Guestbook Log For 2001
WHATSNEW 1996-97-98-99-00-01-02-03-04-05-06-07-08 || GUESTBOOK | ARTCHIVE
Graham Old
I am really enjoying your site. I daily find myself "slipping" into full-preterism even whilst I'm trying with all my energies to fight it!
This is a great resource that you are offering, Todd. Please rest assured that even if I stay a Partial Preterist I will continually argue for inclusion of full preterists into the body of Christ. I am ashamed of the actions and attitudes of some of my brothers and sisters.
To glorify the God of Grace by magnifying the grace of God.
thank you so much for making this web site,, I cant wait to explore it. I am not so new to preterism.but am new to reconstructionist theology.So this will be a big help I hope . Thanks again! Angela Hackler
Thanks for the abundance of material for a gold mine of facts and authors. I have been doctrined in Schofield for many years, but from studies about futurist theology and dispensations I had to spend hours studying scripture. My computer has been a blessing in finding The Preterist Archive. I am sharing it with Sunday school teachers and printing files for future sharing. Some dispensational chat rooms have been directed to this archive.Sure would be great if futurists could all be preterist converted.Monte McDowell
Did not know until now that my husband and I are full preterists, .... not until we chanced on your website. There are no preterist church in our community as a result of which we study on our own. Therefore, thank you for giving us an avenue to be able to "fellowship" with likeminded believers through the Net
I wish we could all agree on this subject.
The only way you can believe in a single appearance of Jesus in the future is to comingle 'the seizing' of the saints as recorded in I. Thess. 4:17 with the Second Coming of our Lord, as recorded in Revelation 19:11-16. In the first passage He is coming for His saints, and in the latter passage He is coming with His saints. '. . . the armies which were in Heaven.'
As of August 16, 2000 I was awarded the Th.D. degree and wrote my dissertation on "Quasi-Augustinian Theology." If you study history and the theology of Augustine you will find that Calvin merely rubber stamped his teachings which of course were Roman Catholic. In my study of the Bible for forty-six years, I have found that 'Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement, and Irresistible Grace are clearly the errors of 'medieval theology.' Thank God the Holy Spirit has opened the eyes of the majority of God's people. Also, John 1:9 will allow a shimmering of light to enter the Calvinistic tent of 'total depravity.' Yes, we are depraved but human beings have not lost the 'total image of being created in His likeness.' By now you might have guessed that I believe in 'the Millenimum'and its promised future home being in Jerusalem. (Zachariah 14) Especially vs. 9 & 17 . . .
I will study as I can, this source, concerning the coming of Christ. I have always been anti-dispensationalism for without cause, it gives two means of grace (one to the Jew and one to the Gentile) which Scripture never has.
Again, I look forward to the works; one paramount question I have, which in my first two articles (maybe you could lead me to one quickly...hehe)which I have read has not been answered. If Christ has already come, what now? The new heavens and new earth, when? The judgment, when? etc.
Thank you for your help in this if you are able to respond.
Hi there, Todd. Just checking out your site and thought that I would drop a hello and see how in the world you guys are...Take care. In Christ, David and Laurie Young
I have always been fuzzy on these words, like preterist, pre-millenial, etc. I bought a Strong's concordance and looked up rapture. It isnt in there. Jesus taught "second coming" but he did not specify an hour or a day. And then, scriptures seem to contradict each other. Example: "heaven and earth shall pass away, behold I make all things new."
Yet, "the utmost bounds of the everlasting hills." and "thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven."
For me, this may be lazy, but I think "sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof."
Just heard two people from your web-site on a Christian radio program yesterday; I had been totally unaware of the Preterist point of view till then. What they had to say made so much sense and answered many troubling questions I'd had about about traditional end-time teachings.
Thanks for such great number of informative articles. Lee Hodges
Its really weird......I have been avoiding the FP/PP views on eschatology for a few years for the dispensational view because that is how I was taught in Bible School, anything else seemed utterly absurd. After reading many, many articles in the Archive, I am convinced (for a start) that the Partial Preterist view is much superior and Biblical as compared to the Dispensational view point. After coming to grips with Mt 24 and various chapters of The Parousia, I dont see how anyone that is sane could accept Dispensational eschatology. First, the Preterist view in general makes more sense of Election, takes the sensationalism out of the Faith so one can simply OBEY the Word of God and not feel the need of "maintenance dose" of some news event in the middle east or Europe to validate what they feel they might believe. I will keep marching forward! Mike Smith Columbus, Ohio
A great Web-Site,very interesting and informing. thanks for puting it on the web. dean361@webtv.net
I am 47 years old, raised in a Christian home with the pre-mil rapture dispensationalist point of view, and had never heard of preterism. I was put onto your website, and my mind is forever changed. Clearly, two or three generations in North America have been steered wrong in the study of eschatology. So many things now make sense that were mysterious and vague. Although there are still unanswered questions about many details, even the book of Revelation makes perfect sense...I guess that makes me a full preterist, and I don't know how anyone could ever go back. Thanks for all the resourses available at this site. (Philip Mauro should be required reading for any serious student of the Bible.) Ken G.
