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Critical: Dave Hunt on Preterism: "they put out a statement a few years ago that all the promises to Israel were fulfilled in the time of Joshua. Now Joshua lived 110 years, these are everlasting promises, this is an everlasting covenant, everlasting possession of this land. And we would only have to go to, I mean, there are hundreds of prophecies promising Israel be restored. " // On Hyper Preterism: "They claim that Jesus Christ returned in fulfillment of His promise to come back to take us to heaven, He returned in the person of the Roman armies to destroy Jerusalem and to excommunicate Israel, and Israel is finished. Now if that is not wicked, and if that is not twisting the scriptures I don’t know what is."
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Send an email with your comments to todd @ preteristarchive.com Be sure to include the article name. They will be posted shortly upon receipt CommentsAh, yet again Mr. Van Impe defines the terms by which we should interpret Scripture, then interprets according to them. "For instance, in Daniel chapter twelve, verse four he said, at the time of the end knowledge shall be increased.' It took 1850 years -- that's almost 1800 years past 70A.D. -- to double knowledge in the world." Isn't it interesting how Jack defines what the Bibles means by "knowledge" without a single verse to back it up and then interprets an entire passage according to his definition. Where's the exegesis there?
CommentsIt is amazing that Jack uses the Catholic Church as an authority to dismiss truth, which by the time of Constantine was already corrupt. Early Church Fathers believed in a fulfilled account of 70 AD. Jack also states that the book of REV. was not written until 26 years after 70 AD. Without giving his readers the time date of REV. is debatable. Many believe it was written between 64 and 68 AD. There is only one statement in history that even suggests a late date and as I said it is only a very unclear statement. Jack, if you are going to use such info, it seems only JUST that you present all views to your readers instead of leaving them with only what you want them to see. I came from a denomination that, when in college they taught only their view. If Jesus said the Spirit will teach us truth, than we need all views shown and then we let the Spirit teach us the truth. Man’s doctrines have truth, yet so often is only limited truth. Thus it keeps the followers bound in religion and following men instead of Truth given by God, which brings true freedom. Jack, be fair show all views held in history – not just your view! As for Jesus coming in the clouds, remember how God ruled in the Old Test., from the clouds. They knew God was there, yet they could not see Him. It is true than as Jesus said, “ I do the things the same as my Father did them”. When everyone looked up and saw the cloud above Jerusalem in 70 AD. They knew it was the Lord. Josephus reports it as so. Come on Jack, Follow history not current events. Haven’t you made enough money on people who FAIL to study on their own? Peter said “ we need no man teach us, but the Spirit will teach us all”. It is time to stop tickling peoples ears and let the Spirit teach mankind as Jesus said was His duty. Jack, Rosh is not ever meant to be interpreted as Russia. Again, you attempt to use current events to interpreter the historical facts of the early Church. And how you keep coming up wrong in those interpretations. The fact remains; the Bible is the history of the responses of man to God and His plans. It is far from a complete account, yet gives us the base principles to see how to walk in God’s Kingdom, NOW. The reality is His Kingdom has come; His will is being done (although He does not always get His way because He made us free moral agents) on earth as it is in Heaven. This is Now not in some future period that you seem to try to invent. When are you going to be held accountable for all your wrong interpretations over the years? And yes, there have been many all we have to do is read your early books and see how you continually change to meet to-days headlines. History does prevail if people would study, but you keep people in the dark as to the rest of the story.
CommentsIt seems strange to me that Jack says a Catholic priest started preterism, when it is a well established fact that dispensationalism was fostered by the translation and dispensing of the writings of a catholic priest by Edward Irving and J.N. Darby. Jack makes a statement, gives a Bible reference (often without quoting it) to prove his point and people believe it because "he said" the Bible says it. Some of his references when checked out have nothing to do with what he is talking about! Did you ever notice that he really never does an in depth study of anything he teaches, only lots of passionate hype to say its all happening now, and yet nothing he has predicted has ever happened yet! A blind leader of the blind, making false statements, false accusations and never an opportunity to discuss the possibility that he might be wrong! Sad, very sad.
CommentsNeed a good laugh, so watching smiling Jack reminds me of the Joker.
CommentsYou seem just like the media to me. You can make things sound and play to the tune you set. If you really want to make sure the truth comes out -- have God set you up with a tv broadcast that goes to millions of people. He can do that you know! So I should be seeing and hearing you soon? Jered
CommentsIf a Jesuit created Preterism and you know it is wrong. Why do you teach futurism which also was created by a Jesuit? Try the Historist view point of Daniel and Revelation. You will finally get it right.
