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J. Murray (1863)
"Alcasar, a Spanish Jesuit, taking a hint from Victorinus, seems to have
been the first (AD 1614) to have suggested that the Apocalyptic prophecies
did not extend further than to the overthrow of Paganism by Constantine.
This view, with variations by Grotius, is taken up and expounded by Bossuet,
Calmet, De Sacy, Eichhorn, Hug, Herder, Ewald, Moses Stuart, Davidson. The
general view of the school is that the Apocalypse described the triumph of
Christianity over Judaism in the first, and over Heathenism in the third
century." (A Dictionary of the Bible)
12/31/7:
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MP:
F.W. Farrar:
The History
of Interpretation
"He (Irenaeus) makes the highly questionable statement that the Apocalypse was not written till the reign of Domitian." (History, p. 176) -
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UP:
Thomas Whittemore:
Notes and Illustrations of the Parables of the New Testament "Some recent authors have expressed much surprise, that Universalists of the present day should apply so many passages of the New Testament to the destruction of Jerusalem. To name no other, Rev. Parsons Cooke speaks 'of the credulity of those who embrace the system of Universalism,' in believing 'that so large a part of the Bible should relate to the destruction of Jerusalem.' 'If ever I succeeded,' says he,' in digesting the monstrous absurdity, I would be honest enough to call things by right names, and label the New Testament, "JERUSALEM'S DESTRUCTION FORETOLD."
12/30/7:
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Former Full Preterists:
Rod Edwards
(9 year Full Pret) -
Interview with Gene Cook
on Unchained Radio /
Archives "A
lot of times, Full Preterists become Universalists." "When you add
all these things up together, with the Universalism, the
covenant creation, with the poor character, with the idea that the law
has been destroyed, it just got too much" "Between all of the
theological problems, and the textual problems, and the character
problems, I just cannot support that anymore."//
Gene Cook: "a lot of the
Full Preterists I've come in contact with .. they are strange, they are
just weird"
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Doomsday dEmEnTiA: Matthew Parris :
Apocalypse? Mmm, bring it on
(UK Times Online) "In the air is an unmistakable hint of apocalypse. As 2007
closes there is almost an appetite for the prospect that dreadful and
definitive events will occur and show us the error of our ways. How awful.
How delicious."
12/29/7: 12/28/7:
12/25/7:
12/23/7:
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MP:
Henry Cowles -
The Revelation of John :
With Notes (Cowles Reclassified)
On Revelation 13-19 "At this
stage of the discussion I need only say that, guided by these
limitations of time, by these points of character, and by these special
explanations, it is simply impossible to make any thing else of the
first beast save the Roman Empire--the civil power of the Roman
Emperors; while the second beast (v. II), judging from the description
given of him here, from his influence as sketched here, and also from
the further description of him which appears in chap. 16: 13, 14, and in
19: 20--" the false prophet that wrought miracles before him" [the first
beast] "with which he deceived them that had the mark of the beast,
etc., we must interpret to be the Pagan Priesthood--every-where
ministering to the idolatrous homage paid to the Roman Emperors;
every-where inspiring the animus of Paganism, and by virtue of their
character, naturally active in the persecution of Christians. Beyond all
question this second beast is co-ordinate and co-operative with the
first and therefore contemporaneous, doing its work at the same
time; receiving its final doom in the same fearful hour of judgment"
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PI: FP:
Preterist Spirituality : Is Preterist Idealism the Answer? "I intend to spend considerable time in the examination of those principles of interpretation related to this new “ism” among us–so-called “Preterist-Idealism.” In my judgment it is neither preterist nor idealist but rather the unholy wedlock of two opposing points of view."
12/22/7:
12/21/7:
12/18/7:
12/17/7:
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The
Urantia Book (1925-55) "Jesus paused while he looked down upon the city. The Master realized that the
rejection of the spiritual concept of the Messiah, the determination to cling
persistently and blindly to the material mission of the expected deliverer,
would presently bring the Jews in direct conflict with the powerful Roman
armies, and that such a contest could only result in the final and complete
overthrow of the Jewish nation. When his people rejected his spiritual bestowal
and refused to receive the light of heaven as it so mercifully shone upon them,
they thereby sealed their doom as an independent people with a special spiritual
mission on earth. Even the Jewish leaders subsequently recognized that it was
this secular idea of the Messiah which directly led to the
turbulence which eventually brought about their destruction. "
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12/11/7:
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StudyArchive:
MP:
Obadiah Tillotson
"Having made
these general remarks on the book of Revelation, I am now prepared to
state, that it is evident that Rev. 20 : 11-15 was fulfilled at the
destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman army."
12/10/7:
12/9/7:
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StudyArchive:
Heinrich Tholuck - Added commentary
John 21:21-23
"It only remains, then, to assume that the Redeemer came to that firm
belief of the immediate overthrow of Jerusalem, Matt. 24: 34, by a
sagacious inference, a conclusion of divination"
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2,000 Years of Josephus -
Reformatted with new form:
The Wars of
the Jews Library
ﻩ Exhaustive
Bibliography
ﻩ Visual
Timeline
| Works of Flavius Josephus
ﻩ Josephus
in Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia
ﻩ Ancient Histories of Flavius Josephus
ﻩ Flavius
Josephus Home
ﻩ PACE
ﻩ Josephus, the Primary Source
ﻩ Scientific Dating
ﻩ Governmental
Administrations
ﻩ First Century Jerusalem
ﻩ Historical Maps
ﻩ Maps of Jerusalem
Flavius Josephus : Credibility and Importance : Steve
Mason ﻩ
Stebbing's Essay |
The Credibility Of Josephus
ﻩ The Jewish millionaire who surrendered to the Romans
ﻩ David Chilton's Synopsis
Preterist Perspectives
ﻩ Effects of the Fall of Jerusalem on Christianity
ﻩ Did Jerusalem Christians Flee to Pella?
