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  Futurist Issues Preterist Rapture Challenge
2004

If you believe that the Rapture took place in 70 A.D. at the alleged Second Advent of YAHSHUA, IMMANUEL, YAHWEH of Nazareth the Mashiyach (a.k.a. Jesus Christ) please take this challenge.

What hermeneutical principle do you use to understand Scripture?

How do you determine whether something is symbolic or literal?

How do you know for certain what a symbol means?

Was every prophecy of the First Advent of YAHSHUA fulfilled in a literal manner?

If some of the prophecies of the Second Advent of YAHSHUA are fulfilled in a symbolic manner how do you know which are to be fulfilled symbolically and which are to be fulfilled literally?

Why would ALL of the prophecies of the First Advent be fulfilled literally and only some of the prophecies of the Second Advent be fulfilled literally?

Did the events of Revelation take place in chronological order?

Has anyone documented that those events took place in 70 A.D.?

Did the events of the Olivet Discourse take place in chronological order?

Has anyone documented that those events took place in 70 A.D.?

Is the temple of Revelation 11 being a future temple or the temple that was destroyed in 70 A.D.?

Were all nations of the world gathered against Jerusalem in 70 A.D. (Zech 14.2) or just the Romans?

Did nation rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom in 70 A.D. (Leviy 24.7)?

What was the abomination that makes desolate (Leviy 24.15)?

Was 70 A.D. truly a time of tribulation greater than any other time (Mk. 13.19), even World Wars I and II? Be honest now! Ask an historian what they think.

Were half of the residents of Jerusalem led captive into all the world in 70 A.D. before YAHSHUA returned (Zech. 14.2; Luke. 21.24; Rev. 11.2)?

How long did the "times of the nations" (gentiles) last (Luke. 21.24; Rev. 11.2)?

Did the nations control Jerusalem for 42 months (Rev. 11.2) before YAHSHUA returned?

If you think the nations controlled Jerusalem for 42 literal months before YAHSHUA returned and they took it in 70 A.D. it means YAHSHUA did not return until 73 A.D.

Isn't 70 A.D. the year that YAHSHUA allegedly returned and weird events were allegedly observed? How is this possible?

Did the disciples and their converts take the Gospel to every nation on Earth or just those in the Roman Empire before 70 A.D. (Mark 13.10)?

Was the Gospel preached before 70 A.D. in the British Isles, France (Gaul), parts of Germany, North Africa and Libya which were part of the Roman Empire? Find an historical account that verifies this.

Did the Apostles preach the Gospel in every city in Israel or in every city in Palestine (Leviy-Matthew 10.23)?

Didn't all Israel include the Anglo-Saxon nations at that time and did the Apostles preach the Gospel in all of those cities before 70 A.D.?

Did YAHSHUA execute all the elders (rulers/leaders) of the Jewish nation when He returned in 70 A.D. (Leviy-Matthew 21.33-46)? Please cite just one historical account that verifies every Jewish leader was executed in 70 A.D.

If just one Jewish leader escaped execution by YAHSHUA in 70 A.D. does that mean YAHSHUA blew it?

Isn't it true that hundreds of the leaders of the Jewish nation, including the Herodian family, survived 70 A.D.?

How many raptures are described in the Bible (Leviy-Matt. 24.31; I Kings 15.51,52; I Thessalonians 4.16,17; Rev. 11.11,12; 14.15,16)?

Were the wicked raptured and if so where to (Luke. 17.34-37; Rev. 14.17-20)?

How near is near? (How many months or years is near?)

When did the Day of YAHWEH (Day of the Lord) take place?

Was the Day of YAHWEH near when Yahshua (Isaiah) said it was (Isaiah 13.6)?

Was the Day of YAHWEH near when Yechezqel (Ezekiel) said it was (Ezek. 30.3)?

Was the Day of YAHWEH near when Tsephaniah said it was (Zeph. 1.7, 14)?

Will there be a day in the future when the bodies of believers are resurrected (I Kings 15.51-54; I Thessalonians 4.16, 17)?

Was the prophecy of Psalm 68.18 fulfilled before 70 A.D.?

Who were the seven kings (Rev. 17.9-11)?

Who was the sixth king (Rev. 17.10)?

Who was the other king (seventh) who had not come when Yochanan (John) wrote the revelation (Rev. 17.10)?

Who was the eighth king (Rev. 17.10)?

Who were the 10 kings who fought YAHSHUA (Rev. 17.12)?

Who was the Mother of Prostitutes (Rev. 17.5, 16)?

What does it mean that the dead did not come to life until after the 1,000 years were completed (Rev. 20.5)?

How long is 1,000 years?

Did YAHSHUA explicitly tell His disciples they would not see His return (Luke. 17.22; Acts 1.6, 7)?

When YAHSHUA said some of His disciples would see Him come in His glory (Leviy-Matt. 16.28) was that fulfilled on the Mount of Transfiguration (Leviy 17.1-8)? Remember, there are no chapter breaks in the original manuscripts.

Who is "this generation" that would see the events of the Tribulation (Leviy 24.34)?

Were they the generation of the First Century A.D. or will they be the generation in the future that sees these "all" things actually take place in a literal fashion?

Why did the Father wait until just four years (66 A.D.) before the Second Advent of YAHSHUA (70 A.D.) to give His Son the most detailed account ever of future events?

Is it true that most believers never saw that revelation and most who read it did so a few months or a year or two before the Second Advent due to the time it took to copy and distribute the revelation throughout the Roman Empire?