Thompson on Romans 7 interesting Thompson: We can do all things through Christ;
mark: we can not do anything to earn any blessing from God, cannot do anything to obtain the righteousness required for grace to reign, since that righteousness is not from us having a good self-image but from imputed righteousness
Thompson: we are more than conquerors; if we walk in the Spirit, we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh (Phil 4:13; Rom 8:37; Gal 5:16).
mark: the flesh has an unlawful desire to earn some blessing by our imperfect "victorious" living
Thompson: We are able to mortify sin, and yield our members to righteousness (Col 3:5; Rom 6:13,19).
mark: who's the we? Only those who know that their acceptance and blessing is NOT based on their mortifying will ever be able to even begin to mortify sins. We can call no sinner a regenerate man who is not a justified sinner, and we can call no man a justified sinner who does not know and submit to the gospel of imputed righteousness
thompson: The habit (present tense) of the R7 man is similar to John’s statement in 1 John 3:10, "he that doeth (practices) not righteousness is not of God…"
mark: 1. the same tense is in I John 1: if we are continually claiming that we are not continually sinning, then we are continually liars 2. How much righteousness much you practice, and what is your motive for practicing it? 3. Do we have a righteousness that "as righteous" as He is righteousness? How would we receive that kind of Righteousness? How did Abel receive it? By believing the gospel. By obeying the gospel of a righteousness found in the sacrifice of another and NOT in another causing you to be victorious enough
mark mcculley
I am looking for a Full-Preterist explanation of the present state and role of Satan and his angels; also of the causes of our sinful thoughts and actions. I've tried the Preterist Archive search engine without success (my incompetence?). Any source appreciated.
Ian ian.major@btinternet.com
Hello and God bless all. I am premill, moderate dispesational, and enjoy reading other viewpoints.Your site has many resources which can point the avid reader to other directions in which to interact with.While I do not espouse preterism I can find many points we hold in common rather than focus on what we dont agree on. This is a sad commentery on Christian unity to see the disagreeable spirit so prevalent with those who do not see things exactly the way we see them. May we be more like Him and demonstrate Christlike attitudes in the area of escatology.
One of the differences between the preterist camps is due to a very simple mistake when looking at the answers that Christ gave in Matthew 24. As many today make the same mistake, as I also did until it was pointed out to me. The Disciples misunderstood what Jesus was saying as indicated by the answer Christ gave them. I'll get back to this but first, the time in establishing when Revelation was written. I at one time thought that the figure in my Bible was correct as to the approximate time they gave which was around 85 AD but when careful consideration to what the scripture itself says, not our relatively contemporary scholars point of veiw, it was written before 70 AD. When you see that Rev 17 :10 says that the Revelation John was receiving was during the reign of the sixth King. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come,and when he comes he must continue a short time. The count begins with Julius then Augustus, Tiberius, Coligula, Claudius, Nero (one is), Golba (the other has not yet come). That puts the time when the Revelation was seen by John at 64 AD. As a side note even though Josephus was not inspired as scripture was he is a very good source for historical data. He recognized the second King as Augustus and the third as Tiberius. Even though Julius was not technically a King, the Jews recognized him as the Emperor (who's face do you see on the coin? Then render to Caesar...). The one who has not yet come, Golba, remained a short time...7 months. Once the correct time of Revelation is established it begins to make all the sense in the world. If it was after 70 AD then the Jews would be correct in waiting for a rebuilt Temple and a restored Roman Empire. As established by the correct count according to scripture, the events that occurred were all that was needed to fulfill the prophetic word. In Mark 11 :12 -14 Jesus curses the tree for making display but having no fruit, just as He will judge the temple in (verses 15 -17) and predict its destruction (13 :2). He says, " Let no one eat fruit from you ever again". And His disciples heard it. The disciples standing there with Jesus in Matthew 24 understood what He was saying concerning the Temple but what was so hard for them to accept was how could this be, that is, the destruction of the Temple that Christ told His contemporary listeners standing there. Jesus in Matthew 24 verse 2 was being very clear to the disciples. He said; "Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left upon another, that shall not be thrown down." There is no way to side step the issue. The Temple is in their view as He is talking to them.The next thing that happens is now the Disciples are found doing some quick recalculation on what it must mean.They know that Jesus means what He is saying, they trust Him and know He is the Son of God. They were considering their misunderstanding about what the prophet said about an everlasting Temple so He must mean the end of the world as we know it. Here is where the scripture shows that they did not have a correct understanding about when would these things be and the end of the age.As they are sitting on the Mount of Olives they are saying tell us. When will these things be, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age? The Disciples believing that these events are to be concurrent, understood the sign of His coming to be with reference to the end of the age and to be equivalent to the sign of the destruction of the Temple. They thought it was all pointing to the same thing. In other words they believed that the coming destruction of the Temple was to occur at the second coming of the Lord. One of the errors that many make today is if He is not coming until after the Temple is rebuilt and the sacrificial system is reinstituted, and the Roman Empire regain power, that there is no need to hurry and to be ready for His return. Here is where the question must be divided to make it clear. John the Baptist said the axe is already laid at the root of the trees and ready to fall. Jesus in Matthew 24 tells when and how it is going to fall. What is essential to the answer Jesus gives is to see how He separates what the Disciples had united. Jesus separates the destruction of the Temple from the end time or the end of the Messianic age. He divides their wrongly worded question. First He speaks of the when and sign that is to precede this destruction and then secondly He speaks of the when of related matters of the end of the messianic age which would occur when Jesus comes again a second time, visibly, at the end of the age. The first of these, the destruction of Jerusalem is the content of Matthew 24 :4 - 35, and then the end time, the second coming, forms the content of Matthew 24 :36 through the end of chapter 25. To survey in a broad sweep the answer that Jesus gave we have to take note of the prejudice predisposition. Secondly,we have to look at the Word of God and see what that says in contrast to their prejudice predisposition. Finally to take note of histories Amen, the confirmation of history. The prejudice predisposition is a bias both then and now about what these