the child would no longer be a child! Is this "biblical hermeneutic"? If one applies the same argument, it will make a mockery of many biblical prophecies, like Luke 1:76, "And thou, CHILD, … SHALL GO before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways", as interpreted by Zacharias. As such, John the Baptist could not had fulfilled the prophecy as by the time he appeared in the wilderness, he was no longer a kid! ==== Will there be animals in the new cosmic creation - in the New heavens and New Earth - "The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock"? If there will be no death, then these animals do not die. Or it is to be interpreted as "poetic" too? And if it is to be "poetic", then why is only the "New Heavens and New Earth" interpreted literally? ==== MS Cheo.


Date:
13 Feb 2004
Time:
09:40:10

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James Jordan (partial preterist) demonstrates in his book "Through New Eyes" that the new heavens/new earth theme runs throughout the old testament, and indicates a renewal/expansion of the covenant, not the end of the world. Good book.


Date:
14 Feb 2004
Time:
08:29:24

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before reading the article below I suggest you listen to the audio link. It is from a website totally unrelated to the article below. Remember also the name Rothschild and Scofield.  One Worlders Promote Televangelists, ‘Last Days,’ Rapture to Lay Foundation for Global Government Powerful globalist forces are promoting high-powered television evangelists and religious publishers who teach “end times” and “last days” religious dispensationalism talking of an ultimate “rapture” in order to help lay the groundwork for one world government. That “controversial” proposition was put forth during a lively interview on Nov. 18 between Radio Free America host Tom Valentine and his guest, John Anderson, producer of the thought-provoking new video, The Last Days. Anderson contends that true Christian fundamentalism, based on the teachings of the Bible, has absolutely nothing to do with the “end times” and “last days” theory (first enunciated in the late 18th century and popularized in the 19th century by Darby and Scofield). Instead, true Christian fundamentalism takes the Bible at its word and accepts that Christ accomplished all that he intended to do while on Earth and that His kingdom is here and is now. What follows is an edited transcript of the interview. Comments by Valentine are in boldface. Anderson’s responses are in regular text. A host of television evangelists preach that “we are living in the last days,” that we are “facing Armageddon” and “the end times are upon us,” that the modern-day political and geographic state of Israel is “the handiwork of God.” In the Nov. issue of Insight magazine, which is published by Korean cult leader Sun Myung Moon [the owner of The Washington Times], writer Don Feder criticizes President George W. Bush for pressuring Israel, saying the fate of America and “the seed of Abraham” are intertwined, that the United States has to treat Israel as the “handiwork of God” or else America will go down the tubes. When I first became a Christian and began reading the Bible on my own and not listening to others’ interpretations, I realized there is no such thing as “Israel.” “Israel” was wiped out in 70 A.D. and God had a hand in it. Your excellent videotape, The Last Days, explains precisely that. We are on a campaign to get people back into the Bible. We get so much of our theology today from movies and television. We have best-selling icons out there, such as The Late Great Planet Earth, by Hal Lindsay, the number one selling book for a long time. Now Tim LaHaye’s Left Behind series has sold over 40 million copies, and is a feature-length film. We are getting our Biblical information from these types of people. As a result, we are getting a fictional account which they are portraying as being Biblical. Today you have more evangelical “end time” Christians in office than any other obvious “religion” in the world. So when people talk about God saying, “I will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel,” this rings down the corridors of Congress. Political decisions are being made based on this faulty interpretation of the Bible that only came into popular teaching in the mid-1800s. The bottom line fundamental Biblical truth—contrary to the so-called “fundamentalism” taught by the modern-day false prophets who teach that we are in the “end times”—is that Christ did everything he said he was going to do and as he said he was going to do it. Anything other than that is absolute heresy. So how could Cyrus Ingerson Scofield come along in the 19th century and footnote the Bible and claim the Bible says what it doesn’t say? Let’s look at human nature. People say, “Why polish the brass on a sinking ship? We’re going to be raptured anyway.” What’s easier to sell: responsibility and doing what Jesus Christ commanded you to do to make a difference, or to sit back and say, “Hey, we’re in the last days and getting ready to be raptured. Why worry about what’s happening in our world today?” Which is easier to sell? The escapist mentality, obviously. If you want to bring about a one-world government and you have this huge Christian force out there, you must get them to believe that prophecy has not been fulfilled yet and that a one-world government by the Anti-Christ must come before Jesus Christ will return and destroy