Guestbook Log For 2002
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"My lover laid in his hand by the door, and behold, my bowels were moved for him."
- Song of Solomon 5:5.
You say a lot of hateful things about dispensationalists on your website. The majority of your information seems to prove Preterism by ridiculing and demeaning Dispensationalism. Well, shame on you. You're not acting Christ-like at all. These are our Christian brethren, you know. Eschatology is a secondary issue and should not divide us as the church. Yes, we can discuss, but when you spew hateful insinuations you do the body of Christ harm.
Don't prove preterism by bashing Dispensationalism.
By the way, "how can you take the first coming of Christ literally, but take His second coming in an allegorical, non-literal way?" And isn't preterism anti-Semitic? Many think so.
Please feel to write.
In Christ, Brother Dave brother.dave@excite.com
Hello, brother in Christ,
I hope you 'll understand my English, normally I speak French. I'm a 36 years old man who suffering with cancer for one year. I'm believer and received Jesus us my savior and mylord. And I believed in miracle in Jesus' name and he has promised to take me step by step and each step 'll be a miracle. I need the prayers to be deliver and to be healed. I believe that my God has A MIRACLE ANSWER MY PRAYER. Please pray for me. With God's love Amen. Guy Esale
guy_esale@msn.com
Dear Todd, Firstly, I thank you for so much!
Your site was the first I ever saw on the subject of preterism and it is by far the most comprehensive and fair site on the net in regards to eschatology.
Secondly, You have helped to equip me to share preterism to my fellow Christians here in Australia. I have been a minister for some years but have only come to accept preterism as a valid way of viewing the scriptures for about 18 months.
Your site continually gives me fresh insight and keys that I can use to challenge my fellow ministers in this country. Finally, the fact that you are not afraid to air ALL views regarding eschatology just shows that kind of mature person you are in Christ. HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
David - Brisbane, Australia
Brother Todd, As one who, since looking closely at the prophetic time frames in the New Testament, have jumped out of the dispensational bye and bye, pie in the sky theology and have spent many hours of pure joy looking at a truth that has long been hidden from me due to the childhood teaching that I received in the A O G Churches. I have given you permission to use my name and website as one who agrees and upholds the new 95 Theses for the Next Reformation. My site is a Christian outreach primarily for alcoholism recovery but I have added the Preterist view and Christian teachings on my site. I invite you to visit me and if practical, list my site on the Preterist Archive as one who supports you. God bless you; I love your site!
James Garrett Christian Harbor Ministries http://www.christianharbor.com
Great to be back up! Leave your comments.
Todd, I have been a Preterist for over 2 years now and have referenced and sent many others to your site. You have a great site and I wish everyone could read through it. Have you ever seen the 1951 movie "Quo Vadis" based on the book by Henryk Sienkiewicz written in 1896? The first part of the movie starts out with Jesus being crucified. It then skips to "64 AD in the reign of the Antichrist that History records as Nero Caesar." I almost fell out of my chair when I first saw the movie 2 years ago when I first started studying preterism. It also goes on to show how Nero was addressed as god and the "son of Jupiter". Thanks, Your brother in Christ C.H.
I find your site amazing! My name is Fred Butler. The questions I have are; Do you recommend a specific Bible or version of the Scriptures for my studies? And <p> (2);Could a Preterist function sufficiently without belonging to a particular group? Are there any churches or groups that endorse preterism? I am currently disassociated with any group of believers, much less any Preterist groups, but I DO find your site very stimulating!! The teachings, the authors, and the options on this site will more than suffice my hunger for now. I DO have my eye on a Reformation Study Bible; (NKJV) with comments by R.C.Sproul,J.I.Packer,and others. If no particular type of Bible is necessary, then I won't have to buy any more. Please advise if there are any on the market that would help someone further study the Preterist view....I MUST SAY that I am more than just a little interested in preterism. What I have found out so far has already shaken my previously held beliefs concerning prophecy in the "end times". Either the prophets and apostles were inspired, or we are. WE ARE NOT!!! Do you agree? I am eager to move onward and upward!! But I MUST study first to know what I'm teaching to others......Yours in Him,...F.B.
Dear Sir, I have been aware that you have problems and I am wondering. I have been so immensely blessed by your website. The information that I have received are much more then I could ever receive any other way. Are your problems financial or is it something else? I just do not want to loose your website! Thank you so much for what you have done and keep up the work. If you need financial help please say so. Yours in Christ. A.K.
Todd, My beloved brother in Christ Jesus. I really must thank you for (what must certainly be) your tireless work in maintaining PRETERISTARCHIVE.COM. I have been a Preterist for a short time; no more than two years or so. I was partial Preterist for a couple years before that. I have to admit, after having "come all the way" there have been numerous times that I seriously thought I was losing my mind (and I'm not utilizing hyperbole here). When I started feeling freaked out that I was going contrary to "all of Christendom", I have regularly been refreshed by the many helpful articles and quotes from your site. I am a Preterist. I cannot deny, although sometimes I could wish to so as not to be at odds with my Christian brothers. But, I simply cannot neglect what I consider to be clear time constraints on the Parousia. Not only so, your site helps me to see that I'm not ALONE. There are _many_ of us. In short, Thank you, my brother, whom I love. May all of the richness of Christ's mercy and grace be upon you. Jason
two days ago I was browsing "the net" and literally blundered into "The Philip Mauro Archive" and saw an online book titled "The Hope of Israel, What Is It?", written in 1922. Although I had never heard of Philip Mauro, I began to casually read this book, and soon was engrossed. Within minutes I was checking his Bible references and was shocked to find what he was saying held together. Since that encounter two days ago I have read many articles on the Preterist view and have been moved to tears by the shear simplicity of it all. Although in such a short period my understanding can be nothing but extremely shallow, I feel like I have finally found that for which I have been long seeking.
This site is priceless! Joe Walker, Houston
How does it feel to be as dumb as you folks are? That's ok I still love you may God have mercy on you.
Hi Todd! Just a note to let you know that I really enjoy the "Preterist archive" web site. Thanks so much for putting together a really fantastic site with super great study information. :)
A partial Preterist I can accept, but "full" is really a stretching of scripture and the imagination.... To say that the 'body of sin' is the law (oc) and that Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 in speaking of the body dying (the old covenant) and the new being resurrected (the new covenant) really takes a lot of s t r e t c h i n g.........and this has nothing to do with the final day resurrection and judgment...?????? hard to conceive..... Gen. 1;1 God created the heavens and earth surely cannot be confined to Israel and the Old Covenant - it does not always have to be the old covenant.... Preterism has a belief that I really like and want - that the departed soul does not have to wait for the resurrection of the body in the future - we are with Jesus, body and soul, as soon as we die --but I can't accept that the judgment and resurrection is already past .. Can you help me here???
This CD contains a veritable library for study and research on eschatology. You were accurate when you said you can use the CD and surf the preteristarchive WEB site with lightning speed, without ever logging on to the internet. I have paid $500.00 for less. One Bible research CD, Bible Works www.bibleworks.com/ cost me almost twice this amount over the years, it includes lightning fast search of he latest linguistic tools, string searches that are incredible and I have never regretted a single dollar I spent on the program. They are releasing Bible Works 5.0 which the most accomplished theological scholar could not exhaust. It also can be used by beginners and then they can progress as far as they have time and skills to do so. May God increase your skills and concepts on developing the http://www.preteristarchive.com Web site.
I am studying preterism and am convinced that Matt. 24 refers to 70 ad. - but John Gill also sees in it a reference to the Coming of Jesus at the Last Day - He was not a full preterist.
I was completely stunned by the "debate update" article posted by Don K. How can the Christian News have the audacity to claim something is heretical when they admit that they do not understand it thoroughly enough. I mean really if they do not understand the scriptures well enough to debate about preterism why would I want to purchase a book that they put out on Islam. If there knowledge of scripture is so shallow with regard to prophecy, how could they effectively write a book about someone else's religion that they probably know even less about. Just a thought. I have a hard time containing my anger when I hear other Christians declaring preterism a heresy. Your site is the best on the internet. Regards
If one gets lost or confused here, I could understand why. Rational? Well we have a great Supreme Justice to lead the way. Inspirational? I didn't see any. LOVE YOUR BROTHERS and SISTERS. That's all we need to do. To know the rest is irrelevant and to attempt to is misguided. It only inflates one's ego to believe one knows more than others. It serves absolutely no purpose, unless you would rather debate religion than actually live it.