things meant. Just think of how many times you have heard something and how many people sense something is true because they hear it so many times without really questioning what they have heard and it becomes popular opinion about something. For instance, politicians have propagandized issues of taxation. They say that a wealthy individual is not paying his fair share if the three times the amount he is paying over an individual that has less, is reduced to two times the amount. That has been pumped into some peoples minds for so long and with their own covetous predisposition think, yeah, that sounds right. Or the issue of what is religious Vs governmental as to what has separation or authority. What would you have assumed when you read Matthew 24 and Jesus speaks of false Christ's, wars and roomers of wars, famines, earthquakes, the gospel preached to all the nations,the abomination of desolation tied in with Daniel, the great tribulation, false prophets, the son and moon darken, stars falling from heaven and the Son of Man coming on the clouds. If you have not gone deeply in on this it will be at best a superficial understanding. The church of our day has been predisposed to thinking that these verses in Matthew all pertain to the second coming. Jesus closes the first part of His answer with a definitive pronouncement in Matthew 24 :34 He says "Truly I say to you,(present tense) THIS generation (not That) will by no means pass away till all these things take place". All of the problems we face with today's scholars would be corrected if we let this verse have its natural meaning. This is an issue of will we take Jesus at His word. If we do not then what we are doing is trying to force the text of God's word to the system rather than the opposite. I of course am not saying that the brethren that do this are insincere. Here is a case where the opponents say that you need to take the word of God literally but here verse 34 not to take it literally. The debate centers on the meaning of the word generation. If I were to say that within a generation, every American home will be on the information super highway, you would understand what I mean by the time reference of within a generation. Your not thinking I am prophesying something 2000 years from now. Anyone that holds to the understanding that Matthew 24 is unfulfilled prophecy has to find a new meaning of the word generation. The normal alleged solution would say that here in this place that the meaning of generation means race or Israel. That He is not talking about the contemporary people standing before Him.The only place in scripture where generation (ganea) is used as race is in contrast to other nations. A comparison that need not go beyond the contemporary generation. In Matthew's gospel it is only employed of a contemporary people as we would use it. There is no overwhelming evidence that would give this a rare meaning. It is used as the contemporary generation then living. A generation is 40 years. My opponents agree the meaning of generation but in order to make their system work they say," but here it must mean something else". Further more we have the added grammatical argument when the demonstrative pronoun (this) is used. It doesn't say a generation. It says THIS generation. THIS underscores the temporal contemporary nature of it. This generation, not some future generation. Only a necessity arising from a wrong view of prophecy would cause reasonable men to alter the word in this particular area. The argument does not hinge on grammatical correctness only but also upon what we find in the word itself. In Matthew 23 Jesus denounced the Pharisees for their hypocrisy. In 23 :32 He said," Fill up the measure, then, the measure of your fathers guilt". Jesus is indicating their sin for the cup was full. Then in verse 35 His judgment. That on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah,son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the alter. Then verse 36 ; "Assuredly, I say to you,all these things will happen upon THIS generation." The cup of iniquity was filled by that generation by the reaction to the Savior. Their utter wickedness towards the Lord. Luke 19:44 Jesus weeps over Jerusalem. He says ; "they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation." The debt of sin was due upon them. Matthew 23 :37 Jesus laments over Jerusalem. He says, " O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house ( is ) left to you desolate ; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!" We must always be careful that we never pervert the clear scripture meaning in order to promote our personal point of view. There is an absolute need to view the scripture in context to the whole. the moment we take scripture out of its present context it quickly becomes perverted, even though not purposely. Most can not relate to anywhere in history where what is spoken of is clearly seen and so conclude that He must be talking about some distant event in the future. In Luke 23 : 28 - 30.Jesus says,"Daughters of Jerusalem,do not weep for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. For indeed the days are coming in which they will say, " Blessed are the barren, wombs that never bore, and the breasts which never nursed!" "Then they will begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us! and to the hills, Cover us!" For if they do these things in the green wood, what will be done in the dry?" The daughters of Jerusalem can not be a people 2000 years into the future. It is clear who is under judgment. So when Jesus says this generation, He means this generation. Before these people have all died off these things are going to come upon this generation. With a quick review. When Jesus prophesied the destruction of the temple, the disciples responded to Him with the question of when, and implied it would be at His second coming. Jesus is willing to answer the question but He divides the question. There is judgment upon Jerusalem and the temple. This generation, and the second coming at the end of the age,(future generation). Of this future generation He says in verse 36 of Matthew 24, But of (THAT) day and hour no one knows. Here He has given them an answer as to when all these things will take place but as to the second coming no one but the Father knows. He has answered their questions not as they asked but as they should have asked if they understood correctly that these were clearly two separate and distinct times. Histories AMEN: Looking back at history ask the question, what if Jerusalem had not been destroyed? What if the temple had not been left without one stone atop of another as was prophesied would happen? We would have to think that Jesus must have meant something else. The obvious question is whether there was an event in the history of that generation to be proportionate to the language of that prophesy of the first half of Matthew 24. If we go back into Old Testament language, the terminology of that language was commonly understood by the contemporary people of that day. They, being very well versed and emersed in their meanings. If this makes sense as you check these things out we could get into the meanings that are in Revelation. They heavily weigh in Old Testament definition. I don't know if you are familiar with Gentry but he stated," That if the great tribulation refers to the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70, then all futurist interpretations collapse. So does pessimism created by an eschatology of a predestined defeat." Josephus was a Jew, and a Priest. He was not inspired by the Holy Spirit but was an eye witness to the events and is a valuable source