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By Bands Report
"Although there - is - no such word or term as "preterist" in any dictionary: The preterists could not have possibly chosen a better name for their demonic cult. "
Preterist: A theologian who believes that the prophecies of the Apocalypse have already been fulfilled. (Webster's Dictionary - http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=preterist)
Although there - is - no such word or term as "preterist" in any dictionary: The preterists could not have possibly chosen a better name for their demonic cult. Wherefore the term "preter" is clearly defined by - all - dictionaries as meaning: "beyond", "beside", and/or "more".
Moreover: FAR beyond, A LOT besides, and MUCH more, than what is actually written in God's Word, is precisely what anyone will receive who allows this demonic cult to influence their thinking.
Perhaps the best way to define the "preterist" movement, is as follows:
A preterist is a person publicly proclaiming the Bible to be the literal Word of Almighty God: Who will very boldly attempt to convince you that Jesus' Kingdom began at the time He was here on earth; And that his first time on earth was and is His Second Coming !!
A preterist is a person who will on one hand attempt to hold Jesus' feet to the fire by holding Him to the literal letter of every Word written in the Bible: Then proceed to maliciously twist everything that Jesus ever said: In their attempt to make Him out to be a liar.
A preterist is also a person who will boldly tell you that most of what is written in God's Holy Word was never intended by HIM to be taken literally; That every word of End Time prophecy has already been fulfilled; That what you now see in your life is all there is ever going to be:
Then use - this - aspect of their so-called belief to make GOD HIMSELF out to be a liar !!!
Every singular word of which "preterist" belief is an outright provable - LIE !!!!!
Perhaps the following best presents the preterist's obviously twisted view of God's Word.
This was written to BiblicalErrancy@yahoogroups.com, on Sunday, March 9, 2003, By:
Richard Matthews, aka "npclifesight", Executive Coach - Business Speaker, Portland, Oregon.
A known preterist.
The following - BY NO MEANS - expresses the belief of - ANY - actual Christian !!!
Richard's post pertains to the preterist's false claim that Jesus Return occurred in the first Century:
"As a former (distant) fundamentalist Christian and current New Thought minister, this issue is of keen interest to me (Richard Kent Matthews). The subject has been a thorn in the side of the Church since the second century. Each of the Church Fathers from Augustine to Aquinas and all in between have tackled it. There has never been a consensus. The only answer that has filtered down through the centuries -- at least one that the majority of churchers accept, both Catholic and Protestant - is that, since the Bible is inerrant, this issue is just one of the several mysteries in Scripture that will be revealed to us in Heaven. It allows them to cop out without losing face, at least in their own eyes.
Nearly all of the Jewish leaders in first century Palestine denounced Jesus as a false prophet.
Richard Matthews then goes on to cite the following Scriptures to support his outrageous claim:
Genesis 2:16-17 [KJV]: "And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: For in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Further quoting preterist Richard Kent Matthews:
"Since God lied in Genesis 2:16-17 (apparently because men eating from what Richard Matthews perceives to be trees are not dying), it's not surprising that Jesus lied in the following verses."
Matthew 10:22 All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. I tell you the truth, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
Next, the preterists will use Matthew 16:27-28 and/or 1-Thessalonians 4:15, to try to support their utterly false and absurd claim that either Jesus is a liar: Falsely claiming that either we (you and I) are now living in Jesus' Kingdom; Because, according to preterists either Jesus' Kingdom began during His time on earth; Or Jesus is a bold faced liar. (which HE is not) But, read the verses they cite carefully:
Matthew 16:27 "For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done. I (Jesus) tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.
1-Thessalonians 4:15 "For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that
we which are alive and remain
unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
Matthew 24:34 "I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
And that in fact, when properly translated, the Greek word "GENEA" does not simply mean "generation". But instead, it means "OFFSPRING" or otherwise - future - generation.
What do YOU think ?
This man is a sad case of manipulative eisegesis.
there are no comments necessary for such a poorly written and researched article such as this one.
The next time I read an article by this man I will need to wrap my head with an entire roll of duct tape to prevent my head from exploading. Attempting to follow his logic is hazardous to good mental health. Nice job on explaining Matthew 16:27. I would have never come to that conclusion on my own. Thanks a bunch. Jim
Dear Bands Report, My Preterist master told me that we're taking over the world. We march at dawn. Booo!!!
Wow, I haven't seen vitriolic hatred like this since I last read an article blasting Catholics. Scott
Hello All, I don't know who this "Bands report" guy is, BUT this i do know to be factual: He used to have a yahoo group (i don't know if he still does) and he used to say some of the oddest things. Like... that he was some kind of prophet or some such and claimed to be referenced in the OT. I think he got his name from Zechariah 11:7 "And I will feed the flock of slaughter, even you, O poor of the flock. And I took unto me two staves; the one I called Beauty, and the other I called Bands; and I fed the flock." I believe that he also claimed to be one of the "two witnesses" of Rev. (his take on it was that one witness was named "beauty, and he was named "bands") But i may be incorect about this as it has been several years since he made the statement. His old website (which does not exist anymore btw) made the Phil Johnsons's Bookmarks: Really, really, really bad theology web page. http://www.gty.org/~phil/bookmark/xtrabad.htm Here's what Phil had to say: "I have no clue who "Bands" is (someone named Vince Diehl, apparently), but he pretends to speak for God. He's angry at just about everyone in the church today, and he vents his rage by prophesying doom and destruction (particuarly against Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and New Mexico). His rants would be funny if they were not so blasphemous, attributing Bands's own demented tirades to the Lord." Well, If he did get his name from the Zech. passage, he might not have read verse 14 which says: "Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel." If any of you are interested in reading some of his previous rants go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/preteristclub/message/2975 the last four digits of the above is the message number, also try reading the following messages by this guy: 2980 2986 2988 2990 2991 3394 3471 3508 3521 3539 3544 3546 3547 3550 3551 3553 enjoy, Kevin, aka email@example.com Co-founder of The Preterist Club
A sad account of someone who claims to speak for God. He doesn't even try tho see other views. Funny that Arndt and Gingrich translate "genea" as in the phrase "this generation" , not offspring. Doesn't he read verses like Matt 5:22 where if anyone calls his brother "Raca" or " Fool" is in danger of ge henna !! If he claims we are demonic what about Rom 10:9-11. I'm pretty sure most if not all on this site agree Jesus rose from the dead. Doesn't this man contadict his own claims to speak for God? His ignorance and lack of tact astound me. A couple of years ago I typed in "theology" in google and came across this site. I thought "Jesus came back in 70 A.D. mmm this shouldn't be too hard to disprove. The more I read this site, the more intrigued I was. I started to put a Greek course I took to use in checking the actual Greek words in the N.T. instead of relying merely on logic of preconceived ideas I had of Pretrib. Preterism makes A LOT of sense. I thank God for this site and getting me off the "end of the world trip Hal Lindsey style " fantasy since the 80's. "The Parousia" , "Days of Vengeance", "Before Jerusalem Fell " all have a great deal to ponder about in this view. May God free us from our closed minds of traditions of men. steve steve
Why is this even on ANY website? Thanks for the laugh Todd :o) JEGjr
I pointed out to this guy that 1 of his prophecies disagreed with the Bible and he said that "he was praying to God to kill my firstborn" and he put a curse on me that all water entering my mouth would turn to blood and drive me insane - he is an evil and satanic FALSE PROPHET !
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