I spent most of my early years of study in Danville Christian Schools learning of how and when the second coming would take place. At 18 years of age I knew something was amiss. With Gods orderly Universe there is no way that anything could be as difficult to piece together as my teachers were trying to explain. Now I have come to the full conclusion that The Lord Almighty is in control his Kingdom is now and I await my physical death to be with My Lord and Saviour. It is clear and the puzzle fits together so perfectly, study and prayer really pay off. Thank you for this site it is so helpful in my continuous study of the scriptures.
A new Full Preterist is born! Praise God ! Yes folks that is me the new born pret! as in the full fledged type and I'm absolutely thrilled to no end about it despite all the opposition I am up against with my fellow brethren and my wife! It's almost like learning the Bible all over again and I'm loving every moment of it! I still have a lot to learn and have questions that keep coming up and I have to wonder why do my fellow brothers continue to believe that dispensationalist gloom and doom message knowing full well it just doesn't have the capacity or the ability to hold up to God's word! It just amazes me to hear my friend continually defending some of these so called self proclaimed Prophecy experts. When I first discovered Preterism I struggled with it and I struggled, then finally after about 10 minutes I realized that this is what the Bible is really saying. I've always had problems with the futuristic premill pre trib people being lifted off the planet while still breathing message and finally after all these years of listening to that false message God revealed his truth to me in the most kindest way called the internet! : ) Well actually the preteristarchive which was chuck full of scriptures and great articles by some godly men of God. Now that I got that off my chest I need to run along and get back to doing some things. Talk at y'all later. Yours truly, the new born pret.
Fascinating! and very believable...but I do wonder, were only the members of the "Jerusalem church" raptured in 70AD? I can understand why there's no reference to that because the city was totally destroyed and so many died...who would notice? BUT...there were churches in Ephesus, Philippi, Rome, Sardis, etc. Wouldn't SOMEONE have noticed if people disappeared? Wouldn't there be SOME reference to such a "Strange" event?
Believe preterist view is wrong and left behind premillinealism is wrong. George Ladd may closer to the truth Rabbi Yehudah in the name of R. Eliezar Bar Avina said: Two men had the end revealed to them, but it became hidden away from them later on; they are Jacob and Daniel... Jacob here says, '... that I may tell you what shall befall you in the last days, but goes on to speak and rebuke Reuben instead' Midrash Rabbah Genesis 98:3. Targum Pseudo-Jonathan When the twelve tribes of Jacob assembled and surrounded Jacob's golden couch on which he rested, [they thought he would reveal to them the ultimate blessings and comforts]; and after the glory of the shekina of the Lord had been revealed to him, the time when the King, Messiah, was going to come was concealed from him. In Genesis 49 Jacob tells his children I will tell you what is to come in the last days. Genesis 49 is a prophecy that spans Israeli's history and predicts when messiah is to come. That is Jacob poetically describes the Children of Israel's History and reveals when Messiah is to come. There is much more in this passage and there is much I don't understand or understand fully but I hope that it might be revealed to you. I think perhaps yu might because I feel today may be like in Jeremiah where the Lord said backsliding Israel has justified herself more than Judah. That is to say those whom he showed mercy to have proven themselves unfaithful they have not learned from Israel. Therefore He tell the one he formerly rejected to acknowledge her sin and return. The Lord allowed his Glory to pass into the hands of the Philistine gentiles because of Israel's sin but the Glory of the Lord eventually returned back to Israel. In so doing He rebuked those who thought they could use Him for gain but not obey His word. The Lord was magnified in the philistine land but Israel was desolate. Similarly the Lord gained glory to himself in Babylon after the temple was destroyed by the Babylonians in the book of Daniel. The Lord speaks out against those whose lips are nigh to him but there hearts are far from him. Shiloh, The first temple, 70 AD the second Temple. In all these events The Lord gained glory to himself in the humiliation of loss. Gentiles acknowledged the majesty of the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. First the philistines, than the Babylonians, Medes and Persians, and the Christian world acknowledges the God of Abraham, Isaac an Jacob is the one true God. He allowed the sign of his glory and presence to fall into Gentile hands. Repentance is needed His presence and promises can not be taken advantage of. God hates sin he provided sacrifice as an atonement for repentant sinners not to enable sinners in their sinning. The message of Elijah is repentance from sin and believe in the true God for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. The Shiloh incident was an abomination of desolation the Ark in the temple of foreign god Dagon. The holy objects dedicated to the Lord going to Babylon and being used by Belshazzar to toast other Gods. The pig sacrificed to Zeus in the Temple. The Romans ensigns in the temple. The Dome of the rock on the temple mount? . These horrible events happen because of sin. Alas who can live when God does this. Ships will come from the coast of Chittim(west), and shall subdue asshur(Iraq) and shall subdue Eber(Hebrew) and he shall perish forever. The westernmost country in the world is trying to subdue modern day Iraq and is trying to restrain Israel in order to accomplish this.
Dear brother in Christ Jesus our Lord: I didn't actually come to grips with the all-out antagonism displayed by "some" futurists toward preterism till today. I decided just to go to yahoo.com and type in "Preterism" and see what came up. To my astonishment I began to look at over 3000 web pages where out of every 100 there seemed to be at least 95 that were highly antagonistic towards Full Preterism and 90 out 0f that 95 disbelieved it on the basis of traditional thought. Only those 5 out of 95 actually tried to show from Scripture why they were so antagonistic. This produced in me an unsettling disposition that has turned me to tears for the biblical ignorance/illiteracy and tradition over Scripture mentalities so rampant in Christendom today. I have met with not a little opposition since my paradigm shift some 2 years ago. With all of this oppositional hatred for Preterism , (naturally thinking) you would think Preterists would become weary of the constant msunderstandings and open hatred of that which we believe so much to be God's revealed Word. I do believe that those who are so oppositional and antagonistic towards Preterism would be less antagonistic and oppositional if I were Islamic, Buddhist, or Hinduist. Therefore, I conclude in my own mind that just as Art Buckner said so perfectly, (paraphrase) "No one is forced to be a Preterist. We are Preterists because we have put in the time and effort to study believing God will show us His truth. We were not persuaded by popular opinion or by the opinions of others but solely on the basis of Scripture." And this is where I stand today. Noone can persuade me outside the Bible that Preterism is not revealed therein. No amount of opposition will deter me from speaking forth what I believe to be God's Word. I cannot go against my conscience and more importantly against God. The Word of God has become too clear to be vague, too transforming to be mundane, and too glorious to become dull. I am a Reformed Full Preterist, "if they will hear or whether they will forbear" so help me God. May God magnify and make His grace abound to His servants in the face of all opposition that they may not grow "weary in well-doing." God bless all His saints with His truth always and forever. Thank you for your ear in listening to my complaint. God bless you in your ministry. In Christ, Brian
Dear Mr Dennis: For some time my wife & I have been finding it increasingly difficult to reconcile many of the teaching of our church with the words of Jesus, particularly as concern His Second Coming & the events of 70 AD. We have begun seriously investigating the Preterist view point and are finding more and more it answer many of our questions. We have just completed reading your article "Dear Dispensationalist Friend" and found it extremely enlightening. We have also scanned many of the links found on your site. However, one main area of questioning is not discussed in your article and we cannot find any conclusive link on your page which addresses it -Salvation? How are we saved? By believing that Jesus is Lord? Even the demons believe this & tremble. By works? No I don't accept this since the Bible teaches we are justified by faith (although James shows us that our works shows our faith) Are all saved? A REAL problem with this. Is "Born Again" synonymous with salvation? If so why did Jesus tell Nicodemus he must be born again almost 3 years before the cross & that as a scribe of Israel he should understand this. If you know of any site that would address these views, while holding to the Preterist view of Christ, both my wife & I would appreciate your forwarding the listing to us. We want to be absolutely sure that we believe and accept ONLY that which Christ taught - not the teachings of man or church. Thank you very much Yours in Christ A & P F
Today, (4-4-02) I read the article in "What's New" on your website concerning a proposed debate between Historicists and Preterists. I understand why Preterists have so far refused to debate. After reading a few articles I came to the conclusion, "WHAT in the world are they saying?" For I honestly had little clue as to how they decide what the true interpretation of prophecy is. Historicists seem to me to be similar to "sign of the times" prophets of today. They mix and match prophecy with history/happenings as they see fit. I read one author who said that the promise made in Genesis about Christ getting His healed bruised by Satan and Christ crushing Satan's head, that this was progressive throughout all History from the day this promise was uttered up until the End of History. But I believe that this promise dealt with the actual event of the Cross. But Paul told the Romans "And the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly." He was not here saying that He had not already crushed Satan's head in fulfillment of the promise in Genesis, but that Satan would be crushed under the "Romans" feet, and that shortly.
