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WELCOME TO THE PRETERIST ARCHIVE OF REALIZED ESCHATOLOGY
Significance of AD30 - Calvary is judgment de jure; AD70 is only judgment de facto ("WPG")

Jirair Tashjian: The Second Coming "When writers and preachers make such a big fuss about the Second Coming and the end of the world, they are forgetting something much more important. They are in effect minimizing the First Coming. In a real sense the world ended some two thousand years ago in Jesus. Something decisive happened for humanity and for our relationship with God in the life, death and resurrection of Christ." [The destruction of the veil proves de jure fulfillment] // "For Christ has appeared, and in him the shadows have given way to the perfect and abiding reality."


Preterism in A.D. 611 : Andrew of Caesarea - On Revelation 6:14b-17: "Our Lord foretold the future events to the apostles who were asking about the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem and about the end of time, as much as they were able to receive. These things already happened, in the siege of Vespasian and Titus, to the Judeans who killed Christ, just as Josephus the Hebrew narrates."


Church-State Relations and the Book of Revelation
By Todd Dennis, Curator (Futurist: 1979-1996; Full Preterist: 1996-2006; Idealist: 2006-Forevermore)


DECEMBER 2012:

  • 12/20/12: Russian President Putin on "the Apocalypse" - "It will all end in 4.5 billion years," Putin said. "The Sun's [nuclear reaction] will end, but before that it will turn into a White Dwarf ... I don’t believe the world will end this year."

  • 12/20/12: Final expectation of Oneida Preterist - "I am now going to read some verses which are intended to indicate my feelings at the moment of leaving this world. If set to music they may be rendered very effective.. I wrote it this morning about ten o'clock "Final expectation of Oneida Preterist - "I am now going to read some verses which are intended to indicate my feelings at the moment of leaving this world. If set to music they may be rendered very effective.. I wrote it this morning about ten o'clock "

  • 12/19/12: Huff Post, Michael Meade, D.H.L. Why the World Doesn't End "While the raw energies of life may become uncovered and the troubles of the world may intensify, there is a simultaneous possibility that hidden meanings might become revealed and new ways of proceeding become discovered. Part of the revelation of the end-times is that things do not actually end altogether. The "world as we know it" may come to an end; that has happened many times before. Yet the fiery conclusion of all of creation, so greatly feared and seemingly near at hand, never quite arrives. The final judgment keeps being postponed and the literal end of time remains an unfulfilled prediction. "

  • 12/16/12: Cambridge Digital Library Texts "THE NASH PAPYRUS, along with lots of other textual goodies, has been digitized and placed online in the Cambridge Digital Library"

  • 12/16/12: APC - The Second Coming and Preterism "The official website of the American Presbyterian Church on the subject of Preterism - "We cannot interpret these chapters of the taking of Jerusalem by Antiochus Epiphanes in 168 B. C. or by the Romans in 70 A. D. In these calamitous events God did not in the person of the Messiah visibly appear (Matt 24:30 see the Son of man) on the Mount of Olives with His angelic hosts as the Deliverer of His people and the destroyer of many nations which were gathered against them; nor was the spirit of grace and supplication then or ever yet poured out upon the Jewish nation, so that they might look upon and recognize Him whom they have pierced; nor has the Lord, as the son of David, from any of those past events onward, become King over the whole earth; not to mention many other great and solemn events which are predicted in these chapters. The former had no beginning; the latter has. These events cannot be allegorized or explained away."

  • 12/14/12: Preterism Review - Did Fitzmeyer and Bruce endorse the early date for Revelation?

  • 12/12/12: Apostolic Wall of Shame "However, there are some areas that we don’t necessarily HAVE to agree on. These are called personal convictions in most cases. There are also some areas that are still a mystery, especially in regards to the End Times. I personally do not believe the preterist view that the Second Coming of Christ has happened. It doesn’t make sense to me. I personally believe in the Pre-Tribulation. But, I could be wrong. However, whether other Apostolics believe Preterism, Partial Preterism, Pre-Trib, Post-Trib… It’s irrelevant to me. That person is still my brother or sister."

  • 12/12/12: Another Year, Another Would-Be Apocalypse "Apocalypses use images of end times as a way of shaping present action. John, for instance, wanted his audience to reject claims of political “beasts” that promise wealth, status and luxury, and to imagine the possibility of becoming a community, a “New Jerusalem,” marked by divine compassion and the healing of nations."

  • 12/8/12: The Dispensational View of Double Fulfillment of Prophecy "So, Joel McDurmon and Gentry (and we could add DeMar and other postmillennialists to the list) are on record as rejecting the Dispensational “double fulfillment” view of prophecy. So after rejecting and condemning the Dispensationalists for positing the Double Fulfillment of prophecy, McDurmon not only affirmed Double Fulfillment, he affirmed Many Fulfillments!"

  • 12/7/12: Alan Kurschner - A Response to the Preterist Interpretation of "This Generation" in Matthew 24:34

  • 12/7/12:  Mayan Apocalypse - Panic Spreads

  • 12/6/12: Jason King: The Problem of Preterism - Hyperactivity "I, for one, am sick and tired of having to explain to futurists that I'm not of one of the above schools of "hyper" preterism, that I'm actually just "borderline" Full Preterist.

  • 12/4/12: David Midkiff - Matthew 24: Christ’s Precise Prophecy of the Destruction of Jerusalem ("After completing a tour of service in the United States Air Force as an Aircraft Electrician, I went to school and completed a B.A. in International Relations as well as Masters level coursework in Applied Linguistics." Now a preacher at First Free Methodist Church in Spokane, WA.)

  • 12/4/12: Sam Frost: Why I Left Preterism (2012) Excerpted citations and reviews archived below. (Just bought the pdf and am amazed at the level of scholarly substance laying out the unintended consequences of Full Preterist doctrine.