of information. In one of his works entitled The War Of The Jews, a work that was written in AD 75. He states his position in reference to all this," Whereas the war which the Jews made with the Romans hath been the greatest of those not only that has been in our time but in a manner of those that ever were heard of, both of those where in cities have fought against cities and nations against nations". What he is saying is that there has never been a war like this one. According to Josephus this resulted in 1100 thousand deaths or 1.1 million. Other historians concur with approximate number of human lives lost. 97,000 were captured. Then there was such a famine that destroyed more steadily. Then the Romans set fire to the city and entirely demolished it. Just 35 years earlier Jesus prophesied that all of these things were to come upon them, and it did. Jesus wanted them to understand that the fulfillment would occur in their lifetime. We wait the conversion of the Jews and the second coming of our Lord. These events are a foreshadow of coming events. What significance is there for us today? As we live we have time to prepare. Today is the day of salvation. The great day of the Lord is His victory of destroying death. All men are defeated by the preaching of the gospel. In Isaiah 9:6 ,7 The end is one of total victory." For unto us a child is born,Unto us a Son is given; And the government will rest upon His shoulder, And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end, Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom, To order it and establish it with judgment and justice From that time forward, even forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will accomplish it. All that occurred is a warning to us and for instruction. I have to ask myself that if I had been there at that time would I have listened to the warnings? Would I have fled to the mountains as commanded? It applies to us today. We are to heed His warnings with fear and trembling working out our salvation. We are called to not only a general repentance but specific repentance as well. We are warned that if we do not want Jesus as Lord and repent as well, He says to us, "Do not weep for Me but weep for yourselves". He has conquered death. That is what all of this is about. He is victorious and He lacks in nothing. He has fulfilled His promise of vindication. This is why we have to be careful to not try to explain our end by a newspaper exegesis. We stand too close. We have to stand back to get the picture and whatever events we see must be examined only by what God said He would do. We see a tiny segment of history, that which we are a part of but the Lord sees all of it, history, past, present and future as if it were ever before Him. We need to determine whether we will be like the Jews of old or whether we will heed the warnings and come to Jesus. We have a benefit of learning from what happened in history. We need to be ready for when He comes a second time. 1 Corinthians 15 : 53 - 56 for this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortality has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: " Death is swallowed up in victory." " O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?" The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, who gives us victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. In Him,JC
My name is David Cooper and I have been powerfully touched by your messages on preterism! I have come from a background that believed in a futuristic viewpoint regarding eschatology etc. I have been a pastor for a number of years and your website has changed my life and given me fresh insight and clarity into the scriptures. Thankyou.
I have never seen such garbage in all my life. Israel is Israel, and God's elect. He has never changed his mind. Believers in Yeshua (Jesus) were GRAFTED IN, not replacing Israel. Check the Word.
Thanks for the permission to publish your valuable contents from preteristarchive.com.
Presently, I would like to print small tracts on Preterist view. To convey the message to our fellow-Christians.
Here in Dubai, India there are many small denominational churches.
70% are Indian churches. Very apocalyptic in nature!
I use to go to one of the dispensational brethren churches. They don't agree with preterist views. But I have many close friends in our church who have a very positive view about the AD 70 doctrine.
Now I am an independent Preterist activist in Dubai. Getting in touch with many Christian leaders and planning to share about more on realized eschatology.
The work is very slow and steady. Because "coming of Christ" is a very sentimental and emotional hope - which is very strongly attached with many Christian belivers.
Preterist view is a rude shock to many Christians here.
I am praying, that our Lord Jesus might open their spiritual eyes, which has been blinded for many years in our churches.
Brother, we need great men of God to spread preterist view.
I am just a humble servent or student of the bible who is learning about this great scriptural truth and sharing to lay Christians.
You have done a marvellous job by constructing this great web-site preteristarchive.
Christianity has to be reconstructed again. You have played a vital role in expanding Christ kingdom on this earth.
Praise the Lord!
May God bless your family and your church abundantly. ---
Sushil George
I just want to say what a refreshing, uplifting and humbling message from Sushil George! It is believers such as that who will be the architects of true understanding in this Millennium. The critically important change, away from old religion and into true faith will continue, so long as there are servants like Sushil George.
May God grant all of His children the eyes to see.
Steve Smith, Sunnyvale, CA
I am so happy to have been linked to this site, what a great resource. Janet
I think Gary North's article of 5/6 is shockingly convoluted. The resurrection is past, no matter how much one may want it to be in the future. This principle should make better sense to a Calvinist... especially one familiar with Covenantal bodies and such as is Gary.
John 3:6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."
thanks for the site!
My name is Elijah Alfred Alexander, Jr. and as I read the Bible I find that Jesus said that John the Baptiat who is to reincarnate as Elijah (Matthew 11:11-15) is the one who all of the prophets and law are to. He further said that Elijah would restore all things (Matther 17:10-13) therefore it is Elijah who will (Revelation 12:1) be clothed in truth, walk in the way the prophets have foretold, draw his knowledge from 12 different sources and give birth to the child representing both boys and girls are man.
My URL; http://prop1.org/protest/elijah/nature.htm E-mail; the0natureboy@about.com
A wonderful website to introduce Christians to a wide variety of other views on the book of Revelation and eschatology.
Hi. Your site has been extremely helpful to me in my search for answers in eschatology. Learning the 1st century history has made all the difference in my interpretation of scripture.
Cynthia
Honestly, I'm very confused on the whole issue of prophecy interpretation. When I was a dispensationalist, I thought I knew it all. I had the timelines memorized and could tell you when the witnesses were coming and how the judgments fit into the tribulation and "great tribulation." I studied everything I could from that viewpoint.
<p>When I was 17, I finally came to a realization that dispensationalism was full of holes. I threw away all of my timetables and many books that I had nearly worshiped all that time before. I became an amillennialist.