It is the understanding of "time" that would cause great confusion between Preterists and Historicists. For it seems "time" has no specific reference to "when" a prophecy would be fulfilled, but only specific reference after they believe it has been fulfilled "in history." For this is the major division between Historicists and Preterists when discussing "time" statements, that "time" has meaning with Preterists when deciding "when" prophecy was or would be fulfilled but to Historicists "time" has no reference to "when" prophecy would be fulfilled, but only to convey "sometime in History" through various calculations of "days-years." It is History that tells when a prophecy was fulfilled. it is funny that Historicists look at the calculations of their days-years, such as this web page, (www.fpcr.or/blue_banner_articles/lee1.html) yet they cannot tell us anything else until after it has happened. After all these calculations you would think they could tell us when the "end of 'time'" would be. (sarcasm)
I have taken enough of your time. God bless you ministry through Jesus Christ our Lord. In Christ, Brian
great labor of love. I can at least see "men as trees, walking".With some more study using your excellent website maybe I will see everything clear. jronk@neo.rr.com
My name is William Williams, my father is Robert G Williams. He intro. to this site and what a site it is. I just got done listening to the sermon broadcast (Stream) on the resurrection views held by partial and full preterist. It was amazing and what is really amazing is that I just got off work around 1200AM and couldn't go to bed until I heard it all. Thank you so much for this, sad to say you don't hear this in our church but I am teaching my children the correct way and showing them the scripture. God Bless you and your Family. 0301 William
DIANA DAVIES
This is not only a great website but a fantastic ministry to the body of Christ. God bless you and all your efforts. The light is breaking through. Think of where the Church will be a 100 years from now. Most of this nonsense (futurist) will be history. God bless.... Richard. Charlotte, North Carolina
I'm 26 and live in Egypt, father is Egyptian of Syrian origin and lebanees too, mom is not arabic she is Armenian from Armenia , i have 1 brother and 1 sister,i'm very happy person in my life,i live evey moment graduated from 2 faculties the first oneis faculty of arts department Hebrew,and computer science in the American university in Cairo i'm programmer .and translator from Hebrew .live in Heliopolis I'm Good christian , i need to study the bibe , but here as u know in Egypt there is no good materials cz here there are limits in publishing any materials for bible study . so plz sir would u send me CD contain bible commentary for free ... really i need it , not me only but all my church too , they pushed me to ask u this sir .. so plz help me to study God words....and i found ur site sir full of Excellent Commentaries & and some rare materials related for bible studies 4 all the bible , i don't have internet in home and to tell you the truth to go to any internet club is very expensive.
Todd--Although I would fall into the classification of a Lutheran amillennialist, I do appreciate the fine articles you post in terms of quality, depth, and comprehensiveness. Your site has some of the best critiques of dispensationalism I have seen anywhere on the web. Keep up the outstanding work. Pastor Mark Dankof www.MarkDankof.com
I stumbled on your site while searching for some Philip Mauro writings. What a wonderful surprise! Love it. I'll be back. --Naaman Peterson
Todd: For weeks, I have been researching scripture on pre trib, post-trib, and "no trib" doctrine, and I would come upon a stumbling block at every turn. None of it fit together...I'd get so far, then get stuck. I had resigned myself to God to find the truth, and "out of the blue" EVEN before coming to your website, I had a "thought" that perhaps all of the events in Revelations had occurred during the time of Jesus and the disciples. ...and that dispensationalism was a false doctrine meant to give man false peace and security in these days. God was leading me to the truth, I just didn't realize it at the time. I then did a search on "Preterism" and found your site. It didn't take me long to realize this was exactly what I was looking for...every piece in the jigsaw puzzle fit together....no left over pieces...it just MAKES perfect sense! The Bible says the Son of Man will come as a "thief in the night" and it became obvious to me that people are sitting around waiting for the events of Revelations to occur. Mankind is putting off its salvation....when in fact, all that remains is the Great White Throne Judgment. Am I correct in assuming that we ARE those that are living during the period when Satan has been set free for "a little while"? I'm just now delving into the Preterism belief system, which means I feel a need to erase every learning that I have been taught from childhood....and I have alot to learn and study. Are there beginner courses????? This is a very scary but exciting time for me...when you suddenly find yourself catapulted into strange waters, it is a bit of a shock. But I am willing and hungry to know the truth...so that is why I am writing to you. Can you perhaps tell me if there are churches LEFT in the world that still preach these truths? And WHERE would I start to look? I have a ten year old son that needs to be brough up knowing that this is a doctrine that needs to be embraced. We live in Southwest Virginia (near Bristol, VA)...and I am so much in hope we can find a church within our community to attend. Your help is greatly appreciated.
From Critical Articles Dear Brother in our Lord Jesus Christ: I have sent the letter below to P. Andrew Sandlin hoping for a reply. After sending two emails I have yet to recieve a reply. If you would like to post this letter on your website, it might get a speedier reply. May God bless your ministry. In Christ, Brian Hildebran >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
LETTER TO P. ANDREW SANDLIN
Just resending this email in the event you lost it or have forgotten to reply to it. I know that you are busy, but maybe you could find time to simply answer my questions. I again, thank you for your time. Brian Hildebran
Dear Andrew Sandlin: I have just read your Open Letter to Ligionier Ministries and am surprised by the use of Dispensational error to portray the predominate theory of Eschatology of the Church visible today. It is not that I don't believe that Dispensatinalism is an error, but that you use "soft" words to your fellow futurists when rebutting their heresy. Or is Dispensationalism not heresy? Is it "just" an error? Could you explain to me why it is an error and not heresy i.e. How do you know to distinguish between the two? How do you know Dispensationalism is an error and (full) Preterism is a heresy? What makes Dispensational an error only and what makes (full) Preterism a heresy? According to your thinking they are both in error, correct? Then why is (full) Preterism considered heresy and Dispensationalism not? I have only one thought that might be the answer and that is Preterism cannot be applicable in the creeds, but Dispensationalism or its futurist outlook can. Is this the assertion? Is it because Dispensationalism is more orthodox an error than (full) Preterism? Therefore it is classified an error instead of a heresy? How do you know that the creeds support Post-Millennialism more than Dispensationalism? more than (full) Preterism? How do you know that the creeds support the correct theory of Eschatology? Could they not be in error themselves or heretical concerning eschatology? Since the Church is "reformed and always reforming" couldn't this be true? If not, how do you know? I have posed many questions that you seem to provide no answers to as of yet. I look forward to a reply. Thank you for your time and energy. >From a fully Reformed Preterist, Brian Hildebran. P.S. Because I am a (full) Preterist, let that not deter you from answering the above questions. They are all I wish to have answered in your reply. We can discuss or I can read more of your articles afterwards. Permission is hereby given to publish this letter for public observance if the receiver Andrew Sandlin so wishes.
I really appreciate your website. It takes guts to listen to the Spirit in your eart vs. the traditions of men. However, a true prophet finds life lonely at times. Been there, done that. Anyway, below is a link to my small website where I have included your link. I hope you will take a look at it and see if we cross other common paths. I look forward to spending more time studying what you have learned. God bless, Randy Swetnam http://www.grapevine.net/~rswetnam/church/homechurch.html
Dear Friends, I am Postmillenial (Partial Preterist) and I am very glad to see this website. You have some great articles here. I am praying that Jack van Impe and Hal Lindsey will repent of their false teachings or be exposed and deposed by the Lord Himself. It is my hope and my prayer that very soon the stupid idea that the secular atheist communist police state known as "Israel" is near and dear to God our Father, will be exposed as a lie. Who is the Israel of God? Who is the Israel that is NOT of God? Galatians 6:16 And those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God. Jesus tells us twice in the book of Revelation. Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan. Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Jesus answers that question for us TWICE in the book of Revelation! Because he wanted us to hear him. But we like blind and deaf sheep never even noticed what Jesus told us in these two verses. The Israel of God is the Body of Christ and the Israel that is NOT OF GOD is the Revelations 2:9 Synagogue of Satan, The Talmudic Jews and Pharisees who have rejected Christ and fought against his blessed children for nearly 2000 years. If you wish to hear more from me or discuss this further, you may write me at Bob1776@modempool.com I am sincerely yours, Bob from Michigan. PS - I came here looking for an article: The Future of Israel Re-examined by James Jordan - and I did not yet find it. Is it still here?