  • 12/2/12: The world must be filled with the presence of Christ:

“because by His death and resurrection Jesus has already accomplished that transformation of humanity and of the cosmos that is the final goal of creation.” // “This permanent coming of the Lord in the proclamation of the Gospel requires our continual collaboration; and the Church, which is like the Betrothed, the promised Bride of the crucified and risen Lamb of God (cfr. Rev. 21,9), in communion with her Lord collaborates in this coming of the Lord, in which His glorious return is already begun.”
 

  • November 17, 2012:

Jesus was born years earlier than thought claims Pope
 

  • November 17, 2012:

“Then the Son of Man will come upon the clouds in the sky with great power and glory” (13:26). The “Son of Man” is Jesus himself, who links the present with the future; the ancient words of the prophets have finally found a center in the person of the Messiah of Nazareth: he is the central event that, in the midst of the troubles of the world, remains the firm and stable point.

For this reason Jesus does not describe the end of the world and when he uses apocalyptic images he does not conduct himself like a “visionary.” On the contrary, he wants to take away the curiosity of his disciples in every age about dates and predictions and wishes instead to give them a key to a deep, essential reading, and above all to indicate the right path to take, today and tomorrow, to enter into eternal life. Everything passes – the Lord tells us – but God’s Word does not change, and before this Word each of us is responsible for his conduct. It is on this basis that we will be judged."


New Resource: Gallica.fr - Search term "Jerusalem"


January 5, 2013: Ft. Myers, Florida - Formal Debate: Sam Frost (Former Full Preterist) and Michael Miano (Hyper Preterist) // Miano / Frost Debate Website // Sam Frost's "Why I Left Full Preterism" Book


NOVEMBER 2012:

  • Mayan Doom-sayers are hurting the children

  • Kingdom through Covenant: A (dispensational) Review "Two profs from Southern Seminary published a biblical theology earlier this year that “fell like a bomb on the playground of the [biblical] theologians,” particularly disrupting the contented play of those of us hailing from either one of  the two traditional camps—i.e., dispensational and covenant theology. In it the authors, one a systematician (Stephen Wellum) and the other an OT scholar (Peter Gentry), argue for a middle way between these traditional polarities, calling their view progressive covenantalism."

  • Israel and prophecy writers are in the news again "Contrary to dispensationalism’s future holocaust, preterists believe that Jesus predicted that a great tribulation would take place within a generation of the prophetic discourse He gave on the Mount of Olives. For forty years, Jesus’ disciple preached the gospel throughout the Roman Empire warning Jews everywhere of the coming judgment. Those living in Judea at the time were warned to flee before the judgment. Just like Jesus predicted, the judgment of Jerusalem came by way of the Roman armies led by Titus. Those who heeded Jesus’ warning survived."

  • 11/20/12: American Vision - "The Christians just want us to be there so we can be slaughtered and converted and bring on the second coming of Jesus Christ. The worst possible allies for the Jewish state are the fundamentalist Christians who want Jews to die and convert so they can bring on the second coming of their Lord. It is a false friendship. They are seeking their own ends and not ours. I don’t believe the fundamentalists urging a greater Israel are friends of the Jewish state." (Mark Alan Siegel, then chairman of Florida’s Palm Beach County Democratic Party)

  • 11/20/12: Joel McDurmon "On July 19‒21 of this year, I engaged in a three-day debate event with full (hyper-) preterist Don Preston. Knowing that that movement is tiny, almost insignificant, filled with various types and degrees of troublemakers, and that the benefits of engaging it would likely be minimal, many people asked me why in the world I would invest my time and energy like that."

  • 11/20/12: Joel McDurmon: We shall all be changed a critique of full preterism What is Preterism? What is the difference between the various views of Preterism? The McDurmon-Preston debate along with Dr. McDurmon's study companion will answer these questions and more.

  • 11/20/12: Do-todays-earthquakes-and-storms-point-to-Christs-Second-Coming.html A new book, The Book of Truth Volume One, claims to contain divine messages from Jesus Christ given to the author warning of the end times which are near.

  • 11/18/12: Is This the final move towards the destruction of Jerusalem? "As the conflict escalates between Israel and Gaza, one cannot help but wonder if this will turn into the final, decisive conflict." November 17, 2012

  • 11/16/12: http://www.bookreviews.org/bookdetail.asp?TitleID=8305 Eusebius of Caesarea: Gospel Problems and Solutions // Roger Pearse, editor "Ever since the four gospels were first collected together, Christians have asked why they diverge in some respects. Why is the genealogy in Matthew different to that in Luke? Why is there more than one ending for Mark? In 320 AD Eusebius, Bishop of Caesarea, wrote one of the first collections of such 'questions' and gave scholarly answers to them. Because of his early date, his answers are of great interest to scholars and general readers alike. A few snippets of the work have been translated into English in the past, but this volume is the first ever translation into English of all the material that has reached us today. "

  • 11/16/12:  http://krausekorner.wordpress.com/tag/preterist/ The End of Prophecy in A.D. 70 "In teaching Revelation last year and preaching it at the Winema Week of Missions last summer, I have talked about this new preterism (what I call neo-preterist). The usual response: people can’t believe this

    is a serious position within the Evangelical community. For you disbelievers (including my students) I have included a picture of their booth at the Evangelical Theological Society meeting in Milwaukee, where I am today. I did not just make this stuff up."
     
  • 11/16/12: Samuel Frost (Former Hyp)  Matthew 16:27-28 "Supposedly, these verses go a long way in demonstrating the Hyper Preterist contention that all prophecy was fulfilled in AD 70... However, if it is conceded that these verses do, in fact, teach the idea that the Son of Man’s “coming in his kingdom” is to be related solely, that is, exclusively to the razing of Jerusalem in the Jewish War of 66-70 AD, then the Hyper Preterist thinks he or she has virtually demonstrated the point that all prophecy was fulfilled by this time."

