Preterism in A.D. 611 :
Andrew of Caesarea -
6:14b-17: "Our Lord foretold the future events to the apostles
who were asking about the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem and
about the end of time, as much as they were able to receive. These
things already happened, in the siege of Vespasian and Titus, to the
Judeans who killed Christ, just as Josephus the Hebrew narrates."
Relations and the Book of Revelation
Full Preterist: 1996-2006;
Russian President Putin on "the Apocalypse" - "It
will all end in 4.5 billion years," Putin said. "The Sun's [nuclear
reaction] will end, but before that it will turn into a White Dwarf ...
I don’t believe the world will end this year."
Final expectation of Oneida Preterist - "I am now
going to read some verses which are intended to indicate my feelings at
the moment of leaving this world. If set to music they may be rendered
very effective.. I wrote it this morning about ten o'clock "Final
expectation of Oneida Preterist - "I am now going to read some verses
which are intended to indicate my feelings at the moment of leaving this
world. If set to music they may be rendered very effective.. I wrote it
this morning about ten o'clock "
12/19/12: Huff Post,
Michael Meade, D.H.L.
Why the World Doesn't End "While the raw energies of
life may become uncovered and the troubles of the world may intensify,
there is a simultaneous possibility that hidden meanings might become
revealed and new ways of proceeding become discovered. Part of the
revelation of the end-times is that things do not actually end
altogether. The "world as we know it" may come to an end; that has
happened many times before. Yet the fiery conclusion of all of creation,
so greatly feared and seemingly near at hand, never quite arrives. The
final judgment keeps being postponed and the literal end of time remains
an unfulfilled prediction. "
Cambridge Digital Library Texts "THE NASH PAPYRUS,
along with lots of other textual goodies, has been digitized and placed
online in the Cambridge Digital Library"
12/16/12: APC -
Coming and Preterism "The official website of the
American Presbyterian Church on the subject of Preterism - "We cannot
interpret these chapters of the taking of Jerusalem by Antiochus
Epiphanes in 168 B. C. or by the Romans in 70 A. D. In these calamitous
events God did not in the person of the Messiah visibly appear (Matt
24:30 see the Son of man) on the Mount of Olives with His angelic hosts
as the Deliverer of His people and the destroyer of many nations which
were gathered against them; nor was the spirit of grace and supplication
then or ever yet poured out upon the Jewish nation, so that they might
look upon and recognize Him whom they have pierced; nor has the Lord, as
the son of David, from any of those past events onward, become King over
the whole earth; not to mention many other great and solemn events which
are predicted in these chapters. The former had no beginning; the latter
has. These events cannot be allegorized or explained away."
12/14/12: Preterism Review
Did Fitzmeyer and Bruce endorse the early date for Revelation?
Apostolic Wall of Shame "However, there are some
areas that we don’t necessarily HAVE to agree on. These are called
personal convictions in most cases. There are also some areas that are
still a mystery, especially in regards to the End Times. I personally do
not believe the preterist view that the Second Coming of Christ has
happened. It doesn’t make sense to me. I personally believe in the
Pre-Tribulation. But, I could be wrong. However, whether other
Apostolics believe Preterism, Partial Preterism, Pre-Trib, Post-Trib…
It’s irrelevant to me. That person is still my brother or sister."
Another Year, Another Would-Be Apocalypse
"Apocalypses use images of end times as a way of shaping present action.
John, for instance, wanted his audience to reject claims of political
“beasts” that promise wealth, status and luxury, and to imagine the
possibility of becoming a community, a “New Jerusalem,” marked by divine
compassion and the healing of nations."
The Dispensational View of Double Fulfillment of Prophecy
"So, Joel McDurmon and Gentry (and we could add DeMar and other
postmillennialists to the list) are on record as rejecting the Dispensational
“double fulfillment” view of prophecy. So after rejecting and condemning
the Dispensationalists for positing the Double Fulfillment of prophecy,
McDurmon not only affirmed Double Fulfillment, he affirmed Many
12/7/12: Alan Kurschner -
A Response to the Preterist Interpretation of "This Generation" in
Mayan Apocalypse - Panic Spreads
12/6/12: Jason King:
The Problem of Preterism - Hyperactivity "I, for one,
am sick and tired of having to explain to futurists that I'm not of one
of the above schools of "hyper" preterism, that I'm actually just
"borderline" Full Preterist.
12/4/12: David Midkiff -
Matthew 24: Christ’s Precise Prophecy of the Destruction of Jerusalem
("After completing a tour of service in the United States Air Force as
an Aircraft Electrician, I went to school and completed a B.A. in
International Relations as well as Masters level coursework in Applied
Linguistics." Now a preacher at First Free Methodist Church in Spokane,
12/4/12: Sam Frost:
Why I Left Preterism (2012) Excerpted citations and
reviews archived below. (Just bought the pdf and am amazed at the level
of scholarly substance laying out the unintended consequences of Full
The world must be filled with the presence of Christ:
“because by His death and resurrection
Jesus has already accomplished that transformation of humanity and of the
cosmos that is the final goal of creation.” // “This permanent coming of the
Lord in the proclamation of the Gospel requires our continual collaboration;
and the Church, which is like the Betrothed, the promised Bride of the
crucified and risen Lamb of God (cfr. Rev. 21,9), in communion with her Lord
collaborates in this coming of the Lord, in which His glorious return is
Jesus was born years earlier than thought claims Pope
“Then the Son of Man will come upon the clouds in the sky
with great power and glory” (13:26). The “Son of Man” is Jesus himself,
who links the present with the future; the ancient words of the prophets
have finally found a center in the person of the Messiah of Nazareth: he
is the central event that, in the midst of the troubles of the world,
remains the firm and stable point.