Dear Friends, I am Postmillenial (Partial Preterist) and I am very glad to see this website. You have some great articles here. I am praying that Jack van Impe and Hal Lindsey will repent of their false teachings or be exposed and deposed by the Lord Himself. It is my hope and my prayer that very soon the stupid idea that the secular atheist communist police state known as "Israel" is near and dear <P>to God our Father, will be exposed as a lie. Who is the Israel of God? <P><P>Who is the Israel that is NOT of God? Galatians 6:16 And those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God. Jesus tells us twice in the book of Revelation. Revelation 2:9<P>I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan. Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Jesus answers that question for us TWICE <P>in the book of Revelation! Because he wanted us to hear him. But we like blind and deaf sheep never even >noticed what Jesus told us in these two verses. The Israel of God is the Body of Christ and the >Israel that is NOT OF GOD is the Revelations 2:9 Synagogue of Satan, The Talmudic Jews and Pharisees who have rejected Christ and fought against his blessed children for nearly 2000 years. <P><P>If you wish to hear more from me or discuss this <P>further, you may write me at Bob1776@modempool.com I am sincerely yours, Bob from Michigan. PS - I came here looking for an article: The Future of Israel Re-examined by James Jordan and I did not yet find it. Is it still here? PPS - ATTN Todd, This Comment page needs a PREVIEW feature. I forgot the HTML flags
I would love to read an online discussion between yourself and one of the editors of Universal Riches magazine. Although I can identify and sympathize with your frustration with Dispensationalism, the Preterist View is equally as frustrating to most seekers of the truth. Much of the last 25 years of my life has been spent in prayer and study of the Bible seeking the truth. The Lord adjusted much of my traditional understanding of the Word as handed down by many Christian teachers within my own denominational background and commentaries from those of other denominational and nondenominational viewpoints. When I accidentally ( or providentially ?) came across a writing by William W. Bentley, Jr. (whom I had never heard of and still cannot find out exactly who he is) entitled "The Simple Story of the Universe" I had pretty much decided that no one had put together in a concise way the truth unfolded in the Sacred Scriptures. I was not gifted enough in writing to do so. I was introduced to the Concordant Publishing Concern through that writing. And it was through links from their website that I discovered your website. I would love to have your comments on that simple story. You will find it at http://concordant.org/expohtml/SimpleStoryOfTheUniverse.html and I pray the Lord will complete what he has begun in you.
Dear Todd, I read a lot your archive. I think you did a great job. The reason why I write ou that I currently published a book about reterism in my country. I can say, reterism is radically new and very little known ere. I'm in serious debates ith futurist since weeks :-) I changed a lot of etters with great preterist writers, Don Preston, Donald Hochner, Richard McPershon and they were really kind and answered a lot of questions. Now, many preterist friends recommed me that instead of long debates I should build a website. I'm working on that, I plan publish there a few chapters of my book, a FAQ (now I have a lot of questions/answers as result of debates) and a few translations. I see your article "Introduction of preterism". Do you can give me permission to translate this with your name - or can do you maybe recommend me another good writings? I mean it will be very good an interesting (but no futurist-blaming) article as introduction which can sum the essence of preterism. Of course, after month of studying, I have questions yet but I can say, I'm convinced, but is is a heavy job to make acceptable for futurists. God Bless You
Here is the Jordan article: ../PartialPreterism/jordan-james_pp_01.html Todd
Hi Todd, I am interested in purchasing the CD Rom advertised on your webpage. I live in Australia. If I understand correctly the CD costs $10 US for international orders. Is that correct? Are you able to accept payment via credit card? In Christ.
Hello, Do you know of any Churches in the San Diego CA that supports this Eschatology? My wife and I recently moved here and it is hard to find a Church Home when all the Churches are ready to leave. We share our views and are then veiwed as Heretics. Can you make a suggestion? TWOBELIEVERS2@AOL.COM
I'M SO HAPPY TO SEE A WEBSITE DEVOUTED TO THE TRUTHS OF PRETERISM! I'VE BEEN A PRETERIST NOW FOR 8 MONTHS. YOUR SITE HAS GIVEN ME SO MUCH GOOD INFO ON THE PRETERIST VIEWS. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK. WITH LOVE IN JESUS CHRIST, PAUL B.
I was wondering, how do you keep up such a fantastic website? I have found other apologetic websites with a few texts, but all of these works and free to read? The quality of this website simply blows my mind. In Christ, Daniel
Todd, One more word: you have, undoubtedly, the best preterist website I have found. I have visited often and will continue to do so. Thanks for your hard work and willingness to help the rest of us out.
So informative, indeed helpful in propagating that "Old Bible truth" that had long been forgotten if not neglected. Yes, this site is indeed for those who wants to leave their comfort zones and start to sweat their quest for an honest study of the Holy Scriptures. Rev. Rene A. Layco Philippines rendigs726@yahoo.com
Thanks so much for the site. I became preterist much in the same way you did in your article, "Dear Dispensationalist Friend." My journey started in seminary and finds great joy and fulfillment today with the discovery of your site. I am currently a Southern Baptist pastor and my family and church thinks my preterist beliefs are rather "humorous." Thanks for your hard work. (P.S. As a former dispensationalist, I absolutely did not see any "bashing" of those with other views - I can see where one would say that as it is always hard to be honest and challenge our own belief systems) God bless!
Thanks so much for the site. I became preterist much in the same way you did in your article, "Dear Dispensationalist Friend." My journey started in seminary and finds great joy and fulfillment today with the discovery of your site. I am currently a Southern Baptist pastor and my family and church thinks my preterist beliefs are rather "humorous." Thanks for your hard work. (P.S. As a former dispensationalist, I absolutely did not see any "bashing" of those with other views - I can see where one would say that as it is always hard to be honest and challenge our own belief systems) God bless!
I live in UK ( not far from Heatrow ) and been fighting a lone battle with Preterism, which it would appear preterism has won. Partial preterism wasnt a serious option, through RC Sproul's book was a real help. What is the price of your cdrom, and how can I go about getting it ? Yours in the Lord Barry
Hasten The Light Ministries, at http://www.hastenthelight.org.nz have a new web site on prophecy issues. The emphasis is essentially the reformed & evangelical spiritual interpretations (progressive parallels, rather than preterist or historical for the book of Revelation ) and a pictorial understanding of Old Testament prophecies that include the words "In that day..." The contributors are Dale Tooley, the director of Hasten the Light, Pastor Trevor Chandler, chairman of Christian Life Churches International, and Lloyd Freeth a returned missionary . There are 45 easy to read studies of not more than ten pages covering most prophecy subjects. Dale, especially, brings a charismatic perspective to his writings. We keep no listings . This is a simple non-commercial invitation to view a web site. Respond to Daletooley@paradise.net.nz
Love this web site. I am a preterist though the denomination that I am ordained through is not. Blessings, David
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF THIS PAGE: ../Preterism/dennis-todd_p_13.html YOU ARE NOT BORN AGAIN SAYING THOSE WORDS, THEY ARE SATANIC! AND AGAINST THE BIBLE AND YOU ARE NOT SUPPORTING THE ROOT(JESUS) A JEW! AND THE DISCIPLES (JEWS) AND THE THREE THOUSAND THAT WERE SAVED ON THE DAY OF FEAST OF WEEKS- I SAYS THAT IF ANY BRING A DIFFERENT TEACH THEN THAT OF WHICH IS BEEN GIVEN DON'T LISTEN TO HIM-- LET HIM BE A CURSED! WE ARE IN ABOUT THE FIFTH SEAL ! REPENT! IF THIS SIN OR JOIN THOSE WHO DEPART FROM THE TRUTH AND YESHUA WILL SAY I NEVER KNOW YOU WORKER OF LAWLESSNESS (TORAH-LESS)IN TRANLATION,BECAUSE YESHUA SAID THAT NOT A YUD(LETTER ) WILL BE REMOVED UNTIL ALL BE FULFILLED! YOU ARE IN WILLFUL SIN! YESHUA SAID HE DID NOT COME TO REMOVE THE TORAH(LAW) OR THE PROPHETS,BUT HE CAME TO FULFILL IT! WITH OUT JEWS REJECTION OF YESHUA YOU WOULD NOT HAVE SALVATION--SO IT IS NOT JEWS THAT KILLED YESHUA,BUT YOUR SIN THAT KILLED HIM ACCORDING TO GENESIS 3:15 THE ORIGINAL SIN IF THE ORIGINAL SIN IS NOT STILL PRESENT AT THIS PRESENT TIME THEN YOU WOULD NOT DIE--IT IS TRUTH THAT WE WILL BE RAISED FROM THE DEAD AND THERE IS ANOTHER VERSE THAT SAYS SOMETHING DIFFERENT IT SAYS THAT NOT ALL WILL DIE --IN THE LAST DAYS --NOW! WE KNOW IT IS THE LAST DAYS BECAUSE IT IS THE TIME OF JACOBS(JEWS) TROUBLE, YESHUA SAID TO LOOK FOR IT IN MATTHEW 24:15 AND IN THE OTHER GOSPELS 3X'S ----THE LAST TRUMPET- TRANSLATION IS THE LAST SHOFAR(PAUL WAS A RABBI AND KNEW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TRUMPET AND A SHOFAR, BUT 1600'S WRITERS DID NOT! IT MEANS THE LAST SOFAR OF THE YEAR! ALSO YOU HAVE KNOW IDEA OF WHAT THE WORD CHOSEN MEANS--IT IS ALSO THE ELECT--OR SAINTS ALL ARE INTER-CHANGEABLE AND WHAT ARE THEY CHOSEN FOR AND IS THE OLD COVENANT IN EFFECT YET TODAY- ANSWER IS YES BECAUSE GOD IS NOT A LIER AND HE NEVER CHANGES --THE ONE THING GOD CAN'T DO IS LIE AND WE CHANGE, BUT HE NEVER CHANGES! YOU FAIL IN YOUR CALL ARE JEW DID THEN --YOU ARE CALL TO MAKE THE NATION OF YISRAEL JEALOUSYIN ROMANS 11:VERSES 11-32 ! THEN SEE IF YOU STILL BELIEVE THE SAME WAY AS YOU HAVE WRITTEN! ARE YOU A FALSE TEACHER AS IT APPEARS! IF NOT THEN REPENT AND DON'T SEW THE SEED OF HATE AS I SEE HERE! REPENT OF THIS SIN!