  • 11/9/12: The History of the Works of the Learned, Or, An Impartial Account of Books Lately Printed in All A review of LeClerc's Latin Hammond, from 1699

  • 11/8/12: The History of Rome, from its earliest period to the death of Vespasian "From all this it is clear, that the civilized nations of the present day have reason to thank Providence that their fate was not cast in ancient Rome; as the most defective of them confer more civil and substantial freedom, than was ever known to that haughty dictatoress of nations, Rome - the once imperial mistress of the world." (1853)

  • 11/8/12: Scribe links Qumran and Masada "More than 50 Dead Sea Scroll manuscripts were copied by the same scribe. The 54 manuscripts came from six different caves: Qumran Caves 1, 2, 3, 4, 6 and 11. Even more surprising, Yardeni identified the same scribal hand in a manuscript of the Joshua Apocryphon found 30 miles south of Qumran at the famous desert fortress of Masada, the last holdout in the Jewish revolt against Rome."

  • Mike Beidler: Frederic W. Farrar "Consolidating some book boxes this morning, I ran across my 10th edition copy of the 1898 "end times" novel "Darkness and Dawn (or Scenes in the Days of Nero): An Historic Tale" by Archdeacon and Canon of Westminster Frederic W. Farrar. I suspect it's superior in all manners to Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins' "Left Behind" series. Let's find out! Todd, I miss our Pasadena book binges!"

  • Revere Franklin Weidner: Annotations on the Revelation of St John, the Divine (Chicago Lutheran: 1898) "There is some difficulty in determining the date of the Apocalypse. The majority of modern critical historians and commentators, diverse as may be their views on other points, agree in this, that the Apocalypse, no matter by whom written, was composed between the death of Nero (June 9, 68 A.D.) and the destruction of Jerusalem (August 10, 70 A.D.)"

F.F. Bruce (1910–1990) Study Archive


Was Flavius Josephus familiar with the Apocalypse of John?

John's Revelation - “And there were noises and thundering and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the earth.” (16:18)

Josephus - “for there broke out a prodigious storm in the night, with the utmost violence, and very strong winds, with the largest showers of rain, with continued lightnings, terrible thunderings, and amazing concussions and bellowings of the earth, that was in an earthquake. These things were a manifest indication that some destruction was coming upon men, when the system of the world was put into this disorder; and any one would guess that these wonders foreshowed some grand calamities that were coming” (“Wars of the Jews” 4:4:5)
John's Revelation - "Now the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And great Babylon was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.” (16:19)



Josephus - “it so happened that the sedition at Jerusalem was revived, and parted into three factions, and that one faction fought against the other; which partition in such evil cases may be said to be a good thing, and the effect of divine justice.” (5:1:1)

John's Revelation - “And great hail from heaven fell upon men, each hailstone about the weight of a talent.” (16:21)

Josephus -  “Now the stones that were cast were of the weight of a talent, and were carried two furlongs and further. The blow they gave was no way to be sustained, not only by those that stood first in the way, but by those that were beyond them for a great space. As for the Jews, they at first watched the coming of the stone, for it was of a white color, and could therefore not only be perceived by the great noise it made, but could be seen also before it came by its brightness;” (5:6:3)

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10/2/12:

Six Sermons on the Study of the Holy Scriptures

Plus Two Dissertations ; with an original Exposition of the Book of Revelation.

the second on the interpretation of prophecy generally, with an original exposition of the book of Revelation, shewing that the whole of that remarkable prophecy has long ago been fulfilled.

By the Rev. Samuel Lee
Arabic Professor Cambridge
(
1830)


10/1/12:

Preteristarchive.com's 16th Birthday. Thanks to all who use the resource. (784,663 visits, 2,203,345 pages viewed during 15th year.)

  • Thomas Hayne (1645) Quoted in Heaven Upon Earth "But the famous Kindome of Christ and Christians began moe years then one thousand five hundred agon.. Therefore the notable binding of Satan began one thousand five hundred years agon, and therefore is past long before our time." (Christs Kindome on Earth, p. 72)

  • Expectations of the End "Mark 13:30, which foretells that 'this generation will not pass away before all these things take place', does indeed pose a problem for eschatological interpretations, since it is unclear how this saying could stand for anything else than an expected fulfillment of events during the lifetime of 'this generation', i.e. contemporaries of Jesus and his followers."

9/30/12:

9/27/12:

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9/24/12:

  • Isidore of Pelusium (d. approx. 436) "If you have a mind to know what punishment the wicked Jews underwent, who ill-treated the Christ, read the history of their destruction, writ by Josephus, a Jew indeed, but a lover or truth, that you may see the wonderful story, such as no time ever saw before since the beginning of the world, nor ever shall be." (1965's Nostra Aetate document removed Jewish Guilt from Catholic Church dogma)

9/23/12:

  • FREE ONLINE BOOKS: Bunsen and Wordsworth on the Date of the Apocalypse (1855) Intense debate between brilliant scholars from different fields on the issue of the early dating of the Book of Revelation. (Bunsen is cited by Bahnsen and Gentry as a source -- but how well do his arguments fare?)