Isn't it extremely odd that the most detailed and important prophecy in the Bible was given to believers a mere four years before the return of YAHSHUA and few of them had the opportunity to read it?

Why was it given so late?

Are we living in the Eternal Kingdom with the Father and Son as they promised us (Rev. 21.3)?

Has YAHWEH Elohim wiped away all tears from our eyes and is there no more death, sorrow, crying and pain (Rev. 21.4)?

Is the Preterist doctrine of eschatology fatally flawed?

If it is wrong in one point does it mean it cannot be the correct understanding?

What do YOU think ?

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Date:
24 Jan 2004
Time:
21:43:46

Comments

Hi DOV, I guess no one would really answer your series of questions as the answers are all over in this site. If you really want the answers, "Seek and you shall find...". However, if you wrote your own answers to those question from your futurist/rapturist's viewpiont, the response and answers will be forthcoming.

Some of the questions-answers will prove nothing. Let me use an example.

Joh 12:31-32 NOW is the judgment of this world: NOW shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Do you take NOW as the time when Jesus spoke those words, or when John wrote the Gospel or NOW in 2004 for "the prince of this world be cast out?" And if you believe YAHSHUA was resurrected and lift up into heaven, do you believe that ALL MEN will be draw unto YAHSHUA and be saved? Or ALL doesn't mean ALL?

MS Cheo.


Date:
27 Mar 2004
Time:
17:05:22

Comments

man these people need help


Date:
03 May 2004
Time:
09:36:13

Comments

The very structure of some of these questions presupposes a futurist mindset. If you are seeking a carnal kingdom, you are not seeking the Kingdom of God. Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. If you are in Christ, you are indeed living in the eternal Kingdom. Though your flesh will rot, there will no further separation from God for all eternity! That is FULFILLMENT! Hallelujah. PLEASE stop calling Christ a FAILURE! My ultimate question to ALL futurists is this --- "What do you, as futurists, give Christ credit for actually ACCOMPLISHING?" Sincerely, Jubileesings


Date:
08 Jun 2004
Time:
10:57:38

Comments

I have tried to explore this site with an open mind. I don't doubt that Jesus Christ was warning about the destruction of the Temple shortly to follow His death and resurrection. But, His disciples ask about the end of time. Obviously, time didn't end in 70 A.D. While some of the prophecies were fulfilled at that time, I see preterists scrambling after Israel became a nation again in 1947 (in ONE DAY as predicted and voted in by the NATIONS as predicted) and have since been reassessing some of their claims. They never explain the 144,000 who would be "sealed" in the end times. They don't explain the 1/3 of the waters turning bitter, scorpions which could sting but not kill (and NOWHERE is this explained in 70 A.D. ancient texts) along with numerous other woes predicted in Revelation. Rev 10:5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, Rev 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: One day, according to the Bible, time will be no longer. The Bible says, "Seek and ye shall find." You won't find it here on this website. The Bible holds the answers.


Date:
08 Jun 2004
Time:
11:16:50

Comments

My ultimate question to ALL futurists is this --- "What do you, as futurists, give Christ credit for actually ACCOMPLISHING?" Sincerely, Jubileesings. Dear Jubileesings, I, as a Christian, give Christ credit for all things. He came to this earth, lived and died on my behalf. He took MY sins to the cross. He was the ultimate sacrafice for a world of lost sinners. Because of Him, I am offered life eternal. Before He came and died for my sins (not just mine, but yours too)I had no hope. Now whether He raptures this old body out of this world (and changes it in the twinkling of an eye) or whether He calls me from a deep, dark grave, I KNOW that My Redeemer lives and will do what He has promised in His Word. You see, when He left, He sent a "Comforter", the Holy Spirit, who dwells within me. I don't classify myself as a preterist, futurist or any of those so-called fleshly names. You see, I am a Christian, born again by the Grace of God, nothing more, nothing less. Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my [sheep], and am known of mine. Praise His Holy Name, I know the Good Shepherd.


Date: 10 Jan 2006
Time: 16:12:50

Comments0:

That seemed more like an angry rant than a well reasoned argument against preterism...it did not convince me.


Date: 19 Jan 2006
Time: 02:21:05

Comments0:

what i find difficult is that none of the stuff in revalations that was prophecied got recorded anywhere. no one recorded a difference in their "spirit" as a result of 70 AD. you'd think john, seeing as he lived through the second coming, would have something to say about it after it happend y'know? anyone? did anyone have anything to say about this second coming after it happend? is this really a salvation issue? im gonna die someday and then i'll know!


Date: 05 Jun 2006
Time: 14:49:38

Comments0:

11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:

12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 2 tim 2:2


Date: 29 Mar 2007
Time: 15:06:31

Comments0:

I am SO glad I found this. I have an online friend that believes the rapture happen in 70AD I sent this to her. I believe she is lOST!
THANK YOU!!


Date: 07 Jan 2010
Time: 05:02:24

Your Comments:

If you would use the english words to describe a book it would be very helpful to understand the passage's you're using. Example:1Kor what is "Kor"? and "I Yochanan 2.20,27" again whast is Yochanan? It would be helpful to understand these passages and where you get them from.
 


Date: 24 May 2010
Time: 20:18:02

Your Comments:

If it is wrong in one point does it mean it cannot be the correct understanding.
Does this apply to all the false teachings from Christians for the last 2000 years.
Can Christians take back the murder of 200 million people because ,one point was wrong?
 


Date: 03 Oct 2012
Time: 21:45:39

Your Comments:

These questions cannot be answered by Preterists. Why is that? Has any Preterist bothered to answer these questions?
 

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