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Josephus and Jesus
ﻩ Revelation and Josephus
12/8/7:
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MP:
Charles Guiteau
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Case of Guiteau, The Assassin of President Garfield
"He had written some very weak and trashy lectures ahout the Apostle
Paul and the second coming of Christ, largely plagiarized from a book by
the leader of the Oneiila Community. He maintained that he was a great
evangelist and went about from town to town, without money to pay his
railroad fares or board bills, exhorting people to come to Christ and
adopt his views of the Second Advent, now selling tracts, now preaching
to empty houses, ridiculed, despised, turned out of hotels, driven off
from trains, hardly knowing one day what he was to eat or where he
should sleep the next, never seeking the haunts of criminals, always
assuming great piety and seeming to fancy that in his wanderings he was
really like Christ and the Apostle Paul, but yet without real moral
principle." (The Boston Medical and Surgical Journal, p. 147)
12/7/7:
Pretblogging: Cautioning Preterism - "I believe that this value for chronological fidelity is one that should be taken seriously and would do much to dispel much extravagant thinking within eschatology, as well as to enrich our understanding of history. However, I think many who support it have adopted an unfortunate and unnatural prophetic reductionism that makes the prophetic portraits of Scripture feel like wearing one’s high school pants – too tight and too restrictive. I contend that genre of language found in places like the Olivet Discourse and the book of Revelation allows for a more flexible reading of chronological markers (e.g., “this generation” “the time is near”), and in fact requires a qualified exception of the interpretive rule which says that the right interpretation is the one the audience would have understood."
12/6/7:
StudyArchive: HP:
Charles Homer Giblin "In effect, Luke's lesson apropos of his account of Jerusalem's destruction is to be construed as a question prompted in the typed reader's mind: If this is what happened to Jerusalem because of the way Jesus and those who represent him, his disciples, were treated, what will happen to my city/nation/society if he (and his followers, who stand for him) are treated similarly? What am I, as a respected man with some influence, expected to do?" 12/5/7: 12/4/7: 12/3/7:
Progressive
Preterism - Newest Archive!
The materials contained on this page are collected in hopes that those
who cannot see any better alternative than Full Preterism might recognize
that there is a whole horizon of studies in a progressive -- and not
regressive -- direction. -
StudyArchive:
Thomas Pyle
12/2/7:
StudyArchive: HP:
Augustin Calmet Temple Institute announces that High Priests crown is ready for rebuilt temple - "First of all, we make it very clear to the donors and to the craftsmen that the ultimate purpose of these vessels is not to be used for exhibitions or the like, but rather for the fulfillment of Torah commandments in the Holy Temple. They must know this in advance. However, to gain the actual status of hekdesh, we similarly make it clear that this does not happen until the vessel is actually brought in to the Temple Mount for use in the Temple. This means that someone can try on and measure the headplate, for example, without worrying that he is benefiting in any way from something that has been consecrated to the Temple."
12/1/7:
StudyArchive: HP:
William Gilpin - Prebendary of Salisbury ; Reverend, Artist
Free Online Books: HP:
An Exposition of the New Testament, Intended as an Introduction to the Study of the Scriptures, by Pointing Out the Leading Sense and Connection of the Sacred Writers Jesus, having thus silenced the chief priests, continued the subject, by setting before them, in the audience of the people, their hardened, impenitent and dangerous state, the ungrateful returns which the Jews had made to God, for all his calls of mercy, and, finally, God's intention of casting them off, and adopting the Gentiles in their room"
11/30/7:
StudyArchive: HP:
Richard Wynne Study Archive Rector of Alphage, London, and Chaplain to the Right Honorable, the Earl of Dunmore. - Double Application of Matthew 24 to DoJ and General Judgment at the End of the World
11/29/7: 11/28/7:
StudyArchive:
Heneage Elsley
Outside Links: Preterist Heresy "Preston believes that the resurrection occurred in 70ad which is EXACTLY the same problem Paul addresses of Hymenaeus and Philetus. The critical mistake was the claim that a spiritual resurrection was a mere past event which is a common declaration that (Full) Preterists make. It is very ironic that the justification for their system, which believes a spiritual resurrection is past, is no different than that which Paul condemns."
11/27/7:
StudyArchive:
Gilbert Wakefield "Our Saviour, I apprehend, had Jerusalem principally in view in this declaration" CORRECTION! ON ANDERSON'S NEW APPROACH - The Binding of Satan (man's rebellious spirit of antichrist) in AD70, and the Loosing of "Satan" in the Atheistical Plunge of the Mid-20th Century
11/26/7: 11/25/7:
StudyArchive: MP:
Timothy Kenrick Joseph Farah:
The 1,800 Year Israeli Drought - "Rabbi Kohen points out the land suffered an unprecedented, severe and inexplicable (by anything other than supernatural explanations) drought that lasted from the first century until the 20th – a period of 1,800 years coinciding with the forced dispersion of the Jews. Kohen sees this as a miraculous fulfillment of prophecy found in the book of Deuteronomy – especially chapter 28:23-24. "And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron. "The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed." Ed Haas: Obama scores lowest of any Democrat on "Friend of Israel" scale
11/24/7:
StudyArchive: MP:
Beausobre and L'Enfant - Division between DoJ and General Judgment - Matthew 25:1
Free Online Books /
UP: Lucius Paige:
Selections from Eminent Commentators (1858) "Of course, it is not pretended that any one orthodox commentator explains every disputed text in accordance with the views entertained by Universalists. But among them ah, some have furnished us authority on every text of this description, with a very few exceptions; some furnishing authority on one text, some on another. The quotations are introduced, on each text, with reference to a single point; to wit, does this text teach or imply a state of misery in the future life, or does it not ? When any commentator allows that it does not, I consider him to be proper authority to quote in confirmation of the exposition given by Universalists, even though they do not agree with him in regard to what the text does mean. I will illustrate my meaning by a single example. By referring to the notes on Rev. vi. 12—17, it will be seen that Hammond and Lightfoot interpret the passage as descriptive of the ' destruction of Jerusalem and the whole Jewish state"
11/23/7:
StudyArchive:
MP: Charles Wellbeloved (1732-1800) Unitarian Minister in York, England
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A Biographical memoir of the Rev. Charles Wellbeloved (1860) "Modern criticism would probably pronounce that Hammond, and Nisbett, and Cappe were right, in maintaining that the whole passage in Matthew was spoken with reference to the destruction of Jerusalem, whatever difficulty there may be in discovering in the historical event a complete correspondence with all the descriptive circumstances of the prediction. Criticism, however, cannot admit the principle that there must be such a correspondence, and that the interpretation which establishes it must be true."
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11/19/7:
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Dr. John Brown ("of Edinburgh") -
Discourses and Saying of our Lord (1850) "Heaven and earth passing,' understood literally, is the dissolution of the present system of the universe, and the period when that is to take place, is called the 'end of the world.' But a person at all familiar with the phraseology of the Old Testament Scriptures, knows that the dissolution of the Mosaic economy, and the establishment of the Christian, is often spoken of as the removing of the old earth and heavens, and the creation of a new earth and new heavens" (vol. 1, p. 170)
11/18/7: 11/17/7: 11/10/7: 11/4/7: 11/2/7:
Pretblogging:
HP: Bring the Books - Preterism for Dummies Like Me (Part 1): "First things first, on this blog, when either Josh or myself refer to Preterism, we are referring to the orthodox form of Preterism which says that though almost every Bible prophecy has been fulfilled, the second coming of Christ has not happened yet, and the resurrection has not happened yet. If we want to talk about the heretical form of Preterism, we will call it "Unorthodox Preterism" or "Hymenaean Preterism." There is no need for the term "Partial Preterist" here, because we won't let them hijack the name. We are orthodox Preterists, or just simply "Preterists."
11/1/7: New approach to Full Preterism:
Warning: This "full preterist" material is archived due to the balanced representation of all pret views, but its premise is deemed by the curator to be "toxic theology" which subtly draws people away from the things of the spirit due to the fleshly "letter-based" appeal (core components being extra-biblical history and logic -- there being not one single verse which looks back to fulfillment in ad70, the system is based entirely upon deductive reasoning). Please note that the earliest known adherents of full preterism later abandoned it, as have many contemporary former full peterists, including the curator of this archive (after a decade of agreement). The "past spiritual resurrection" view is the theology that Paul condemned in II Timothy 2:17-18, and the cessationism of this view - by design - likewise overthrows faith and hope, so please proceed with extreme caution. - TD |
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10/8/7: "Mr. Desprez afterwards found reason to abandon the views enunciated in his "Apocalyse Fulfilled"
The Apocalypse Fulfilled - Second Oldest Known Full Preterist Book "He considered the question long and carefully, and at last - though not without severe mental trial - he came to the conclusion that the theory he had held so long, and on the elaboration of which he had spent the best years of his life, was groundless, and must be abandoned." Richard Acland Armstrong -
P.S. Desprez Biography and Explanation of Conversion away from Full Preterism (1880) "This work forms a turning-point in Mr. Desprez's life. Its novelty, which he was not afraid to avow, was less in the general theory than its detailed application. Here the neology became distinct and embarrassing, for the result of his (full preterist) Apocalyptic studies was to change, at least in their speculative and authoritative aspects, all his conceptions of Christian doctrine. Inasmuch as the teaching of Christ and his apostles was entirely directed, according to his opinion, to the " end of the age"—i.e.," The Fall of Jerusalem,"—this event must be accepted as the consummation and conclusion of the original Christianity of the Gospels. The doctrines of the Christian faith had their destined range limited by the same events, and could only possess for after ages a partial and unauthorised significance. This was the standpoint from which Mr. Desprez's confidence in the distinctive dogmas of Evangelicalism first became undermined. His estimate of them related not so much to their inherent truth, or their practical value, as to their validity from the point of view of Christ and his apostles." (Added to
Daniel; or, The apocalypse of the Old Testament,
The Apocalypse Fulfilled in the Consummation of the Mosaic Economy)
Armstrong, reacting against Desprez's full preterist proposition that the first century church was in a different dispensation than today's: "Inasmuch as the teaching of Christ and his apostles was entirely directed, according to his opinion, to the "end of the age"—i.e.,"The Fall of Jerusalem,"—this event must be accepted as the consummation and conclusion of the original Christianity of the Gospels." Armstrong, explaining that with broader study Desprez saw errors in his narrow fp focus: "He commenced systematically to read foreign authorities on the subject of his studies. For the first time in his life he read the works of Renan, Colani, Strauss, Hilgenfeld, Langen, and other writers of various schools of thought who had treated the Messianic question. On this occasion, therefore, he approached the subject from a different and broader point of view." Armstrong, Explaining His Rejection of Full Preterism: "As Mr. Desprez afterwards found reason to abandon the views enunciated in his " Apocalyse Fulfilled," no criticism of them need be here attempted. The defects of his hypothesis as a full and reasoned conception of Christianity are striking and palpable. It makes no distinction between the standpoint of Christ and that of his apostles on the subject of the Messianic kingdom. -
It offers no reason why the predictive powers of Christ, recognised so fully up to A.D. 40, should be limited by that date. It makes the subsequent history of the Christian Church a riddle baffling solution. It takes no account of the more permanent bases, ethical and spiritual, on which the religion of Christ was really founded, and which alone are adequate to account for its growth. It overlooks the fact that Second Advent expectations have in reality exercised an inappreciable influence on the growth of Christianity as a whole, their action being generally spasmodic and temporary.
Armstrong, Displaying the irresponsible rush Desprez had made into full preterism, without taking the time to determine its consequences: "If any reader is inclined to ask the question—in what light did Mr. Desprez regard the doctrines of the Christian Church which he professed to teach ? —the answer may be given in his own words. Speaking of the alarm which might be created by his theory that the Second Advent was already past, he says, " It remains to be tried whether the ideas of a finished salvation, a perfected Christianity, an open kingdom of heaven, a life-state in Christ, an eternal reign in an eternal kingdom already set up, might not have a more constraining influence upon mankind than the questionable theory of an uncertain coming." Armstrong, showing some of the immediate consequences: "the book caused some disquiet among the timid members of his own flock, and this was probably not allayed by the modified tone of Mr. Desprez's pulpit teaching and his gradual adoption of a different standpoint in dealing with Christian dogma. He therefore deemed it expedient to quit Wolverhampton." 10/7/7: Jordan won't control temple mount - "Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's office on Monday morning denied the report in Al-Quds al-Arabi that he and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas had agreed to transfer the Temple Mount's holy sites to Jordanian custody. According to the report in the London-based newspaper, Olmert and Abbas had agreed that the Temple Mount sites would be under Jordanian jurisdiction in a final peace deal, and Jordanian citizenship would be granted to 90,000 east Jerusalem residents.
10/5/7: Turns out that second-oldest known full preterist
Philip S. Desprez didn't stay with that system too long after having written
The Apocalypse Fulfilled. Like contemporary former full preterist David Crews - who converted from full preterism to Rationalism he converted to "higher criticism" of the Bible : "On the supposition that our Lord's predictions, as delivered to us, can be adequately explained of the phenomena with which that event was accompanied, a harmony may be maintained between them and the facts themselves. On the contrary hypothesis, that the historical events of that time do not answer to the scope and magnificence of the terms employed, the expectations of our Lord and his disciples must be considered to have been tinged by the Messianic ideas of their contemporaries."
Former Full Preterists:
Philip S. Desprez: Wrote second-oldest known Full Preterist book, but left that view for a more critically mature approach, built a wide reputation as a higher critic of the books of Daniel and Revelation. His take on full preterism after his conversion away: "something more was intended by the coming itself and the unearthly scenes with which it is said to be accompanied, than the destruction of Jerusalem and the subsequent establishment of Christianity. However momentous the ruin of their city might have been to the Jews, it could not have materially affected the Gentile converts to whom the warnings relating to the advent were principally addressed."
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Philip S. Desprez:
Daniel; or, The apocalypse of the Old Testament (1865) Written after his conversion away from full preterism //
Added a PDF File "We are not ashamed to confess our inability to reconcile the proximity under which these phenomena are announced with the actual course of events. We seem to be painfully conscious of the existence of a serious discrepancy between the latter-day anticipations of the New Testament and what might be considered their due and legitimate fulfilment: a conviction arising not from a superficial or deceitful handling of the sacred text, but from a reverent and careful examination, extended over many years, of this particular question ; and we think it the part of exegetical consistency to endeavour to grapple with it, before we stereotype with too great confidence traditional opinions which appear unable to stand the test of searching and out-spoken criticism. "
Imagine one who was thoroughly familiar with full preterism writing this : "The non-fulfillment, however, of these Messianic expectations within the time appointed for their accomplishment need not detract from the perfection of that inimitable teaching whose "remedial, and reconciling, and sanctifying, and self-sacrificing, and sorrow-assuaging, and heaven-aspiring words were addressed to the universal human heart;" neither should it be suffered to weaken the obligation, or impair the authority, of a single moral precept which commends itself by its intrinsic worth as the perfect law of love and liberty to mankind." (p. 295) ..or this on the Seventy Weeks of Daniel: "It has been usual to interpret this celebrated passage of the death of Christ, and the subsequent destruction of Jerusalem by Titus. The prophecy, however, refuses to be coerced into the desired shape." (Don Preston flashback: "Every mathematical calculation that I have ever seen cannot arrive at the A.D. 70 destruction of Jerusalem." Q&A on the Daniel 9 Prophecy) 10/1/7: Newly Discovered after a 10 year search! Produced into a PDF file exclusive to PreteristArchive.com: Biographer: "Like every genuine truth-seeker, Mr. Desprez had no objection to retrospective analysis of long-cherished convictions.. he readily admitted that every conviction of a reasoning man should be founded upon as much demonstration as the subject-matter admitted of. He was not like those spurious truth-seekers who, having once erected their thought-system, afterwards evince the most insuperable dislike to having any portion of it criticized or tested - a position, it may be added, which of right pertains not to truth-search, but to dogmatic infallibility." Happy 11th anniversary today to PreteristArchive.com! Thank you all for your charitable and positive input.. and for spreading the word. Monthly raw hits are averaging 2.5 million thanks to Google (lol) and to your word of mouth. Happy birthday IdealistArchive.com! Can't wait to see what you look like in 11 years. (this is the new repository for distinguishing between the various classifications of
Preterist-Idealism, and all other forms. Such a project was deemed far too ambitious to be limited to just a single corner of PreteristArchive.com.)
9/25/7:
HP:
P-I:
Johannes Oecolampadius - On Isaiah 6 (1525) "And the lintels were shaken.) Under this figure the Lord sets forth his judgment, which afterwards he expounds clearly, warning that Isaiah should announce disturbance and blindness to the Jews.. See here again the power of the word of God, by which, where it is faithfully announced by preachers, there is an occurrence of great agitation. For when Jerusalem first heard that Christ was born, it was agitated, with Herod the king. And Christ came not to bring peace, but a sword. And when the sons (of Israel) were about to go out in Ramses (which means agitation), they first hear the voice of Moses and are gathered together. Psalm 45, "The nations were agitated, the kingdoms tottered, the Most High uttered his voice, the earth was moved." Because indeed the preaching of the word of God damns all men, and are frightened and begin to struggle. And yet even firmer things, among what is kingly, are agitated, such as the lintels and doorposts, and things that ought to offer entrance to others. Surely judgment begins from the house of God. So the Pharisees and leaders of the Jews feared the most."
9/24/7:
HP: James Austin Bastow :
A (Preterist) Bible Dictionary ! (1842) "Third, the Preterist, which regards the book as having to do with events long since fulfilled. To the Preterist scheme of interpretation we incline, regarding the predictions of the book as having been fully accomplished before the close of the year 135, within less than seventy years from the time when the book was written. The Apocalypse was evidently written to the Asiatic churches during a period of furious persecution, when the Christians greatly needed encouragement, consolation, and admonition. The writer has made a full disclosure of the persecuting powers of the Jews and Romans, and declared that their respective fall and ruin "must shortly come to pass.'" The fearful destruction of these persecuting powers, is, to the faithful, in all times and places, a type of the destruction of anti-christianism, and a pledge of the final and universal triumph of Christianity. "
"the doctrinal and theological articles are written with so much unction that the volume is calculated to bless the heart, as well as to enlighten the head." // "Mr. Bastow's work is superior to all the other Bible Dictionaries which we have on our shelves"
9/22/7:
Preterist-Idealism: Scott Thompson -
Have Heaven and Earth Passed Away? "It is important to note that this transition is not effected by history, but only by the grace and indwelling of the Lord Jesus Christ. Just as with the flood of Noah, only those who are in the ark are saved. The unrighteous are left outside in the waters, and never progress beyond their age into that which was coming on the other side of the "flood event."
9/20/7:
Former Full Preterists:
Scott Thompson's New Website - Shadows of the Cross The problem with only looking at the historical shadows is that they never reveal the true essence of what they were given to represent. When the true intent of the bible is confused with the external shadows (things seen) it can lead us away from the true substance found within us. If we read the bible solely as a “historic process” instead of reading it as a revealing of the “internal and heavenly process” within us we will never move beyond the veil and see the hidden things of God.
Pretblogging:
HP: Jay Rogers' Forerunner: Redating the New Testament "I was searching for a copy of the out-of-print, Redating the New Testament by J.A.T. Robinson, and found a
PDF copy at the Preterist Archive site. (Although I am a partial preterist and not a full preterist, I find a lot of what is at this site useful.) The preterist position not only refutes the "goofy" false doctrine of dispensationalism, but also the damnable heresy of modernism. Yet few Christians have ever studied the preterist position, which contends that most so-called "end-times" prophecy actually refers to events in Judea and Jerusalem just prior to 70 A.D. " [Just for the record, though this is not a full preterist website, all "hyper" materials will remain - for now - in order to assist students in a fair study of all preterist views]
9/19/7:
FP,PI: Full Preterist - Idealism Discussion (2004) "How much we mix the idealist view and the preterist view just might be the battleground for preterists in the years to come. Just how much do we have in common with that first fruits generation? Our overcoming cannot be the same as theirs, but it cannot be entirely different either. " Israel launches most sophisticated spy satellite "It will be the first Israeli satellite with Synthetic Aperture Radar capabilities, allowing the camera to take pictures of targets under cloudy and foggy conditions, a capability not available in Israel's Ofek satellite series. Peres said that he would like every Israeli to know "that we have the best and most talented people in the world and we should be proud of their wonderful abilities." While hailing the quality of Israel's defense capabilities, Peres made it clear that the Jewish state was interested in peace, not war. "
9/18/7: 9/17/7:
Revelations: God's Gold Reviewed "An expert in the archaeology of the Holy Land, Kingsley has the credentials that make his quest more than quixotic. He also has a writing style that successfully mixes arcane archaeological details with set-piece depictions of historical events. His account of the Triumph of Vespasian and Titus, as the Jewish treasures are marched through the various pagan and political sites of bustling Rome, is itself a triumph of re-creation." // Available at Amazon Orthodox Rabbis disgusted by Madonna visit "It is a known fact in Kabbala that impurity and evil are inherently attracted to sanctity," said a director of one of the most respected Kabbala yeshivot in Jerusalem who preferred that he and his institution remain anonymous. "That's why people of Hollywood, a place of iniquity and lasciviousness, are naturally attracted to the holiness of Kabbala."
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Madonna: I am an ambassador for Judaism "Madonna met Peres at his official Jerusalem residence on Saturday evening and the two exchanged gifts, with Madonna receiving a lavishly bound copy of the Old Testament. She gave Peres a volume of "The Book of Splendor," the guiding text of Kabbalah, inscribed "To Shimon Peres, the man I admire and love, Madonna," the Yediot Ahronot daily reported."
9/14/7: NY Times: Irreconcilable Differences in Bible’s Interpretations "Are the first chapters of Genesis the powerful story of God’s creation and of humankind’s tragic fall? Or are they, as much modern scholarship suggests, a tissue of inconsistencies, some serving to promote the priestly class’s case for keeping the Sabbath on the seventh day, others reflecting the transition from a society of hunters and gatherers to one based on agriculture? ..Charles Augustine Briggs, a 19th-century pioneer of modern biblical scholarship, declared that by sweeping away the “rubbish” of centuries of biblical interpretation, modern scholars would finally “recover the real Bible.”
Books:
2 Baruch: Added
PDF File of R.H. Charles Publication of Text and Commentary // "The book, somewhat like 4 Ezra, is the author’s attempt both to make theological sense of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE, and to exhort Israel to remain faithful to her God in hope of restoration. It is widely agreed that 2 Bar. was originally composed in non-Christian Jewish circles, and the contention that it is instead a Christian composition (Nir,
Destruction of Jerusalem, passim) has not found much support. Nonetheless, 2 Bar. is a "Christian text" in the sense that it was adopted and preserved within Christian circles for much of its transmission history." (OCP Edition 2.0)
Revelations: BBC - More on "super scope" to read old texts The hidden content in ancient works could be illuminated by a light source 10 billion times brighter than the Sun.
9/13/7:
Pretblogging:
Scot McKnight :
Missional Jesus "And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
It is not impossible to historicize this text. Jesus’ vision of a Gentile mission is at best rarely in view in the Gospels. It is possible then to understand “end of the age” as 70 AD’s destruction of Jerusalem as the ending of national privilege; it is possible to read “disciple all nations” as “to the Jew first” throughout the diaspora. Possible. Against the grain, to be sure. Why think of it? Because “age” is an epoch not the end of history; because Jesus’ missional vision focused on Israel."
Revelations: Powerful X-Ray to Reveal Fragile Dead Sea Scrolls "Ancient writings from the Dead Sea scrolls are to be read for the first time by British scientists using powerful x-rays. The team will examine rare and unread fragments of the scrolls, which are believed to shed light on how the texts came to be written in caves along the north-west coast of the sea nearly 2,000 years ago."
 9/12/7:
Watchdog/FP: Don Preston: "There are, currently, several differing and disparate views of the resurrection circulating in the (full) preterist community. And, while all (full) preterists agree that the resurrection prophecies came into a reality at the end of the Old Covenant age in A.D. 70, there seems to be a lot of confusion concerning the nature of the resurrection. A few of the different concepts of the resurrection currently circulating (in the full preterist community):
The Death of the Garden, the death to be overcome in Christ, was physical death. Man only began to die when he ate the fruit, but did not die for 900+ years. The Believer is "resurrected" when/after they die physically. The Believer currently does not have truly eternal life, but receives that at death There was a physical rapture in A.D. 70. There remains a resurrection in the future, because the millennium began in A. D. 70. This is not, in the truest sense of the word, a preterist position, but is a futurist view. However, some who call themselves preterists nonetheless espouse this. The resurrection of the dead is not directly related theologically to the end of the Mosaic Covenant. If the resurrection has become a reality, then all men are automatically saved, i.e. the doctrine of universalism. The resurrection and the parousia of Christ were not historical events, but, are fulfilled solely in the individual lives of believers when they are converted to Christ. Is the resurrection of 1 Corinthians 15 corporate or individual?" (Preterist Pilgrim Announcement)
9/11/7:
Pretblogging:
HP: Chalcedon Blog: Implantable Microchips: NOT a Conspiracy Theory Anymore "It's getting more difficult these days to sustain the preterist view of eschatology (preterism contends that the virtually all of the "last days" events took place no later than A.D. 70) when companies are pushing to place implantable microchips within the actual bodies of people. End-time prophecy teachers have long stated that microchipping may be the fulfillment of Revelation 13:16-17" BBC: Jews' Roman "Escape Route" Found Pottery shards and coins from the end of the Second Temple period were also discovered inside the tunnel.
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Free Online Books:
Anna Mary Lee : A Scholar of a Past Generation - A Brief Memoir of Samuel Lee (1896)
ADDED PDF FILE! (2.7 Mb) "EVER since his translation of Eusebius's 'Theophania,' my father's mind had been more or less occupied on the subject of Prophecy, and he became convinced that the views which he entertained, known as the Preterist, were those held by the early Church. The subject was one of absorbing interest to him during the few last years of his life, and as a child I can remember the animated conversations between him and my mother on Prophecy in their walks about our beautiful garden, or in the leisure of meal times, she holding the more general and popular opinions of the restoration of the Jews to their own land, etc."
9/6/7:
Dave McPherson: The Rapture Plot - Second Edition! - Available at Gary DeMar's "American Vision" - "Now back in print as of 2007, this is MacPherson's most complete and most documented book on the Scottish beginnings of the famous "any-moment, pretribulation rapture" -- the 1830 imaginative addition to what had previously been known as only the "Second Coming" doctrine. See how plagiarism and subtle document changes created the "mother of all revisionisms"! (Paperback, 300 pages) Critical: The Khazar Kingdom: A Place Where Christian Preterist and Islamic Fundamentalist Bond "The very fact that both of these Islamic and Christian forces attack Israel in such a way is a sure sign that there is something very spiritual happening with Israel. Christian preterist and Islamic fundamentalist see each other as damnable infidels as their holy books dictate, but each finds great friendship and respect with the other in the Khazar doctrine as they seek together the separation of the Jews from their holy book. It is easy to find preterist articles on Islamic web-sites, and preterist books will always (and I do mean always) be in favor of Arab victory over the State of Israel, whether by war or by any other means such as terrorism. " Jews beg Christians to help save the Temple "Footage taken on a cellphone camera and broadcast on Israel's Channel 2 News last week showed a trench that had been dug into the floor of the complex as part of the work. Deep within the trench an ancient decorated wall was visible, a wall experts say was part of the outer courts of the ancient Jewish temple. "
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F.W. Farrar : The Early Days of Christianity (1882)
Added PDF File of Entire Book (1884 Popular Edition)"A credulous spirit of innovation is welcome to believe and to proclaim that any or all of St. John's writings were by "John the Presbyter." They were : but "John the Presbyter" is none other than John the Apostle"
David Roberts Lithograph up for auction | Luyken prints too
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Kurt Simmons:
A Call to Conservatism (2007) "We want to encourage Preterists everywhere to exercise the utmost caution and restraint in embracing anything new or that smacks of what is novel or sensational. Truth is very old and for the most part very obvious. An occasional pearl, like Preterism, has been lost along the way where it patiently waited to be rediscovered. But this is the exception, not the rule. For the most part, plain old vanilla is the order of the day when it comes to the important stuff of truth and Christianity. Do not let an unhealthy penchant for collateral issues be what defines your faith." An inventory of dubious Preterist beliefs includes: “Heaven now” – the notion that Christians are already in heaven now. “Immortal bodies now” - the idea that we already possess our immortal bodies. “Covenantal Adam” – the idle notion Adam and Eve were not the first created living-beings, but were only the first humans with whom God was in covenant. “Covenantal creation” – the theory that the Genesis account isn’t about the material creation of the planet earth but is only symbolic of God’s creation of covenant Israel. Regional flood - the idea that the historical narratives of Genesis must be reinterpreted through a “covenantal” paradigm, assuming the use of apocalyptic language, making the flood merely local and covenantal, not universal. Old Earth Creationism – the idea that the creation account of Genesis is but an allegory or metaphoric account, and must be interpreted “covenantally” in reference to Old Testament Israel. This view also urges that the six days of creation are merely symbolic or that a gap must be read into the text, and that the earth is billions of years old.
8/21/7: 8/19/7: WashPost: What's Good for the Jews - "The central theme of Wisse's narrative, which dips back into the Babylonian captivity of the 6th century BCE but really begins with the destruction of the Second Temple by the Romans in 70 CE, is the way in which diaspora Jews' "harmful pattern" of accommodation to majority power led them to look inward for culpability rather than than outward toward their enemies."
Free Online Books: Thomas Aird -
Othuriel (1839) "The Fall of Jerusalem as a subject for an Epic Poem, it is proudly remarked by Coleridge:—"This subject, with all its great liabilities, has this one grand defect, that, whereas a Poem to be epic must have a personal interest, in the Destruction of Jerusalem a genius or skill could possibly preserve the interest for the hero from being merged in the interest for the event. The fact is, the vent itself is too sublime and overwhelming." Impressed with the justness of this opinion, and no less conscious of his own want of fitness to take up the subject-matter in its wide extent, even were it free from the fundamental difficulty thus expounded by the critic, the Author of this little poem, Othuriel, has attempted nothing beyond cutting out a story, in a great measure domestic, from the Siege and Fall of the Holy City. He has kept his principal character central in every Canto; and, though he has given a few of the leading circumstances of that Siege and Fall, he has been studious that the fortunes and fate of his hero should be illustrated merely, and not overlaid, by the general calamity. In this way, and this alone, perhaps, such vast quarries of terror and pity as the Destruction of Jerusalem, the French Revolution, &c., may be turned to good account by the poet."
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Chrysostom: The Meaning of Language "It is fairly commonplace in Orthodoxy to note that Chrysostom’s Liturgy speaks of the Second Coming in the past tense. Not because we believe that Christ came for a second time at sometime in the past, but that because of what is happening in the Liturgy, we may speak of the Second Coming in the past tense. We are standing at the Messianic Banquet. If it is Christ who dwells in us and we in Him, then how is it possible that we are not with Him at the beginning and the end (since He Himself is the Beginning and the End) The coming of Christ into our world, or rather the manifestation of God to us in this world, has radically changed this world."