  • FREE ONLINE BOOKS: An Exposition of the 39 Articles of the Church of England (1700) Art. 22 "Others at the same time were daubing with a profane mixture, both of Judaism and Gentilism, joining these with some of the precepts of Christianity; a day would soon appear, which probably is meant of the destruction of Jerusalem, and of the Jewish Nation"

  • Allies for Armageddon (2007)  "For armies of eager decoders of bible prophecy, the signing of the Balfour Declaration and General Allenby's conquest of Jerusalem had little to do with righting a historic injustice or with winning the war, but everything to do with Jesus's Second Coming." (p. 123)

9/22/12:

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9/13/12:

  • Armageddon - "Israeli Arab Knesset official warned of “Armageddon” if the United Nations does not intervene. “If the U.N. does not mobilize to stop this erosion, it will be Armageddon,” MK Talab el-Sana told the Israeli paper. "

  • FREE ONLINE BOOKS: Apocalypse (1831) "The opinion, that the book of Revelation refers to the Jewish church and polity, and was all fulfilled in the apostolic age, appears to be gaining ground in our denomination. But we should not hastily embrace any new theory without carefully examining its various parts, and comparing them with the sacred text. In avoiding the errors and extremes of Orthodoxy, there is a danger that we run into the extremes of Heterodoxy." (investigating further to see if the writings of "J.W.H." represent earliest expression of full preterism)

    •  J.W.H. appears to be James W. Haskins - teaching, in the year 1830, that AD70 fulfilled the entirety of the Book of Revelation.

9/12/12:

  • FREE ONLINE BOOKS: Tertullian Against the Jews "Tertullian seems to return to the topic at hand - the fulfillment of those events that were prophesied to take place after the Christ had been on earth. One would expect him to have examined the fulfillent of the prophecies about the fall of Jerusalem, yet he did not. Instead he turned his attention to other events that were to take place in the aftermath of the coming of the Christ.. yet only after that did he return to the significance of the fulfillment of the prophecy about the fall of Jerusalem."

  • Google Ebook - End of Days: Essays on the Apocalypse from Antiquity to Modernity (2009) "The idea of the complete annihilation of all life is a powerful and culturally universal concept. As human societies around the globe have produced creation myths, so too have they created narratives concerning the apocalyptic destruction of their worlds. This book explores the idea of the apocalypse and its reception within culture and society, bringing together 17 essays which explore both the influence and innovation of apocalyptic ideas from classical Greek and Roman writings to the foreign policies of the contemporary United States. The book begins with an essay which serves as a microcosm for the remaining collection, exploring the points of convergence and divergence among medieval Christian and contemporary secular apocalyptic ideas. The first half of the book invites readers to explore ancient, medieval, early modern, and modern popular conceptions of the apocalypse. The second half focuses on the continuance of apocalyptic expectations and how they are understood within the realms of contemporary politics and popular culture."

9/11/12:

  • Free TheWord module - Holford, George Peter - The Destruction of Jerusalem "Originally, this work had no chapters and no headings. The chapter divisions and headings have been inserted by the uploader (9-8-2012). This public domain text can be found in numerous places online, most of which seem to be copied/pasted from one source. Numerous OCR mistakes that existed in all the online texts were corrected. Some spelling was updated, and the book was tooltipped."

9/10/12:

  • FREE ONLINE BOOKS: To the Preterists... 1880 "To the Preterists - The position I take as a Futurist has not been, so far as I am aware, assailed, and because I deem it impregnable, I shall be glad if some preterist will disclose to me, its weak point, if it has one." - Nathaniel Starkey, 1880

  • FREE ONLINE BOOKS: A Reply to Nathaniel Starkey by T. May (1880) - "Mr Nathaniel Starkey, in the January Rainbow, wishes a preterist to reply to his note on the 5th chapter of Revelation. Would you kindly allow me a short space?"

9/8/12:

  • Was 70 CE a Watershed in History?

  • FREE ONLINE BOOKS: An amicable Controversy with a Jewish Rabbi (1832) "The abrogation of the law, and the promulgation of the Gospel, are foreshewn under the types of the Old and the New Jerusalem; which symbolically signify the Old and New Covenant, the one abolished and the other established, in reality at the coming of Christ, but ostensibly at the destruction of the city and temple, which is probably on this account employed symbolically, to represent the spiritual change." (p. 135)

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9/5/12:

  • Sam Frost: Position Paper #1: The Olivet Discourse "We can all agree that the material here includes the razing of Jerusalem by the Roman armies in the Jewish War of 66-70 A.D. The question before us is, Can all of the gathered materials in the Gospel discourses exclude further future descriptions post 70 A.D.?" (Launching a new scholarly direction with regard to meanings.. Well worth the subscription cost.)

  • NT Wright: Surprised by Hope - "Nor will it do to say, as do some who grasp that part of the point but have not worked it through, that the events of A.D. 70 were themselves the second coming of Jesus so that ever signce then we have been living in God's new age and there is no further coming to wait. This may seem to many readers, as indeed it seems to me, a bizarre position to hold, but there are some who not only hold it but also eagerly propagate it and use some of my arguments to support it."

  • Preterism: Is Revelation Fulfilled?

9/4/12:

8/21/12:

  • Moved to San Diego, California for winter.   Would love to meet up with anyone in the area.  Feel free to write (todd @ preteristarchive.com - without spaces) or call (907-750-0099) to set a time.

8/6/12:

8/3/12:

  • The Mystery of the Skeletons and the Fall of Jerusalem An archaeological scandal stirs Jerusalem this week: Who were the thousands of people whose skeletons were filmed by journalist Benny Liss at the foot of the eastern wall on Temple Mount? Were they victims of a Second Temple-era massacre or simply corpses buried in a Byzantine gravesite?

8/2/12:

  • Keep Dreaming: Imagining the Prophecy Come True  JPost: "Unlike other rituals specified in the Torah that we have been enjoined to perform for eternity, the observance of the four fasts relating to the devastation of Jerusalem are ultimately to be suspended. “The fast of the fourth month and the fast of the fifth and the fast of the seventh and the fast of the tenth shall become for the house of Judah delight and gladness and joyful seasons,” prophesied Zechariah, who continued: “therefore love ye truth and peace.”

7/31/12:

7/20/12:

  • Sam Frost releasing book "Why I Left Full Preterism" through American Vision

7/18/12:

July 19, 2012: On the first night Don will take the affirmative on the resolution, “The Bible teaches that the final, end of the age coming of Christ and the attendant resurrection from the dead, occurred at the time of the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70.” Joel will take the negative.