CommentsOne thing that I find particularly interesting, is how movements of thought work. Here you have a movement, and a guy who is explaining that movement. After people here the explanation, they judge the movement based on what they have heard. I will openly admit that there seem to be a million of flaws with every viewpoint, but it is only when a person really studies that they will find the truth. Truth wont just pop out at you. I wont even start with what I think you should believe, Im just saying that you should believe that there IS truth. Now go find it.
CommentsTo whom it may concern, I read about 1 or 2 pages of the critiscism directed at the Van Impe's and find your ignorance and mockery not worth continued reading. Mr. Van Impe is human and may be mistaken in some of his speculations but is obviously well educated and devoted to what he does, as well as having good intentions about trying to prepare people at what is to come. As terrible as what will take place, Jack & Rexella smile because the time is drawing closer to the coming of the Lord. I can't imagine anything greater taking place. "What a time to be alive!" Kee
CommentsHe teaches what he does because it sells.
CommentsI think Impe is an Imp. I like to watch his show for mindless entertainment!
CommentsI think Van Impe is right on.The preterist view dosn't make any sense at all. If all the prophecies have been fulfilled THEN WHAT are we born again Christians still doing here????
CommentsDear Jack: At the "end of the age" knowledge was increased; The spiritual knowledge of experiencing God's salvation through grace, without the trappings of Judaism (or any other religion). Secondly, Ezekiel ezperienced his prophetic vision on the banks of the Euphrates while in captivity. Cyrus' command to rebuild was the fulfilment. Finally, if Revelation was written in 96 AD, why does John speak of the temple and its measurements as though it still existed. The destruction of the city and the temple, and the dispursion of the Jews was, to a Jew, the ultimate catastrophe. John makes no mention of it. Why? Because it was yet future when he wrote the book. Ken Goertz BC
CommentsThe early church, made up of both jews and gentiles (parable of the mustard seed?), were daily exhorted to live right and to watch for the Lords return. This to me signifies an expectancy that the early church had. If this is true, and the Lord did not return in their life-time as they expected, then they held to a false teaching. This false teaching that they believed came from the teachings of the apostles who were led by Gods spirit. Now why would God allow this? Why no correction to the early church since they did believe that Jesus would soon return?
CommentsWe are living in the end times now. The mark of the brast is on the horizon, cataclysmic events are happening world wide, then there's Aids, Sars, and only God knows what's next. Let's stop critizing eath other and start reading the WORD of GOD for yourself.
CommentsDear people, Can you tell me why we should believe clear contextual reference to an immediate timeframe addressing the Israelites in Matthew [especially 23-24] should relate to us? How can a nonexistent race of people be the heirs to the promise fulfilled in the church? Please read Galatians chapter three. There you will see that the heirs to the promise of Abraham are the children of Christ! The people that call themselves Jews today are no more Jewish than I am a Muppet from outer space! Do a little research on the modern “Jew.” You will find that they are white proselytes from Kaza Russia, and can no more trace their family linage to Abraham than Michael Jackson can [though, he would have a good shot at the Muppet line]. Another question I must raise: How does God maintain a dual covenant? To adhere to dispensationalist thought, one must adhere to a dual covenant. In over four years of study – not one solid biblical answer has surfaced! Another point, for someone so caught up on biblical prophecy, the man does not appear to understand biblical language to well…riding on clouds. If you interpret everything literally [as you claim], then resting under the wings of shadow means God is a big chicken! Notice that Matthew wrote to a Hebrew audience. He used language reminiscent of OT prophecy. Luke paralleled it with plain Gentile language. Please, compare the two. Has anyone here read the context of the passages? Does any person here no Greek? I do, and it is clear to whom and what Jesus referred to in Matthew 24 - Jerusalem, its destruction, His judgment on the nation, and…you get the idea, or do you? O my time is so limited. I would love to go on and on…but I am afraid you would be overwhelmed and stop reading! Hey Kee, { posted 17 Feb 2003} Hitler was just a human too! Do you defend his error? Paul said it would be better to have a rock tied around your neck and thrown off a bridge than cause a person to stumble! He said if any man preached another gospel than the one he preached, let that man be accursed – literally – go to hell… Hey Mr. “What are we doing here!” {posted 06 Mar 2003} Try making disciples of people that turn from sins by the grace of God! We were never meant to warn people about a horrible world government! Good night