What is the history of the modern preterist movement? Theologically, who? What? etc.? Thanks in advance. TN
Greetings; Hi Todd, my name is Bob Patton and I live in Billings Mt.. Alittle over a year ago I was introduced for the first time Preterism. I'm 71 and have been a church goer most of my life, and never questioned what main line preachers were saying about the scriptures such as Heb 24 and those in Revelations. So I was always believing Christ was coming again as most do. I can't say that I had never wondered about those scriptures, but never looked any further. As I began to take notice and do some reading, I knew pretty soon I had been mislead and made to believe an false interpretation about these end times and last days which were there in plain sight nearly 2000 years. I began to ask in my prayers for an understanding of these scriptures for wisdom that my mind thinking and reasoning be opened to this subject. It has been nothing less than the flood gates openning upon me. I believe with all my heart that I'm learning, really learning what it's really all about, Jesus, GOD and his word for the first time. It has been nothing short of opening up a whole new world I had never really seen before. Anyway I enjoyed reading your article on the Bearan website and would like to have your website that I might be able to read more. GOD Bless: Bob
This is an incredible website. I am still in a daze wondering where I should even begin to study Preterism, there are so many articles here! I notice a lot of reformed/Calvinist scholarship here; I hope Preterism proves equally friendly to a non-Calvinist like me!
I've been under the impression from people who believe that these are the end times that the time frame really isn't important. Only that we love each other. That given, did God require us to check our intellect at the door? If we don't know when. Or rather, if we will not believe (when), then how then can we believe. If all did not happen, then the prophesies were not correct. We know God makes no mistakes.
Paul reminds Timothy, in the Scriptures, that from a child Timothy had known the Holy Scriptures - the ones prior to the "New Testament." The Torah is the foundation/rock of the New Testament and it is not done away with. All these different theology things are so full of the mind of men. I had no idea what a "preterist" was until a few minutes ago, but it doesn't take into account the whole counsel of Scripture.
Todd, I have not contacted you before so let me express my appreciation for your website now. It was a major contribution toward my conversion to preterism. I was wondering if you know anything about Jack Gillespie, who authored the newsletter called "Odyssey," that is also found on your site? I have emailed the addresses listed on the newsletter, but no reply. Do you know how to get in touch with him. I was hoping that he is still writing as I have found his work very thought provoking. Anyway, thanks for your efforts.
Hi, We just placed a page on our site that you may find of interest. An apologist looks at Carl Stam’s book “Things that Differ” http://www.christianpoetry.org/dissy.html
Hello, my name is John. I've been studying Is.14. can you help me with some history to this passage of scripture? When was this passage of scripture fulfilled, and where can I find the fulfillment of it in scripture? My email address is Cross8813@yahoo.com Thank you, John C. USN, Japan
I am partial preterist from the writings of Pastor Larry Smith of El Campo, TX www.rightlydividingtheword.com The dispensationalism did come from the pits of hell to throw off the Christian. (To keep them in bondage!) You truely need to ask as the Holy Spirit for the TRUTH. I came from a Catholic background, to Charasmatic,(Trinity) to a One-God Apostolic Tongue-talking Holy roller believer in Jesus Christ. AMEN
Thanks for the Preterist Archive. I am an x dispensationalist. I've held to many different forms of dispensationlism over the years in hopes that some of the different (newer) views would fit the scripture. (acts 9-midacts-acts28) Thanks to P.A. I have been able to see the overwhelming evidence both scipturally and historically for the preterist view. I thank the Lord for bringing me out of the wilderness. And I thank you, todd, for the ministry.
I have enjoyed studying on your website. I just have a question. I believe that all of the prophesies were fulfilled between 33AD and 70AD. I understand that most preterists believe that the rapture was purly spiritual however, might it quite possibly have been a physical event and just because we cannot show the evidence yet, does that mean it did not happen. I'm hoping as preterists we believe in the divinity of christ. His resurrection, the healings, his ascension etc. All the evidence of the fulfillment of the prophesies depend immensely on his divinity, who he is. If any one prophesy is said to have not happened, that contradicts his divinity. The reason I'm mentioning this is I have found evidence that the resurrection took place, at Christs resurrection. Read the last book of Mathew when he gives up the ghost. Anyway, I already posted a long message previously, but it seems to have been lost. I'll post again soon. Thanks for the opportunity. God bless you.
I have enjoyed studying on your website. I just have a question. I believe that all of the prophesies were fulfilled between 33AD and 70AD. I understand that most preterists believe that the rapture was purely spiritual however, might it quite possibly have been a physical event and just because we cannot show the evidence yet, does that mean it did not happen. I'm hoping as preterists we believe in the divinity of christ. His resurrection, the healings, his ascension etc. All the evidence of the fulfillment of the prophesies depend immensly on his divinity, who he is. If any one prophesy is said to have not happened, that contradicts his divinity. The reason I'm mentioning this is I have found evidence that the resurrection took place, at Christs resurrection. Read the last book of Mathew when he gives up the ghost. Anyway, I already posted a long message previously, but it seems to have been lost. I'll post again soon. Thanks for the oppurtunity. God bless you.
I am really glad to find that I am not alone in my belief that the end times are not today and that there are people who are using their God given minds to interpret scripture and figure out that it already happened. I have something very interesting to put forward if you will. I often hear questions about the resurrection of the dead from people when thay ask, "What about the resurrection...?" or "If the prophesies were fulfilled then when did the resurrection of the dead happen?" There is astounding evidence that the resurrection of the dead took place not only in Jesus time but at his resurrection itself. In Daniel 12:2 "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt." I believe this prophecy has astonishingly been fulfilled in Mathew 27:51-53. (51)"And behold the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom and the earth shook and the rocks were split(52) and the tombs were opened and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;(53) and comming out of the tombs after his resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many." Since this is a prophecy concerning the "end times" and since it was fulfilled at "Christs resurrection" than there is only one conclusion, that the end times were in his day and not today. And further more since the resurrection of the dead happened, why should not the rapture have been a physical gathering. If it did happen already than there will be places in the bible as well as other writers who recorded it in history. There is verification of the resurrection of the dead and Christs prophecies about the sun and moon being darkened in Pontious Pilates letter to Augustus Caesar in Rome where he writes, " Now when he was crucified there was darkness over all the world, and the sun was obscurred for a half a day, and the stars appeared, but no lustre was seen in them; and the moon lost its brightness, as though tinged with blood; and the world of the departed was swallowed up; so that the very sanctuary of the temple as they call it, did not appear to the jews themselves at their fall, but they perceived a chasm in the earth, and the rolling of successive thunders. And amid this this terror the dead appeared rising again, as the Jews themselves bore witness, and said that it was Abraham, and Issac, and Jacob, and the twelve patriarcs, and Moses, and Job, who had died before as they say, some three thousand five hundred years. And there were very many whom I myself saw appearing in the body, and they made lamentation over the Jews, because of the transgression which was committed by them, and because of the destruction of the Jews and of their law." I believe God did not ask us to check our intellect at the door when approaching scripture. Thanks for the oppurtunity to share my views. God Bless.
I would like to know where Revelation 19:11 through Revelation 22 fit in with Preterism. And if Christ came in 70 A.D. where does the thousand year rule of Christ fit in? I guess what you're saying is that is no Rapture and no one will be left behind.