July 20, 2012: The very next night, they will switch roles: Joel McDurmon will affirm the resolution, “The Bible teaches a future return of Christ with an attendant resurrection of the dead.” Preston will argue the negative.

July 21, 2012: Finally, on Saturday morning, Joel and Don will both field questions for a full two hour Q&A session.

 

7/15/12:

  • http://metrobibleblog.wordpress.com/category/mark/ "The fig tree is withered – Jesus has replaced Israel as the blessing; the mountain will be removed – Jesus has preplaced the Temple as the place of sacrifice and worship for ALL people. In 70 A.D. the temple actually was destroyed as Jesus predicted (Mark 13:1-2, see other posts about the Temple)."

5/10/12:

Former Full Preterists - Bryan E. Lewis, former pastor of Full Preterist Church; Second Don Preston Webmaster to leave the fold.

 "Absolutely, full-preterism is not orthodox. 1] no basic orthodox belief within Christianity has ever allowed for a second Advent in A. D. 70. 2] No basic orthodox belief within Christianity has ever allowed for any other type of resurrection than a bodily one. 3] all historical basic orthodox beliefs within Christianity speak of the universal, personal judgment of all men, not of a representative judgment in A. D. 70."

5/8/12:

5/7/12:

  • Remembering Jerusalem's destruction "Welcome to Beit Katros - the home of an important family of priests who served in the Second Temple and are mentioned in the Talmud. Visitors to the restored ancient site are in for a unique experience: a gripping multimedia, sound and light show dramatically recreates the fall of Jerusalem and destruction of the Second Temple against the backdrop of the social strife and fraternal division that undermined the foundations of the Jewish nation."

5/1/12:

  • Philip Mauro: Sam Frost - Scholar, Philip Mauro "This is far more acceptable in “explaining” what appears to some as a unsteady stream of Church History. There is a steady stream. It didn’t start in AD 70. It started with the arrival of Messiah; with his pouring out the Spirit."

4/25/12:

  • 70 AD - A Commentary on Matthew Twenty-four by Joe La Bianca "This is a commentary on Matthew 24. People think this chapter teaches the end of the world, but it does not. It teaches the end of a world, the world of Israel in the first century. So grab your bible, read the verses, and then read my comments below."

4/19/12:

  • Don't you fret about the end of the world Philip Schroeder, San Antonio Preterist "There are people today, who spend all their time with a Bible in one hand and their newspaper in the other, worrying about the future so much that they are doing nothing to improve the present."

4/16/12:

  • destruction of Jerusalem | French & Catholic If “Jews originally celebrated Passover on the first full moon following the vernal equinox” and if “Christians, therefore, celebrated Easter on the first Sunday after the first full moon following the vernal equinox”, it should be quite easy to determine on what day of a particular year Easter would fall according to the aforementioned method of determination that I’ll call the pre-70 method."

4/15/12:

  • ΠΡΩΪ: a preterist view of the zombie apocalypse "At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people. (Matt 27:51-53)"

4/15/12:

  • Christ the King and Preterism- Historical Preterism "If Christ has already destroyed all His enemies in the first-century, and death is the last enemy, then there would be no distinction between the Church and the world; all people would be born free from spiritual death and the corruption of original sin. Although the theological arguments seem to suffice, a closer exegetical look at the Word of God is in order."

4/14/12:

  • Hyper: Mike Bennett - Resurrection and the Levirate Marriage Law "what laws regarding marriage were in place at the time that JESUS said that. THE LEVIRATE MARRIAGE LAW (giving of ones wife to a relative when you die physically) which was a Mosaic law. Therefore, either we should be practicing that law, or the resurrection occurred. Again, Jesus did not say that this law was not in place still, when the question was asked, He just answered that the physically dead (when resurrected) do not have to marry again. This ties the resurrection with the end of the Mosaic law." (This point is why determining the precise timing for the end of the Mosiac Law is so very important)

4/12/12:

4/10/12:

  • Interpreting Revelation – Preterism "I certainly think that the apocalyptic events of A.D. 70 are in the background of the book. But does the fall of Jerusalem (or Roman persecutions) exhaust the value of the book? The book claims to be prophecy as well as apocalyptic – if the book was “entirely fulfilled” in A.D. 70, is there anything in the book for the future?" ("this is that" for sure.. but does that mean "ONLY this is that"?)

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4/4/12:

  • Hyper Preterist “Don’t” Come Forth by Paul Gates "So, why does the Hyperpreterist claim death is a normal part of the human condition, whereas Christ Jesus recognized it as abnormal? Why do hyperpreterists dismiss as “natural”, (physical/biological death), that which caused Christ to become “angry”? Based on the hyperpreterist view of eschatology Christ Jesus should have said, “Lazarus “DON’T” come forth!”

4/1/12

  • Orosius: Book 7 - Christian History ‎"After (B) the capture and overthrow of Jerusalem, as the prophets had foretold, and after the total destruction of the Jewish nation, Titus, who had been appointed by the decree of God to avenge (A) the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ, celebrated with his father Vespasian his victory by a triumph and closed the Temple of Janus." (Thanks, David Fish!)

3/26/12:

  • Triablogue: "Evangelical" preterism Steve "Gentry says the futurist interpretation renders the prophecies of Revelation irrelevant to the 1C generation of readers. But by parity of argument, the preterist interpretation renders the prophecies irrelevant to later generations. If what was future to them (the original audience) is past to us, then they are anticlimactic to us. That’s passé. Not something we look forward to. Not something that changes our current situation."