For this reason Jesus does not describe the end of the world and when he
uses apocalyptic images he does not conduct himself like a “visionary.”
On the contrary, he wants to take away the curiosity of his disciples in
every age about dates and predictions and wishes instead to give them a
key to a deep, essential reading, and above all to indicate the right
path to take, today and tomorrow, to enter into eternal life. Everything
passes – the Lord tells us – but God’s Word does not change, and before
this Word each of us is responsible for his conduct. It is on this basis
that we will be judged."
New Resource: Gallica.fr - Search term "Jerusalem"
January 5, 2013:
Ft. Myers, Florida - Formal Debate: Sam Frost (Former
Full Preterist) and Michael Miano (Hyper
Miano / Frost Debate Website //
Sam Frost's "Why I Left Full Preterism" Book
The End of Prophecy in A.D. 70 "In teaching
Revelation last year and preaching it at the Winema Week of Missions
last summer, I have talked about this new preterism (what I call neo-preterist).
The usual response: people can’t believe this
Mayan Doom-sayers are hurting the children
Kingdom through Covenant: A (dispensational) Review
"Two profs from Southern Seminary published a biblical theology earlier
this year that “fell like a bomb on the playground of the [biblical]
theologians,” particularly disrupting the contented play of those of us
hailing from either one of the two traditional camps—i.e.,
dispensational and covenant theology. In it the authors, one a
systematician (Stephen Wellum) and the other an OT scholar (Peter
Gentry), argue for a middle way between these traditional polarities,
calling their view progressive covenantalism."
Israel and prophecy writers are in the news again
"Contrary to dispensationalism’s future
holocaust, preterists believe that Jesus predicted that a great tribulation
would take place within a generation of the prophetic discourse He gave on
the Mount of Olives. For forty years, Jesus’ disciple preached the gospel
throughout the Roman Empire warning Jews everywhere of the coming judgment.
Those living in Judea at the time were warned to flee before the judgment.
Just like Jesus predicted, the judgment of Jerusalem came by way of the
Roman armies led by Titus. Those who heeded Jesus’ warning survived."
11/20/12: American Vision -
"The Christians just want us to be there so we can be slaughtered and
converted and bring on the second coming of Jesus Christ. The worst
possible allies for the Jewish state are the fundamentalist Christians
who want Jews to die and convert so they can bring on the second coming
of their Lord. It is a false friendship. They are seeking their own ends
and not ours. I don’t believe the fundamentalists urging a greater
Israel are friends of the Jewish state." (Mark Alan Siegel, then
chairman of Florida’s Palm Beach County Democratic Party)
Joel McDurmon "On July 19‒21 of this year, I engaged in a three-day
debate event with full (hyper-) preterist Don Preston. Knowing that that
movement is tiny, almost insignificant, filled with various types and
degrees of troublemakers, and that the benefits of engaging it would
likely be minimal, many people asked me why in the world I would invest
my time and energy like that."
We shall all be changed a critique of full preterism
What is Preterism? What is the difference between the various views of
Preterism? The McDurmon-Preston debate along with Dr. McDurmon's study
companion will answer these questions and more.
A new book, The Book of Truth Volume One, claims to contain divine
messages from Jesus Christ given to the author warning of the end times
which are near.
Is This the final move towards the destruction of Jerusalem?
"As the conflict escalates between Israel and Gaza, one cannot help but
wonder if this will turn into the final, decisive conflict." November
Eusebius of Caesarea: Gospel Problems and Solutions // Roger Pearse,
editor "Ever since the four gospels were first collected together,
Christians have asked why they diverge in some respects. Why is the
genealogy in Matthew different to that in Luke? Why is there more than
one ending for Mark? In 320 AD Eusebius, Bishop of Caesarea, wrote one
of the first collections of such 'questions' and gave scholarly answers
to them. Because of his early date, his answers are of great interest to
scholars and general readers alike. A few snippets of the work have been
translated into English in the past, but this volume is the first ever
translation into English of all the material that has reached us today.
is a serious position within the Evangelical community. For you
disbelievers (including my students) I have included a picture of
their booth at the Evangelical Theological Society meeting in
Milwaukee, where I am today. I did not just make this stuff up."
Samuel Frost (Former
16:27-28 "Supposedly, these verses go a long way in demonstrating
the Hyper Preterist contention that all prophecy was fulfilled in AD
70... However, if it is conceded that these verses do, in fact, teach
the idea that the Son of Man’s “coming in his kingdom” is to be related solely, that is, exclusively to
the razing of Jerusalem in the Jewish War of 66-70 AD, then the Hyper
Preterist thinks he or she has virtually demonstrated the point that all
prophecy was fulfilled by this time."
The History of the Works of the Learned, Or, An Impartial Account of
Books Lately Printed in All A review of
LeClerc's Latin Hammond, from 1699
The History of Rome, from its earliest period to the death of Vespasian
"From all this it is clear, that the civilized nations of the present
day have reason to thank Providence that their fate was not cast in
ancient Rome; as the most defective of them confer more civil and
substantial freedom, than was ever known to that haughty dictatoress of
nations, Rome - the once imperial mistress of the world." (1853)
Scribe links Qumran and Masada "More than 50 Dead Sea Scroll
manuscripts were copied by the same scribe. The 54 manuscripts came from
six different caves: Qumran Caves 1, 2, 3, 4, 6 and 11. Even more
surprising, Yardeni identified the same scribal hand in a manuscript of
the Joshua Apocryphon found 30 miles south of Qumran at the famous
desert fortress of Masada, the last holdout in the Jewish revolt against
Farrar "Consolidating some book boxes this morning, I ran across my
10th edition copy of the 1898 "end times" novel "Darkness and Dawn (or
Scenes in the Days of Nero): An Historic Tale" by Archdeacon and Canon
of Westminster Frederic W. Farrar. I suspect it's superior in all
manners to Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins' "Left Behind" series. Let's
Todd, I miss our Pasadena book binges!"