Dear Todd Thanks for your response. I have read your linked page. May I ask a few questions? Why is the destruction of the last Temple more significant than the others? Do we have any Christian verification of the noise and angels etc? Why does the Apostle John not mention this in his letters dated AD90? If there is no future coming of Jesus, then is our reward a heavenly one? Thanks in advance for answering these questions, this view is new to me, I have never heard it proclaimed either in Church or in college courses. Every Blessing John
Is there anyone in Wisconsin that is a partial preterist and a one God Apostolic tongue-talking Holy Ghost filled Saint? Need others of like-mind. Submit to Hebrews1014@yahoo.com www.rightlydividingtheword.com is a good website too.
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I had been struggling with the "postponed" parousia issue for years. Finally, during Bible studies of the Book of Daniel and Revelation, the absurdity of the Futurist position was driven home to me. Good, decent believers would amble off into conversations about Apache attack helicopters in scripture (thanks, Hal Lindsey). It was nuts...and the logical contortions were painful to watch. To amplify our own study my wife purchased a book called "Revelation: four views" and we were exposed to the preterist position for the first time. I've never looked back. God bless, keep up the good work...let the discussions and arguments proceed and from them the truth shall emerge.
I'm excited this day. I'm living in the fufilled covenant eschatology, which gives me victory. Knowing this, I believe the future holds many positive and bright things. God will use those who are willing and "HUMBLE" to change this world around. Deut. 29:29 "The secret things belong to the Lord our God, bu those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law." The secret things (the mysteries of God) belong to Him and the only way He reveals those Hidden Mysteries to us is through our humility in our walk of faith with the Lord. If we as a new covenant people want to move forward we must realize the same thing the Apostle Paul realized. We must be in agreement (1 Cor. 1:10). With all the fighting that goes on among the Christians I think it's clear to see why "We" haven't been setting the example. All these other religions and groups are looking at us and turning the other way. We must learn to except one another and allow the Holy Spirit (who is present today, dwelling among us) to lead us into all truth. viper
Although, I do agree with the message of Preterism (past-fulfillment), I personally believe there is another approach the some of you can take. You're not going to change anyone with your intellect. In fact you'll not change anyone period. That's the Holy Spirit's job. However, for some of you that don't believe in the giftings of the Holy Spirit today I'm not sure how you expect to make a change. Jesus and His Apostles and prophets faced the same problem back in the first century. The religious order of the day was trying to rationalize everything using their intellect. Often times the intellect of man prevents him/her from understanding God's Revelation. This is a precious thing, to understand the Lord through Revelation. Let's learn to move with the leading of the Holy Spirit and He'll guide us into all truth. We're faced with many challenges today in our world and we as believers need to work together to change them. Learn to examine the motives that you take before jumping on bandwagons. If we allow pride to stand in the way of the us and God, we'll undergo similar problems. The Law of Sowing and Reaping is still in affect. "Do not be deceived, God is not mocked. Whatever a man sows that he will also reap. If he sows to the flesh he'll of the flesh reap corruption. If he sows to the spirit he'll of the spirit reap everlasting life"(Gal. 6:6-7). We know that God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble (James 4:6). The best wisdom a man can give is to stay humble and seek after God's will. Pride will always come before a fall... Kyle
Keep spreading the message of the Past fulfillment. Don't lose heart. Remember humility will reach people better then arrogance.
We must view the Bible with the "eye" of covenant. Seeing from the perspective that God has always made covenant with man on the earth. Moses writes in Deut. 29:29 "the secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things which have been revealed belong to us and to our children forever." In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth (Gen. 1:1). Moses understood this, because the Lord revealed it to him. It was hidden from his sight, until the Lord revealed it. God created man and women. He gave them a specific assignment, which was, "Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth and subdue it" (Gen. 1:28). Eventually sin entered the world, through Adam's sin. The message of the Bible was regaining what had been lost. God paid an ultimate price sending His Son to do away with Sin. Then Jesus came to destroy the old covenant (AD 66-70). The mystery however is, that we're living in the fulfilled "new covenant." Many people know this by intellect, but unless the Lord reveals through Revelation the fullness of this new covenant can't be understood. Seek after God's kingdom. We live in the fulfilled new covenant, lacking nothing. The Holy Spirit is still present today to lead us into all truth. Through His (Holy Spirit's) leading, we will affect change in this culture, becoming Christ in the earth, which is our central calling. -Amen-
I grew up in a Bible church being taught dispensationalism and Arminianism. During the past two years I was exposed to Reform Theology and have become convinced that it more closely fits the teaching of the Bible than Arminianism. I have always been upset at the wild predictions of the dispensationalists and the huge amount of money they make. During the Gulf War a local pastor said that Saddam was the Antichrist.
I would like to read a verse by verse description of the Revelatoin of Jesus please send me a web sight or book name of the subject please.My web address is antwade63@netscape.net thank you very much
I am a christian This is a excellent site a blessing to be able to study here Thank you Sharon roseofsharon5@shaw.ca and also hallelujah772000@yahoo.ca
Very nice and useful site. Found you on Yahoo dir.
I may have thanked you in the past but I'm letting you know again what a wonderful and helpful site the Preterist Archive is. It answers so many of my questions and I appreciate all the work you have saved my husband and I in our search for truth. God bless your continual understanding of his word.
Hello Todd,
I have been recently searching for a way to contact David Chilton, other than sending a letter to the Dominion Press in Fort Worth. My father found this link and sent it to me. I am surprised and sad to hear of his death. Please forward my condolences if it is applicable. I am co-teaching a young adult's course in prayer at the church of Christ in Fullerton, So. California. Part of the introduction to the course is the establishment of Christ's church, and the importance of proper worship and the maintenance of God's law (no changes, New Testament law is New Testament law). The beginning of chapter three in "The Great Tribulation" has some outstanding material in regards to the apostasy that was taking place during the establishment of Christ's church. I would like to use that portion of the text, which David has thoroughly backed with scripture, to assist in identifying similar activities that are currently taking place, and practices that are accepted today. The objective is to inform the students/class of current issues and how to identify these activities, and to be better prepared for discussion if the opportunity arises. If you are not the right person to ask, would you please forward me to the proper individual? If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask.
Thank you for your time
Pree-terism is baad.
Hello I believe a search function would make your website even better. Imagine all those who came to your website looking for comments and insights to a specific topic, quote, verse, or passage that ended up leaving your website because they felt it's too big to wander through in the hope of bumping into what they are looking for. Spencer Morrison
I really listened to your program for the first time this morning. Do you have daily scripts on the internet so that I can make a copy to share with my husband. I found the topic so interesting.
Thank you again. I have been a student at the Preterist Archive for almost three years. I have spent as much time trying to get my church into a Berean spirit. There dispensational and futurist backgrounds are too deep, and a number of other vision issues and the challenges of completing a major building project have brought me to the conclusion that I need a change. Preterism and its paradigm shifting truths just does not seem to be mixing with traditional Christianity. Do you see us needing to start home fellowships as a movement, or should we stay and try to get our message heard. If so, are there any in the Phoenix area you know might be interested in a preterist fellowship? Blessings
Its with immense gratitude that I type out this email. I read practically every thing you put on the web page. Today you had an article "Modern Dispensationalism And The Doctrine Of The Unity Of Scripture" and I thought that I was reading something that was written just recently only to find at the end that it was written in 1936. We really need to study what has happened since, no heed was taken by the dispensationalists. The other day in reading my Bible I came to Matt.3:10 "the ax is laid at the root of the tree" and not leaving the stump like in Dan.4:15 but to eliminate completely.Then in Matt. 21:18-20. Christ curses the fig tree and it withers immediately. This is written in the context of Christ's dealing with the Jewish autherities. The figs that were not availeable at that point would never be availeable. The problem with dispensationalism is that they, the dispensationalists, still want to pick figs where there are none and never will be again. Under separate cover I will order Version 2.0 in the near future. Again I want say thank you for your websight and you must put an immense amount of work and time into it and I regard it as a gift.