3/24/12:

  • Sam Frost - An Easy Way to Defeat a Hyper Preterist: Part 2 "We may certainly argue that “the death is destroyed” (καταργήσαντος μὲν τὸν θάνατον – 2 Tim 1.10). But, this is only in consideration of the powers in submission to Christ, the man. “death no longer has dominion over him in that he no longer dies.” This is due to his resurrection. Notice, too, that the aorist used in 2 Tim 1.10 is before AD 70. Jesus destroyed “the death” at the cross and resurrection. He nailed it to the cross. He made an open show of it. Death was defeated when Jesus came out of that tomb. "

3/21/12:

3/20/12:

3/19/12:

  • Leithart.com | Gage on John and Revelation "One of the main themes of Gage's talks was the identity of the whore of Babylon. His talks were radically preterist, as he described the theme of Revelation as the transformation of the whore into the bride, of the fallen old Israel into a beautiful new Israel. "

3/18/12:

3/15/12:

  • 12-21-2012 Just Another Day 12-21-12 is just the end of the Mayan calendar cycle, as December 31st is "the end" of our calendar cycle for the year

3/11/12:

  • Harold Camping: I Won't Predict Apocalypse Again "America's favorite doomsday prophet issued a belated apology letter yesterday, admitting he was wrong about the rapture coming on May 21 . (No specific mention of his subsequent prediction"

  • 12-21-2012 Just Another Day 12-21-12 is just the end of the Mayan calendar cycle, as December 31st is "the end" of our calendar cycle for the year

3/9/12:

3/7/12:

  • HAVE THE PROPHECIES IN REVELATION 17–18 ABOUT BABYLON BEEN FULFILLED? (PDF) Andrew Woods - "neither Rome’s alliance with Israel, Rome’s revival, or Rome’s seven hills argue convincingly that a relationship between Jerusalem and Rome in AD 66–70 is portrayed in Revela- tion 17:3b, 8–9, 11. Thus neither the prophetic information regard- ing Babylon’s harlotry nor her alliance with the beast is sufficient to equate the Babylonian harlot with first-century Jerusalem. " (BIBLIOTHECA SACRA 169 (January–March 2012): 79–100) PDF FILE

  • John 2:13-22: Where Can God Be Found? Matthew Skinner - "Most historians conclude that the execution of Jesus was a consequence of -- perhaps among other things -- words he spoke criticizing the Temple in Jerusalem and its leadership. It appears some sort of demonstration he performed in the temple precinct was also part of the equation."

  • Revisiting Preterism: Careless Biblical Interpretation "Recently at the local church, it was the preterist idea that Hebrews 12:26 (“At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, “Yet once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens.”) is only symbolic, figurative apocalyptic language and is actually talking about what happened in the 1st century, the change of administration at the cross followed by the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70."

3/5/12:

  • Preterism? (Fullness of Time Part 3) "I then thought, Am I a heretic? Is anybody else seeing the things that I’m seeing? That’s when I discovered the theological phrase that defined my developing convictions: Preterism."

3/2/12:

2/29/12:

  • Robotic Examination of New 'Jesus Tomb' Creates Archeological Controversy "The robot arm has discovered a set of limestone Jewish ossuaries or "bone boxes" inside the tomb that have carved on them a rare Greek inscription and an image that some scholars suggest is uniquely Christian. The Greek inscription refers to God "raising someone up" and the image is that of a fish in the mouth of a human stick figure, which is interpreted to represent the biblical story of Jonah. The Jonah image has also been found in Christian catacombs in Rome and is thought to symbolize resurrection.

    The tomb has been dated at being before 70 AD"

2/28/12:

  • Elaine Pagels on the Book of Revelation "Pagels then shows that Revelation, far from being meant as a hallucinatory prophecy, is actually a coded account of events that were happening at the time John was writing. It’s essentially a political cartoon about the crisis in the Jesus movement in the late first century, with Jerusalem fallen and the Temple destroyed and the Saviour, despite his promises, still not back."

2/25/12:

2/24/12:

2/23/12:

2/22/12:

  • John Noe: Off Target: 18 bull's-eye exposés This book asks readers to ponder this tough and challenging question: Have we Christians been led astray by our own leaders; dumbed down in our theology by ideas, interpretations, teachings, doctrines of men, and traditions that will not stand up to an honest and sincere test of Scripture

2/21/12:

  • Certainly sure, and sometimes near- Historical Preterism Ken Palmer - "μέλλω cannot solely be attributed to a short or a nearness of time, but rather a certainty, and is dictated by the context, or adjacent terms that construct the theme in which is being discussed. This study was performed as an exhaustive commentary (not exegesis) on the term μέλλω, so that the preterist can tread carefully in the areas of study of this certain term."

2/14/12

2/13/12:

  • The Jewish New Testament "Essentially, it’s a copy of the New Revised Standard Version of the NT, with introductions to each NT writing and a running commentary on the contents of each writing (with “sidebars” on topics deemed of particular interest or curiosity to Jewish readers)."

  • Scripture in light of "1st century history": Does studding Eschatology for yourself really Matter? "doubt about the imminence of the Lord’s return is increasingly mixed with them until around the middle of the second century when the Shepherd of Hermas thinks he has found a solution and expresses it with great thoroughness and emphasis: the Parousia-the Lord’s return-has been postponed for the sake of Christians them selves. The building of the tower has not been stopped"

 

2/10/12:

2/6/12:

2/5/12:

  • Kurt Simmons: When was the Atonement Complete? "Some Preterists argue Hebrew 9:24 teaches that Christ's atonement was not complete at Christ's death, burial, and resurrection, and that the saints continued under the debt of sin and the Old Law until AD 70.  Does this view have any validity?   No. "

1/28/12:

  • World will survive latest end-date "Madness about the world ending this year has increased to the point where, if you Google December 21, 2012, you get over two billion hits."