Revere Franklin Weidner:
Annotations on the Revelation of St John, the Divine (Chicago
Lutheran: 1898) "There is some difficulty in determining the date of the
Apocalypse. The majority of modern critical historians and commentators,
diverse as may be their views on other points, agree in this, that the
Apocalypse, no matter by whom written, was composed between the death of
Nero (June 9, 68 A.D.) and the destruction of Jerusalem (August 10, 70
F.F. Bruce (1910–1990) Study Archive
familiar with the
Apocalypse of John?
John's Revelation - “And there were noises and thundering
and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such
a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on
the earth.” (16:18)
Josephus - “for there broke out a prodigious storm in the
night, with the utmost violence, and very strong winds, with the
largest showers of rain, with continued lightnings, terrible
thunderings, and amazing concussions and bellowings of the
earth, that was in an earthquake. These things were a
manifest indication that some destruction was coming upon men, when
the system of the world was put into this disorder; and any one
would guess that these wonders foreshowed some grand calamities that
were coming” (“Wars of the Jews” 4:4:5)
John's Revelation - "Now the great city was divided
into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And great
Babylon was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the
wine of the fierceness of His wrath.” (16:19)
Josephus - “it so happened that the sedition at Jerusalem
was revived, and parted into three factions, and that one
faction fought against the other; which partition in such evil cases
may be said to be a good thing, and the effect of divine justice.”
John's Revelation - “And great hail from heaven fell upon men,
each hailstone about the weight of a talent.” (16:21)
Josephus - “Now the stones that were cast were
of the weight of a talent, and were carried two furlongs and
further. The blow they gave was no way to be sustained, not only by
those that stood first in the way, but by those that were beyond
them for a great space. As for the Jews, they at first watched the
coming of the stone, for it was of a white color, and could
therefore not only be perceived by the great noise it made, but
could be seen also before it came by its brightness;” (5:6:3)
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Quoted in Heaven Upon Earth "But the famous Kindome of Christ and
Christians began moe years then one thousand five hundred agon..
Therefore the notable binding of Satan began one thousand five hundred
years agon, and therefore is past long before our time." (Christs
Kindome on Earth, p. 72)
the End "Mark 13:30, which foretells that 'this generation will not
pass away before all these things take place', does indeed pose a
problem for eschatological interpretations, since it is unclear how this
saying could stand for anything else than an expected fulfillment of
events during the lifetime of 'this generation', i.e. contemporaries of
Jesus and his followers."
Isidore of Pelusium (d. approx. 436) "If you have a mind to know
what punishment the wicked Jews underwent, who ill-treated the Christ,
read the history of their destruction, writ by Josephus, a Jew indeed,
but a lover or truth, that you may see the wonderful story, such as no
time ever saw before since the beginning of the world, nor ever shall
be." (1965's Nostra Aetate document removed Jewish Guilt from Catholic
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Bunsen and Wordsworth on the Date of the Apocalypse (1855) Intense
debate between brilliant scholars from different fields on the issue of
the early dating of the Book of Revelation. (Bunsen is cited by Bahnsen
and Gentry as a source -- but how well do his arguments fare?)
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An Exposition of the 39 Articles of the Church of England (1700)
Art. 22 "Others at the same time were daubing with a profane mixture,
both of Judaism and Gentilism, joining these with some of the precepts
of Christianity; a day would soon appear, which probably is meant of the
destruction of Jerusalem, and of the Jewish Nation"
Allies for Armageddon (2007) "For armies of eager decoders of
bible prophecy, the signing of the Balfour Declaration and General
Allenby's conquest of Jerusalem had little to do with righting a
historic injustice or with winning the war, but everything to do with
Jesus's Second Coming." (p. 123)
Armageddon - "Israeli Arab Knesset official warned of “Armageddon”
if the United Nations does not intervene. “If the U.N. does not mobilize
to stop this erosion, it will be Armageddon,” MK Talab el-Sana told the
Israeli paper. "
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Apocalypse (1831) "The opinion, that the book of Revelation refers
to the Jewish church and polity, and was all fulfilled in the apostolic
age, appears to be gaining ground in our denomination. But we should not
hastily embrace any new theory without carefully examining its various
parts, and comparing them with the sacred text. In avoiding the errors
and extremes of Orthodoxy, there is a danger that we run into the
extremes of Heterodoxy." (investigating further to see if the writings
of "J.W.H." represent earliest expression of full preterism)
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Tertullian Against the Jews "Tertullian seems to return to the topic
at hand - the fulfillment of those events that were prophesied to take
place after the Christ had been on earth. One would expect him to have
examined the fulfillent of the prophecies about the fall of Jerusalem,
yet he did not. Instead he turned his attention to other events that
were to take place in the aftermath of the coming of the Christ.. yet
only after that did he return to the significance of the fulfillment of
the prophecy about the fall of Jerusalem."
Google Ebook -
End of Days: Essays on the Apocalypse from Antiquity to Modernity
(2009) "The idea of the complete annihilation of all life is a powerful
and culturally universal concept. As human societies around the globe
have produced creation myths, so too have they created narratives
concerning the apocalyptic destruction of their worlds. This book
explores the idea of the apocalypse and its reception within culture and
society, bringing together 17 essays which explore both the influence
and innovation of apocalyptic ideas from classical Greek and Roman
writings to the foreign policies of the contemporary United States. The
book begins with an essay which serves as a microcosm for the remaining
collection, exploring the points of convergence and divergence among
medieval Christian and contemporary secular apocalyptic ideas. The first
half of the book invites readers to explore ancient, medieval, early
modern, and modern popular conceptions of the apocalypse. The second
half focuses on the continuance of apocalyptic expectations and how they
are understood within the realms of contemporary politics and popular
Free TheWord module - Holford, George Peter - The Destruction of
Jerusalem "Originally, this work had no chapters and no headings.