CommentsFROM THE PEN OF JOHN GILL, D.D, OF THE "PARTICULAR BAPTIST" PERSUASION. HE PASSED FROM THIS LIFE ON OCT. 14, 1771: (On Matthew 10:23): "ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, or "finished" them; that is, their tour through them, and their ministry, or the preaching of the Gospel in them, "till the son of man be come; either of his resurrection from the dead, when he was declared to be the Son of God, and when his glorification began; or of the pouring forth of the Spirit at the day of Pentecost, when his kingdom began more visibly to take place, and he was made, or manifested to be the Lord and Christ; or of his coming to take vengeance on his enemies, that would not have him to rule over them, and the persecutors of his ministers, at the destruction of Jerusalem." (On Matthew 21:43): He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, &c.] Which had its accomplishment at the destruction of Jerusalem: according to the other evangelists, these words are the answer of the chief priests, Scribes, and elders, to the above questions put to them by Christ, after he had delivered the parable; but here they seem to be the words of Christ, who also said the same, and confirmed what they had observed, and could not but own, that it was just and right, and what might be expected, with what follows: and shall give the vineyard to others; the land of Judea to the Romans in particular, and the church state, with the Gospel and ordinances of it, to the Gentiles in general, sometimes called "others"; see Gill on "Lu 5:29" and see Gill on "Lu 18:11". and when they heard it, they said, God forbid; though they were their own words, yet repeated and confirmed by Christ, and perceiving that they were the persons intended, deprecate the fulfilment of them; at least so far as they understood they related to the killing of the Messiah, and to the destruction of their nation, city, and temple. (John Gill, Online Bible.) (On Matthew 24:14): Ver. 14. And this Gospel of the kingdom, &c.] Which Christ himself preached, and which he called and sent his apostles to preach, in all the cities of Judah; by which means men were brought into the kingdom of the Messiah, or Gospel dispensation; and which treated both of the kingdom of grace and glory, and pointed out the saints' meetness for the kingdom of heaven, and their right unto it, and gives the best account of the glories of it: shall be preached in all the world; not only in Judea, where it was now confined, and that by the express orders of Christ himself; but in all the nations of the world, for which the apostles had their commission enlarged, after our Lord's resurrection; when they were bid to go into all the world, and preach the Gospel to every creature; and when the Jews put away the Gospel from them, they accordingly turned to the Gentiles; and before the destruction of Jerusalem, it was preached to all the nations under the heavens; and churches were planted in most places, through the ministry of it: "There was a necessity of the promulgation of it by the will of God, the command and commission of Christ; and for the gathering in of the Jews, that were the elect of God, "among all nations" of the world, especially in the Roman empire; and that "first", or before the destruction of Jerusalem." for a witness unto all nations; meaning either for a witness against all such in them, as should reject it; or as a testimony of Christ and salvation, unto all such as should believe in him: and then shall the end come; not the end of the world, as the Ethiopic version reads it, and others understand it; but the end of the Jewish state, the end of the city and temple: so that the universal preaching of the Gospel all over the world, was the last criterion and sign, of the destruction of Jerusalem; and the account of that itself next follows, with the dismal circumstances which attended it. (On Matthew 24:15, The Abomination of Desolation): Ver. 15. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, &c.] From signs, Christ proceeds to the immediate cause of the destruction of Jerusalem; which was, "the abomination of desolation", or the desolating abomination; or that abominable thing, which threatened and brought desolation upon the city, temple, and nation: by which is meant, not any statue placed in the temple by the Romans, or their order; not the golden eagle which Herod set upon the temple gate, for that was before Christ said these words; nor the image of Tiberius Caesar, which Pilate is said to bring into the temple; for this, if true, must be about this time; whereas Christ cannot be thought to refer to anything so near at hand; much less the statue of Adrian, set in the most holy place, which was an hundred and thirty years and upwards, after the destruction of the city and temple; nor the statue of Titus, who destroyed both, which does not appear: ever to be set up, or attempted; nor of Caligula, which, though ordered, was prevented being placed there: but the Roman army is designed; see #Lu 21:20 which was the ~mfm ~ycwqf @nk, "the wing", or "army of abominations making desolate", #Da 9:27. Armies are called wings, #Isa 8:8 and the Roman armies were desolating ones to the Jews, and to whom they were an abomination; not only because they consisted of Heathen men, and uncircumcised persons, but chiefly because of the images of their gods, which were upon their ensigns: for images and idols were always an abomination to them; so the "filthiness" which Hezekiah ordered to be carried out of the holy