1/24/12:

  • Beggars All: Reformation And Apologetics: Charles Spurgeon, Full-Preterism, and Figurative Language "I would take a guess this quote was taken from the Preterist Archive: C.H. Spurgeon. Those involved with Preterism appear to look for anything written by anybody in regard to A.D. 70 and the fall of Jerusalem (simply skim through the pages at the Preterist Archive). The Preterist Archive (now partial preterist) takes this quote without explaining the context." (First posted the quote in its entirety in 1997. Also, the native theology at PreteristArchive.com is Idealist.)

1/22/12:

1/19/12:

  • The Olivet Discourse Primitive Baptist: "Just as the budding of leaves on a fig tree signals that summer is near, so these events will signal that ``the kingdom of God is nigh''. In Lu 21:32, Jesus teaches that the generation that sees these signs will be the generation that witnesses the fulfillment of redemptive history."

"This is in reference to my inquiry about Colonel H. Speed Wilson's $10,000 Rapture challenge. I finally tracked him down through his association with the Lake Hamilton Bible Camp and from this latest email I received it appears that the Colonel will acquiesce to remit the $10,000 posted to anyone who could prove the the Rapture of the Church is supported by Scripture, I proved this and I'm glad to say that as to him as well as my self it is all about the truth, furthermore, the Preterist position on the Book of Revelations is the premise of educated fools. There is knowledge to be learned on that website but it is of an historical nature and as far as a spiritual nature it is bone without enough meat on it to make a sick bird a bowl of soup." Sincerely, Donald LeFlore

1/14/12:

  • U.S. Warns Israel on Strike U.S. defense leaders are increasingly concerned that Israel is preparing to take military action against Iran, over U.S. objections, and have stepped up contingency planning to safeguard U.S. facilities in the region in case of a conflict.

1/12/12:

  • Poll Finds 43 Percent Of People Believe God Helps Tebow Win Related to Dominion Theology - Is God Helping His Church Transform Earth?

    • ‎"emails made the rounds among Orthodox Jews connecting Mr. Tebow's heavenly achievement to their own tradition: Since Hebrew scans from right to left, the passing number he achieved should have read 613, not 316—and 613, an important figure in Judaism, marks the precise number of commandments in the Torah."  (source)

1/11/12:

  • Doomsday Clock Moves One Minute Closer to Armageddon "Faced with clear and present dangers of nuclear proliferation and climate change, and the need to find sustainable and safe sources of energy, world leaders are failing to change business as usual," said Lawrence Krauss, a board member of the BAS."
  • Bob Plubell - "School of Preterism Failed Me!" (Sign Language Video)

1/10/12:

  • Are “Full” aka Hyperpreterists "Binitarians"? "While certainly there is a relationship between the Christ and the Spirit, and while their functional roles overlap soteriologically, this, as Dr. Fee points out, is a far cry from “Spirit Christology” wherein Christ and the Spirit are one and the same. "

  • Forget 2012, expert says world ends in 500M years | CTV News

1/6/12:

  • A Brief Critique of Dispensationalism - The following is a brief, yet potent, argument against the errors of the Eschatological doctrine commonly known as Dispensationalism by Richard Jones.

1/3/12:

  • Free Online PDF Book by Full Preterist Joe Michael Vincent II - The Millennium: Past, Present or Future? "Check out my new book on “The Millennium,” Past, Present, or Future? Simply click on the image on the right to open the PDF document and begin reading. I make a Biblical defense for the 40 Year transition period (AD30-AD70) in fulfillment of the Millennial period. "

1/2/12:

  • 2012 Plans for Samuel Frost:

"With the planned DVD release of my interview with Dr. Talbot in February, and the upcoming debate with Joel McDurmon and Don Preston, we can add my planned book on refuting Full Preterism from the inside out. I have decided to write “what I know” of the nine years I spent as a premiered Full Preterist speaker and author. It will be a tour de force primer on how to defeat Full Preterism in your local communities and online." http://thereignofchrist.com/new-year/

Patrick Stone's Idealist Preterism Chart

  • Former Full Preterists: Sam Frost - Full Preterism Refuted (2011)"On Sovereign Grace Preterism, Christian Ortiz posted (an) article from his Pastor. James Metzger posted as response as well. The pastor’s response is actually pretty solid, laying out the basic differences. The major point at which scholars would disagree is concerning Jesus’ reference to “this generation”

  • Former Full Preterists: Sam Frost - Degrading the Gospel (2011) "It is a stated dogma of Full Preterism: history, procreation, cannot ever, ever, ever, ever end. There can be no “may” or “it might”, or any inference that God “may” according to some inforeseen plan that is known only to him end history or procreation. There is no “may.” Siegle and Green mean, very clearly, that history and procreation is infinite. The Bible teaches this, they say. It is a necessary, logically deduced conclusion derived from the other aspects of Full Preterist doctrine."

  • Michael Bull: Bible Matrix II: The Covenant Key  - Free PDF of the Preface, Introduction and first two chapters of The Covenant Key. / "the five-fold Covenant model of the Torah made a hyperpreterist interpretation of Revelation 20-22 impossible."


FIGHTING FOR SUPREMACY: AD30/33 VS. AD68/70
(AND DON'T FORGET AD 312 or 135 or 79)

Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones "Christ is fulfilling the law on the cross, and unless you interpret the cross, and Christ's death upon it, in strict terms of the fulfilling of the law you have not the scriptural view of the death upon the cross."  (Studies in the Sermon on the Mount, p. 168)

AD70 Storyline Fundamentally Different



IS 1618 USAGE OF "PRETERPERFECT" IN DISTINGUISHING PAST FULFILLMENT PRECURSOR TO 19TH C. TERM "PRETERISM"?