The chapter divisions and headings have been inserted by the uploader
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OCR mistakes that existed in all the online texts were corrected. Some
spelling was updated, and the book was tooltipped."
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To the Preterists... 1880 "To the Preterists - The position I take
as a Futurist has not been, so far as I am aware, assailed, and because
I deem it impregnable, I shall be glad if some preterist will disclose
to me, its weak point, if it has one." - Nathaniel Starkey, 1880
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A Reply to Nathaniel Starkey by T. May (1880) - "Mr Nathaniel
Starkey, in the January Rainbow, wishes a preterist to reply to his note
on the 5th chapter of Revelation. Would you kindly allow me a short
Was 70 CE a Watershed in History?
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An amicable Controversy with a Jewish Rabbi (1832) "The abrogation
of the law, and the promulgation of the Gospel, are foreshewn under the
types of the Old and the New Jerusalem; which symbolically signify the
Old and New Covenant, the one abolished and the other established, in
reality at the coming of Christ, but ostensibly at the destruction of
the city and temple, which is probably on this account employed
symbolically, to represent the spiritual change." (p. 135)
Position Paper #1: The Olivet Discourse "We can all agree that the
material here includes the razing of Jerusalem by the Roman armies in
the Jewish War of 66-70 A.D. The question before us is, Can all of the
gathered materials in the Gospel discourses exclude further future
descriptions post 70 A.D.?" (Launching a new scholarly direction with
regard to meanings.. Well worth the subscription cost.)
Surprised by Hope - "Nor will it do to say, as do some who grasp
that part of the point but have not worked it through, that the events
of A.D. 70 were themselves the second coming of Jesus so that ever
signce then we have been living in God's new age and there is no further
coming to wait. This may seem to many readers, as indeed it seems to me,
a bizarre position to hold, but there are some who not only hold it but
also eagerly propagate it and use some of my arguments to support it."
Preterism: Is Revelation Fulfilled?
Keep Dreaming: Imagining the Prophecy Come True JPost: "Unlike
other rituals specified in the Torah that we have been enjoined to
perform for eternity, the observance of the four fasts relating to the
devastation of Jerusalem are ultimately to be suspended. “The fast of
the fourth month and the fast of the fifth and the fast of the seventh
and the fast of the tenth shall become for the house of Judah delight
and gladness and joyful seasons,” prophesied Zechariah, who continued:
“therefore love ye truth and peace.”
July 19, 2012: On the first night Don will take the affirmative on the
resolution, “The Bible teaches that the final, end of the age coming of
Christ and the attendant resurrection from the dead, occurred at the time of
the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70.” Joel will take the negative.
July 20, 2012: The very next night, they will switch roles: Joel
McDurmon will affirm the resolution, “The Bible teaches a future return
of Christ with an attendant resurrection of the dead.” Preston will
argue the negative.
July 21, 2012: Finally, on Saturday morning, Joel and Don will both
field questions for a full two hour Q&A session.
http://metrobibleblog.wordpress.com/category/mark/ "The fig tree is
withered – Jesus has replaced Israel as the blessing; the mountain will
be removed – Jesus has preplaced the Temple as the place of sacrifice
and worship for ALL people. In 70 A.D. the temple actually was destroyed
as Jesus predicted (Mark 13:1-2, see other posts about the Temple)."
Former Full Preterists
- Bryan E. Lewis, former pastor of Full Preterist Church; Second Don Preston
Webmaster to leave the fold.
"Absolutely, full-preterism is not orthodox. 1] no basic
orthodox belief within Christianity has ever allowed for a second Advent in A.
D. 70. 2] No basic orthodox belief within Christianity has ever allowed for any
other type of resurrection than a bodily one. 3] all historical basic orthodox
beliefs within Christianity speak of the universal, personal judgment of all
men, not of a representative judgment in A. D. 70."
Remembering Jerusalem's destruction "Welcome to Beit Katros - the home of an important family of priests who served
in the Second Temple and are mentioned in the Talmud. Visitors to the restored
ancient site are in for a unique experience: a gripping multimedia, sound and
light show dramatically recreates the fall of Jerusalem and destruction of the
Second Temple against the backdrop of the social strife and fraternal division
that undermined the foundations of the Jewish nation."
Don't you fret about the end of the world Philip Schroeder,
San Antonio Preterist "There are people today, who spend all their time
with a Bible in one hand and their newspaper in the other, worrying
about the future so much that they are doing nothing to improve the
destruction of Jerusalem | French & Catholic If “Jews originally celebrated Passover on the first full moon following the
vernal equinox” and if “Christians, therefore, celebrated Easter on the first
Sunday after the first full moon following the vernal equinox”, it should be
quite easy to determine on what day of a particular year Easter would fall
according to the aforementioned method of determination that I’ll call the
ΠΡΩΪ: a preterist view of the zombie apocalypse "At that
moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The
earth shook, the rocks split and the tombs broke open. The bodies of
many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the
tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared
to many people. (Matt 27:51-53)"
Christ the King and Preterism- Historical Preterism "If Christ has already destroyed all His enemies in the first-century, and death
is the last enemy, then there would be no distinction between the Church and the
world; all people would be born free from spiritual death and the corruption of
original sin. Although the theological arguments seem to suffice, a closer
exegetical look at the Word of God is in order."