<p>I now realize that there are so many things that Revelation includes that I need to learn: things about Jewish history <i>and</i> about Rome. I would love to understand it all, but I think that's a lifetime journey (if it could even be achieved with that much time). First, though, I want to know how the millennium fits with preterism. My understanding right now is basically partial-preterist. I feel that the Millennium is the present time (since the fall of Jerusalem/Rome) and that the time may be approaching for a physical return (parousia) of Jesus. At the end of the millennium, there is a resurrection of all who are not believers. "I saw the dead, small and great, standing before the throne" (Rev. 20.12; <font face=symbol>kai eidon touV nekrouV, touV megalouV kai touV mikrouV, estwtaV enwpion tou qronou</font>). I would be thankful for any comments on how the millennium fits. Please, e-mail me at <a href="mailto:parousia_occ@yahoo.com">parousia_occ@yahoo.com</a> with any comments. Thanks.
<p>Jason
Many people ask the question: Okay, what now? How does everything apply to us if the "Second Coming" occurred in AD70?
Please allow me to take a stab at it:
Now, in the New Heavens and the New Earth of the Realized Kingdom, our PERSONAL eschatology is that which is "at hand". In the Old Heavens and Old Earth, those people who died went into Hades awaiting the Day of the Lord. When He "appeared" to judge the OH&OE, He raised those people from Hades to His Throne to be judged. From this time on, all who die go immediately into His Presence to be judged. The righteous receive their glorified bodies (cf. 2 Cor 4:14-5:10) and begin dwelling with Him there. The rest of us dwell with Him here through the Spirit, and await the dissolving of our tents, so that we may receive the incorruptible, immortal, eternal body prepared for us by Jesus.
So all of the "at hand" prophecies in the NT apply to our "death".
My wife and I own a christian bookstore. Having recently with a few of my friends came over to the Partial Preterist viewpoint I have been looking for some of these titles mentioned in the archives to sell in our bookstore. Unfortunately I have not been able to find them on any bookstore database or even find an outlet to purchase these books at wholesale to sell to our customers. Anyone who could help me with any information please contact Chuck at woodman777@aol.com. Thank you
The study of fulfilled eschatology has blessed my life immensely. No evangelical believer craves the thought of being marginalized, but sometimes it is the only way to be truthful. Thank God that John Knox did not fear being marginalized, nor Luther, nor Calvin. May the whole beloved body of Christ come to embrace completed eschatology, for the glory of God!
Paul Richard Strange, Sr. dadprs@hotmail.com 119 Marvin Gdns. Waxahachie TX 75165
Hello. My name is Ronnie Turner. If you are in the Cincinnati, Ohio area and are interested in finding a friend who has embraced covenant eschatology please e-mail me at turnerround. God bless your studies.
Excellent site. Appreciate your including contrary opinions (albeit most I read seemed shallow and/or off the point). Well done.
Court Newton, Jr.
Hi, great site! Your viewers may greatly appreciate the rare information below!
LOOK: Learn the FACTS instead of FICTION! Holy Secrets plus Forbidden Knowledge revealed to Seekers of truth concerning: "Aliens", "UFO"s", "Malakim", "Holy (?) Bible", "Tree of Life", "Pardes", "Creation of man", "Prophecies", "Conspiracies", "The REAL 10 Commandments", "How we were all deceived by religions", "The real "Jesus"", "Sphinx", "UFO's" and the Bible", "Yahweh", "Yahveh", Elohim, Yeshua, The REAL "Jehovah", "Holy Sex", "Crop-circles" and the Bible", "Messianics", "Noachides", "Netzarim", "Nazarenes", "Esoteric secrets revealed", "Secrets of the Great Pyramid", "The Essenes", "The REAL Hidden Torah Codes", "Yahuah", "Yahshua", "Yahushua", "Gematria", "YHWH", "YHVH", " Tetragrammaton", "Ancient Wisdom", Secrets of 'Kabbalah', 'Qabalah', 'Cabala", "The Unknown", "HaShem", "Secrets of the Hebrew Aleph-Bet", "Sabbath", "Sepher Yetzirah", "Zohar", plus hundreds more fascinating "Forbidden Subjects"! Results of 40 years of relentless research. Please Sign our Guestbook! Two amazing web sites! www.webruler.com/torah Also: www.holy-secrets.com
Raptureready.com disagrees with what you say,and you are avoiding Revelation 3:10,and Revelation 4:1,and has anyone checked out the info at:<p>
http://www.rapturesolution.com/beechick/Intro/7reasons.htm<p>
it has some good info,you guys need to take into consideration.
Hi Todd, Michelle and kids, how is life in the great Northwest?? Just checking out the site to see what is new and to see how things are for you all. Hope to hear from you...David and Laurie Young Dlforeveryoung@aol.com
I work at a christian bookstore (largest chain in the country) and regularly hear riducule of the pretersist view when new books arrive. also, many are sent back due to the manager and asst. manager claiming the books to be "blaphemous" (they go back to the distributor and the publisher along with joyce meyer and benny himm) if you ever need and article that deals with this type of thing, please let me know. i have been in the christian book industry and see this type of "discrimination" occur all the time. thanks
Donna McLamore Lubbock, Tx dgmclamore@msn.com
I would love to hear from anyone, particularly inmy area as I do not know of anyone escept my immediate family who believes the Preterist view and would like to start something in Lubbock.
heya! Great site!
Beth:
It was nice meeting and talking with you yesterday on the telephone. The web address for Peter Marshall Ministries is:www.restoringamerica.com
I look forward to talking with you again soon.
God's richest blessings to you!
Ken Neal kneal@cuyahoga.lib.oh.us
I thank the Lord daily for your site. I am a convinced believer in (Preterist) Completed eschatology with eternal ongoing results. Yours in Christ Mark Strange
Happy 5th anniversary, Todd. Keep on keeping on. You are needed. Arthur Melanson
Well Done on this site Todd. Thank you for an informative, fair and broadminded presentation. Few webmasters have the courage to treat critical and and varying views with the even handedness found in preteristarchive.com.