David Pareus (1618) "The Angell saith.. is come, for, shall certainly come, by an usuall Enallage of the preterperfect tense instead of the future." (p 342)

"What Pareus refers to as "preterperfect" is in a modern grammar the second aorist active indicative. The "dramatic" aorist states a result "on the point of being accomplsihed" with the emphatic "certitude of a past event," although the aorist has "no essentian temporal significance" (John Charles Hawley ; Dana and Mantey 1955: 198, 193)


G.L. Stone

The Testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy;

or, All pure prophecy terminated in the Advent of Christ and the establishment of Christianity

G.L. Stone - "It may as well be stated also here, that the Professor (Samuel Lee) appears to have been more indebted to Calvin than he seemed to be aware of; while the valuable labours of Grotius and Hammond — indeed, it may be added, of Bossuet and Calmet—immensely helped towards the same conclusion."



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Former Full Preterists

Sam Frost's "Why I Left Full Preterism" Book

AD70 Resurrection Fundamentally Different / The Best Eschatology is a Proper Christology

"Preterism's focus on the glory of Christ as He was revealed in that day is capable of bringing about another worldwide reformation, as it did during the Roman Millennium."

Recanting Full Preterism: Abauzit  Townley  Desprez - "(Full) Preterism has a long history of adherents who recanted. Here are examined the works of three prominent men who embraced preterist or hyperpreterist views, but later recanted." (Abauzit, Townley, Desprez)

Scholars differ on what the Bible says about the End Times (2009) "The only views that qualify as unorthodox are those that deny a future coming of Christ" - Russell D. Moore, senior vice president for academic administration and dean of the theology school at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky. [PreteristArchive.com's classification for "Hyper Preterism" includes (quite reasonably) this doctrine of "The Second and Only Coming of Jesus in AD70"]

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Administrative: Simple Classification and Color Schemes Given to Distinguish Between Forms of Fulfillment Eschatology: 

Futurism (F) - (No Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 & Revelation in 1st C. - Types of Future Events Only)
 
Historical Preterism (HP) - (Minor Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 or Revelation in Past)
 
Modern Preterism (MP) - (Major Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 or Revelation in Past)
 

Hyper Preterism (HyP) - (Absolute Fulfillment of all Bible prophecy - Full Preterism and "Resurrection Past" Teachings; Full Preterism is systematized Hyper Preterism - All Full Preterism is Hyper Preterism, but not all Hyper Preterism is Full Preterism.) 

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AD70 is awesome!  ..when used as a template of how Jesus has worked, is working, and will work.  When seen as a single working 2,000 years ago... not so much.



FIGHTING FOR SUPREMACY: AD30/33 VS. AD68/70
(AND DON'T FORGET AD 312 or 135 or 79)

Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones "Christ is fulfilling the law on the cross, and unless you interpret the cross, and Christ's death upon it, in strict terms of the fulfilling of the law you have not the scriptural view of the death upon the cross."  (Studies in the Sermon on the Mount, p. 168)


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"Near" / "close" / "at hand" in the Old Testament

My righteousness is near; My salvation went out; and My arms shall judge peoples; coastlands shall wait on Me, and they shall hope on My arm. (Isa 51:5 LITV)

Vengeance and retribution belong to Me; in due time their foot will slip; for the day of their calamity is near, and the things prepared are hurrying for them. (Deu 32:35 LITV)

Alas for the day! For the day of Jehovah is at hand. And it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty. (Joe 1:15 LITV)

Blow a ram's horn in Zion, and shout an alarm in My holy mountain. Let all those living in the land tremble. For the day of Jehovah approaches; it is near, (Joe 2:1 LITV)

For the day of Jehovah is near on all the nations: As you have done, it shall be done to you; your reward shall return on your head! (Oba 1:15 LITV)


The Philip Mauro Library - 60 titles on one CD // The 27 Sieges of Jerusalem // Theology Explained

King James I (1588) "Of all the Scriptures, the buik of the Reuelatioun is maist meit for this our last age..  Iudge yif this be not ye tyme quhairof this place that I have maide chois of doeth meane, and sa ye dew tyme for the reueiling of this prophecie." (Ane fuitfull Meditatioun contening ane plane and facill exposition of ye 7,8,9 and 10 versis of the 20 Chap. of the Reuelatioun - Edinburgh)

Emperor Titus "God co-operates with us. -- Their miseries, by your valor and God's assistance, are multiplied. Their factions, famine, siege, and the falling of their walls without a battery, do they not manifest that God is angry with them, and assists us?" (Jewish Wars, l. vi. c. 1. 5.)

 

New 18th Century Modern Preterist: The Hugely Influential Gregory Sharpe, Chaplain to King George III and "Master" of the famed Temple Church


ARTchive Churban

James Edson White - The Coming King (1911)

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The Contribution of British Writers Between 1560 and 1830 to the Interpretation of Revelation 13.16-18 - Chapter Five : 1649-1660 - Henry Hammond and the Preterist School of Interpretation "This volume contained a brave but lonely attempt to introduce the preterist interpretation of the Book of Revelation to English soil.  Hammond laid great stress on the opening words of the Apocalypse in which  the book is said to contain 'things which must shortly come to pass.'  .. But those who argued for the preterist interpretation of the Book of Revelation.. were playing to empty galleries, until at least the fourth decade of the nineteenth century.  Their views were anything but popular and those who followed them could soon find themselves branded with the infamous mark of the papal beast."  Others who followed: Herbert Thorndike / "author of an anonymous tract on the Millennium published in 1693 ("Millennianism : or, Christ's Thousand Years Reign upon Earth, considered, in a Familiar Letter to a Friend")"  / Daniel Mace

 

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    Full Preterist Millennium "violent and unnatural" "Some interpreters indeed attempt to get over the difficulty by supposing that the thousand years, being a symbolic number, may represent a period of very short duration, and so bring the whole within the prescribed apocalyptic limits; but this method of interpretation appears to us so violent and unnatural that we cannot hesitate to reject it. " (p. 514)

    Revelation 20:5-10 Still Unfulfilled "We must consequently regard this prediction of the loosing of Satan, and the events that follow, as still future, and therefore unfulfilled." (p. 523)


 

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