Hyper: Mike Bennett -
Resurrection and the Levirate Marriage Law "what laws regarding marriage were in place at the time that
JESUS said that. THE LEVIRATE MARRIAGE LAW (giving of ones wife to a relative
when you die physically) which was a Mosaic law. Therefore, either we should be
practicing that law, or the resurrection occurred. Again, Jesus did not say that
this law was not in place still, when the question was asked, He just answered
that the physically dead (when resurrected) do not have to marry again. This
ties the resurrection with the end of the Mosaic law." (This point is why
determining the precise timing for the end of the Mosiac Law is so very
Interpreting Revelation – Preterism "I certainly think that the apocalyptic events of A.D. 70 are in the background
of the book. But does the fall of Jerusalem (or Roman persecutions) exhaust the
value of the book? The book claims to be prophecy as well as apocalyptic – if
the book was “entirely fulfilled” in A.D. 70, is there anything in the book for
the future?" ("this is that" for sure.. but does that mean "ONLY this is that"?)
Hyper Preterist “Don’t” Come Forth by Paul Gates "So, why does the Hyperpreterist claim death is a normal part of the human
condition, whereas Christ Jesus recognized it as abnormal? Why do
hyperpreterists dismiss as “natural”, (physical/biological death), that which
caused Christ to become “angry”? Based on the hyperpreterist view of eschatology
Christ Jesus should have said, “Lazarus “DON’T” come forth!”
Orosius: Book 7 - Christian History "After (B) the capture
and overthrow of Jerusalem, as the prophets had foretold, and after the
total destruction of the Jewish nation, Titus, who had been appointed by
the decree of God to avenge (A) the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ,
celebrated with his father Vespasian his victory by a triumph and closed
the Temple of Janus." (Thanks, David Fish!)
Triablogue: "Evangelical" preterism Steve "Gentry says the futurist interpretation renders the prophecies of
Revelation irrelevant to the 1C generation of readers. But by parity of
argument, the preterist interpretation renders the prophecies irrelevant to
later generations. If what was future to them (the original audience) is past to
us, then they are anticlimactic to us. That’s passé. Not something we look
forward to. Not something that changes our current situation."
Sam Frost -
An Easy Way to Defeat a Hyper Preterist: Part 2 "We may certainly argue that “the death is destroyed” (καταργήσαντος
μὲν τὸν θάνατον – 2 Tim 1.10). But, this is only in consideration of the powers
in submission to Christ, the man. “death no longer has dominion over him in that
he no longer dies.” This is due to his resurrection. Notice, too, that the
aorist used in 2 Tim 1.10 is before AD 70. Jesus destroyed “the death” at the
cross and resurrection. He nailed it to the cross. He made an open show of it.
Death was defeated when Jesus came out of that tomb. "
Leithart.com | Gage on John and Revelation "One of the main themes of Gage's talks was the identity of the whore of
Babylon. His talks were radically preterist, as he described the theme of
Revelation as the transformation of the whore into the bride, of the fallen old
Israel into a beautiful new Israel. "
12-21-2012 Just Another Day 12-21-12 is just the end of the Mayan calendar cycle, as December 31st is "the
end" of our calendar cycle for the year
Harold Camping: I Won't Predict Apocalypse Again "America's
favorite doomsday prophet issued a belated apology letter yesterday,
admitting he was wrong about the rapture coming on May 21 . (No specific
mention of his subsequent prediction"
12-21-2012 Just Another Day 12-21-12 is just the end of the
Mayan calendar cycle, as December 31st is "the end" of our calendar
cycle for the year
HAVE THE PROPHECIES IN REVELATION 17–18 ABOUT BABYLON BEEN FULFILLED?
(PDF) Andrew Woods - "neither Rome’s alliance with Israel,
Rome’s revival, or Rome’s seven hills argue convincingly that a
relationship between Jerusalem and Rome in AD 66–70 is portrayed in
Revela- tion 17:3b, 8–9, 11. Thus neither the prophetic information
regard- ing Babylon’s harlotry nor her alliance with the beast is
sufficient to equate the Babylonian harlot with first-century Jerusalem.
" (BIBLIOTHECA SACRA 169 (January–March 2012): 79–100) PDF FILE
John 2:13-22: Where Can God Be Found? Matthew Skinner -
"Most historians conclude that the execution of Jesus was a consequence
of -- perhaps among other things -- words he spoke criticizing the
Temple in Jerusalem and its leadership. It appears some sort of
demonstration he performed in the temple precinct was also part of the
Revisiting Preterism: Careless Biblical Interpretation
"Recently at the local church, it was the preterist idea that Hebrews
12:26 (“At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised,
“Yet once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens.”)
is only symbolic, figurative apocalyptic language and is actually
talking about what happened in the 1st century, the change of
administration at the cross followed by the destruction of Jerusalem in
Robotic Examination of New 'Jesus Tomb' Creates Archeological
Controversy "The robot arm has discovered a set of
limestone Jewish ossuaries or "bone boxes" inside the tomb that have
carved on them a rare Greek inscription and an image that some scholars
suggest is uniquely Christian. The Greek inscription refers to God
"raising someone up" and the image is that of a fish in the mouth of a
human stick figure, which is interpreted to represent the biblical story
of Jonah. The Jonah image has also been found in Christian catacombs in
Rome and is thought to symbolize resurrection.
The tomb has been dated at being before 70 AD"
Elaine Pagels on the Book of Revelation "Pagels then shows
that Revelation, far from being meant as a hallucinatory prophecy, is
actually a coded account of events that were happening at the time John
was writing. It’s essentially a political cartoon about the crisis in
the Jesus movement in the late first century, with Jerusalem fallen and
the Temple destroyed and the Saviour, despite his promises, still not
The Christian remembrancer; or, The Churchman's Biblical, ecclesiastical
& literary miscellany English translation of Theodoret's
commentary on Romans 1-8 ; Pages 34, 93, 158, 231, 291, 349, 407, 480,
608, 671, and 734. (thanks to Roger Pearse for pointing it out)
Preterism, Historism and Futurism - defining our terms - Christian
Doctrine Discussion, Debate Forum I would like to take a
few moments of your time to explain the difference between preterism,
historism and futurism as I understand them.
Off Target: 18 bull's-eye exposés This book asks readers to
ponder this tough and challenging question: Have we Christians been led
astray by our own leaders; dumbed down in our theology by ideas,
interpretations, teachings, doctrines of men, and traditions that will
not stand up to an honest and sincere test of Scripture
Certainly sure, and sometimes near- Historical Preterism
Ken Palmer - "μέλλω cannot solely be attributed to a short or a nearness
of time, but rather a certainty, and is dictated by the context, or
adjacent terms that construct the theme in which is being discussed.
This study was performed as an exhaustive commentary (not exegesis) on
the term μέλλω, so that the preterist can tread carefully in the areas
of study of this certain term."
The Jewish New Testament "Essentially, it’s a copy of the
New Revised Standard Version of the NT, with introductions to each NT
writing and a running commentary on the contents of each writing (with
“sidebars” on topics deemed of particular interest or curiosity to
Scripture in light of "1st century history": Does studding Eschatology
for yourself really Matter? "doubt about the imminence of the Lord’s return is increasingly mixed with them
until around the middle of the second century when the Shepherd of Hermas thinks
he has found a solution and expresses it with great thoroughness and emphasis:
the Parousia-the Lord’s return-has been postponed for the sake of Christians
them selves. The building of the tower has not been stopped"
When was the Atonement Complete? "Some Preterists argue
Hebrew 9:24 teaches that Christ's atonement was not complete at Christ's
death, burial, and resurrection, and that the saints continued under the
debt of sin and the Old Law until AD 70. Does this view have any
validity? No. "
World will survive latest end-date "Madness about the world
ending this year has increased to the point where, if you Google
December 21, 2012, you get over two billion hits."
Beggars All: Reformation And Apologetics: Charles Spurgeon, Full-Preterism,
and Figurative Language "I would take a guess this quote
was taken from the Preterist Archive: C.H. Spurgeon. Those involved with
Preterism appear to look for anything written by anybody in regard to
A.D. 70 and the fall of Jerusalem (simply skim through the pages at the
Preterist Archive). The Preterist Archive (now partial preterist) takes
this quote without explaining the context." (First posted the quote in
its entirety in 1997. Also, the native theology at PreteristArchive.com
The Olivet Discourse Primitive Baptist: "Just as the budding of leaves on a fig tree signals that
summer is near, so these events will signal that ``the kingdom of God is nigh''.
In Lu 21:32, Jesus teaches that the generation that sees these signs will be the
generation that witnesses the fulfillment of redemptive history."
"This is in reference to my inquiry about Colonel H. Speed Wilson's $10,000
Rapture challenge. I finally tracked him down through his association with the
Lake Hamilton Bible Camp and from this latest email I received it appears that
the Colonel will acquiesce to remit the $10,000 posted to anyone who could prove
the the Rapture of the Church is supported by Scripture, I proved this and I'm
glad to say that as to him as well as my self it is all about the truth,
furthermore, the Preterist position on the Book of Revelations is the premise of
educated fools. There is knowledge to be learned on that website but it is of an
historical nature and as far as a spiritual nature it is bone without enough
meat on it to make a sick bird a bowl of soup." Sincerely, Donald LeFlore
U.S. Warns Israel on Strike U.S. defense leaders are
increasingly concerned that Israel is preparing to take military action
against Iran, over U.S. objections, and have stepped up contingency
planning to safeguard U.S. facilities in the region in case of a
Are “Full” aka Hyperpreterists "Binitarians"? "While
certainly there is a relationship between the Christ and the Spirit, and
while their functional roles overlap soteriologically, this, as Dr. Fee
points out, is a far cry from “Spirit Christology” wherein Christ and
the Spirit are one and the same. "
Forget 2012, expert says world ends in 500M years | CTV News
A Brief Critique of Dispensationalism - The following is a
brief, yet potent, argument against the errors of the Eschatological
doctrine commonly known as Dispensationalism by Richard Jones.
Free Online PDF Book by Full Preterist
Joe Michael Vincent II -
The Millennium: Past, Present or Future?
"Check out my new book on “The Millennium,” Past, Present, or
Future? Simply click on the image on the right to open the PDF document
and begin reading. I make a Biblical defense for the
40 Year transition period (AD30-AD70) in
fulfillment of the Millennial period. "
"With the planned DVD release of my interview with Dr. Talbot in February, and
the upcoming debate with Joel McDurmon and Don Preston, we can add my planned
book on refuting Full Preterism from the inside out. I have decided to write
“what I know” of the nine years I spent as a premiered Full Preterist speaker
and author. It will be a tour de force primer on how to defeat Full Preterism in
your local communities and online."
Patrick Stone's Idealist Preterism Chart
Former Full Preterists:
Sam Frost -
Full Preterism Refuted (2011)"On Sovereign Grace Preterism,
Christian Ortiz posted (an) article from his Pastor. James Metzger
posted as response as well. The pastor’s response is actually pretty
solid, laying out the basic differences. The major point at which
scholars would disagree is concerning Jesus’ reference to “this
Former Full Preterists:
Sam Frost -
Degrading the Gospel (2011) "It is a stated dogma of Full
Preterism: history, procreation, cannot ever, ever, ever, ever end.