Albert J. Persohn, Eagerly Awaiting The LAST DAY ... ... ... of Dispensationalism!
Great site Todd! Congratulations and God's blessings! Bud Fleisher
Dear Todd, Happy 5th and thanx for your site. I read your bio and found it almost a carbon copy of my experience. I am 46. Twenty two years ago I came to the Lord influenced by you know what book,went to a Bible college 1 yr..went from dis.to historic pre-mil,loved amil. because of fig/spiritual method ,read the Bible alone and discovered past fullfilment.Exciting! gchays@mailexcite.com
I haven't visited your web site in a long time. What a blessing! So much hard and long work has gone into it. It is such a tremendous resource.
Thanks for your contribution to the cause of Christ!
This blasphemous site was spammed on many Christian message boards. SCUM OF THE EARTH
Hi Todd: Since I once attended John MacArthur's church, I listened in on for a few minutes to the audio tape. I say only a few minutes because after five minutes I realized this was going to be yet again another "speech" filled with rhetoric, and just about void of truth. I say that because this man on the tape says that the Preterists base their "whole theology" on the basis of a misunderstanding of "one" verse, Matthew 24:34!
Well I knew than that he, like all of the critics of Full Preterism I've read so far, either don't know or ignore the facts. They all seem to studiously avoid the dozens and dozens of second coming immency time statements in Scripture that verify the Full Preterist view. And they say we are deluded?
HELP! I am writing a paper for a New Testament Book Study class, and I was wondering 2 things: who created this website and the date it was first created. If anyone knows this information, I would be extremely thankful! THANKS<Lauren>
Todd,
If I haven't already, congratulations of five terrific years of service to the Christian community with this web site. It's hard to believe that five years have gone by so fast. Like they say, time flies whether you're having fun, or not!
When you're busy schedule allows, drop by the Preterist and Biblical Theology forum for some rather controversial discussions about the ramifications of fulfilled theology.
It was your web site that lead me to the places where I could meet others who shared my desire to explore the Scriptures without fear, or the need to conform to financial necessities. I thank the Father for that and you.
Steve Smith
Part II.-The Descent of Messiah into Hell
Greek Form.
Chapter I (17).
Joseph says: And why do you wonder that Yahshua has risen? But it is wonderful that He has not risen alone, but that He has also raised many others of the dead who have appeared in Jerusalem to many.1 And if you do not know the others, Symeon at least, who received Yahshua, and his two sons whom He has raised up-them at least you know. For we buried them not long ago; but now their tombs are seen open and empty, and they are alive, and dwelling in Arimathaea. They therefore sent men, and they found their tombs open and empty. Joseph says: Let us go to Arimathaea and find them.
Then rose up the chief priests Annas and Caiaphas, and Joseph, and Nicodemus, and Gamaliel, and others with them, and went away to Arimathaea, and found those whom Joseph spoke of. They made prayer, therefore, and saluted each other. Then they came with them to Jerusalem, and brought them into the synagogue, and secured the doors, and placed in the midst the old covenant of the Jews; and the chief priests said to them: We wish you to swear by the Elohim of Israel and Adonai, and so that you tell the truth, how you have risen, and who has raised you from the dead.
The men who had risen having heard this, made upon their faces the sign of the stake, and said to the chief priests: Give us paper and ink and pen. These therefore they brought. And sitting down, they wrote thus:-
Chapter 2 (18).
O Yahweh Yahshua Messiah, the resurrection and the life of the world, grant us grace that we may give an account of Thy resurrection, and Thy miracles which Thou didst in Hades. We then were in Hades, with all who had fallen asleep since the beginning of the world. And at the hour of midnight there rose a light as if of the sun, and shone into these dark regions; and we were all lighted up, and saw each other. And straightway our father Abraham was united with the patriarchs and the prophets, and at the same time they were filled with joy, and said to each other: This light is from a great source of light. The prophet Hesaias, who was there present, said: This light is from the Father, and from the Son, and from the Ruach Hakodesh (“H-ly Spirit”); about whom I prophesied when yet alive, saying, The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, the people that sat in darkness, have seen a great light.2
Then there came into the midst another, an ascetic from the desert; and the patriarchs said to him: Who art thou? And he said: I am John, the last of the prophets, who made the paths of the Son of Elohim straight,3 and proclaimed to the people repentance for the remission of sins.4 And the Son of Elohim came to me; and I, seeing Him a long way off, said to the people: Behold the Lamb of Elohim, who taketh away the sin of the world.5 And with my hand I baptized Him in the river Jordan, and I saw like a dove also the Ruach Hakodesh (“H-ly Spirit”) coming upon Him;6 and I heard also the voice of Elohim, even the Father,7 thus saying: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.8 And on this account He sent me also to you, to proclaim how the only begotten Son of Elohim is coming here, that whosoever shall believe in Him shall be saved, and whosoever shall not believe in Him shall be condemned.9 On this account I say to you all, in order that when you see Him you all may adore Him, that now only is for you the time of repentance for having adored idols in the vain upper world, and for the sins you have committed, and that this is impossible at any other time.
Chapter 3 (19).