all of this. All of the land promises to Israel were conditional—and fulfilled. Scofield’s Reference Bible was first published by the Oxford Press controlled by the Rothschild family of Britain who have been major forces promoting a New World Order. A book, The Amazing Scofield, written by Joseph Can field deals with Scofield. I am going to produce a video on Mr. Scofield and give the history of this “dispensationalism” and how it first came into popular teaching. Canfield shows that Scofield, and, earlier, his mentor, John Darby of the so-called Plymouth Brethren, brought this in. Morgan Edwards taught this philosophy here in the United States in 1799, the first documentation of such a message being given here. Where did they get their information from? A Jesuit priest. If we are going to have a one-world government, Christians are going to have to believe that prophecy has not been fulfilled. So dispensationalism was brought forth into the Dallas Theological Seminary and the rest is history. Yet, modern-day “end times” teachers attempt to link the land promises to the physical nation that is called “Israel.” That is the key political point being made by the people who have put forward this one-world scam (in the name of “Christianity” via the fraud of dispensationalism). They can’t have their global government if people believe that Christ has come and fulfilled the Old Testament and is there for every single person and that we should all be out there being better stewards of His planet and His kingdom on Earth and the gifts he has given us. Anyone who has actually bothered to read the Bible, realizes that the Bible only speaks of one “last days.” There are not multiple last days. There is only one. We find if we go back to Genesis 49:1, it says: “When Isaac called his 12 sons together” (which made up what was known as Biblical Israel in the natural sense), he said, “Come and let me tell you what shall befall you in the last days.” We find this theme all through the Old Testament. The last days were simply the last days of the old Jewish Covenant. As the writer of Hebrews 8:13 points out: “That which is waxing old and which is ready to banish away.” This appears time and time again. Hebrews 1:1-2 says that God, at sundry times and in diverse manners, spoke in times past to the fathers by the prophets, but has “in these last days,” spoken to us by His son, Jesus Christ. These two points were made: the writer of He brews said that he (the writer) was living in the last days and that Jesus Christ’s earthly ministry was in the last days. We have 1st Peter 4:7 saying “the end of all things is at hand.” We find James talking to the rich, saying, “you have heaped together for yourselves treasure for the last days,” and the apostle, John, says in 2:18 that “it is the last hour.” So we have a choice. If we say that we believe the Bible, that is holy and inspired in both the Greek and in the new language, then we can either believe them or not. As Jesus said to his apostles, He would lead them into all truth. Luke 21, beginning with verse 8, quotes Jesus as saying: “Many will come in my name saying ‘I am Christ,’ and that the end has drawn near. Believe them not.” He then lists about a dozen things that they would see and know and be qualified to say when the end had drawn near. That meant that anyone before them was a false prophet, saying that the end had drawn near, or anyone after them saying that the end had drawn near. Those to whom Christ spoke were the only ones empowered by Christ, God Almighty and the Holy Spirit to say when the last days actually were. The Old Testament was there to establish the New Testament. After I read the Old Testament, I read the New Testament several times, because I realized that the Old Testament had been fulfilled. “Fulfilled” means that it was over with: everything that God had promised Israel was given to them. It was a conditional promise and they didn’t keep all of it and they ended up paying a stiff price. That was the horrid destruction of Jerusalem in the three and a half years leading up to 70 A.D. When that temple was destroyed by Titus, the Roman, who said himself that God had a hand in its destruction it tore that whole structure of the original covenant people to oblivion. Even the Jewish leaders were killing their own people, according to Jewish historian Josephus. Your videotape makes this clearer than anything I’ve ever seen. There was no more. There was no more Zion. There was no more Israel. There was no more Judaism. Christ was now on the throne. Christi anity was the thing. The old order was gone. Yet today, we have the Zionists trying to rebuild the temple in Israel and a whole bunch of people calling themselves “Christians” who say that the rebuilding of this temple has to take place for God’s plan to work out. My simple mind says: “Hey, wait a minute. Christ doesn’t have to do anything. He has already done it. What’s with you guys? This is a bunch of hokum.” I felt very alone when I came to this realization and stopped talking to people about it because many Christians were outraged that I had concluded this. However, I met the late Grace Halsell and others who understand the truth out there. It dawned on me that this “Christian Ecumenism” which is teaching the various Christian churches that we are living in “the end times” is a scam—a deliberate scam to worm the Pharisee plan for a world government into the minds of Christians who will be dominated by these Pharisees. We are