There can be no “may” or “it might”, or any inference that God “may”
according to some inforeseen plan that is known only to him end history
or procreation. There is no “may.” Siegle and Green mean, very clearly,
that history and procreation is infinite. The Bible teaches this, they
say. It is a necessary, logically deduced conclusion derived from the
other aspects of Full Preterist doctrine."
Michael Bull: Bible Matrix II: The Covenant Key - Free PDF of the Preface, Introduction and first two chapters of
The Covenant Key. / "the five-fold Covenant model of the Torah made a
hyperpreterist interpretation of Revelation 20-22 impossible."
FIGHTING FOR SUPREMACY: AD30/33 VS. AD68/70
(AND DON'T FORGET AD
Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones "Christ is fulfilling the law on the
cross, and unless you interpret the cross, and Christ's death upon it, in
strict terms of the fulfilling of the law you have not the scriptural view
of the death upon the cross." (Studies in the Sermon on the Mount, p.
AD70 Storyline Fundamentally Different
Sam Frost -
Soul and Body
"This was the
answer given when asked if the Full Preterist view of the afterlife
means that pain, sorrow, sin, and evil will be done away with, and if we
have that now, then why can we not manifest the afterlife here in this
Former Full Preterists: Ken Palmer -
'Hyper' Preterism vs 'Hybrid' (Full) Preterism - A Question of Full
Christ's Second Coming and Unfulfilled Prophecies - Historicist.com
"A significant error, and the Scriptural responses to that
error, are found below. Some Preterists believe that although Christ did
come at Pentecost (33 AD) and 70 AD, He will make a final appearance at
the end of the world (age)"
Author Stands Up for Israel, Yet Claims it Has No Special Prophetic Role
- Christian Newswire "Publisher
Gerald Christian Nordskog points out that modern-day Israel does not
represent the chosen people of the Old Testament, which was divorced by
God in 70 AD through the Great Tribulation Destruction of Jerusalem and
the Jewish Temple by the Romans."
Riddleblog - Old Books and New Covers
IS 1618 USAGE OF "PRETERPERFECT" IN DISTINGUISHING PAST
FULFILLMENT PRECURSOR TO 19TH C. TERM "PRETERISM"?
David Pareus (1618) "The Angell saith.. is come, for,
shall certainly come, by an usuall Enallage of the preterperfect tense
instead of the future." (p 342)
"What Pareus refers to as "preterperfect" is in a modern grammar the second
aorist active indicative. The "dramatic" aorist states a result "on the
point of being accomplsihed" with the emphatic "certitude of a past event,"
although the aorist has "no essentian temporal significance" (John Charles
Hawley ; Dana and Mantey 1955: 198, 193)
The Testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy;
or, All pure prophecy terminated in the Advent of Christ and the
establishment of Christianity
G.L. Stone - "It may as well be stated also here, that the Professor (Samuel
Lee) appears to have been more indebted to Calvin than he seemed to be aware of;
while the valuable labours of Grotius and Hammond — indeed, it may be added, of
Bossuet and Calmet—immensely helped towards the same conclusion."
2011 Additions to PreteristArchive.com
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Former Full Preterists
Sam Frost's "Why I Left Full Preterism" Book
AD70 Resurrection Fundamentally Different /
The Best Eschatology is a
"Preterism's focus on the glory of Christ as He
was revealed in that day is capable of bringing about another worldwide
reformation, as it did during the Roman Millennium."
Recanting Full Preterism: Abauzit Townley Desprez
"(Full) Preterism has a long history of adherents who recanted. Here
are examined the works of
three prominent men who embraced preterist or hyperpreterist views, but
later recanted." (Abauzit,
Scholars differ on what the Bible says about the End Times
(2009) "The only views that qualify as unorthodox are those that deny a
future coming of Christ" - Russell D. Moore, senior vice president for
academic administration and dean of the theology school at Southern Baptist
Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky. [PreteristArchive.com's
classification for "Hyper Preterism" includes (quite reasonably) this
doctrine of "The Second and Only Coming of Jesus in AD70"]
The (New) History of Full Preterism (.WMV)
Fulfilled Prophecy Bibliography |
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Works Relating to Jews
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Google Books |
Bibliography of Judaism and Christianity | Rare
Books at DTS |
Archive.org Book Search : Apocalypse
Turpin Library (DTS)
Rare Online Books Collection
Simple Classification and Color Schemes Given to Distinguish Between Forms
of Fulfillment Eschatology:
Futurism (F) - (No Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 & Revelation in 1st
C. - Types of Future Events Only) |
Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 or Revelation in Past)
Modern Preterism (MP) -
(Major Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 or Revelation
in Past) |
- (Absolute Fulfillment of all Bible prophecy - Full Preterism
and "Resurrection Past" Teachings; Full Preterism is
systematized Hyper Preterism - All Full Preterism is Hyper
Preterism, but not all Hyper Preterism is Full Preterism.)
AD70 is awesome! ..when used as a template of how
Jesus has worked, is working, and will work. When seen as a single
working 2,000 years ago... not so much.
FIGHTING FOR SUPREMACY: AD30/33 VS. AD68/70
(AND DON'T FORGET AD
Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones
"Christ is fulfilling the law on the
cross, and unless you interpret the cross, and Christ's death upon it, in
strict terms of the fulfilling of the law you have not the scriptural view
of the death upon the cross." (Studies in the Sermon on the Mount, p.