place, #2Ch 29:5 is by the Targum called, aqwxyr, "an abomination"; and this, by the Jewish writers {w}, is said to be an idol, which Ahaz had placed upon the altar; and such was the abomination of desolation, which Antiochus caused to be set upon the altar: ``Now the fifteenth day of the month Casleu, in the hundred forty and fifth year, they set up the abomination of desolation upon the altar, and builded idol altars throughout the cities of Juda on every side;'' (1 Maccabees 1:54) And so the Talmudic writers, by the abomination that makes desolate, in #Da 12:11 9:27 to which Christ here refers, understand an image, which they say {x} one Apostomus, a Grecian general, who burnt their law, set up in the temple. Now our Lord observes, that when they should see the Roman armies encompassing Jerusalem, with their ensigns flying, and these abominations on them, they might conclude its desolation was near at hand; and he does not so much mean his apostles, who would be most of them dead, or in other countries, when this would come to pass; but any of his disciples and followers, or any persons whatever, by whom should be seen this desolating abomination, spoken of by Daniel the prophet: not in #Da 11:31 which is spoken of the abomination in the times of Antiochus; but either in #Da 12:11 or rather in #Da 9:27 since this desolating abomination is that, which should follow the cutting off of the Messiah, and the ceasing of the daily sacrifice. It is to be observed, that Daniel is here called a prophet, contrary to what the Jewish writers say {y}, who deny him to be one; though one of {z} no inconsiderable note among them affirms, that he attained to the end, yyawbnh lwbgh, "of the prophetic border", or the ultimate degree of prophecy: when therefore this that Daniel, under a spirit of prophecy, spoke of should be seen, standing in the holy place; near the walls, and round about the holy city Jerusalem, so called from the sanctuary and worship of God in it; and which, in process of time, stood in the midst of it, and in the holy temple, and destroyed both; then whoso readeth, let him understand: that is, whoever then reads the prophecy of Daniel; will easily understand the meaning of it, and will see and know for certain, that now it is accomplished; and will consider how to escape the desolating judgment, unless he is given up to a judicial blindness and hardness of heart; which was the case of the greater part of the nation. {w} R. David Kimchi, & R. Sol. ben Melech, in 2 Chron. xxix. 5. {x} T. Bab. Taanith, fol. 28. 2. & Gloss. in ib. {y} T. Bab. Sanhedrin, fol. 94. 1. & Megilla, fol. 3. 1. & Tzeror Ham, mor, fol. 46. 4. Zohar in Num. fol. 61. 1. {z} Jacchiades in Dan. i. 17. ************************************************* JACK VANIMPE is just another run of the mill dispensationalist that thinks he has the market cornered on prophecy. Holy Writ states: "The law and the prophets were until John". Someone should tell brother Jack that he is no prophet ..... & quit being so enamoured with the catholic church. RT4PT@CS.COM
Commentsdear brothers & sisters,if this is on a broadcast cassette would please send imformation, i am teaching revelation now. i am at rev.6,vs 3i had a 7 month interupption. i begin again nov.16.rev.roy brooks bx 1101 sophia,w.va 25921 e-mail mbrooks1101@cs.com
CommentsBefore I even stumbled across Preterism, I had long ago concluded that Van IMpe was a prat of the first degree very much in love with himself!
CommentsAs a Missionary/Bible Prophecy teacher, I will have to agree that Jack van Impe is a false Teacher on many subjects of scripture ,such as his mindless interpretation of Ezek. 38/39, his absolute fraudulent "Rapture theory" as well as much of his so-called "prophetic" explanation of the book of Daniel. However, having said that, it must also be said, that holding to the "Preterist" position, is nothing less than Sriptural "Idiot'ism", as there is no valid foundation for such thought process. I challenge any and all "Pre-terists" ,to open debate, in a public forum of their choosing. All I can say is; if they accept, they will be humilliated. Thank you . "sorens70601@yahoo.com" My web site is <www.doctrinalhonesty.org>
CommentsOscar Meyer spells it bologna.
CommentsJesus said He came to fulfill the law and the prophets words which would include Ezekiel and Daniel's words (Matthew 5:17). Did Jesus bring fulfillment to the prophecies of the old testament or do we continue to wait 2.000 years after Jesus came for the words of Ezekiel and Daniel to be fulfilled? I will put my faith in Jesus words that the old testament is fulfilled. Mr. Van Impe you are teaching that the old testament prophet's words were not fulfilled and therefore you make Jesus out to be someone who has not done what He said he planned to do in fulfilling the law and the prophets of old. Sincerely, D.M.
CommentsI don't watch Jack vanImpe all that much, but I do agree with him. Not with him, but with Jesus and the Holy Bible. It is very clear, and I am following the teachings that are laid in my heart through the Holy Spirit. Date: 21 Apr 2005 Date: 27 Jul 2005 Date: 18 Nov 2005 Date: 12 Dec 2005 Date: 29 Dec 2005 Date: 01 Jan 2006 Date: 27 Jan 2006 Date: 26 May 2006 Date: 19 Jul 2006 Date: 02 Sep 2006 Date: 02 Sep 2006 Date: 06 Oct 2006 Date: 20 Nov 2006 Date: 24 Oct 2007 |
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