While John, therefore, was thus teaching those in Hades, the first created and forefather Adam heard, and said to his son Seth: My son, I wish thee to tell the forefathers of the race of men and the prophets where I sent thee, when it fell to my lot to die. And Seth said: Prophets and patriarchs, hear. When my father Adam, the first created, was about to fall once upon a time into death, he sent me to make entreaty to Elohim very close by the gate of paradise, that He would guide me by an angel to the tree of compassion and that I might take oil and anoint my father, and that he might rise up from his sickness: which thing, therefore, I also did. And after the prayer an angel of Yahweh came, and said to me: What, Seth, dost thou ask? Dost thou ask oil which raiseth up the sick, or the tree from which this oil flows, on account of the sickness of thy father? This is not to be found now. Go, therefore, and tell thy father, that after the accomplishing of five thousand five hundred years10 from the creation of the world, thou shall come into the earth the only begotten Son of Elohim, being made man; and He shall anoint him with this oil, and shall raise him up; and shall wash clean, with water and with the Ruach Hakodesh (“H-ly Spirit”), both him and those out of him, and then shall he be healed of every disease; but now this is impossible.11 When the patriarchs and the prophets heard these words, they rejoiced greatly.
Chapter 4 (20).
And when all were in such joy, came Satan the heir of darkness, and said to Hades: O all-devouring and insatiable, hear my words. There is of the race of the Jews one named Yahshua, calling himself the Son of Elohim; and being a man, by our working with them the Jews have crucified him: and now when he is dead, be ready that we may secure him here. For I know that he is a man, and I heard him also saying, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death.12 He has also done me many evils when living with mortals in the upper world. For wherever he found my servants, he persecuted them; and whatever men I made crooked, blind, lame, lepers, or any such thing, by a single word he healed them; and many whom I had got ready to be buried, even these through a single word he brought to life again.
Hades says: And is this man so powerful as to do such things by a single word? or if he be so, canst thou withstand him? It seems to me that, if he be so, no one will be able to withstand him. And if thou sayest that thou didst hear him dreading death, he said this mocking thee, and laughing, wishing to seize thee with the strong hand; and woe, woe to thee, to all eternity!
Satan says: O all-devouring and insatiable Hades, art thou so afraid at hearing of our common enemy? I was not afraid of him, but worked in the Jews, and they crucified him, and gave him also to drink gall with vinegar.13 Make ready, then, in order that you may lay fast hold of him when he comes.
Hades answered: Heir of darkness, son of destruction, devil, thou hast just now told me that many whom thou hadst made ready to be buried, be brought to life again by a single word. And if he has delivered others from the tomb, how and with what power shall he be laid hold of by us? For I not long ago swallowed down one dead, Lazarus by name; and not long after, one of the living by a single word dragged him up by force out of my bowels: and I think that it was he of whom thou speakest. If, therefore, we receive him here, I am afraid lest perchance we be in danger even about the rest. For, lo, all those that I have swallowed from eternity I perceive to be in commotion, and I am pained in my belly. And the snatching away of Lazarus beforehand seems to me to be no good sign: for not like a dead body, but like an eagle, he flew out of me; for so suddenly did the earth throw him out. Wherefore also I adjure even thee, for thy benefit and for mine, not to bring him here; for I think that he is coming here to raise all the dead. And this I tell thee: by the darkness in which we live, if thou bring him here, not one of the dead will be left behind in it to me.
Chapter 5 (21).
While Satan and Hades were thus speaking to each other, there was a great voice like thunder, saying: Lift up your gates, O ye rulers; and be ye lifted up, ye everlasting gates; and the King of glory shall come in.14 When Hades heard, he said to Satan: Go forth, if thou art able, and withstand him. Satan therefore went forth to the outside. Then Hades says to his demons: Secure well and strongly the gates of brass and the bars of iron, and attend to my bolts, and stand in order,15 and see to everything; for if he come in here, woe will seize us.
The forefathers having heard this, began all to revile him, saying: O all-devouring and insatiable! open, that the King of glory may come in. David the prophet says: Dost thou not know, O blind, that I when living in the world prophesied this saying: Lift up your gates, O ye rulers? Hesaias said: I, foreseeing this by the Ruach Hakodesh (“H-ly Spirit”), wrote: The dead shall rise up, and those in their tombs shall be raised, and those in the earth shall rejoice.16 And where, O death, is thy sting? where, O Hades, is thy victory?17
There came, then, again a voice saying: Lift up the gates. Hades, hearing the voice the second time, answered as if forsooth he did not know, and says: Who is this King of glory? The angels of Yahweh say: Yahweh strong and mighty, Yahweh mighty in battle.18 And immediately with these words the brazen gates were shattered, and the iron bars broken, and all the dead who had been bound came out of the prisons, and we with them And the King of glory came in in the form of a man, and all the dark places of Hades were lighted up.
Chapter 6 (22).
Immediately Hades cried out: We have been conquered: woe to us! But who art thou, that hast such power and might? and what art thou, who comest here without sin who art seen to be small and yet of great power, lowly and exalted, the slave and the master, the soldier and the king, who hast power over the dead and the living? Thou wast nailed on the stake, and placed in the tomb; and now thou art free, and hast destroyed all our power. Art thou then the Yahshua about whom the chief satrap Satan told us, that through stake and death thou art to inherit the whole world?
Then the King of glory seized the chief satrap Satan by the head, and delivered him to His angels, and said: With iron chains bind his hands and his feet, and his neck, and his mouth. Then He delivered him to Hades, and said: Take him, and keep him secure till my second appearing.
Chapter 7 (23).
And Hades receiving Satan, said to him: Beelzebul, heir of fire and punishment, enemy of the saints, through what necessity didst thou bring about that the King of glory should be crucified, so that he should come here and deprive us of our power? Turn and see that not one of the dead has been left in me, but all that thou hast gained through the tree of knowledge, all hast thou lost through the tree of the stake: and all thy joy has been turned into grief; and wishing to put to death the King of glory, thou hast put thyself to death. For, since I have received thee to keep thee safe, by experience shall thou learn how many evils I shall do unto thee. O arch-devil, the beginning of death, root of sin, end of all evil, what evil didst thou find in Yahshua, that thou shouldst compass his destruction? how hast thou dared to do such evil? how hast thou busied thyself to bring down such a man into this darkness, through whom thou hast been deprived of all who have died from eternity?
Chapter 8 (24).
While Hades was thus discoursing to Satan, the King of glory stretched out His right hand, and took hold of our forefather Adam, and raised him. Then turning also to the rest, He said: Come all with me, as many as have died through the tree which he touched: for, behold, I again raise you all up through the tree of the stake. Thereupon He brought them all out, and our forefather Adam seemed to be filled with joy, and said: I thank Thy majesty, O Yahweh, that Thou hast brought me up out of the lowest Hades.19 Likewise also all the prophets and the saints said: We thank Thee, O Messiah, Saviour of the world, that Thou hast brought our life up out of destruction.20
And after they had thus spoken, the Saviour blessed Adam with the sign of the stake on his forehead, and did this also to tire patriarchs, and prophets, and martyrs, and forefathers; and He took them, and sprang up out of Hades. And while He was going, the holy fathers accompanying Him sang praises, saying: Blessed is He that cometh in the name of Yahweh:21 Alleluia; to Him be the glory of oil the saints.
Chapter 9 (25).
And setting out to paradise, He took hold of our forefather Adam by the hand, and delivered him, and all the just, to the archangel Michael. And as they were going into the door of paradise, there met them two old men, to whom the holy fathers said: Who are you, who have not seen death, and have not come down into Hades, but who dwell in paradise in your bodies and your souls? One of them answered, and said: I am Enoch, who was well-pleasing to Elohim, and who was translated hither by Him; and this is Helias the Thesbite; and we are also to live until the end of the world; and then we are to be sent by Elohim to withstand Antichrist, and to be slain by him, and after three days to rise again, and to be snatched up in clouds to meet Yahweh.22
Chapter 10 (26)
While they were thus speaking, there came another lowly man, carrying also upon his shoulders a stake, to whom the holy fathers said: Who art thou, who hast the look of a robber; and what is the stake which thou bearest upon thy shoulders? He answered: I, as you say, was a robber and a thief in the world, and for these things the Jews laid hold of me, and delivered me to the death of the stake, along with our Sovereign Yahshua Messiah. While, then, He was hanging upon the stake, I, seeing the miracles that were done, believed in Him, and entreated Him, and said, Lord, when Thou shall be King, do not forget me. And immediately He said to me, Awmane, awmane: to-day, I say unto thee, shall thou be with me in paradise. Therefore I came to paradise carrying my stake; and finding the archangel Michael, I said to him, Our Lord Yahshua, who has been crucified, has sent me here; bring me, therefore, to the gate of Eden. And the flaming sword, seeing the sign of the stake, opened to me, and I went in. Then the archangel says to me, Wait a little, for there cometh also the forefather of the race of men, Adam, with the just, that they too may come in. And now, seeing you, I came to meet you.
The saints hearing these things, all cried out with a loud voice: Great is our Sovereign, and great is His strength.23
Chapter 11 (27).
All these things we saw and heard; we, the two brothers, who also have been sent by Michael the archangel, and have been ordered to proclaim the resurrection of Yahweh, but first to go away to the Jordan and to be baptized. Thither also we have gone, and have been baptized with the rest of the dead who have risen. Thereafter also we came to Jerusalem, and celebrated the passover of the resurrection. But now we are going away, being unable to stay here. And the love of Elohim, even the Father, and the grace of our Sovereign Yahshua Messiah, and the communion of the Ruach Hakodesh (“H-ly Spirit”), be with you all.24
Having written these things, and secured the rolls, they gave the half to the chief priests, and the half to Joseph and Nicodemus. And they immediately disappeared: to the glory of our Sovereign Yahshua Messiah. Awmane.
FOR STIMULATING READINGS ABOUT THE SCRIPTURES SEE:
http://www.piney.com/ApocalypticIndex.html
Goodwill to humanity!
Hi Folks,
I have to disagree with the article The "Babylon" of Revelation is referring to Jerusalem
By Greg Kiser
ROME and the Vatican are a better fit, especially when one looks at the corresponding items in Daniel. Anyway, I'll send more facts a little later. But, basically you folks make the most sense- theologically- of all the prophecy ideas.
GOD Bless,
Randal Eck
If Christ is not to return physically and visibly, then that leaves us unredeemed. Paul's hope and the early church's hope was in the redemption of their bodies. (See Romans 8.) I do not wish to sound mean, but isn't that why full preterism should be considered heretical--because it therefore leaves us unredeemed?--calvinistjosh@hotmail.com
Redemption was connected to the destruction of the Second Temple in A.D.70. The 'body' to which Paul was referring was also not just individual bodies, but by extension the 'body of Christ,' which is also the New Covenant temple. Read John Gill's Hebraic Commentary Todd
Todd, That cannot be. Romans 8:23 says that we await the redemption of our bodies, plural--not singular, body. --Josh (Look at Ephesians 5:23 - it is spoken of as one body encompassing all)
This Website has been an enlightening source of information that has helped me put most of the "End Times" issues into proper perspective. May the Lord continue to reveal more light through this site.
I am happily, a preterist, after searching the Holy Scriptures for 20 years. I currently attend a Calvary Chapel, and to their chagrin am winning not a few converts to this view of eschatology! Please pray for my continued success in bringing God's Word to bear on this important subject. Love, Luke
Even tho I dont agree with you on all the things that I have look over, you do have a nice page and I enjoyed it and will be back. I always say God bless to anyone who is telling people about the Son of God, that is the Christ, even Jesus himself. al