Free Online Books :
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"at hand" in the Old Testament
My righteousness is near; My salvation went out; and My arms shall judge
peoples; coastlands shall wait on Me, and they shall hope on My arm. (Isa
Vengeance and retribution belong to Me; in due time their foot will slip;
for the day of their calamity is near, and the things prepared are hurrying
for them. (Deu 32:35 LITV)
Alas for the day! For the day of Jehovah is at hand. And it shall come as a
destruction from the Almighty. (Joe 1:15 LITV)
Blow a ram's horn in Zion, and shout an alarm in My holy mountain. Let all
those living in the land tremble. For the day of Jehovah approaches; it is
near, (Joe 2:1 LITV)
For the day of Jehovah is near on all the nations: As you have done, it
shall be done to you; your reward shall return on your head! (Oba 1:15 LITV)
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The 27 Sieges of Jerusalem //
King James I (1588) "Of all the Scriptures, the buik of
the Reuelatioun is maist meit for this our last age.. Iudge yif this
be not ye tyme quhairof this place that I have maide chois of doeth meane,
and sa ye dew tyme for the reueiling of this prophecie." (Ane fuitfull
Meditatioun contening ane plane and facill exposition of ye 7,8,9 and 10
versis of the 20 Chap. of the Reuelatioun - Edinburgh)
Emperor Titus "God
co-operates with us. -- Their miseries, by your valor and God's
assistance, are multiplied. Their factions, famine, siege, and the
falling of their walls without a battery, do they not manifest that
God is angry with them, and assists us?" (Jewish Wars, l. vi. c. 1.
New 18th Century
The Hugely Influential
George III and "Master" of the famed Temple Church
James Edson White -
Coming King (1911)
The Contribution of British Writers Between 1560 and 1830 to the
Interpretation of Revelation 13.16-18 -
Chapter Five : 1649-1660 - Henry Hammond and the Preterist School of
Interpretation "This volume contained a brave but lonely attempt to
introduce the preterist interpretation of the Book of Revelation to
English soil. Hammond laid great stress on the opening words of
the Apocalypse in which the book is said to contain 'things which
must shortly come to pass.' .. But those who argued for the
preterist interpretation of the Book of Revelation.. were playing to
empty galleries, until at least the fourth decade of the nineteenth
century. Their views were anything but popular and those who
followed them could soon find themselves branded with the infamous mark
of the papal beast." Others who followed: Herbert Thorndike /
"author of an anonymous tract on the Millennium published in 1693 ("Millennianism
: or, Christ's Thousand Years Reign upon Earth, considered, in a
Familiar Letter to a Friend")" / Daniel Mace
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BOOKS / SEARCHING...
Burlington, J.N. "Destruction of Jerusalem" (1807)
Butt, John Martin - The Revelation of St. John compared with itself, and the rest of Scripture
(1804) ; A Commentary on the Prophecy of Daniel relating to the 70 Weeks
(1807); A Commentary on the Last Vision of the Prophet Daniel (1808); The Divinity of the Apocalypse demonstrated by its fulfillment.
Clarke, Richard - A Discourse on the third day of the Gospel, compared with the seventh day of the Law. London
Clericus, Joan. Veteris Testamenti Prophetae ab Esaia ad Malachiam usque, ex translatione Joannis Clerici ; cum ejusdem commentario philologico &c. Amst. 1731
Cocceius, Joh. Prof. of Hebrew at Leyden. Comm. in prophetica Jeremiae et Ezekielis Amst. 1669.
Collyer, Wm. Bengo, D.D. -
Lectures on Scripture Prophecy. London 1811
Corrodi, Heinrich - A critical history of Chiliasm, or opinions respeecting the millennial reign of Christ. Zurich - First published anonymously in 1781.
Eichorn, Joh. Godf. - Commentarius in Apocalypsin Johannis. Gotting. 1791.
Faber, George Stanley. The Sacred Calendar of Prophecy. London 1828 (In this work, which is the last of Mr. Faber's of any importance, he abandons much of the interpretation which he had previously published)
Fehr, Sam. Benj. -
An introduction to the right understanding and use of the Revelation of St. John (or rather of Jesus Christ) ; and as to what relates to the past, sufficiently illustrated from ecclesiastical and secular history. (Ger.) Altenburg, 1761.
Greenhill, Jos. A.M. Rector of East Horsley -
An Essay on the prophecies of the New Testament which relate to the destruction of Jerusalem. Lodon. 1755.
Grotius, Hugo - Comm. ad loca quaedam Novi Test. Quae de Antichristo agunt aut agere putantur. Amst. 1640.
Lee, Samuel - Sermons and Dissertations. | Six sermons on the study of Holy Scriptures, their nature, interpretation, and some of their most important doctrines
Ranicar ; M.D. -
An amicable controversy with a Jewish Rabbi on the Messiah's coming.
A new exposition of the Apocalypse, so far as the prophecies are fulfilled ; to which are prefixed the history of Christianity epitomised
Rainolds, John D.D. - A discourse on the destruction of the Idumeans. 1584
Stockwood, John - A Sermon on the Destruction of Ierusalem - Printed by Tho. Dawson, 1584
Whiston, William -
The Accomplishment of Scripture prophecies
Schleifer - Abdullah -
The Fall of Jerusalem
Dobler, Friedrich -
Die Belagerung und Zerstörung Jerusalems im Jahre 70
James Stuart Russell
Preterist Millennium "violent and unnatural" "Some interpreters
indeed attempt to get over the difficulty by supposing that the
thousand years, being a symbolic number, may represent a period of
very short duration, and so bring the whole within the prescribed
apocalyptic limits; but this method of interpretation appears to us so violent and unnatural that we cannot hesitate to reject it.
" (p. 514)
20:5-10 Still Unfulfilled "We
must consequently regard this prediction of the loosing of Satan,
and the events that follow, as still future, and therefore
unfulfilled." (p. 523)