committing what I call “the Jewish error” all over again. When Christ came, the Jews were looking for the Messiah to be the one who would break the Roman yoke off them and that he would set up a physical, literal kingdom on this Earth. That was not His intention, contrary to what some of the modern day “prophets” would say. When He attempted to try to explain it while feeding the 5,000 who came to Him and they tried to make Christ king, He slipped away to the hills, saying, “My kingdom is not of this world. The kingdom of Heaven comes without observation. The kingdom of Heaven is within.” So the kingdom he brought and offered them is the one that they rejected because the physical, literal kingdom that they wanted, Christ never intended to establish. Today many people want a physical, literal Jesus and a physical literal temple and a physical literal kingdom that they can point to and say: “There they are.” Yet, today, we have the most magnificent kingdom that anyone who is a Christian and knows it in his heart can see. The kingdom is there for those who have Christ in their heart. He is on the throne and is there for every individual in the world who chooses to reach to Him. No king, no power on Earth, can take that away. It is already established. Yet, some people don’t think that is enough. First Samuel, Chapter 8, points out that when they came to Samuel and asked for a king, he told them that they didn’t need one. Samuel took it to God and God said, “Samuel, they have not rejected you but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.” Today people are doing the same thing. People want to believe this 18th century theory that God is going to come down from Heaven and pave the streets of the literal city of Jerusalem with gold and that He will rule there for 1,000 years. Yet, none of this is going to happen, according to Scripture. That is correct. One of the problems is that the dispensationalists totally ignore the time statements that are made in the Bible. New Christians always want to study Revelations, but many of them do not study it carefully to find out what it really says. When you look at Revelation 1:3 it says that “the time is at hand,” and you go all the way to the end, Revelation 22:10, where Jesus says don’t seal up the prophecy of this book, for the prophecy “is at hand.” Those are “bookends,” so to speak, on the entire Revelation, which means that everything had to transpire within the “at hand” scenario. “At hand” simply means it is about to happen. Paul said: “The time of my departure is at hand.” Jesus said, “the time of the passover is at hand.” When we allow the Bible to interpret itself, we have to take a look at the time statement. People constantly use Second Peter to say that the day of the Lord is a thousand years and a thousand years is equal to one day and that God’s time is different from our time. Well, God is outside of time and not a part of time, yet when He communicates to His creation, He does it in a manner that they can understand and that’s vitally important. When we look at the phrase “at hand,” the consequence of that statement, we have to understand, is that Revelation was “at hand.” I knew a television minister driven off the air because he challenged the teachings of “the last days.” You cannot be a bigtime television evangelist unless you go along with these “late great planet earth” teachings. This evangelist told me that Revelation was written prior to 70 A.D. as a warning to the Christians of the day about the tribulations to come. Your video explains this very well. When we look at the book of Revelations, we have to take God’s time statements literally. He says at 1:3 that “the time of Revelation is at hand.” At 22:10 He says that “the time is at hand.” Both the internal evidence of the book itself, and the external evidence, confirms that. The destruction of Jerusalem and the treatment of the early Christians by Roman emperor Nero are things that were such momentous events that if anyone who had written the book of Revelation and not mentioned it, it would make no sense at all. The case is closed. Revelation 17:10 refers to the seven kings and says that five have fallen; one is, and one is yet to come. If you count from Julius Caesar forward and count forward, you get to Nero, so you have number six, who was the one who “is” (at the time) and the one yet to come was Vespacious. For that final 42 months, February of 67 A.D. until September of 70 A.D., that was the tribulation spoken of in the book of Revelation. That is all described in Revelation and in Matthew 24. First John says that the Anti-Christ was present when First John was written. Nero was clearly “anti-Christ.” The Jewish elements that were also “anti-Christ” in their harsh opposition to the teaching that God’s kingdom was already established on earth. Jesus talked about the kingdom of God, not about the physical land of Israel. The reality is the kingdom of God, which was not of this Earth. The new kingdom of God, the new Jerusalem, was a new system that re placed the old system which vanished in 70 A.D. If the Christian world woke up to this truth, you would see the shock waves go around the world. Many good people may ask, “Well, if this is true, why haven’t we heard about it?” I tell them: “I will answer that question if you answer this question: why did it take 1500 years for a man like Martin Luther to come forward saying, ‘the just shall live by faith’ which is what Paul taught in the first century?”