The following is conversation/debate between myself and a Father of an Orthodox Church from the FIRST CHURCH: The Society of St. Joseph of Arimathea. The debate was on Convenant Theology and Eschatology. Below is a great example of how Dispensational Futurism is incapable of handling Preterism. Father Jim Rosselli's webpage is: He can be reached at: frjim@angelfire.com Write him today! And let him know what you think about his antics and sarcastic demeanor. Let him know his behavior is unacceptable as a Church Father! --- Dear Matt, I've been trying to think what to say to you, for close to a month, now. The only thing that comes is to urge you to get a realistic grip on yourself and your situation before God, and to stop insisting on being a horse's ass. In 2 Tim 2:14-18, God, through St. Paul, condemns the notion that the Resurrection has already happened, and rebukes Hymenaus and Philetus as traders in empty words and disruptors of peoples' faith. As far I can see, you haven't disrupted anyone's faith. Orthodox believers have a long and thorough Catechumenate, at the end of which they're pretty solidly anchored. You have, however, certainly traded in empty words. Your website is one of the most impressive testaments I've ever seen to high-quality, well-thought-out and painstaking, wasted labor. What prodigious effort: piling words upon words, citing (and often abusing, but that's neither here nor there) source after source, all for what? For an effort that's doomed from the start, because the Word of God has already declared it's a load of crap. Matthew, you are a promising young man: handsome, obviously intelligent, probably from a good background. So, life is occasionally boring. What do you do to set yourself apart, in a world where everybody rebels against convention by wearing his (and her) Sperry Topsiders without socks? If you are of a spiritual mind, maybe latch on to some outrageous heresy and set about seeing if you can convince people of it; become a figure of controversy, a talked-about agitator, a challenger of minds. Been there, lad, done that. Got the polo shirt. Wasted precious and irreplaceable time. Squandered talent. Flushed years. You will, too, if you aren't prepared to listen to anyone but yourself. What are you looking for, Matt? For the world to tell you you've got a free pass, because you're so brilliant? It won't. There aren't any. At any level. All the passes cost, whether you live in a trailer park or in the White House. And one day you wake up and realize you aren't a promising twenty-three-year-old anymore, and that now you're expected to keep the promise. You aren't a "young theologian testing yourself," Matt. Where are you studying theology? Under whose guidance is your soul? Under whose tutelage is your mind? Where is the professional and spiritual community before whom you must test your assertions? What you are is a young guy with a decent mind, who is testing a novel and tasty ("daring" might be the word you'd use--I bet you think this song is about you...) heresy. The fact that it was specifically denounced in the Bible just makes it sexier. I don't know if you have any actual interest in Jesus Christ, Matt, or in becoming a Christian. I do know that what you pretend to be peddling isn't going to bring you any closer to Him, and that if you keep up the pretense long enough you might actually start to hang your self-image on this bullshit, and acquire a real emotional need to defend it. Choose Christ, Matt. From the outside, He looks pretty dull, in need of a makeover and a new wardrobe. But those who know Him have embarked on an incomparable adventure. I hope one day you'll want to hop on for the trip. Fr. Jim
I should correct a couple of things in my message above. First we were debating via email. So you're viewing a response, not anything I wrote. Also, if you choose to contact him, let me know how he responds. Thanks so much!
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My name is Tim from Marshfield Wisconsin. I wish I could find for sure what kind of church would be non dispensational. I'm entering everything I can think of to find non dispensational churches for my area, but I'm not getting quite what I need. If I could just find what denomination would be non dispensational I could look in my phone book for that church. My email address is thwiths@charter.net
Hello Thank you for adding the SEARCH function to your website. I've used a few times so far and it works well. For all you who are planning to use the SEARCH function: after you click the "Google Website Search Funcion" phrase on Preterist Archive's Home page, be sure to scroll down to the bottom and click on the phrase "Search within results" (which is on the right side of the grey rectangular Google button) so your searches will be limited to just the documents in Preterist Archives. Spencer Morrison, Georgia
First of all let me say how much I appreciate the web site, It's been an invaluable source of info in my research about prophecy. I also wanted to let you know that I was in a barnes & noble bookstore tonight, and Tim Lahaye has another new book out. While reading part of the book he mentions how ridiculous the preterists are in believing that the book of revelation was written before 70AD, and the thought occurred to me that yes, he is mentioning preterists in a negative light, but my point is that he is mentioning the idea of preterism, and if someone reads his book (as well as other authors that mention preterism) and has never come across the idea of preterism there is a good chance that they will at least do a little research on preterism, and thus they will get a chance to read and learn about the truth about prophecy. Well, keep up the good work!
Dear Todd, I am trying to link your site to mine, but am not sure where to place the script. Where should it go? Also, would you do me the kindness of linking my site to yours? Kurt Simmons. www.preteristcentral.com God's blessings!
Todd - Computer linked you up all by itself when I entered www.preteristarchive.com. Dont know why I was stymied in the first place:) Check out our new link page -www.preteristcentral.com. Hope you will link us up also. God's blessings. Kurt
I recently stumbled across the Preterist Archive and read your article "An Introduction to Preterism". I found it very intriguing, but being that I am a neophyte in the study of eschatology, I am far from believing a full preterist view. I am, however, interested in understanding your hermeneutic better. Can you explain to me, or guide me to an article or site that would explain what does a full preterist hermeneutic lead us to believe about what happens when we die? Are we resurrected into a spiritual body? Will the Earth as we know it ever cease to exist? I have so many questions, I don't even know where to begin. What is your view on the millenium? What is your definition of the millenium? From what I understand from your article, I guess you are amillenial? Or do you completely remove yourself from other eschatologies? In other words, are we in heaven now? Are we in our resurrected bodies now? These questions may seem foolish to you, but in order for me to gain a better understanding of the viewpoint, I really need to understand thelogical conclusions of the stance.
[TDD: Here is from the dEmEntiA Page] Dispensationalists, in order to protect this doctrinal novelty, celebrate a "literalist" approach to Scripture. In order to be able to prove or disprove Dispensationalism, this method of Biblical interpretation must be examined and understood. I recommend reading the following work on the question of hermeneutics.
How the O.T. Prophecies of Israel were Interpeted by Paul (Philip Mauro, "The Hope of Israel")
Greetings I am looking for preterists of ANY kind to make contact with in New Zealand. Please email me at trinitysusana@yahoo.com Thanks Graeme Smith
Dear Sir- Giant peoples and powerful reigning dynasties have out of the blue disapeared. They went to war once, and now their great nation is no longer existant. Then we take a people like the Jews. So small, who started as no more than just group of people wondering unknown lands. And these tiny people making up the smallest percentage of world religions has been subject to more pain and more agony than any other people in the history of the world. Pogrom after pogrom; exile after exile, and massecre after massecre. And mirraculously, they are still here today. Great Nations reduced to nothing all because of one war... but the smallest most defensless people in history have been slaughtered more than any other people, and we are still here today. A great nation still reigning on. Face the facts. We cannot be destroyed.
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I would have asked this question on a chat line but I am using my companies server and they block usage of chat lines. However, perhaps somebody will pick up this question and provide a suitable "layman's" answer? What kind of dates (if any) were authors using in historic text before we started referring to everything as, "the text was written 500 years B.C., 1050 years B.C, etc."? It stands to reason that the writers before Christ had no knowledge that Christ would be born some time into their future. Thus all text written after his birth has allowed us to chronologically date accordingly. This is a question my 12 year old son came up with and I must profess I have no idea what the answer is but I thought it an interesting question and I'd love to know the answer myself if there is one. thank you. A. Tin email: anne.l.tin@gsk.com November 6, 2002 A.D.