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Preterist Watchdog: David Curtis: "The Disciple Whom Jesus Loved" is Lazarus - Author of the Gospel and Epistles of "John" "Does the Bible say any where that John was the "disciple whom Jesus loved"? NO, it does not! Does the Bible explicitly name anyone who was "loved" by Jesus? Yes. There is only one man named in the Bible that is said to be loved by Jesus. Lazarus' sisters refer to him as a man whom Jesus loved. That tells us something very important about Lazarus.. My position at the present time is that Lazarus also wrote the Epistles, which explains their similarities with the Gospel. They also were edited by John the elder. Hopefully this study will be a wake-up call for all of us to be Bereans. It is our responsibility to search the Scriptures and not to rely on what others have said. We have to stop relying on the "scholars" and do our own homework."
8/17/7:
Pretblogging:
HP: RiddleBlog:
Kim Riddlebarger Reviews The Apocalypse Code "Hanegraaff capably demonstrates that Jesus Christ is the true hermeneutical center of all of Scripture.. yet.. It is highly problematic to argue that Christ returned (in a some form of parousia) with the events of 70 A. D. No doubt, the destruction of the temple marks the end of the Jewish era (not the end of "this age,") and it clearly led to the diaspora and the curse upon apostate Israel being tragically realized as foretold by Jesus in Matthew 23:37-39. But such does not constitute a "coming of Jesus." How many second comings are there? One or two? And isn't one of the criticisms of dispensationalists that they teach a "real coming" at the Rapture which no one sees?
8/16/7::
Pretblogging: MacArthur’s Millennial Manifesto: Chapter 9: Together for the Gospel?–Of Panmillennialism and Hyper-Preterism! "But let me tell you something, folks, as wacky as that world of Dispensational eschatology is, it is no more wacky than the interpretation of many Amillennialists whose fictional eisegesis reads everything into 70 A.D., and I’ve read that kind of stuff and it’s just as crazy."
HP: Babu Ranganathan: Jerusalem: "Babylon" of Revelation 14:8? "Many evangelical Christians today are looking forward to the seven year tribulation period of Israel which would require for the Jews to be in the land. But this period had already occurred in history during 63 A.D. to 70 A.D. (seven years) when the Roman army besieged and destroyed Jerusalem and the Jewish Temple. It was this destruction of Jerusalem that Jesus said would mark the end of the age (the Jewish Age, that is). During these seven years, there was a brief respite from the attacking Roman army and this respite gave an opportunity for believing Jews (Christians) of this time to escape the final destruction of Jerusalem and have their lives spared. "
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Universalist Preterism: Richard Metcalf -
Letter and Spirit (1869) "This was the second coming of Christ, which he foretold so vividly that its literal fulfilment must have given his disciples a still clearer proof of his Messiahship. The judgment with which he threatened the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, came, as he said it would, in the lifetime of that generation. The judgment which Paul said was impending came within five years of the time when Felix trembled in view of it. The disciple whom Jesus loved did tarry till the coming of his Master; and all the Gospel predictions upon the subject were realized in that spiritual coming at the end of the Jewish age, between A.D. 65 and A.D. 70. Not the slightest hint is given of still another coming to be looked for in or after our day; for all that was meant by the second coming of Christ, the great day of judgment and the end of the world, took place eighteen centuries ago."
8/8/7: Tupper Saussy: My Top 10 Beliefs "5. The world has been ruled by Jesus Christ since A.D. 70, when the fall of Jerusalem destroyed the disobedient Israelite "heaven and earth," and unbelievers have been ever since governed by humanist systems authorized by Him to terrorize evildoers. The Kingdom of God is within us and around us. It’s here already." (Written shortly before his death)
Preterist Databases retired after a decade of service
8/6/7:
J.H. Noyes:
The Utopia of Sharing in Oneida "THEY wanted to create a heaven on earth. For 33 years they believed they’d succeeded, at a utopian commune infamous for “free love..”Believing that the Kingdom of God on Earth had arrived with the second coming of Jesus during the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D., they embraced the communalism of the early Christian Church in their effort to create a more equal, just and rational society in their new Eden."
8/5/7:
Universalist Preterism : The Connection "It seemed that every preterist group I came across was fully dedicated to the subject of Preterism but refused to even give a seconds attention to the idea that God would be interested in saving all of humanity. What’s even more puzzling to me is that most of the UR groups I am a member of couldn’t grasp the idea of all scripture being fulfilled. For me the more and more I study the more I find the two subjects to be completely inseparable! In fact I see that the fulfilled prophecies of scripture were the means to the the ultimate reconciliation of all things." http://whatifound.info
Revelations: Rick Bennett on 1st Century finds at Oxyrynchus" - "The importance for NT studies is that many of these letters reflect very similar language to that of the NT, and in some cases may even reflect early Christian letter writing (more to come on this as I’m writing a paper on one particular letter which is thought by some, not all, to be the earliest Christian letter outside of the NT)."
8/4/7: Samuel Dawson's Last Things and Covenant Eschatology FAQ - "Covenant Eschatology: This term refers to the idea that the Bible story of eschatology has to do with the last days of the Old Covenant World of Israel that came to an end in AD 70 with the fall of Jerusalem. Most views of eschatology (those listed in the following glossary), believe that Biblical eschatology is the end of human history as we know it. In other words, Historical Eschatology, the end of history. Covenant Eschatology, on the other hand, believes that Biblical eschatology deals with the end of the Covenant History of Israel, i.e., Covenant Eschatology, and not the end of the physical world. "
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