Date:
20 Feb 2004
Time:
10:30:04

Comments

I found this piece to be very amusing. Someone who knows the words exegesis and eisegesis and the difference between them, completly skips over chapter 1 of Is. where the author CLEARLY instructs the READER that as you read this book Rev. Mich , Isreal will "have" or "go by" the name, "heaven and earth". I actually laughed out loud in the office when I read the paragraph on Gen.8. Maybe next time you could add the word "might" to the title of your Article, as in, "Rev.M.D. "might" defend the Orthodox Viewof the Second Coming......." "Might" that is, if we truly know the meaning of "exegesis". And as to the harmony of Paul and Peter I thought I had heard somewhere that it "might" be the Holy Spirit who wrote the WHOLE thing anyway. I "might" be wrong on that though. I suspect we "might" hear from Rev.D again on this "fit it all in the glove" issue again though. Of course it "might" be that Rev.D goes and reads "the PRINCE of the 'Protestant Church'(my twist), John Owen, on 2 Pet.3, and truly comes to grips with "good" exe and eise. At least, stop trying to force the Gospel to fit into the Glove of Orthodoxy, Rev D. Welcome to the Kingdom Rev. D! P.S. Ever read Hebrews 1 ? That Holy Spirit Guy said that ALL sin HAS BEEN purged! Hmmmmm. I wonder what Peter thought though?


Date:
26 Feb 2004
Time:
10:19:51

Comments

There are two senses of the word "new." A "new" heavens and "new" earth could mean, essentially, renewed or "made new," meaning "made like new." Could that be the sense of 2 Pet. 3:13? If so, then it wouldn't be necessary to have in view the complete obliteration of the old and the ex-nihilo creation of something new.


Date:
28 Feb 2004
Time:
20:39:15

Comments

It is time to wake up philosphers, with our "intellectual" arguments and verbage, for Christ wrote to infants and not the world's (biblical) puzzle solvers of high calibre. We must snapout of our pride and admit that we all carry a piece of the kingdom. The devil has trapped us once again, cleverly and in subtle fashion as usual, into bickering with one view verses another, just like the "issue" of free choice and predestination, justification by faith or good works, and on and on: both have elements of truth and error, both are biblically backed by those who choose a side, and those who take one side of a matter such as those above, clearly omit direct biblical truth opposing their "belief." So it is here with the prophecies of Revelation. Generally, here is some truth to consider regarding the matter at hand: The beast of the sea is the world. It tricks you into following its patterns and never building and living in the real world, the hidden world: the kingdom of Heaven, which God has been building since the world began in the midst of all that you see and each true Christian contributes to until it is complete. Despite the fact that John may have clearly warned of Nero, don't get caught up in labeling the heads and horns with men. The simple fact of the coun


Date:
28 Feb 2004
Time:
20:39:25

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It is time to wake up philosphers, with our "intellectual" arguments and verbage, for Christ wrote to infants and not the world's (biblical) puzzle solvers of high calibre. We must snapout of our pride and admit that we all carry a piece of the kingdom. The devil has trapped us once again, cleverly and in subtle fashion as usual, into bickering with one view verses another, just like the "issue" of free choice and predestination, justification by faith or good works, and on and on: both have elements of truth and error, both are biblically backed by those who choose a side, and those who take one side of a matter such as those above, clearly omit direct biblical truth opposing their "belief." So it is here with the prophecies of Revelation. Generally, here is some truth to consider regarding the matter at hand: The beast of the sea is the world. It tricks you into following its patterns and never building and living in the real world, the hidden world: the kingdom of Heaven, which God has been building since the world began in the midst of all that you see and each true Christian contributes to until it is complete. Despite the fact that John may have clearly warned of Nero, don't get caught up in labeling the heads and horns with men. The simple fact of the coun


Date:
01 Mar 2004
Time:
21:47:20

Comments

I support what Rev. Mitchell writes and find your preteristic interpretation of scripture oddly interesting. I do wonder, though, what your views are on the rapture of Christ's church that are without question described in Revelation. How do you explain the disappearance of human beings on Earth? When did this happen in 70 A.D.? I have yet to find this topic discussed on this site to support preterism. Don't you think this is a rather important subject to cover? If you plan to attack another for skipping over parts in the Bible, you should at least refrain from doing this yourself.