I've been visiting your website for about three years now and have recommended it to many others. It is truly an exceptional site and an obvious labor of love. I am so pleased that you post dissenting views and allow readers to draw their own conclusions. Until three years ago I'd never even heard the word preterist. When I did and began to investigate I was immediately overwhelmed with the far reaching implications of the view. Having been a pan-millennialist for most of my adult life, my attention was caught by the tractor beam of reality. IF preterism is correct, then it truly does make a difference what one believes about the last days. At first, I was intrigued. Then the lights started going on as scripture after scripture began making sense. Now, I know of no other view of eschatology that maintains the integrity of scripture like preterism (or as I really prefer to say - biblical eschatology). Have you seen a little book by Wanda Shirk called "Resurrection"? I've read your position and wonder if you have considered her take on "I am the resurrection and the life". She views this passage as something of a parallelism with the statement that follows: "...he who believes in Me shall live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me shall never die." To those faithful who died physically Christ was resurrection at His coming in 70. To those who were alive physically, he was life (zoe). As believers, we don't need resurrection because we have life and will never die. Do you see a parallelism in this passage? Again, thanks for your effort here. It has played a large part in the development of my thinking in this area and I appreciate your diligence in your calling.Your servant in Christ
Mr Dennis, I enjoyed your article, via internet, about how you came to the preterist belief. My mother was of the preterist belief, however, she did not try to persuade me as I was growing up. She taught me about God and the morals he expected of us and lived a good christian life before me. I did understand she had a completely different belief concerning the second coming than most people, especially established demoninations. But that was about all the details I knew. When I accepted christ at age 20 (I'm 59 Now) I didn't start going to church. I would'nt have know which denomination to choose. Which one was right? So I decided to search the scriptures for myself. I was certain God would help me understand if I went to him with a humble and open mind to his leading. I soon found out how Mom had come to her understanding concerning the second coming. The evidence was everywhere in the new testament. As I dug deeper I could see it was born out in the Old Testament as well. Only then did she and I begin to talk about the details of her belief. My brother who is a Baptist, has always maintained Mom taught me to beleave what I beleave, but it is so untrue. I think maybe thats the only way he can reconscile the fact that I am a Preterist. I find it amazing that more people have not come to this belief, considering how very plain it is in the Bible. I've often wondered why that is. I have thought it may be because when most people are born again they almost always attach themselves to a church. Then many just accept that churches doctrine, instead of going directly to God and the Bible for their understanding. The Bible states we need not that any man teach us, the holy ghost will teach us. Now as much respect as I have for some preachers, I want my information from the source. I just in the last 4 years became in touch with computers and the internet through a job. I had been a stay at home mom for about 25 or thirty years, then was thrown out into the job market, cold turkey, due to my husbands illness. Needless to say I went kicking and screaming, complaining to God about my dilemma. Up untill then, I knew very few people who beleaved like I did, mom and one cousin. The preterist way can be a very lonely christian walk. A lot of religious people act as if you are blaspheming when you speak of your beliefs. Some times I would question & second guess myself, maybe I am wrong, You would think there would be al least a few who be like minded--but when I would go to Gods word , he would just reassure and affirm that I was right. So the question would be who should I follow man or God, the answer was obvious. Untill I had access to the internet, I didn't even know what my belief was called. I've also talked to a few by email and read so many preterist articles. I have so enjoyed being put in touch with other preterist. See if God had not put me in this job , I woulnd't be blessed with all this preterist fellowship. He does know best after all.
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I'm inclined toward preterist theology, but still can make no sense of what this means in a practical and spiritual sense to the life of a believing Christian today. The world still appears as broken, hate-filled and as sinful as ever. The outrages, sufferings and crimes of today, and the last century especially, are an abundant and incontrovertable witness to this fact. The world does not seem any better from a human social perspective, only more technologically advanced, in the last 2 millenia. Sure, Christianity mitigates against excess and evil in some cases, but not all. Additionally, other religions which deny Jesus and his mission abound and prosper -- i.e. Islam, the world's fastest growing belief system while Christianity fails to make significant inroads into Asia and Africa and elswhere. The only victory I feel I can claim as a Christian is that Jesus takes away my sin and deserved punishment for those sins and that when I die I can look forward to eternal heaven. As for the present physical life on earth, there is still prolific imperfection, abundant suffering, scarcity, fear, anxiety and hate -- just as there has always been. Of course, there are many, many good things, too, which I daily give thanks for, but again, that such good things exist and that blessings come is just as it has always been. I guess the only conclusion I can draw if I accept preterism, is that Jesus came to take away our sins if we accept him, he accomplished that fact on the cross, was resurrected, ascended, then returned 40 years later to pass judgment on Jerusalem and take up his "elect" before returning to heaven where He will one day receive us. Meanwhile, the world goes on as always and we just try to get along as best we can while keeping the faith and trying with the help of the Spirit to live Hiscommandments. Is this what preterismentails?
Recently I came across a book about this topic of "Preterists". I bought a book called " The book of Revelation" by Foy E . Wallace, Jr. What It revealed was something that I've been suspecting for a long time now. As a matter of fact, I didn't know where to start looking for others with this biblical view so I took a few names mentioned in his book and entered them into the computer.....and I came to this web section. I've been looking for a church to go to, but I can't think of a place that teaches this type of view. Do you know where I can find others that believe and teach this ? Is there a list of pastors that believe and teach this view in the US? Actually, this was a real blessing and a comfort to me, finding this book and finally realizing that my suspisions were correct. Where do I go from here? Any advice to me ? Wouldn't I be better off not going back to these places that teach misguidance? Thanks for your article and I hope that you may have some info or could suggest a book . Thanks for your time.
Hi! I've found that most Churches that start with "reformed" i.e Reformed Presbyterian, Reformed Methodist, do take a Preterist view of scripture. There are quite a few (well enough) of this around to be able to find one in your area. This isn't always the case, so I suggest just opening up the yellow & white pages and calling each one and ask them what their view of Eschatology is. Hope I helped, and good luck with your search!
Hello. The question I have to full preterests is this. Do you believe in the "Physical" ressurrection of Jesus and that he appeared "physically" to his diciples and others after the reaaurrection? The reason I ask is this. I have heard about the word "Parousa" and that preterests do not consider it to mean a physical appearance. I have heard that preterests believe that the judgement on Jerusalem was seen as his second comming. I also believe that view, that the judgement in 70 a.d. was prophesied and fulfilled and that was "part of his second comming" However, might it not be possible that he could have been "physically" present at the war in Jerusalem as well as the actual war itself being seen as his second comming? The fact that his resurrection was revealed as a physical appearence being seen by his diciples and others eating fish and by Thomas touching his wounds would lead me to believe that he would have "physically" been at probably one of the most important events in the Bible. If you believe in his physical resurrection, healings, appearences etc., then how do you conclude thathe would not appear physically? We already know to look for the second comming between 33 a.d and 70 a.d. Why not keep looking for the taking up of chosen in that time as well?
I was linked to one of your anti-semitist articles only ten minutes ago and I am disgusted on how you created your own false quotes from the Talmud. You're information was disgusting and misleading and most of the time completely contradictory to itself. The entire article was a lie and only meant to spread blind hatred. Is this was Preterists do? Spread lies and hate? -Eviscero JaCKnows@hotmail.com
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I have read yor copies of Milton Terry's "Apocalypse of the Gospels" and Ernest Hampden-Cook's "The Christ Has Come" and find them both excellent explanations of the Preterist belief on the past fullfillment of Biblical prophesy. I would love to find copies of these two books to pass on to friends and am hoping you might know where I could purchase copies for my own collection. If you know of anyway I could order copies of these two books, I would appreciate hearing back. Thanks for your hard work bringing to light the truth of our Lord's Second Coming. Holly Snead hsnead1@earthlink.net
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Very helpful web site, thank you. You might add or note Swedenborg as among those who taught that the Second Coming of Christ has already occurred (and is still occurring) and that it is a spiritual coming of enlightenment (which Swedenborgians believe has been occurring in the religious and political freedoms since the 18th century). Jim Lawrence ----------------- Rev. James F. Lawrence, D.Min. Dean, Swedenborgian House of Studies at Pacific School of Religion 1798 Scenic Ave., Berkeley, CA 94709 Phone: 510.849.8232 Fax: 510.849.8296 http://www.shs.psr.edu
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I think you may want to check this guy out. He says he is the return of the biblical figure Daniel, at the end of the days (Daniel 12:13) He also has a preterist view of biblical prophecy, but has also received NEW visions for the present and near-term. It sure is an incredible story, but he is very sincere. Go to: http://finalbookofdaniel.com Peace, Mark
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Todd, It's unfortunate that you've decided to be a heretic. I may get around to responding fully to your arguments, but not today. I have my doubts as to whether someone with your theology can even be saved, but I'll reserve judgment on that. Suffice it to say that were I a pastor of a church you wished to attend, I would bar you from becoming a member, or, if you already were, would move to have you excommunicated for false doctrine. Take care, Andy
Thank you Todd for your article "The Abomination of Desolation Has Been Placed". I am dismayed that so many read, and teach scripture ignoring key scripture that make things so very clear. "This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." How can anyone miss it?
Has anyone tried to join the apostolic-friends network, I have been trying now for like 3 months. I did ever thing right (HolyGhost filed and baptized in Jesus Name). So if anybody knows what is going on I would love to know. Also if anybody would like to chat I live in Arkansas, email me apostolic_boy@hotmail.com or knows some cool places to chat on the net for single 26 year olds. HeHe In Jesus Name Apostolic Preterist
Happy New Year! Tired of unchanged resolutions? Jesus Christ is the only way. "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!" 2 Corinthians 5: 17 NIV. Romans 3:23 NIV says "for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". "God will give to each person according to what he has done. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil. "Romans 2:6-9NIV. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.Matthew 13:41-42 NIV. HOWEVER, THE GOOD NEWS! John 3:16 says God loves us so much that he gave his only son so that we may have eternal life. " ...If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved." Romans 6:23 NIV"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" Romans 10:9-10 NIV. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."1 John 1:9 NIV. Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior?