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It's great to know that your Preterist Archive is reaching around the globe! It is so much needed! So many folks are held captive by traditionalism in Bible interpretation. It is refreshing to witness such supreme dependence on the Bible alone (and not on the uninspired creeds and confessions) in determining what the Scripture would have us believe. So often quoted, but so infrequently believed, is that old principle: "Comparing Scripture with Scripture is the key to a correct hermeneutic." You have some neat ideas on your Web page; keep up the good work for our Lord. May He see fit to bless and expand your ministry. -Walt Hibbard
Dear Todd: I really enjoyed meeting you a short time ago when you visited Johnson City, TN. I am not writing this just for your benefit, but for those who will read it who visit your site. I found out about the realized eschatology back in the early 80s by diligent studying in the Bible and in Church and Secular history of the period around A.D. 70. I sat on it for many years, because everyone I talked to about it thought I was out in left field. (Actually, left field is full of THEM). I wrote a manuscript for a book which I had reviewed by one publisher and tried to get about ten others to look at it. with no result. Things are changing, praise God, and many are finding it, some all by themselves and others that learn from such good web sites as yours. God bless you. Keep it up, our prayers are with you. Jim Hartline
What you're saying is true! It allows the Bible to be whole, to be one with itself. I am thrilled to have been led to this web site, and thankful for an opportunity to study from it.
Glad to find this site, very new to this web stuff, wondering where in Portland Oregon to find other 'partial's to chat with.
WOW, surprised to see Trinidad and Tobago - I know there is a reformed influence there (and more coming soon) but NOT aware that there would be any interested in this issue. I see it as good news, even if negative feelings at first from visitor(s). PS, love the cover picture from Chiltons book. I think the most important book I read in '98 was "paradise Restored". Thanks for being here.
Well I'm embarrassed. Last two entries are from me and I had no idea that there were all those entries...I did not realize that this comment thing preceded the entries! I am happy to find this page, still have much to look over - used to be a member at Dr. Gentrys church, first I had really heard of this position - and does it ever make wonderful sense of the Word! I will recommend this site as well as mark it a "favorite". Looking forward to chatting with others. May God Bless you Richly in your new business and this older one. Sandie McFerran
Greetings! Mike Smith Hilliard, Ohio I am new to Preterist Eschatology.....I am really finding myself in agreement with the premise. I was a die-hard Dispensationalist until I had read your web page and a few others like it.
We wanted to make you aware that in the next week our new web-site www.Therevelation.com will be up. There we plan to introduce a new, unique, dramatic commentary on the book of Revelation called An Evening in Ephesus, with John the son of Zebedee. Hear John address the church in Ephesus after his release from exile on the Isle of Patmos, and explain the events described in the Revelation. A partial preterist view. Book is due to be released March 1, 1999. Discounts available on books ordered before March 1.
This is Bob Emery. I just submitted a listing to your current listings but gave you an incorrect P.O. Box. Can you please change P.O. Box 4446 to P.O. Box 5846? Thanks for the help. Hope to hear from you one of these days!
I met Ward Fenley online almost two years ago, after doing a search on "supralapsarianism". Imagine my surprise to discover that he and others also believed and taught the Consistent Preterist view. I've been dropping by off and on for several months after he suggested this site.
I discovered preterism on my own when I took the time to really look at those "problem verses" that had plagued my Bullingerish dispensationalism for many years. "Some standing here will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His Kingdom" and Paul's statement that "Upon us has the end of the ages come" were the catalysts that moved me toward the undersatnding of the Lord's plan of the Ages. From there, J. Stuart Russell's book, The Parousia, solidified it.
This is a wonderful work you are doing in the Lord's Name and I earnestly participate in its dissemination.
"And they shall teach no more, every man his neighbor and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord': for they shall all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more" JER 31:34
I'm 55 and have been a serious Christian for more than 20 years - but only in the last few years have begun to study and understand the Reformed perspective. This week I came across the term "preterist" and began exploring its meaning. Wow! My walk with the Lord is certainly an exciting adventure! Lynn Miser lhmiser@aol.com
thank you for all the info
I am Jonathan Boulden,from NC,USA. I am a Christian seeking true understanding.This is an interesting site to me.May our Father bless His children with wisdom.
As a former futurist who was disenchanted with the twisting of Scripture by "dispy" teachers, I'm glad I found this website and its corresponding links. Preterism is the closest thing I've found that doesn't compromise Scripture. I am new to this as I have spent many hours reading "dispy" publications and a lot of money purchasing these items. But the only thing I ever learned was Scripture didn't fit with what these guys were saying. My comment on many occasions was, "Where are they getting that interpretation from this scripture verse." I can freely tell you that I'm not fully convinced but you certainly have my attention and I will study these sites thoroughly and often. It also helps that I have a church and Sunday school class that teach preterism.
I thank my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ for leading me to you and my church and I pray he give me a fuller, richer understanding of His Word and of preterism.
Your catalog of quotes by eminent commentators on the Matthew 24:34 passage is overwhelmingly convincing. How able and honest scholars can sidestep the clear and obvious linguistic evidence present in the Greek text simply shows that they are neither so able nor so honest as we might pretend! May your catalog of quotes be transported by the ethernet to the ends of the earth!
--Walt Hibbard, Newark, Delaware, U.S.A.
never has reading the bible made so much sense. keep up the good work and get the word out for all to know.
This is really great! I just wanted you to know that I have never heard of a preterist before. I have come to my beliefs through prayer, study of God's word and through history books alone. The only modern Christian publications I have read deal with issues such as discipleship, but none on preterism or any other aspect of prophesy for that matter. What I have read on your web page so far has me stirred, so I'm getting back to it. I'll be in touch.
Bart
My name is Tony. I have been a Preterist Christian for almost a year now I guess. My experiences as a Christian for 17 years have led me through being a good old fashioned Baptist to a counterfeit tongue talking, Oral Roberts University student Charismatic. I have much experience in the popular Charismatic movement and have seen all the popular teachers in it up close and personal. It is a long story as to how I found out about Preterism and came to believe the position as the undeniable truth. I was ready for it. I was having problems with dispensationalism and going through some discouragement in life. A couple of years ago I worked for a Charismatic TV station in Virginia. After leaving that job and feeling very bad about the state of popular Christianity today, I know that God spoke to my heart and told me to "distance yourself from this movement". I just knew it was God speaking to me. But I had never even heard of the Preterist position. I guess that goes to show how dominant futurism is today. Anyway, I didn't know anything about Preterism but I did cut myself off from my old Charismatic ways. I however, had grown to the point where I desired truth at all costs. I have never really cared for "show business" Christianity anyway, even as a Charismatic. I like real, genuine teaching, truth and facts. To make a long story short, I eventually got to the point where I was still very disturbed about life, even after dumping the Charismatic way. I prayed to God for the truth no matter what and immediately He put me in contact with a Preterist who proceeded to keep me up all night proving the truth of the position scripturally. I was dumbfounded at how obvious it was and yet I remember that only several months before I had an arguement with a man who must have been a Preterist but I did not know it. I remember blasting him because he said Jesus came back in AD 70. Of course, as a dedicated "dispy", I thought he was off his rocker. And now here I was seeing the truth of the position. But see now I was READY.
Anyway, your article, "An Introduction to Preterism", was awesome!!! Fantastic!!!! You know, now I see articles supporting the Preterist position and for the life of me it is impossible for me to understand how somebody could reject them as being false. They make total and complete sense spiritually and intellectually. But I guess what it is is that those people are just blinded. I was blinded. They just can't see. And their eyes cannot be opened until they open their minds and hearts. Believe me, I know. And I am sure you do too.
I am just so thankful to God that He has shown me the truth. Now I can be the representative for Him on earth that I was meant to be as a family man, business man and minister without worrying that I shouldn't even bother because we may only have less than 10 years left to go on this earth.
God bless you brother,
Tony
Eight years ago while stationed with the military in Germany a friend of mine named Rico and I were lamenting the lack of biblical support for the futurist view of biblical prophecy. We spent hours together and even more on the phone asking, "well what about this passage and this scripture...it just does not fit". We shared different books and we both concluded that the traditional Dispensationalist views were not strong enough to claim as our own. Rico and I went our separate ways, I am sure he continued his search for biblical truth as have I. I for one have come to totally reject the futurist dispensational position. I believe I came to a understanding of realized eschatology about five years ago. I found your web page about six months ago and I have recommended it to several friends. I am a part of a morning (mens) bible study and preterism has been a dominant topic of discussion among some very biblically literate men, most have concluded that preterism is a biblical view and others continue to study diligently into the matter. Your resources are indispensable and I thank you for the work you are doing.
Sincerely, Jeff in Enid, OK
Hello : ) My name is Dave Rogers, I submitted my name to be added to your Preterist list. I am requesting that my street address and telephone number NOT be published on this website. If anyone would like to contact me concerning preterist issues, please do so at my e-mail address "BoomerX65@aol.com. Thank you for your understadning in this matter
Sincerely, Dave Rogers
I was first made aware of the preterist viewpoint by Gary DeMar and R.C. Sproul. After getting over the shock of accepting this partial preterist position I am now exploring what the full preterist position entails. So far I've found your site to be a wealth of information. It looks like I've got a lot of reading ahead of me.
Michael Tanner
Wow! What a Site! Lots of resources! It is nice to see a site devoted to preterist theology that seems to be so complete. Are you planning on adding anything else?
One question... I was wondering if you could send me a list of the books (other than Josephus) which supply proofs. I saw Tacitus mention. Are the any others? Authors and titles would greatly appreciated.
Gerald
My father ,through years of study and the ministry of Ralph Mahoney of World MAP rejected Scofieldism in favor of a Post-Mill outlook. I was fortunate enough to follow. This began for us around 1970 . The change was powerful for a man graduated as Class President of Glad Tidings 1948. What is called 'Preterist' is new to me still and I keep open to change but with a wary eye. Mauro probably better fits my outlook than some more recent authors, but at least with post-mill and or preterist we have the time to learn LOL. Sight looks great and works well . Thanx Hitch
Great job!! Your articles are wonderful, and have played a role in opening my eyes to the Truth of Scripture! One can clearly see the work of GOD being done! He is so Awesome, and we are so unworthy of His mercy and grace! May GOD bless this ministry, and may I see you all at this years Ligonier Conference, and of course, at the Full Preterist Conference! In Christ, Summer Hoefert
Edwin Sineath, in Winston-Salem, NC Attender at: Cross Community Fellowship, an Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church
WOW keep up the great work - get the word out so more of us can enjoy it. Just simply great, god bless you and all the others that have the courage to stand up tell it like it is. Harry
Just checking out the site. Lots of good thought-provoking information. Thanks
I have been reading most of your material on your website, and it has changed my entire perspective on the Bible. I thank you for showing me the Truth on the full-preterist position. This is the best Web Site I have seen, and I have seen hundreds of them over the past few years!
Richard Anthony
Are we able to print articles?
Do you mean to tell me that there are actually other preterists out there? What a pleasant surprise. I was looking for information for my sermon on Luke 21 and I guess I found it. Thanks for your work. Jim Wood Underwood, North Dakota
I'm from an island that will be no more in the near future, but meanwhile its been a blessing from our Father to the glory of Jesus. May you live as He lives.
Hello all...I am a reformed full preterist pastor in the U.S. Would like to converse with any who are of the same persuasion. It's lonely out there "on the ledge!"
Thank you for presenting this view of eschatology. I have been a futurist all my Christian life, but this preterism thing keeps nagging at me. What is it all about?
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I accidently discovered your website when I did a search under "prophecy". After reading several articles, I became very upset with your site because its content was dismantling the viewpoints I had been taught concerning the second coming and the resurrection. Before I ran across the Preterist Archive, I had been praying to God that I might be quided to the truths of scripture, and then, I felt the urge to begin studing fulfilled prophecy. I now have accepted the partial-preterist position fully, and am beginning to embrace the full preterist viewpoint. I want to personally thank you for the time and effort you have put forward in making this material available on the internet; and may God continue to bless you for it.
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First, a little background for this question. I've been studying the "end-times" thing for a little more than 3 years. I was first introduced to preterism through my best friend. We had an ongoing debate until finally he allowed me to borrow Gary DeMar's book "Last Days Madness." I read through it with the intent of showing my friend why he was wrong about his belief. As a futhered my reading I was amazed at how much it made sense to me. The verses were quoted in context, and the exposition of those verses was handeled very well. Needless to say I was convinced of the truth or preterism. I read Sproul's book and had a good bit more of my questions answered. Then I found this site, full of everything I ever wanted to know about preterist eschatology. I read Mr. Dennis' article New Testament Fulfilled Eschatology and everything just clicked in my head. It made perfect sense and for the first time since my best friend challenged my views, I felt comfortable from a purely Scriptural and intellectual point.
Jared
I AM RANDY ROSE OF HARRISON, ARKANSAS. I AM A FULL OR COMPLETE PRETERIST. I AM EXCITED ABOUT SEEING MORE AND MORE PEOPLE COME TO THE TRUTH OF REALIZED ESCHATOLOGY. IN CHRIST'S LOVE RANDY ROSE
Greetings my friend in Christ: I enjoyed my stay here and have bookedmarked it for future returns...this site is so informative I was surprised on the lay outs you had...surely your time spent will be rewarded greatly. May GOD Bless you!!!! Please visit wor when you get time and be sure to sign the guessbook so I know you were there.
I find your web site very informative and thoroughly supported. I've never heard of Preterism before, but I never believed in the "Rapture" theory either. I've always had a problem with those that maintain and believe that the Jews are the chosen people, as if the rest of humanity is of a lesser value to god.
As a Christian of Middle Eastern origin I understand first hand the effect of a people claiming that they are the chosen ones. What scares me is that they truly believe that their actions of sin and injustice towards their follow human beings (non-chosen) is justified and exempt by grace of god. And what's even scarier is that many neo-conservative Christians believe it and encourage violence to hasten the day of the "Rapture".
I guess I'm a Preterist too.
Todd- This is a different angle that what you and other Preterists have been taking, but I think it's worth some consideration. I've been reading Francis Shaeffer and the work he did regarding humanism. I am thoroughly convinced that there is a link between the efforts of humanism and the rise of "Rapture" theology. I cannot prove it at this point, but I do believe that Dr. Shaeffer could have been a Preterist based on his lack of comment regarding "end times." What's interesting is that he had a deep concern for the environment as well as human life-and stated that we could destroy our society (both in the US and Europe) if we didn't change our ways. Furthermore, he addressed the fact that history repeats itself and that we were doomed to fall under the same curses that struck Greece, Rome, Spain, England, etc. That doesn't sound like someone looking for Christ in the clouds, but it's still debatable. I'm going to check some things out and see if there are any clear ties. My guess is that there are very clear ties, and, if something can be proven, then the case for Preterism becomes even stronger. If people realized that their theology was a branch of humanism, they would take a more defined look at what they were supporting. It's looking pretty strong at this point. Opie
Reference: Date: 24 Feb 1999 Time: 16:05:09
I've been studying Matthew for 3 years now, very systematically (I'm already in ch. 10!). The truth is that I can't get past 10.23 with anything less than full preterism, if words have any meaning at all. Cf. with 16:27,28 and the rest of the Gospel, particularly from chapter 23 onwards. And the rest of the NT testimony seems to be in total harmony with Matthew. It is sad that the liberal theologians seem to have (eschatologically speaking) a keener eye, as they state flatly that Jesus and His apostles were mistaken, because they were convinced that the Second Coming was a matter of the 1st century. Who can blame them? As the Church (as a whole) can not (will not) face the issue!
Thanks for a great site!
what is preterist view of salvation , i believe every thing was fulfilled but acts2:38 is the everlasting gospel message.you have to get baptized in the name of jesus and you have to recieve the Spirit as in Acts2:1-4
I'd just like to share an insight I've come across which I hope will bless other readers. In 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10, Paul gives a description of the parousia of Christ and the judgement. We've all heard the most commonly accepted understanding of these verses, with Jesus appearing up in the sky, with winged angels, and him torching the entire Earth and destroying all the non-believers in hell, etc. I do not claim to fully understand all the imagery Paul uses in this passage, but this passage (along with most passages on this subject) poses several problems for futurists: 1. Verse 7 says the believers would receive rest when Jesus comes to carry out this judgement. Many today teach that no Christians will be on the Earth when Christ returns to carry out judgement. We supposedly will have left 7 years earlier. Verse 10 again places the saints on the earth at the time of this coming. I'm always amused at the elaborate last-days timelines that futurists come up with, with multiple comings of Christ, to remove Christians from the Earth, then to judge the unbelievers. The Bible does not speak of multiple comings (plural) of Christ, but of THE COMING of Jesus Christ. 2. In verses 9 and 10, Paul writes that the "everlasting destruction" of "them that know not God and obey not the gospel" begins "when He shall come to be glorified in His saints". The futurist, based only on Revelation 20, says the final judgement of the wicked is either 1000 or 1007 years after the coming of Christ, depending on whether he/she is pre- or post-tribulational, and which coming of Christ you are referring to. This is nonsense. Paul and John did not contradict one another. There is merely a truth here that we're not seeing. 3. Most importantly, Paul was writing all this specifically TO the believers in Thessalonica (verse 6, 7), and ABOUT "those that trouble (the Thessalonians)" (verse 6). In other words, this passage cannot be taken to apply to Christians in our era, because the way Paul words it, it can only be written TO the 1st century believers, and ABOUT their 1st century persecutors! Paul did not write as though he expected there to be a second generation of Christians before the coming of Christ and the judgement of those who rejected the gospel! Paul specifically identifies those who would be punished in this judgement as those who were persecuting the Thessalonians in the 1st century (verse 6). Who were these people? In 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16, Paul says the Thessalonians had suffered persecution from their own countrymen, and that the churches in Judea had suffered persecution by the 1st century Jews. Acts 17 also gives an account of how the 1st century Jews persecuted Paul in Thessalonica. In 1 Thessalonians 2:16, Paul says that wrath had come upon these Jews to the uttermost (telos). This means God's wrath had come upon them in it's entirety! All of it! So how much wrath is left for some yet-future final judgement? This judgement had to have occurred in the 1st century, to the people Paul identified as "those who obey not the gospel". God did this because the old covenant that they clung to contained provisions for judgment if they did not consistently obey every commandment given as part of that covenant. He made good on His Word, in destroying Jerusalem and bringing the ministration of death to a final end in 70 AD. I praise God that we are under a new and better covenant, with no provision for wrath, only mercy and God's infinite grace! Rob
I pose a question, not a comment and I welcome any responses. Under preterist theology, if Christ came back in 70 AD why are we still here living in this corrupted world? I freely admit that my understanding of preterism is hardly extensive, as we have only begun to truly study it in our home, but I have been unable to find an answer. As it stands now, we are partial-preterist. If someone would be kind enough to explain this point to me - supported w/ scripture, I would be very grateful. Thank you.
Message for Opie (re your Feb 25 message):
Sorry to disappoint you, but Schaeffer was a futurist. He was a post-trib pre-mill, if my memory is correct.
For documentation, take a look at his _Basic Bible Studies_. It's in volume 2 of his Collected Works.
It's a shame that not more people take the time to study interpretations of scripture that are not thier own. I have only studied the preterists veiw for about 6 months and I am only 17, but I definatelty find truth in it. I am not sure that I am a Full Preterist due to passages such as I Thess. 4:17ff, but I am definatley a partial preterist. I wish people would just once close thier ears to tradition and listen to the evidence we have supporting the preterist position. I am looking for a Preterists church in my area, but I havent found one yet. I live in western pennsylvania, and I would gretly appriciate any information regarding a church, or why full preterism is more biblically consistent than partial. Oh, and one more question...what is the signifigance of Isreal becoming a nation again in 1948? Also let me know where I can find anything regarding Henry Cowels(i already have his commentary on ezekiel and daniel)? Thanks for the enormous ammount of info your site has provided me.
You are fools and you encourage others to become fools.
Who is Israel? Where is Israel today? Who has the right to teach the truth of the BIBLE?
http://www.british-israel.net/
The bible has duality type and anti-type in prophecy Prophecy has a former and a latter fulfillment
Antiochus Epiphines / Adolf Hitler
Daniel 7th & 11th chapters read with Rev 2-3
You are fools you WILL be caught in the time that is more terrible than any other time before
Matt 24:21 For THEN shall be great tribulation,such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.(KJV)
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H Y D R O G Y N B O M B
B A C T E R I A L W A R F A R E
S A D D A M H U S S S I E N
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B I L L C L I N T O N
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L E S B I A N S (Sodom and Gommorah)
How on this earth can you teach people that this has already happened YOU "Preterists" DENY GOD and lead people away from the truth
WAKE_UP!
To Ed Stevens: Just read Further Reply To Vander Werff, a great job well done sir. I try to read something everyday from the Preterist Archives , it so inspiring. The people in your church should say a pray everyday for being so lucky as to have you as their Pastor. Harry
It is obvious, and tragic, that futurist-dispensationalism prevents people from fully entering and experiencing the "abundant life" that Jesus promised. At age 39, I have left the evangelical community and its portrayal of Christ. I have once again become a seeker of the truth.
This was so amazing to hear of the Preterists. Our Pastor has ministred this same revelation to the Church for several years. It is so clear after the Word is revealed to anyone. The Pastor has had many think that he was so wrong, but there has been several who saw the truth. I would love to hear from anyone who loves the Lord Jesus and is a Preterist.
In response to the post dated 10 June 1999 at 15:37.
I agree there may be some signifigance of Israel becoming a nation again in 1948. I have been studying to find out the meanings of statements like "Israel will be scattered among the nations until the time of the Gentiles are fulfilled". If the times of the Gentiles started in 70 a.d. and so did the spiritual millennium (in my opinion) then the millennium and the times of the Gentiles could have ended in 1948 and the short time where Satan must be released could have began.
The word for millennium in Rev. is a different word than is normally used for "1000" in the Bible. It means a number of indefinite affinity. So if Christ returned in 70 a.d. and the millenium began, and we are now in the short time after the millennium, then the only thing left to happen is armageddon! When the nations conspire to make war on Israel (which could be spiritual Israel I guess) and fire from God comes down and devours them.
Rick
I would like to bring to the attention of non-preterist millennialists (i.e. all who believe the "end" of the millennium is yet to occur) the simple, yet, compelling correlation between Deut. 32:22 and Rev. 20:14. In Deuteronomy 32:20-24 it is clear at the time of "their end" (Israels "end") would be one of terror, horror, famine and destruction. The fact that the "first century" time frame is that which is in view here can clearly be seen by comparing v. 21 with 1 Cor. 10:22. Hence, the "end" of Israel as a covenanted nation (earthly) in A.D. 70 is clearly that which is in view. However, notice that the Lord said, "a fire is kinded in My anger, and burns to the lowest part of sheol, and consumes the earth with its yield" (Deut. 23:22). The "burning of sheol" here in Deuteronomy, and connected with the events of A.D. 70, is only said to occur elsewhere (to my knowledge) in Rev. 20:14, "And death and Hades were thrown into the Lake of fire". It is universally agreed that the hebrew "Sheol" and greek "Hades" are one and the same. However the fulfillment of this passage in Deuteronomy, as it appears in Revelation, occurs in connection with the great white throne judment (i.e. post resurrecion, post millennium!" When Hades/Sheol was "thrown into the lake of fire", then it could truly be said that "fire burns to the lowest parts of sheol". The more one studies the contextual setting of Deut. 32, the more inescapable it becomes to conclude that the end of the millennium occurred in connection with the destruction of Jerusalem, the "end" of Israel, in A.D. 70.
Sincerely, Tracy VanWyngaarden.
I would like to bring to the attention of non-preterist millennialists (i.e. all who believe the "end" of the millennium is yet to occur) the simple, yet, compelling correlation between Deut. 32:22 and Rev. 20:14. In Deuteronomy 32:20-24 it is clear at the time of "their end" (Israels "end") would be one of terror, horror, famine and destruction. The fact that the "first century" time frame is that which is in view here can clearly be seen by comparing v. 21 with 1 Cor. 10:22. Hence, the "end" of Israel as a covenanted nation (earthly) in A.D. 70 is clearly that which is in view. However, notice that the Lord said, "a fire is kinded in My anger, and burns to the lowest part of sheol, and consumes the earth with its yield" (Deut. 23:22). The "burning of sheol" here in Deuteronomy, and connected with the events of A.D. 70, is only said to occur elsewhere (to my knowledge) in Rev. 20:14, "And death and Hades were thrown into the Lake of fire". It is universally agreed that the hebrew "Sheol" and greek "Hades" are one and the same. However the fulfillment of this passage in Deuteronomy, as it appears in Revelation, occurs in connection with the great white throne judment (i.e. post resurrecion, post millennium!" When Hades/Sheol was "thrown into the lake of fire", then it could truly be said that "fire burns to the lowest parts of sheol". The more one studies the contextual setting of Deut. 32, the more inescapable it becomes to conclude that the end of the millennium occurred in connection with the destruction of Jerusalem, the "end" of Israel, in A.D. 70.
Sincerely, Tracy VanWyngaarden.
To Tracy Wyngaarden: You must not be one who believes that Nero (and Rome) was the beast. If the beast (whether Nero or not) didn't show up until 66 a.d. or later then how did the saint who DID NOT receive the mark of the beast come to life and reign with Christ 1000 years. If they came to life and reigned with Christ from 30 a.d. to 70 a.d. then how did they refuse the mark of the beast way back before 30 a.d. when the beast didn't even come around until 70 a.d.? Rev. 20:4-6 clearly tells us that those who reigned with Christ during the millennium were those who DID NOT worship the beast or receive his mark. If you say the millennium was from 30 a.d. until 70 a.d. then they were already reigning with Christ when the beast showed up. This is one of the main things that have kept me from becoming a full preterist. I am a partial preterist, and I believe we are probably in the short period after the millennium when Satan was released (as of 1948). I agree that the word for 1000 in these verses doesn't have to mean exactly 1000 (a number of indefinite affinity), but I believe it most certainly means more than 40 years (I'm aware of all the so-called typology of the 40 year reign of David, Moses, etc.). The word probably just means a long time, which could easily be more than 1000 years. Rick
Rick, your arguement is good and convincing. However in my opinion it is supported only by the assumption that (based on Rev. 20:1-10) the beast and his mark are a "premillennial" phenomenon. Nothing in this passage by itself explicitly states that these saints "came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years" only AFTER they "had not worshiped the beast nor received his mark." Consequently, in my view the emergence of the beast (probably Nero/Rome) occurred after these saints "came to life", after the thousand years were completed. It is admitted that this is also an assmption in that nowhere does john explicitly state (in this passage) that they did not worship nor receive the mark of the beast only AFTER they came to life for the millennium. I determine this from other passages which I believe indicate that Satan was released from the abyss in connection with the emergence of the beast from the abyss (Rev. 9:1-11; 10:7; 13:1). In my view, all of what "must soon take place" occurred during the "short time" of Satans release from the abyss which is also the "great tribulation" which "days" Jesus said would be "cut short" (Matt. 24:22).
Consider also that "those who had not worshiped the beast or his image" during the tribulation were seen "coming out of the great tribulation" into the new Jerusalem (Rev. 7:14-17) where it is also said "they shall reign forever and ever" (Rev.22:5). The "elder" who explained this to John (7:14) did not leave any room for an intervening thousand year reign between their coming out of the great tribuation (A.D. 70) and their reigning "forever and ever" (A.D. 70 forward).
From Tracy Van Wyngaarden
Great site. Please update my Preterist ministries site email.
I would really like to know what you think of this "Hebrew and Greek" satan? Somehow, I have come to an understanding that this "devil" is nothing more than the mind and nature of mankind before his Spiritual birth. I have done studies on the Hebrew mind set of this and they seem to agree with me in some areas that satan [accuser, adversary, liar from the beginning etc....all began in the garden with mankinds need to understand "good and evil." By God alone.] That nothing is created with power over or equal to God, thus, when Jesus crushes satan swiftly under our feet....our new natures begin...the old Adam in dead.
Any thoughts?
S
I Have questions as I am considering and prayerfully looking at the preterist teaching. Could someone answer questions concerning the ressurection, is there a judgement? Please help me out. Thank You and God Bless.
I am a full preterist, minister, author and publisher and am available online and am outspoken on the subject of preterism. Why not include me with Arthur, Joe, Ed and the remainder? Thanks. Reply if necessary.
I just want to mention that I am thankful for such a great site full of resources that you cannot find at your local Christian book store.
Dear Brother in Christ,
I have just found your websight and thank you for it. I too have written on this subject. In fact, a work is scheduled to be printed soon by Mt. Zion Ministries 2603 W. Wright St. Pensacola, Fl 32505. If they knew that an interest existed in this area for such a work it would encourage them. (Contact person: Bro. L.R. Shelton and/or Steve Frakes) The title of the work is "The Great Tribulation: A Historical Reality" subtitle "A Biblical Alternative For Those Who Have Been Taught To Fear The Future" by Stanford E. Murrell
Keep up the good work!
Greetings from Sweden Todd!
I am studying your page with big interest. think that the full preterist view has a strong case. The arguments are very convincing, but I have to study more before I am totally convinced.
The best thing about your page is that opponent articles also are allowed and shown. That is really biblical and worthy of imitation. My method is to study at least three biblical views, to get the 3D depth (Three dimensions) in interpretation.
John
Thank you for the enlightening information on fulfilled prophecy.
Doug Bice
I've been reading some of John Bray's literature and for once a discussion of the 'end (of) times' prophecy makes sence. However I'm still not clear on if there is ever going to be an end of Evil (Devil) and a new World Order, or is there only an end to Evil when we die and go to Heaven?
I just went online and of course the first site I had to visit was this one. I have been a full-preterist for almost four years now. It is nice to read about and be able to keep company with other bible believers. I live in Elmont, New York. My name is Greg
Thanks and may God continuing blessing!!!
Absolutely, w/out a doubt, no question, with great joy, fantastic site. Go boy go! Keep it up. Praise God for your site and for the resources and scholarship integrity. WOW! Are we lacking that today. I couldn't say enough. I am also glad to see that at least there is dialogue to dispute if one can. More stuff on hermeneutics and presuppositions of interpretation, etc., please. Good stuff! David C. from Micronesia
I was just made aware of your sight. Would certainly be blessed if you were to send specific information to me so as to get a better understanding of where your coming from. May our Lord Jesus bless your work to His Glory!
Dear Todd,
Thanks for the very informative e-mail (Victory Review 2-99). I am also concerned about hostile attitudes between Christian groups that differ in doctrine. The Partial Preterists will be the active group in hostility if they are not careful. The reason for this is that Partial Preterist position is unstable. The Full Preterist can rest in what Matt. 24 says. To the Partial Preterist, Matt. 24 didn't say enough and is just not that clear.
I am concerned for my friends who are still Futurist. This fight could attract attention that would bring a negative effect upon truth. I hope not . The people who have no axe to grind can use this opportunity to fine tune their position.
Sincerely your devoted friend,
Jerry Wayne Bernard
I have been calling myself a partial preterist up until this point. But I keep seeing inconsistencies in this theology. I have not heard much about the denouncement to anathema. If we are not to bother discussing with the preterist how will I ever get these questions answered? Are there any debates or conferences between partial and full preterists? Did Sproul denounce full preterism as heresy? His book "The Last Days According to Jesus" is the one that has been pushing me toward full preterism. If they're not willing to discuss the questions and the full preterist will, I will only get one answer and if the preterist can answer and the partial refuses, who am I to go with? The answer is obvious. They need to defend their position if they're going to hold it.
Rick Capezza
your publications that i have read have been a tremendous blessing; i first heard of these viewpoints via gary demar's "last days madness"; what an eye-opener; and i continue to be amazed at the simplicity at the fullfillment of these scriptures; god bless as you continue to open the eyes of many ; romans 5:1
In the midst of all the hoopla, hype, misinformation, sensationalism, etc., it's good to have a site that more logically approaches the subject of eschatology. I go to an A/G church and am teaching a course in eschatology. I warned the class that I would first look at the data (ie scripture) then move to views. Last night one commented that I had made a strong case for preterism. It was surprising.
Tom Knott, Baltimore, MD
Todd, just wanted to say hello and let you know Im still alive. Cousin Vinnie NY
I have heard of but am not completely familiar with the Preterist Eschatological Interp. Thank you for making this site available for my viewing. I have vaguely noticed a lot of flaws in typical Dispens. Eschatology but can't really nail down all of them at this time. All my Eschatology has been Dispens. Larry Truelove evoleurt@ont.com
Hello, nice people. I am afraid that I am the only current "Full-Futurist" (technically, I don't know if that is a correct statement) to sign your guest book. I hope my spelling is OK, I kind of feel on the spot here. I don't know quite what you call it (I think plain old "Biblical" will do - thank the Lord!), but I am a Psalm singing, A-millennial, passing-out-tracts, uncommon grace believing true Jew from NJ, who is affiliated with the OPC. I am planning to pick up bits and pieces here and there from your vast site, to learn more about your views. I am quite a minority in my denomination, as you can probably guess. If you have a convenient time, and would like to e-mail me some articles on Futerism, and why it's no good, I would sure appreciate it. Also, if you care to share your views on worship (the RPW), it would be a blessing. Anyone? Thanks, --WDS,
Do you have any infomation on the destruction of all mankind? Scott
Todd,
I thank God for the blessing of your Web site as a great resource to those interested in the Biblical study of eschatology. My entire life had been spent in pursuit of dispensational premillennialism until six months ago when I read a book entitled Four Views on the Book of Revelation. As you undoubtedly know, Kenneth Gentry presented the preterist argument. That was the first time in my life that I'd ever even heard of approaching eschatology from a past perspective. Needless to say, I've been
enthralled ever since, reading everything I can get my hands on.
I'm writing to ask you what steps you would take to become more informed on preterism. I've read J.S Russell's Parousia, Sproul's new book, a couple of titles by Gentry, DeMar's Last Days Madness, and Mathison's Postmillennialism. The more I read of full preterism, though, the more interested I become. There seem to be quite a few books out there, but I'm having trouble finding them. Any point in the right direction would be most appreciated.
God Bless,
Russ McTyre
I AM DEFINITELY A REFORMED PRETERIST CHRISTIAN AND I APPRECIATE YOUR WEBSITE. I PRAY GOD'S BLESSING UPON IT. BE ENCOURAGED: ALTHOUGH WE ARE NOT A MAJORITY GOD HAS LEFT A GOOD REMNANT AND THERE MUST BE DIVISIONS AMONG PROFESSING BELIEVERS TO SHOW WHO IS APPROVED
Magnificent web-site. Weeks of study just on the materials provided. Thank you. Carlos Salabarria
the traditional christian church celebrates (and rightly so) two major holidays a year, that being christimas and easter. however, i submit for consideration that there is one other holiday that is the culmination of the first two, and that is the second coming of christ. this should be the greatest christian celebration in this earthly realm.
jim nicolosi knoxville,
Thanks for all the hard work.I have just recently changed from amil to post thanks to Kenith Gentry and R.C.Sproul.
SCRIPTURE BECOMING CLEAR SINCE FREE OF CHAINS OF FUTURISM . NEED MORE GUIDANCE . THANKS !
Freedom is not the right to live as we please, but the right to find how we ought to live in order to fulfill our potential. Your genuine action will explain itself and will explain your other genuine actions. Your conformity explains nothing. Act singly, and what you have already done single will justify you now."
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Although i am not a full preterist, i agree that we are in definite need for a council over the issue. I am unwilling to fling mud on the full preterists for their denial of the resurrection. We need a meeting of the minds on this issue, or at least some serious refutation by those opposed to the FP thinking. Please keep us informed if there is to be any conferences at all that will include debate over this crucial aspect of Biblical truth. Don McLawhorn, Jr. age 19 Tampa, Fl.
What amazes me is the fact that I became interested in the Preterist view, thinking I was alone and getting into something a little off base! What a privilege when I come across articles like yours: An Introduction to Preterism, and realize that God is providing people with the gift of scholarship for us who are so hungry for the truth. How can the Hal Lindsey's even get up in the morning and look in the mirror? Wonderful article! God bless!
Ron Wilson
Having swung on the branch of Dispensationalism all my life I'm feeling a little uncertain about grabbing hold of this one, (hence letting go of the original?) as I don't know where it's heading. However, as branch #1 has taken such an awful shaking, I'm forced to re-examine my ideas in the light of the Word of God. That's OK as that is the way I was brought up--it just never occurred to me before. It does "click" much better now. I am finding things own my own that I can only wonder about--had they been the proverbial snake, would they have bitten me? Or am I just gettting away from a snake: that which twists God's word?
In Sincere Search of Truth on this Matter
Bob Andrews
Todd Dennis, How can I get the text of "Gentry's Analaysis" of Preterism?
You know from time to time I come to this site for entertainment, it's funny how people squirm under the Light of Reality. It's hard to deny the simple plain language of scripture regarding it's past fulfillment, in fact it's as hard to deny as it would be for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, that is for any of us who have a measure of self-honesty. Anyone who reads scripture should start over and throw out all they have learned and read it as objectively as possible and then they will plainly see what the words say. I do suggest a good Biblical dictionary because in scripture our first duty is to see what the words meant at the time of their utterance. You can't look at scripture as if it were written in 1999. Scripture although it benefits all and it's main purpose is to bring one into a relationship with Truth was written to a specific group of individuals at a specific time and place for specific purpose. It was written to them, not us although it is written for everyone in it's universal purpose. Remember this, all fear, anger, anxiety denial and any other negative virtue is caused by a misunderstanding. Think of the first time someone started talking to you about scripture before you were born again. If you were like most you probably had a few choice words for that person becuase the things they said were making you uncomfortable. The reason you were is because you did not have a proper understanding of Truth. Anyone who is really seeking Truth should have no agenda and should not be afraid to investigate any information, scripture or otherwise to see if it is True or not. I believe the first mistake we as Christians make is we automatically assume everything in the Bible is absolutely True on all levels, Historically, Spiritually etc,before investigating all it's contents. 1 example of this, tell me who is there that can prove the story of Adam & Eve really happened? I don't debate the theme of the story is absolutely True and that is that somewhere along the line something went wrong with man. But if we are really self honest we have to admit we don't know. Im sure there will be negative reactions to my comments. Truth has a way of making folks uncomfortable. Also the other myth we Christians believe is that we Truely know who Jesus is. No one in this day and age has ever met Jesus in the pyshical person, Im not talking aberitions here, Im talking his physical being, none of us lived in 30ad. How can you know someone by what is written about them? You can read books about the Sun all day but if your a cave dweller you will only have head knowledge but no experiental knowing because you never stepped out into the Sun's Rays. Once you do though now you know and because you know it is impossible for thoughts or doubt to exist. Do you ever doubt your beliefs, if you do it simply means you don't know what you think you know because if you did no thought or doubt would enter your mind and Satan or any other force in the Universe could not convince you otherwise.The Truth is, there are to many who lack character to admit these things including the so called leaders. If you have to think about anything regardless of the subject matter you don't know it. I will say a few finally words. It is never wrong to accept a piece of Fruit, it is only wrong to accept it without determining if the fruit is real or not. I highly suspect that there is another History other than the one written and if you don't agree you are entitled to your opinion. But just look for instance of the Presidential scandal how men twisted Truth probaly on both sides. One would be naive to think that the religious and political motives of the people living at the time of Jesus would be any different. With that being said, Peace be with you all. VT
thank you for all your work
in his name Eric Stearns
Thank you for providing such an informative and enlightening web site! As a long haul truck driver, I like to tune into Christian radio stations across the country, and you cannot imagine the amount (well, perhaps you can) of Dispensational escatology that is put forth by many popular radio teachers. Seeing that these stations are usually set in large metro areas, with very large amounts of listeners, the battle to educate others on the preterist interpretation is going to be an tough one, but I am certaian that God's truth will prevail. Keep up the good work!
I feel like a child in a candy store. I am taking and reading day and night. I have read the Bible for half a century. I always felt bad that my teachers could not understand why I could not accept the convoluted dogma which I was given to believe. Let him that readeth understand. I had almost given up hope that I would find anyone who believed that the Bible was safe in the hands of a believer who did not first get his doctrine from the books with the charts. I have fought the error of "putting the charts before the course" for many years. Thank all of you who are helping to keep this free to the world. Thank you Todd.
Affectionately yours,
Robert Blankenbaker
Darrell Conley, Preacher for the Northern Oaks Church of Christ in San Antonio, TX. I am a long-time believer in the preterist interpretation of Revelation, but have only now found this internet location. I am anxious to read your comments and look forward to the future.
I just found you page, and I was very well-pleased. It's good to know that there are other preterists out there.
Kevin Beck Mansfield, Ohio
Thank you for the plethora of Information you have here. It has realaly b een a valuable source in my quest to learn the truth, and "unlearn" the traditions of men which I once even taught in my chruch. May God forgive me. And may He bless your efforts continually. To the brethren who read this, especially to the doubters, open your heart and mind to the Scriptures. Do so in humility, like a suckling child to milk and do not fear being reproved for erroneous traditions. You will praise God for it as he blesses you.
We have a new Eschatology Discussion Board online at http://www.holyscriptures.com/eschatology/eschatology.html
Please stop by and visit!
You have a well designed and very informative site. I have passed it on to many friends and am getting ready to forward to mailing lists I belong too!
In Him,
Larry
Appreciate your posting P. Mauro's works--especially his "Seventy Weeks And The Great Trib." Keep up the good website!
George
Just wanted to send along a quick note of update:
We are in San Diego, preparing for our departure tomorrow morning. We should be arriving in Alaska on the 12th.
All is well, and God has been greatly blessing us. It seems as though we are on an 11 day journey into the promised land! :)
Have a great week!
Todd Dennis, Curator
Being a "partial" preterist, I am enjoying all of the articles including those of "full" preterism. Such a freedom from the dispensational premill that I was introduced to after my conversion. Thanks for making these articles available.
Roger Roberts Keizer, Oregon
Great Web Site -- very compelling presentation. L. MIchael Hall, Ph.D.
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(Note new address) Thanks for posting Apocalypse Then--Not Now
Excellent source material! A pre-mil. Southern Baptist for many years, I finally studied my way to preterism and have taught, lectured and written on the subject for many years. Hugh M. Olson
Enjoy your site and messages. I consider myself a partial preterist, for I do struggle with some of the ideas.
Keep up the good work! Christ and His kingdom will prevail. I am having a conference on the "Apocalypse Soon" and would like to know what books you have to order. Conference date; July 17th 1999.
Dr. Ricky D. Parker New Wine Ministries 941 N. Union St. Shawnee, Ok. 74801
Titus in A.D. 70 destroyed the third Temple in Jerusalem. 1st. Built by Soloman - 2nd. build after the Exile and the 3rd was, in Jesus day, being built and called Herod's Temple.
It's a shame that not more people take the time to study interpretations of scripture that are not thier own. I have only studied the preterists veiw for about 6 months and I am only 17, but I definatelty find truth in it. I am not sure that I am a Full Preterist due to passages such as I Thess. 4:17ff, but I am definatley a partial preterist. I wish people would just once close thier ears to tradition and listen to the evidence we have supporting the preterist position. I am looking for a Preterists church in my area, but I havent found one yet. I live in western pennsylvania, and I would gretly appriciate any information regarding a church, or why full preterism is more biblically consistent than partial. Oh, and one more question...what is the signifigance of Isreal becoming a nation again in 1948? Also let me know where I can find anything regarding Henry Cowels(i already have his commentary on ezekiel and daniel)? Thanks for the enormous ammount of info your site has provided me.
It's so exciting to see this in print on the net. I really need a refresher in some of the things we talked about at Antioch Baptist. K. Walter
I've Read several articles. Very interisting. I am an elder in The PCA. Hadn't heard of preterism until I heard R.C. Sproll talk about it on his radio show. The more I read and study the more it makes sence.
Elder Chuck Cox San Bernardino CA.
I am a fellow follower of the Christian Israel Identity belief and I would like to say that what you are tell people is almost totaly wrong about what we teach. for one thin, the word ethnos in greek does not mean just a nation but also in GREEK would mean "ethnic" ask any greek that you know who can speak it. I have and he told me it does not just mean nation but an ethnic group or RACE. Please learn what you will teach before you end up lying. If their are any people who would like to know more about Christian Israel Identity TRUTHS please e-mail me or look up Christian Identity or Israel Identity on your search engine.
Thank you for the plethora of information in "consistent preterism" and associate concepts. It has been quite an "eye-opener" spiritually. I am trying to read as much material as I can on this important subject and also make myself aware of its implications for our current life journey.
Yours truly,
Stan Suchocki
Dear preterist achive: Hello from Nova Scotia Canada. I am thoroughly enjoying your WEB site. It seems to be the only one I can find with an ounce of conviction and scholarship. I wish the nay sayers of REAL PRETERISM (partial P's) would respond with the same,and get a serious debate going! I was very sckeptical myself for a time but SPROUL's adage always gets me ,"BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TRUTH". I'm sure it is getting him too.
I have one small corection for your exelent page. Under -SPECIAL HIGHLIGHTS:- -Christian history and it's Preterist Presuppositions-, Full Texts of historical support, "Excerpts from Athanasius on the Incarnation of the Word, the Festal Letters"
the first entry reads ( letter 6, part 3) should be (letter 4, part 3)
I did say small didn't I !!!
thanks again for your christian service, I look forward to more "KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH".
I have visited this site on several occassions and found it to be very useful. I enjoy seeing that others also believe that some prophecies in the Bible are very plainly seen to be fulfilled, but as the Bible says in II Corinthians 4:3-5, "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake." We should pray for those who cannot see the things of God because they are blinded by Satan.
God be with you all, Howard Sides
Todd, keep up the good work. By far your website is the most realistic viewpoint of Christianity in the world that I have ever come across. Having said this, I just want to say I no longer waste time on studying or debating different Christian viewpoints. God has finally freed me from that enslavement and shown me the real true purpose of reading scripture. To learn how to Love God, Love my neighbor and Love myself and to simply trust him while doing so. Now I read scripture for one purpose, to absorb all the Love out of it I can. Love, Godly love is the only thing that is whole and undivided. It is no wonder anyone comes to the knowledge of God these days considering the horible examples we Christians set. For one, divisions on doctrines and creeds and all this other bogus, opps pardon my french, bullshit. What the world see's in todays modern church is a bunch of divisions. Truth, Love is not divided, it is whole. It is man who divides, better still, satan working through man who divides. Lets all stop majoring in the minors. Lets stop trying to prove and talk about our faith and start loving people with God's love. In order for that to be accomplished each Christian must realize that their body, mind and spirit is not their own but God's. Doesn't God have a right to use what is his for his purposes? Guess what, if we all learn to simply say thy will be done in exchange our loving father will give us a life abundantley above and beyond what we could possibly ask or imagine. We need to get off our ego trips. You know, it's my life, my house, my church. Everybody out in this world has never accomplished one thing in their lives, not one of us can take credit for anything we have ever did in life. Us doing anything is an illusion. I can't even type this e-mail without a heartbeat. Jesus said, apart from me you can do NOTHING!!!!!! Wake up people. By the way I understand that we all must learn these things in our own time and our own way. The true spiritual path is very intimate and personal but I hope more believers come to this conclusion sooner than later. It will alleviate allot of suffering world wide. Sometimes the truth is like velvet and sometimes like sandpaper. This message has been brought to you by a fool for God in Truth & Love. Vinnie NY
One final question, how come you can get a billion people in this world who understand basic math to be in total agreement that 2+2=4 and yet you can't get 10 Christians to agree, on lets say the doctrine of Baptism? I will not venture to give my insight here, I will leave it up to the reader. The Truth Will Set You Free Vinnie NY
Just thought I'd drop a line and let you know that I am intrigued and studying your beliefs. I would say that I am at least a partial preterist (I'm still studying).
Rick
Im from the USA and have only recently been made aware of preterism. I am very excited about looking at eschatology from this vantage point and for the first time feel I have somewhat of a handle it. I have been intrigued at seeing how soteriology and eschatology are related through this doctrine. I am currently thinking about what Christ may have meant when He said "It is Finished" while hanging on the cross. Althought I still have questions I feel that ultimately this doctrine is correct. I very much appreciate your web site.
I have been studying this concept for several months - since I first came into contact with it. I guess I am being pulled, even sometimes against my will, toward accepting preterism. It just makes too much sense....
I was here! ;o) Looks interesting. I'll be back.
J. Nusz Colorado USA
Thanks for signing my messageboard! Now, I would like to return the favor, I learned alot from you :)
God creates animals and then man - Gen 1:25-26 God creates man and then the animals - Gen 2:18-19 ------------------------------------------------------- Arpachshad's son was Shelah - Gen 11:12 Arpachshad's grandson was Shelah - Luke 3:35-36 ------------------------------------------------------- Noah takes 7 pairs of each type of animal onto the ark - Gen 7:2-3 Noah takes one pair of animal onto the ark - Gen 6:19 ------------------------------------------------------- Terah's lifespan. Acts 7:4 states Terah was dead when Abraham left Haran. According to Gen 11:26, Terah was 70 when Abraham was born and Abraham was 75 when he left Haran. Therefore he lived 70 years (ie. his age when Abraham was born) plus 75 years (Abraham's age when he left Haran - Terah was dead at this time according to Acts 7:4) - 145 years in total. However, Gen 11:32 states he lived 205 years. ------------------------------------------------------- God promises Abraham the land of Canaan to live in - Gen 17:8 God did not allow Abraham to live in the promised land - Acts 7:5, Heb 11:8,9,13 ------------------------------------------------------- Jacob's offspring in Egypt totalled 70 - Gen 46:26-27, Ex 1:5 Jacob's offspring in Egypt totalled 75 - Acts 7:14 ------------------------------------------------------- Jacob was buried in a cave in Machpelah's field that was bought from Ephron the Hittite - Gen 50:13 Jacob was buried in a tomb at Shechem bought from the sons of Hamor - Acts 7:15-16 ------------------------------------------------------- The Hebrews dwelt in Egypt for 430 years - Ex 2:40 The Hebrews dwelt in Egypt for 400 years - Acts 7:6 ------------------------------------------------------- God's plague kills 23,000 - Num 25:9 God's plague kills 24,000 - 1 Cor 10:8 ------------------------------------------------------- The Hebrews' journeying - Mount Hor (where Aaron dies), Zalmonah, Punon - Num 33:37,38,41,42 The Hebrews' journeying - Beeroth Benejaakan, Moserah (where Aaron dies), Gudgodah, Jotbathah - Deut 10:6,7 ------------------------------------------------------- God forbids killing - Ex 20:13 God commands killing - Ex 32:27 ------------------------------------------------------- Solomon's reign. Acts 13:16-22 numbers the years from when the Hebrews left Egypt to David beginning his reign as 40 (Wilderness) + 450 (Judges) + 40 (Saul) = 530 years. According to 1 Chron 29:27, David reigned 40 years, so Solomon became king (when David died) 530 + 40 years (of David's reign) = 570 years. However, 1 Kings 6:1 states Solomon's 4th year of rule (when he began the Temple building) was 480 years after the Hebrews left Egypt, ie. he began his rule 476 years after the Hebrews left. In sum, there is a contradiction of 94 years. ------------------------------------------------------- Saul inquired of God, but God did not answer him - 1 Sam 28:6 Saul died because he did not seek guidance from God - 1 Chron 10:13,14 ------------------------------------------------------- Jesse had seven children - 1 Sam 16:10-13 Jesse had eight children - 1 Chron 2:13-15 ------------------------------------------------------- David slays Goliath - 1 Sam 17:4,7,50 Elhanan slays Goliath - 2 Sam 21:19 ------------------------------------------------------- Joram his son, Ahaziah his son, Joash his son, Amaziah his son, Azariah his son, Jotham his son - 1 Chron 3:11,12 Joram the father of Uzziah, and Uzziah the father of Jotham - Matt 1:8,9 ------------------------------------------------------- Asa removes the high places - 2 Chron 14:2 Asa did not remove the high places - 1 Kings 15:11-14 ------------------------------------------------------- Uzzah dies at the threshing-floor of Nacon - 2 Samuel 6:6 Uzzah dies at the threshing-floor of Chidon - 1 Chron 13:9 ------------------------------------------------------- David takes 1700 horsemen - 2 Sam 8:4 David takes 7000 horsemen - 1 Chron 18:4 ------------------------------------------------------- David destroys 700 chariots - 2 Sam 10:18 David destroys 7000 chariots - 1 Chron 19:18 ------------------------------------------------------- Satan incites David to number the people - 1 Chron 21:1 God incites David to number the people - 2 Sam 24:1 ------------------------------------------------------- Joab's numbering of the army. 1,100,00 soldiers in Israel; 470,000 soldiers in Judah - 1 Chron 21:5 Joab's numbering of the army. 800,000 soldiers in Israel; 500,000 in Judah - 2 Sam 24:9 ------------------------------------------------------- David buys the land for the altar from Ornan for 600 shekels of gold - 1 Chron 21:24-25 David buys the land for the altar from Araunah for 50 shekels - 2 Sam 24:24 ------------------------------------------------------- Solomon had 4,000 stalls and 12,000 horsemen - 2 Chron 9:25 Solomon had 40,000 stalls and 12,000 horsemen - 1 Kings 4:26 ------------------------------------------------------- The Temple pillars were 18 cubits - 1 Kings 7:15 The Temple pillars were 35 cubits - 2 Chron 3:15 ------------------------------------------------------- The molten sea held 2000 baths - 1 Kings 7:23,26 The molten sea held 3000 baths - 2 Chron 4:2,5 ------------------------------------------------------- The importance of wisdom - Proverbs 4:7 The unimportance of wisdom - 1 Cor 1:19 ------------------------------------------------------- The joy of wisdom - Proverbs 3:13-15 The misery of wisdom - Ecc 1:18 ------------------------------------------------------- How the righteous suffer like the wicked - Ecc 9:2, Isaiah 57:1 How the righteous flourish - Psalm 92:12-13 ------------------------------------------------------- No ills befall the righteous - Proverbs 12:21 How the righteous suffer - Job 12:4,6, Hebrews 11:35-37 ------------------------------------------------------- The wicked will die prematurely and will suffer - Psalm 55:23, Proverbs 10:27, Job 18:5,11,18,19 The wicked lifespan is long and they enjoy life - Psalm 73:3-5,12, Job 21:7-9 ------------------------------------------------------- Man is to be holy - Leviticus 11:44, 19:2, 20:7 Only God is holy - Revelation 15:4 ------------------------------------------------------- Drinking alcohol is acceptable - Deuteronomy 14:26, John 2:7-11, 1 Timothy 5:23 Drinking alcohol is not acceptable - Proverbs 20:1, 23:31-34, Hosea 20:1 -------------------------------------------------------
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I am new to this view of eschatology. I have studied it for a few weeks and believe it to be true, though I don't fully understand some of the aspects such as the Resurrection of the Body. Could you list some books or articles that would further my study upon this point, other than the ones at this site? It will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
I am totally blown away. This makes so much sense. It has also given me a peace in my spirit. My end times mania and fear has just vanished. Now I have questions like, did the 1000 year reign of Christ get fulfilled and was satan let loose for alittle while already or is that to come?
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Thank you so much for all the work put into this web site. I have been looking for info on the preterist point of view. This is wonderful to find all this info. Thank you again. Geary L Southwick PCM
I WAS ONCE A PREMILLENNIAL DISPENSATIONALIST- BUT IAM SLOWLY COMING AROUND TO BEING A FULL PRETERIST- ALMOST THERE. THERE IS JUST ONE QUESTION- IF I COULD GET A GOOD ANSWER- SOLID ANSWER- IS WHAT MIGHT MAKE ME BECOME A FULL PRETERIST. QUESTION: WHY IS IT THAT ALL FULL PRETERISTS WANT YOU TO HAVE YOUR EYES ON THE KINGDOM & NOT ON THIS OLD WORLD. IAM 52 YEARS OF AGE & THIS OLD WORLD IS GETTING WORSE- NOBODY CAN DENY THAT. SO WHAT IS OUR HOPE OF GETTING OUT OF HERE WITHOUT DYING. wHAT IS THE CONDITION OF AMERICA IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
Mike Schomberger: I am most fascinated by your arguments. I am only just begining to get into your materials but I have mutually argeed that this end of the century hysteria is a misinterpretation of the New Testament and that a lot of people are going to be surprised 20 years from now when the earth and America are still rolling along.
Hi Todd, Cameron and Kaylyn are doing great so is Justin and Stefanie. This winter should be able to visit your cite more often. I am using the computer at the public library, maybe after Jan 1st I'll get my own. Hope your family is doing well. Hope to talk to you soon. Ron I'm sure says "HI". Sincerely yours, Rory
Interesting site!
I am greatful for such an informative site. I live in Australia and only know of about 3 other F.P. It would be great if you could let me know if any F.P(other than the 3 + me)actually exist in Australia. I live in the Blue Mountains which are about 120 km (75miles) west of Sydney. I am also wondering if their are any F.P who believe in annihilation or have looked into it, if so please let me know. I am not sure where I stand on this issue yet, but I am prepared to reject the traditional views concerning Hell if they are not the truth. Full Preterism makes so much more sense of the bible and not just eschatology, once you come to see the truth of F.P, so many areas of God's word come alive and you finally begin to see the tremendous pattern and links in the scriptures, also a better understanding of the O.T is gained & it's relation to the N.T. Once again thank's for a great site and keep up the good work.
Regards, Michael 03/September/1999
The recognition of the power and simple honesty of realized eschatology is one means of convincing unbelievers that God is and that He is everything He says He is - slow to anger, gracious, loving, kind, forgiving - but absolutely true to His words- even when it means destroying His own people after many, many warnings.
Gandhi said that the teachings of Christ almost persuaded him to become a Christian, but Christians persuaded him otherwise. This is an unfortunately true indictment. When we truly unite under the banner of the victorious Christ, as did the early church, believing as they did, living as they did, there will be no more Gandhis.
John
I have just recently been reading on what preterism is. I find it very interesting and something i want to continue to learn about. My heart is sad though that I can't find one other person in my area that believes this way, or knows a church that teaches this view. I feel I can't sit in a church that does not preach the truth. Nancy
YOU FOOLS !!!!!!!!!!!! HOW ON THIS EARTH DO YOU EXPLAIN THE FOLLOWING Dan 12:9-11 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.(KJV)
WAKE_UP!
YOU FOOLS !!!!!!!!!!!!
HOW ON THIS EARTH DO YOU EXPLAIN THE FOLLOWING
Dan 12: 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, and made white,and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.(KJV)
WHAT IS A YEAR IN PROPHECY ? WHAT IS A DAY IN PROPHECY ?
2 Pet 3 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. (KJV)
Matt 24 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. (KJV)
DON'T TEACH HERESY
I CHALLENGE YOU TO ANSWER? WHERE WERE YOU WHEN GOD SENT HIS WORD TO PROCLAIM THE PROPHETIC MESSAGE OF "THE KINGDOM OF GOD"
Wake_UP!
APOCALYPTIC INTERPRETATION
Since the time of the great Reformation, there have been no less than SIX PROMINENT THEORIES of interpretation, each claiming for itself the palm of merit, and all demanding the unanimous suffrage of the Christian Church. They are subjoined in the following order:-
I. THE ANTI-PROTESTANT FUTURIST THEORY. The originator of this theory was a Spanish Jesuit priest, Ribera by name, who, A.D. 1585, published a Commentary on the Revelation, in which he laboured to turn aside the Protestant application of the Apocalyptic prophecies and symbols from the Church of Rome. The opinion had matured into settled conviction, in the minds of many, that the Great Apostasy, spoken of in the Scriptures, was Papal; and that the "Little Horn" of Daniel, the "Antichrist" of John, the "Man of Sin" mentioned by Paul, and the Apocalyptic "Beast," were all identical. Against this view Ribera originated the Futurist theory. It is so called, because it passes by the Papacy, overleaps almost the whole immense interval of time between the date of the Apocalypse and the distant future, and holds that the events symbolised in the Apocalypse refer to the immediate antecedents or accompaniments of Christ's second coming. It argues a parallelism between the events of the Seven Seals and the successive signs of Christ's coming, as specified in his prophecy on Mount Olivet. Antichrist is not regarded as the Papacy, but avowed infidelity.
II. THE ANTI-PROTESTANT PRATERITE THEORY. This was originated by a Spanish Jesuit also, Alcasar of Seville, who, A.D. 1615, published a work having in view the same end as Ribera, viz., to set aside the Protestant application of the Apocalyptic prophecies and symbols. Ribera endeavored to throw everything forward into the future. Alcasar endeavoured to throw every thing backward into the past. He stops short in the course of history, and makes all the Apocalyptic symbols to have been fulfilled within the first five six centuries. The Germanic Neronic Form; so called because it dates the Apocalypse (an essential point for interpreters) about the end of Nero's reign, A.D. 67 and because it is thus regarded by the critical, rationalistic school of German expositors, and by Professor Stuart in America. According to this view, the Apocalypse can only refer to the overthrow of Judaism and Heathenism, and the triumph of Christianity, but not to the Papacy. The early date, viz., A.D. 67, makes room for supposing a reference to the destruction of Jerusalem, A.D. 70; and the six centuries, for the overthrow of Heathenism, and the prevalence of Christianity, but not for the demolition of the Roman Catholic Church! The Papal Domitianic Form; so called because it fixes the date of the Apocalypse about the end of Domitian's reign, A.D. 96; and in this form prevails with the Papacy. Of course, this form of the theory excludes application of the symbols of the Apocalypse to the destruction of Jerusalem, which occurred twenty-five years previous to this date, inasmuch as the events recorded were to come into being after the time John wrote.-(Rev. 4:1). The fall of Judaism and the doom of the Roman Catholic Church are not referred to at all, but only the overthrow of Heathenism and the triumph of Christianity. Such is the loose and wholesale mode of generalising in these two forms of Praeterism (the latter of which has yet some truth), that any upstart has a precedent before him for applying the Apocalyptic symbols to the destruction of any enemy he please.
III. THE MODIFIED FUTURIST THEORY. This theory resulted from a conviction in the minds of the Futurists themselves that great violence had been done to the Apocalypse, by completely closing its lips upon the subject of the Papacy, and by causing it to pass over in silence the stirring events of more than a thousand years. Such a scheme was too dashing and bold to escape merciless criticism and ridicule. It failed to secure the respect and confidence of its own supporters. Certain Futurists have endeavoured to modify it; in other words, to Protestantise Futurism, and conciliate the friendship of the historical interpreters. The chief points of supposed improvement are two: 1. With reference to the violent plunge into the distant future; and 2. With reference to the anti-Protestantism. Thus, the white horse and rider of the first seal represent the triumphant progress of Christ and his gospel until now: (!) we are near (!) the time of the end, when the Papacy will become (!) the Apocalyptic Beast, and Rome the Apocalyptic Babylon, but not Antichrist; (!) and soon Antichrist will appear, when the remaining seals will receive their fulfillment, and then the grand consummation will take place.
IV. THE TYPICO-SPIRITUAL THEORY. We coin this name for want of a better designation, or rather because the advocates of it have not given a satisfactory one themselves. It holds that prophecy is not an anticipation of history, but deals alone with the idea of good and evil. A particular man, city, or nation, may be taken as the representative or type of such idea, to be fulfilled, as intimated, in a lofty, spiritual, but not low, historical sense. The details of literal history are not ample enough to satisfy the fore announced demands of prophecy. Thus, Rome Papal answers only partly to the Apocalyptic Babylon; and hence, as ancient Babylon was only partly the subject of anti-Babylonic prophecies, so Rome Papal is only partly the subject of anti-Papal prophecies in the Revelation. There can only be an imperfect historical fulfillment in any case; and we must wait for a realization, not literally, but spiritually, of the grand idea, viz., the downfall of the true Babylon, which is the world (!) as opposed to the church. The influence of German philosophy, in the fabrication of this theory, is evident.
V. THE PARALLEL SEPTENARY THEORY. This is one of the two principle Protestant theories which have divided the opinions of orthodox interpreters. It argues against considering the Apocalypse as a progressive whole evolving its events in continuous succession. Instead of regarding the seven trumpets as the development of the seventh seal, just as the seven vials appear to be of the seventh trumpet, it considers them as parallel chronologically, and supplementary to each other, each septenary running from John's time to the consummation. It is eminently a church scheme, the church itself being the subject of the prophetic figurations, in its sevenfold phase, from the beginning to the end. This theory was brought into repute by Pareus and Vitringa shortly after the Reformation.
VI. THE CONTINUOUS HISTORICAL PROTESTANT THEORY. This was the principle theory which attracted the attention of the most orthodox and enlightened expositors until the earliest part of this century. It looks upon prophecy as an actual anticipation of veritable history. It regards each seal as successor to the preceding, in chronological order; each trumpet and each vial in the same way; and, objecting to the previous theory, maintains that the septenary of trumpets are subsequent to the septenary of seals, and the septenary of vials subsequent to the septenary of trumpets. The exclusive church scheme is discarded, and the Apocalypse is viewed as setting forth, in regular progression and detail, the chief secular and ecclesiastical events of the existing dispensation. An anti-Papal solution is given to the symbols and predictions respecting the "Beast." It was the theory of the Waldenses, Wickliffites, and Hussites; and the great body of the Reformers in the 16th century-German, Swiss, French, English, generally received it. It has been the view of the vast majority of Scottish presbyterians. It was also the view of many prominent American divines, from Edwards to the 19th century Princeton theologians-the Alexanders, the Hodges, Miller, etc. It is preeminently the theory of the Reformation, and therefore has been violently opposed by Roman Catholics, prelatists, rationalising expositors and other foes of reformational principles.-L'Avenir
I have read much of the material in this site, and have printed it all to read in it's entirety. So far the preterist view makes the most sense to me, soley because it seems to be based on the writings of the bible without interpretation. This seems the only logical way to read the bible, because why would God have created the most valuable writings in history to have to be interpreted. I strongly disagree with your 'this guestbook is for everybody's edification - any posts that are uncharitable...will be removed'. I believe in freedom of speech, and I also believe that if you are right, then it should be self-evident, and nothing anyone else could say would belittle that, don't you have that much confidence in your own 'theories', so far I do. - Milwaukee, WI USA
[TD- bad language is all i really meant, i guess.. ]
Hi Todd,
Just got rained out. Thought I'd check out your site. I only have a half hour so I'd better get back to it. Thought I'd say hi. This winter I hope to do more of this. I'm planning on 10:30 - 12:00 at night, something like that. See ya!
Oh I forgot,
Sincerely yours, Rory
if there is anyone looking for someone to ask questions of in trying to determine if preterism is the truth of scripture, please feel free to email any question on the subject and i will try to answer your question(s).
sincerely
jim
yes,i read all of the eschatology,i study it.i loved allof gods word.i study on 1=thessa=2thessalonias, on hebrew,ephesians,james,revelations.please,explain,on what is REFORMED CH?...thankyou,god bless all,in jesus name,amen.i firmly believe jesus is soon,too.
I have some thoughts that have been with me lately & I wonder if any one would like to reply? As a F.P I believe that we are fully in Gods kingdom now, and I know that futurists say that things will be much better when we get to heaven. My thoughts are basically these; do they have a valid point? Christians alive now (that is in the physical) suffer from many & varied illnesses, diseases & other problems including cancer, mental illness etc. These conditions can make it very difficult to study Gods word & enjoy felowship with other christians. Will it be like this when we die physically , & if not, wouldn't our condition when dead be better than it is now (for those suffering in the situations I mentioned )? Would our death & subsequent freedom from these conditions allow us a closer communion with God? If any body has any answers or idea's on this please e-mail me at: humans@pnc.com.au
Regards, Michael in Australia. 17/09/1999.
I wanted you to know I changed to a new screen name.
OLD = melsct009 @ aol.com
NEW = sommercj @ aol.com
Here is a visit from the USA. I haven't really been anywhere on the site yet, but the cover looks nice.
Craig S. MacMillan
Hi Todd,
I am checking out your cite again tonight. So much to see so little time tonight. Hope to spend lot's and lot's of time here when the snow flies. Ron says "hi", you know the scottish sage. (I Love you, Ron. Glad you have reached your goal! 1/19/02)
Now this site is in my "favorites"! A wonderful, uplifting,spiritual reference for all people!
Wonderful site. I have been looking for like minded Christians for years. I fellowship in a Brethren Assembly, which is dispensationalist in thinking. I love the Brethren and do not desire to part company with them, so I l stay quiet about my beliefs. I enjoy breaking bread on a weekly basis. However, sometimes I get into trouble when the subject of Revelations or another prophecy arises. Where can I find like minded people in the Vancouver area of Canada? John
I have been studying preterism for about a year now and I have some questions, but I am sure this is true. I was trying to disprove it and show my poor "deceived" friend his error, but Jesus' words Himself convinced me that it was I who was in error - ("There are some standing here who will not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming..." and to Peter about John, "If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you?) I kept asking God to show me something that proved He was yet to come, but He held my hand and sustained me through the initial shock and dissapointment. But now I am more joyful and hopeful than ever! Once you have this truth, the rest of Scripture means so much more. I have so much appreciation and understanding for the new and better covenant. It's hard when the majority disagrees with you but for those of us who believe this way, we have to remember, it is God who "turned the light on" for us in this area and he will do it for each of his children, one at a time. He is at work now! We are pioneers on the verge of a prophetic reformation! My heart burns within me and I want to tell everyone. But I am careful to let love rule so I don't sound like a noisy bell! In God's perfect time the earth will be FILLED with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord!
You have the best christian web site I've seen. Your resources are excellent! GOD BLESS YOU! MIke,
Hello Todd, I just copied off your Introduction to Preterism. I don't have time to read it now, limited to half hour today. I will E-mail you when I learn how, so for now this is the only way I know how to contact you. Stefanie, Justin, Kaylyn and Cameron are doing great. Ron says "hi".
I would like to announce the glorious passing of our dear Brother Carl E. Rexroth. He passed into God's Kingdom on monday Sept. 27, at 3:10 P.M. Submited by Benjamin
Read your introduction to preterism. Very good. on page 8 you could expand a little on the jews expecting a physical kingdom instead of a spiritual one. Ron says "hi"
Thank you for the informative site. I'm not sure that I fully accept the preterist view yet, but it surely brings alot of scripture into light, specifically Daniel 11 & 12. What I really am having a hard time with is the placement of the millennium in the A.D. 30 to A.D. 70 span. It would seem to me that the same logic that puts the rest of Revelation in the very near future for the original reader (terms like 'near' and 'soon') would put the end of the millennium into the far distant future ('a thousand years'). I also noticed that John never actually sees the millennium end, but rather simply states a fact about what will occur when it does (Rev 20:7). I would think that if John saw the destruction of the city and the temple, he would surely ave seen the millennium end, no? It seems to me that the millennium is te current Christian Age. If anyone as any insite on this topic, I would much appreciate anything you have.
Thanks again.
In His Grace, Tom
I find this site very thought provoking and enlightening in many ways. Your articles on the rapture teaching have been very helpful to me. I live with some who hold on to this teaching and hope to use the material in this site to show them especially the origin of this teaching. thanks aplenty. I just want to find out how you people are preparing for the Lord's second coming. Cheers; Moagi, in Gaborone, Botswana
HELLO FROM PUERTO RICO. PRETERISM IS CAUSING GREAT WAVES IN THE ISLAND BY THE PREACHING OF PASTOR FONT OF FUENTE DE AGUA VIVA. LESTER R. GONZALEZ,PONCE,P.R.
Terric website In 1992 I discovered two books by Ken Gentry, Jr., "The Beast of Revelation" and "Dating the Book of Revelation" Both changed me. I was a late date a-mil [Rev.] but was convinced in favor of an early date to Rev. [64-68ad]. I am a partial preterist now. What an exciting journey! Still studying and learning at 69 yrs. Do we ever stop learning the truth? I think not!
Again, thanks for an interesting website.
Elayne emgm@ctos.com
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