Date:
10 Mar 2004
Time:
22:24:37

Comments

Rapture? Where is that word found in the Bible? Did "scholars" invent this? The reason this topic isn't addressed here is that Preterist don't believe in a rapture of this sort. I once believed as you did as well however, if you really try to tie the OT and NT together you will hit some walls. Check out the history of millennial movements that will help. http://www.presence.tv/cms/christianhope_clouse.shtml However, before I am tempted to use long or difficult Theological terms let me give you some things to think about. If the world is to be destroyed why would Jesus tell people to run and hide in that day? What is the purpose of new physical bodies out of graves and why would we need to leave our superior spiritual bodies to then go back to the grave to be raised in physical bodies and called up into the air? Is this really making any sense to you? It only did to me because that is what I was told to believe. You see the wonderful thing about believing that Christ was victorious the first time was that you now have only one thing to worry about. If you love him keep his commandments. The greatest of these is to love thy neighbor. Although I find all types of subject matters about the Bible fascinating, I can't let it keep me from simply getting out there and loving people that don't read these comments. There are really good reasons why all of this is important because it will shape how your approach to the world. However, do not let obsession take you to the point that you hate your neighbor because or their views. I have read many websites where the commandment of LOVE is not being obeyed. So do these people really love God if they do not keep his commandments? You know the Atheist and Agnostics are loving this stuff. Arguments about the Bible and what scripture really meant go all the way back to A.D.70 so it isn't surprising that we are still working on it. We are the early church. Remember it was 1500 years before Martin Luther spoke out. I'm sure you will feel more comfortable with these types of debates once you explore the history of the church in depth. Indeed if you find 2 scholars that agree on everything you are privileged to a rare event. I don't think your comment about Preterist skipping over the Bible is fair. This forum is not to defend Preterism entirely. I can promise you that there are probably several ways to answer your questions on the rapture and the interpretation of Revelation. I must also tell you that the in the last days when darkness covers the earth and the earth shakes and the dead rise, all happened when Christ died. So there is your physical resurrection if you will. This description is only found in one Gospel and I have yet to see it addressed. This is what made me think that the last days where already upon that generation. Preterists spiritualize all of this but my brother it did happen. We should all appreciate the gymnastics of Rev. Mitchell because it is good to see why the futurist views are still held to so tightly. Rev. Mitchell however sees the Preterist as reading into scripture what they want to see. Let he who is not guilty of this cast the first criticism. Try as we might to let the scripture speak for itself we all will still see things differently. To me that is one of the marvelous mysteries of the author of the Bible. I’m okay with this as long as the plan of salvation is understood plainly. I choose the path of the transmillennialst and you know something, if I’m wrong. I think God will understand. After all what happens to all those souls raised Muslim or Hindu? I know what they should believe about Christ, and we should preach the gospel but ultimately it is in God’s hands. After all Christians are not rushing out to learn these religions. Some do but honestly we have enough differences of our own to worry about. Don’t we? If Christ was here now what religion would he be? What Church would he attend? Mine? Yours? Another? What would he think of our legalistic arguments? How did he feel about the law in his time? Keeping the Sabbath? Doctrine and Tradition are important, but possibly their import should lie with each individual as they see it in their heart. What a man thinks in his heart is what he is. So, if we all feel that we are obeying the will of the father with all our hearts where do the religions of the world stand? “Seek and Ye Shall Find”? I’ve just got to believe that there is at least one person in every Christian religion truly and sincerely seeking and yet finding they are satisfied in their religion. Was every Church in Asia the same? Did they all worship the same? Considering their cultural diversity I would think not. So how do we deal with these differences? This is a much harder question than that of any millennial view, is it not? I leave you with the words of Martin Luther when giving advice to a friend struggling with what to believe. “Sin Boldly” You see you are the PASSION of Christ and he really wants you to concentrate on Love. Why? Because “God Is Love” and when you love your neighbor you will see God as you look upon them through His eyes. Incidentally, I am very thankful to the Lord for spell check and apologize for any grammatical or spelling errors. After all I am just a simple lay person, but through Christ I share an equal inheritance as a brother of Jesus and a child of the Living God. Gotta Love It! God Bless all of us on our journeys!


Date:
15 May 2004
Time:
16:20:55

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Great Article, with correct scripture


Date: 12 Dec 2006
Time: 18:43:23

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What does Matt.21:43 mean to you? Does it mean that Christians are now the children of Isreal , purchased with the Blood? Are we not Isreal?

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